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On 25/03/2018 05:21, HB wrote:
"Patrick" wrote in message news On 23/03/2018 06:30, HB wrote: I have that one also. Which of the 6 choices handles ISO files? The first one ("Write image file to disc". OK, so an image file is an ISO. When I see the word image I think of pictues, not some kind of computer code. BTW, Have you heard of a free Program called "Rufus"? Said program would allow you to Write an image file (ISO, IMG etc., file) to a blank USB-thumbdrive. I already downloaded several ISO burners. I have no blank thumbdrives. All are full of saved "stuff." I would rather use the large amount of DVDs and CDs we have. So why not Move what you have on your thumbdrive to a new folder on your good Computers Desktop? |
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On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 00:21:10 -0400, "HB" wrote:
"Patrick" wrote in message news On 23/03/2018 06:30, HB wrote: I have that one also. Which of the 6 choices handles ISO files? The first one ("Write image file to disc". OK, so an image file is an ISO. When I see the word image I think of pictues, not some kind of computer code. I already downloaded several ISO burners. I have no blank thumbdrives. All are full of saved "stuff." I would rather use the large amount of DVDs and CDs we have. Are these blank CDs and DVDs ? |
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In message , Patrick
writes: On 25/03/2018 06:18, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , HB writes: [] How many times does MS allow us to use the "once only" copy of the OS? As many times as you like/need - as long as they're always on the _same computer_. The "once only" is what Microsoft says about _making_ those discs: It says something like "you will only have one chance to make these discs". (_Why_ it does that limit, I don't know, since they can only be used on that PC.) Oops, I,ve just told HB that said would be a restriction (if at all) of the OEM rather than MS. Still not to relevant at the moment. What I've said above is just _my_ understanding of the situation - though I'm fairly sure the "once only" _does_ apply to the number of times a new computer offers to _make_ the discs. It was always my _understanding_ that those discs were in some way tied to the computer they were made on (presumably involving a hash of various hardware parameters, and allowing for a _certain amount_ of change to enable upgrade and/or repair), but I can't cite a source for that impression. Does anyone know whether a system restored from such disc(s) requires activation? Just curious; it's not going to be relevant to HB's situation, as even if he could get the system running from the old disc, the opportunity to make a rescue disc is probably long gone. In the unlikely event he could get the system running from the old disc, I'd say the first thing to do would be make an image onto his Seagate external drive (which I would do with Macrium, but any means including W7's built-in one would do). -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Never be led astray onto the path of virtue. |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Patrick writes: On 25/03/2018 06:18, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , HB writes: [] How many times does MS allow us to use the "once only" copy of the OS? As many times as you like/need - as long as they're always on the _same computer_. The "once only" is what Microsoft says about _making_ those discs: It says something like "you will only have one chance to make these discs". (_Why_ it does that limit, I don't know, since they can only be used on that PC.) Oops, I,ve just told HB that said would be a restriction (if at all) of the OEM rather than MS. Still not to relevant at the moment. What I've said above is just _my_ understanding of the situation - though I'm fairly sure the "once only" _does_ apply to the number of times a new computer offers to _make_ the discs. It was always my _understanding_ that those discs were in some way tied to the computer they were made on (presumably involving a hash of various hardware parameters, and allowing for a _certain amount_ of change to enable upgrade and/or repair), but I can't cite a source for that impression. Does anyone know whether a system restored from such disc(s) requires activation? Just curious; it's not going to be relevant to HB's situation, as even if he could get the system running from the old disc, the opportunity to make a rescue disc is probably long gone. In the unlikely event he could get the system running from the old disc, I'd say the first thing to do would be make an image onto his Seagate external drive (which I would do with Macrium, but any means including W7's built-in one would do). OEM OSes auto-activate. On Windows 7, an OEM copy of Windows 7 checks the information in the SLIC table the BIOS passes to it. On Win8 or Win10 OEM machines, an actual unique key is stored in the BIOS as the ACPI MSDM table, and the OS sees this during startup or something. ******* Where actual work is required, is if a user grabs a Win7 Retail DVD and installs on an OEM (Dell,Acer,HP) laptop. Then, the phone prompt appears on thescreen, and you participate in an activation process. I've done one of these on my laptop, using xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx off the COA sticker. You send a 56 digit number to Microsoft over your touch tone phone, and Microsoft reads back a 56 digit code that you type into the laptop. Is the method annoying ? Oh, yeah. Paul |
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[HB: skip to paragraph near end starting "Back to HB", other than for
interest.] In message , Paul writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Patrick writes: On 25/03/2018 06:18, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , HB writes: [] How many times does MS allow us to use the "once only" copy of the OS? As many times as you like/need - as long as they're always on the _same computer_. The "once only" is what Microsoft says about _making_ those discs: It says something like "you will only have one chance to make these discs". (_Why_ it does that limit, I don't know, since they can only be used on that PC.) Oops, I,ve just told HB that said would be a restriction (if at all) of the OEM rather than MS. Still not to relevant at the moment. What I've said above is just _my_ understanding of the situation - though I'm fairly sure the "once only" _does_ apply to the number of times a new computer offers to _make_ the discs. It was always my _understanding_ that those discs were in some way tied to the computer they were made on (presumably involving a hash of various hardware parameters, and allowing for a _certain amount_ of change to enable upgrade and/or repair), but I can't cite a source for that impression. Does anyone know whether a system restored from such disc(s) requires activation? Just curious; it's not going to be relevant to HB's situation, as even if he could get the system running from the old disc, the opportunity to make a rescue disc is probably long gone. In the unlikely event he could get the system running from the old disc, I'd say the first thing to do would be make an image onto his Seagate external drive (which I would do with Macrium, but any means including W7's built-in one would do). OEM OSes auto-activate. On Windows 7, an OEM copy of Windows 7 checks the information in the SLIC table the BIOS passes to it. On Win8 or Win10 OEM machines, an actual unique key is stored in the BIOS as the ACPI MSDM table, and the OS sees this during startup or something. ******* Where actual work is required, is if a user grabs a Win7 Retail DVD and installs on an OEM (Dell,Acer,HP) laptop. Then, the phone prompt appears on thescreen, and you participate in an activation process. I've done one of these on my laptop, using xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx off the COA sticker. You send a 56 digit number to Microsoft over your touch tone phone, and Microsoft reads back a 56 digit code that you type into the laptop. Is the method annoying ? Oh, yeah. Paul Not relevant to HB, but I was wondering about the discs that a new OEM (pre-installed) machine prompts you to make the first few times you start Windows after getting the machine home and turning it on. Are these purely an OEM install disc (in which case they'd be one disc if a DVD), or are they something different to everything else we've discussed (Retail install, OEM install, "Rescue")? I'd assumed they were specific to the machine they were made on, or at least the make and model, and would restore it to its original condition (probably including the junkware the manufacturer installs). Back to HB: the above is useful to know - that if he gets hold of a retail disc he'll still be able to install and activate it using the code from his sticker, but will have to go through 'phone activation. If he gets the one Patrick's post of 2018-3-25 10*:43:0 is providing, will he be able to use that _without_ having to go through activation? (If he does, and all goes well, will it then nag him to make disc[s]?) If he installs from either of these (Retail or OEM-from-Patrick), I presume the Toshiba special recovery (hold down 0 [zero] while powering) won't work, though that's no great loss as it relies on the drive not being dead and we're going to encourage him to image, aren't we. (*hour may vary with timezone) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Never be led astray onto the path of virtue. |
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On 03/25/2018 10:43 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[HB: skip to paragraph near end starting "Back to HB", other than for interest.] In message , Paul writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Patrick writes: On 25/03/2018 06:18, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , HB writes: [] How many times does MS allow us to use the "once only" copy of the OS? Â*As many times as you like/need - as long as they're always on the _sameÂ* computer_. The "once only" is what Microsoft says about _making_ thoseÂ* discs: It says something like "you will only have oneÂ* chance to makeÂ* these discs". (_Why_ it does that limit, I don'tÂ* know, since they canÂ* only be used on that PC.) Oops, I,ve just told HB that said would be a restriction (if at all) of the OEM rather than MS. Still not to relevant at the moment. Â*What I've said above is just _my_ understanding of the situation - though I'm fairly sure the "once only" _does_ apply to the number of times a new computer offers to _make_ the discs. It was always my _understanding_ that those discs were in some way tied to the computer they were made on (presumably involving a hash of various hardware parameters, and allowing for a _certain amount_ of change to enable upgrade and/or repair), but I can't cite a source for that impression. Â*Does anyone know whether a system restored from such disc(s) requiresÂ* activation? Just curious; it's not going to be relevant to HB'sÂ* situation, as even if he could get the system running from the old disc,Â* the opportunity to make a rescue disc is probably long gone. In theÂ* unlikely event he could get the system running from the old disc, I'dÂ* say the first thing to do would be make an image onto his SeagateÂ* external drive (which I would do with Macrium, but any means includingÂ* W7's built-in one would do). OEM OSes auto-activate. On Windows 7, an OEM copy of Windows 7 checks the information in the SLIC table the BIOS passes to it. On Win8 or Win10 OEM machines, an actual unique key is stored in the BIOS as the ACPI MSDM table, and the OS sees this during startup or something. ******* Where actual work is required, is if a user grabs a Win7 Retail DVD and installs on an OEM (Dell,Acer,HP) laptop. Then, the phone prompt appears on thescreen, and you participate in an activation process. I've done one of these on my laptop, using xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx off the COA sticker. You send a 56 digit number to Microsoft over your touch tone phone, and Microsoft reads back a 56 digit code that you type into the laptop. Is the method annoying ? Oh, yeah. Â* Paul Not relevant to HB, but I was wondering about the discs that a new OEM (pre-installed) machine prompts you to make the first few times you start Windows after getting the machine home and turning it on. Are these purely an OEM install disc (in which case they'd be one disc if a DVD), or are they something different to everything else we've discussed (Retail install, OEM install, "Rescue")? I'd assumed they were specific to the machine they were made on, or at least the make and model, and would restore it to its original condition (probably including the junkware the manufacturer installs). Back to HB: the above is useful to know - that if he gets hold of a retail disc he'll still be able to install and activate it using the code from his sticker, but will have to go through 'phone activation. If he gets the one Patrick's post of 2018-3-25 10*:43:0 is providing, will he be able to use that _without_ having to go through activation? (If he does, and all goes well, will it then nag him to make disc[s]?) If he installs from either of these (Retail or OEM-from-Patrick), I presume the Toshiba special recovery (hold down 0 [zero] while powering) won't work, though that's no great loss as it relies on the drive not being dead and we're going to encourage him to image, aren't we. (*hour may vary with timezone) Solution to HB problem. Concrete slab, 9 pound hammer,(John Henry). !!! *BAM* !!! :-) Rene |
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On 03/25/2018 10:51 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 03/25/2018 10:43 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: [HB: skip to paragraph near end starting "Back to HB", other than for interest.] In message , Paul writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Patrick writes: On 25/03/2018 06:18, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , HB writes: [] How many times does MS allow us to use the "once only" copy of the OS? Â*As many times as you like/need - as long as they're always on the _sameÂ* computer_. The "once only" is what Microsoft says about _making_ thoseÂ* discs: It says something like "you will only have oneÂ* chance to makeÂ* these discs". (_Why_ it does that limit, I don'tÂ* know, since they canÂ* only be used on that PC.) Oops, I,ve just told HB that said would be a restriction (if at all) of the OEM rather than MS. Still not to relevant at the moment. Â*What I've said above is just _my_ understanding of the situation - though I'm fairly sure the "once only" _does_ apply to the number of times a new computer offers to _make_ the discs. It was always my _understanding_ that those discs were in some way tied to the computer they were made on (presumably involving a hash of various hardware parameters, and allowing for a _certain amount_ of change to enable upgrade and/or repair), but I can't cite a source for that impression. Â*Does anyone know whether a system restored from such disc(s) requiresÂ* activation? Just curious; it's not going to be relevant to HB'sÂ* situation, as even if he could get the system running from the old disc,Â* the opportunity to make a rescue disc is probably long gone. In theÂ* unlikely event he could get the system running from the old disc, I'dÂ* say the first thing to do would be make an image onto his SeagateÂ* external drive (which I would do with Macrium, but any means includingÂ* W7's built-in one would do). OEM OSes auto-activate. On Windows 7, an OEM copy of Windows 7 checks the information in the SLIC table the BIOS passes to it. On Win8 or Win10 OEM machines, an actual unique key is stored in the BIOS as the ACPI MSDM table, and the OS sees this during startup or something. ******* Where actual work is required, is if a user grabs a Win7 Retail DVD and installs on an OEM (Dell,Acer,HP) laptop. Then, the phone prompt appears on thescreen, and you participate in an activation process. I've done one of these on my laptop, using xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx off the COA sticker. You send a 56 digit number to Microsoft over your touch tone phone, and Microsoft reads back a 56 digit code that you type into the laptop. Is the method annoying ? Oh, yeah. Â* Paul Not relevant to HB, but I was wondering about the discs that a new OEM (pre-installed) machine prompts you to make the first few times you start Windows after getting the machine home and turning it on. Are these purely an OEM install disc (in which case they'd be one disc if a DVD), or are they something different to everything else we've discussed (Retail install, OEM install, "Rescue")? I'd assumed they were specific to the machine they were made on, or at least the make and model, and would restore it to its original condition (probably including the junkware the manufacturer installs). Back to HB: the above is useful to know - that if he gets hold of a retail disc he'll still be able to install and activate it using the code from his sticker, but will have to go through 'phone activation. If he gets the one Patrick's post of 2018-3-25 10*:43:0 is providing, will he be able to use that _without_ having to go through activation? (If he does, and all goes well, will it then nag him to make disc[s]?) If he installs from either of these (Retail or OEM-from-Patrick), I presume the Toshiba special recovery (hold down 0 [zero] while powering) won't work, though that's no great loss as it relies on the drive not being dead and we're going to encourage him to image, aren't we. (*hour may vary with timezone) Solution to HB problem. Â*Concrete slab, 9 pound hammer,(John Henry).Â* !!! *BAM* !!!Â* :-) Rene Forgot very important part, Bad Drive. Rene |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[HB: skip to paragraph near end starting "Back to HB", other than for interest.] In message , Paul writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Patrick writes: On 25/03/2018 06:18, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , HB writes: [] How many times does MS allow us to use the "once only" copy of the OS? As many times as you like/need - as long as they're always on the _same computer_. The "once only" is what Microsoft says about _making_ those discs: It says something like "you will only have one chance to make these discs". (_Why_ it does that limit, I don't know, since they can only be used on that PC.) Oops, I,ve just told HB that said would be a restriction (if at all) of the OEM rather than MS. Still not to relevant at the moment. What I've said above is just _my_ understanding of the situation - though I'm fairly sure the "once only" _does_ apply to the number of times a new computer offers to _make_ the discs. It was always my _understanding_ that those discs were in some way tied to the computer they were made on (presumably involving a hash of various hardware parameters, and allowing for a _certain amount_ of change to enable upgrade and/or repair), but I can't cite a source for that impression. Does anyone know whether a system restored from such disc(s) requires activation? Just curious; it's not going to be relevant to HB's situation, as even if he could get the system running from the old disc, the opportunity to make a rescue disc is probably long gone. In the unlikely event he could get the system running from the old disc, I'd say the first thing to do would be make an image onto his Seagate external drive (which I would do with Macrium, but any means including W7's built-in one would do). OEM OSes auto-activate. On Windows 7, an OEM copy of Windows 7 checks the information in the SLIC table the BIOS passes to it. On Win8 or Win10 OEM machines, an actual unique key is stored in the BIOS as the ACPI MSDM table, and the OS sees this during startup or something. ******* Where actual work is required, is if a user grabs a Win7 Retail DVD and installs on an OEM (Dell,Acer,HP) laptop. Then, the phone prompt appears on thescreen, and you participate in an activation process. I've done one of these on my laptop, using xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx off the COA sticker. You send a 56 digit number to Microsoft over your touch tone phone, and Microsoft reads back a 56 digit code that you type into the laptop. Is the method annoying ? Oh, yeah. Paul Not relevant to HB, but I was wondering about the discs that a new OEM (pre-installed) machine prompts you to make the first few times you start Windows after getting the machine home and turning it on. Are these purely an OEM install disc (in which case they'd be one disc if a DVD), or are they something different to everything else we've discussed (Retail install, OEM install, "Rescue")? I'd assumed they were specific to the machine they were made on, or at least the make and model, and would restore it to its original condition (probably including the junkware the manufacturer installs). At the very least, the recovery partition on the hard drive, puts back the factory setup. In addition, when you are prompted by the laptop to make a set of DVDs based on the recovery partition, those DVDs also return the laptop to factory state. The whole process should be automated. The factory state includes copies of Zynga Games and NTI Backup, stuff Microsoft didn't put there. The factory state means all the OEM "added cruft" will be on C: , just like from the factory. Back to HB: the above is useful to know - that if he gets hold of a retail disc he'll still be able to install and activate it using the code from his sticker, but will have to go through 'phone activation. If he gets the one Patrick's post of 2018-3-25 10*:43:0 is providing, will he be able to use that _without_ having to go through activation? (If he does, and all goes well, will it then nag him to make disc[s]?) If he installs from either of these (Retail or OEM-from-Patrick), I presume the Toshiba special recovery (hold down 0 [zero] while powering) won't work, though that's no great loss as it relies on the drive not being dead and we're going to encourage him to image, aren't we. (*hour may vary with timezone) There is no sign the hard drive is healthy enough to do a Factory Restore. Here is a potential list of the assets a new laptop owner receives. Acer prompt - DVD \ Three DVD set that returns laptop with a brand DVD \___ new empty hard drive, to factory state. Activated, DVD / and all drivers are installed already. CD --- 500MB CD containing drivers. These drivers are installed *after* a user does an emergency Retail DVD installation. This saves time when doing a Retail install. You combine this CD, with your Microsoft Win7 download DVD, if wanting to install the Retail version in an emergency. Microsoft prompt - CD --- 300MB CD for emergency boot purposes. Can be used to restore a Windows 7 Backup, to a brand new hard drive. This boot disc can also be used to get to a Command Prompt and do CHKDSK on a partition needing to be checked. That's a total of five optical discs, that a brand new laptop will prompt a new laptop owner to burn, within the first two days of ownership. The laptop should continue to prompt you, to make the materials. Failure to burn the discs means, if the hard drive dies, the user has nothing. The "Acer Prompt" in the above, makes *one* copy of the media set for you. If you want assurance of having the info later, save copies of the burned DVDs as a set of ISO files for later. By having multiple copies of the information, when an emergency situation does come up, you'll have the goods. Paul |
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On 03/25/2018 10:56 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 03/25/2018 10:51 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 03/25/2018 10:43 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: [HB: skip to paragraph near end starting "Back to HB", other than for interest.] In message , Paul writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Patrick writes: On 25/03/2018 06:18, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , HB writes: [] How many times does MS allow us to use the "once only" copy of the OS? Â*As many times as you like/need - as long as they're always on the _sameÂ* computer_. The "once only" is what Microsoft says about _making_ thoseÂ* discs: It says something like "you will only have oneÂ* chance to makeÂ* these discs". (_Why_ it does that limit, I don'tÂ* know, since they canÂ* only be used on that PC.) Oops, I,ve just told HB that said would be a restriction (if at all) of the OEM rather than MS. Still not to relevant at the moment. Â*What I've said above is just _my_ understanding of the situation - though I'm fairly sure the "once only" _does_ apply to the number of times a new computer offers to _make_ the discs. It was always my _understanding_ that those discs were in some way tied to the computer they were made on (presumably involving a hash of various hardware parameters, and allowing for a _certain amount_ of change to enable upgrade and/or repair), but I can't cite a source for that impression. Â*Does anyone know whether a system restored from such disc(s) requiresÂ* activation? Just curious; it's not going to be relevant to HB'sÂ* situation, as even if he could get the system running from the old disc,Â* the opportunity to make a rescue disc is probably long gone. In theÂ* unlikely event he could get the system running from the old disc, I'dÂ* say the first thing to do would be make an image onto his SeagateÂ* external drive (which I would do with Macrium, but any means includingÂ* W7's built-in one would do). OEM OSes auto-activate. On Windows 7, an OEM copy of Windows 7 checks the information in the SLIC table the BIOS passes to it. On Win8 or Win10 OEM machines, an actual unique key is stored in the BIOS as the ACPI MSDM table, and the OS sees this during startup or something. ******* Where actual work is required, is if a user grabs a Win7 Retail DVD and installs on an OEM (Dell,Acer,HP) laptop. Then, the phone prompt appears on thescreen, and you participate in an activation process. I've done one of these on my laptop, using xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx off the COA sticker. You send a 56 digit number to Microsoft over your touch tone phone, and Microsoft reads back a 56 digit code that you type into the laptop. Is the method annoying ? Oh, yeah. Â* Paul Not relevant to HB, but I was wondering about the discs that a new OEM (pre-installed) machine prompts you to make the first few times you start Windows after getting the machine home and turning it on. Are these purely an OEM install disc (in which case they'd be one disc if a DVD), or are they something different to everything else we've discussed (Retail install, OEM install, "Rescue")? I'd assumed they were specific to the machine they were made on, or at least the make and model, and would restore it to its original condition (probably including the junkware the manufacturer installs). Back to HB: the above is useful to know - that if he gets hold of a retail disc he'll still be able to install and activate it using the code from his sticker, but will have to go through 'phone activation. If he gets the one Patrick's post of 2018-3-25 10*:43:0 is providing, will he be able to use that _without_ having to go through activation? (If he does, and all goes well, will it then nag him to make disc[s]?) If he installs from either of these (Retail or OEM-from-Patrick), I presume the Toshiba special recovery (hold down 0 [zero] while powering) won't work, though that's no great loss as it relies on the drive not being dead and we're going to encourage him to image, aren't we. (*hour may vary with timezone) Solution to HB problem. Â*Â*Concrete slab, 9 pound hammer,(John Henry).Â* !!! *BAM* !!!Â* :-) Rene Forgot very important part, Bad Drive. Rene Or was it a 20 pound hammer? :-) Rene |
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On 25/03/2018 16:01, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Patrick writes: On 25/03/2018 06:18, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , HB writes: [] How many times does MS allow us to use the "once only" copy of the OS? Â*As many times as you like/need - as long as they're always on the _sameÂ* computer_. The "once only" is what Microsoft says about _making_ thoseÂ* discs: It says something like "you will only have one chance to makeÂ* these discs". (_Why_ it does that limit, I don't know, since they canÂ* only be used on that PC.) Oops, I,ve just told HB that said would be a restriction (if at all) of the OEM rather than MS. Still not to relevant at the moment. What I've said above is just _my_ understanding of the situation - though I'm fairly sure the "once only" _does_ apply to the number of times a new computer offers to _make_ the discs. It was always my _understanding_ that those discs were in some way tied to the computer they were made on (presumably involving a hash of various hardware parameters, and allowing for a _certain amount_ of change to enable upgrade and/or repair), but I can't cite a source for that impression. Does anyone know whether a system restored from such disc(s) requires activation? Just curious; it's not going to be relevant to HB's situation, as even if he could get the system running from the old disc, the opportunity to make a rescue disc is probably long gone. In the unlikely event he could get the system running from the old disc, I'd say the first thing to do would be make an image onto his Seagate external drive (which I would do with Macrium, but any means including W7's built-in one would do). Sorry but I have had a platefull, I am going to delete the W7 installation *.iso from my Dropbox, you have been given the links to where it comes from, so yourself, 'Paul' or the destroyer 'Rene Lamotagne' et-al can explain to 'HB' how to handle/Download Torrents.etc. |
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In message , Rene Lamontagne
writes: On 03/25/2018 10:51 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote: [] Solution to HB problem. *Concrete slab, 9 pound hammer,(John Henry).* !!! *BAM* !!!* :-) Rene I was going to say, HB's not been that bad - a bit slow to get what we wanted him to do at times, but still ... (-: Forgot very important part, Bad Drive. .... but you got there before me! Rene Still doesn't get his machine back working though. But we're working on that. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "... all your hard work in the hands of twelve people too stupid to get off jury duty." CSI, 200x |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
*HB* - read the paragraphs thus marked.
In message , Paul writes: [] At the very least, the recovery partition on the hard drive, puts back the factory setup. But, presumably, just by moving files around in the C: partition - the recovery partition isn't big enough (by more than an order of magnitude0 to actually include a copy of Windows. In addition, when you are prompted by the laptop to make a set of DVDs based on the recovery partition, those DVDs also return the laptop to factory state. The whole process should be automated. The factory state includes copies of Zynga Games and NTI Backup, stuff Microsoft didn't put there. The factory state means all the OEM "added cruft" will be on C: , just like from the factory. Presumably those DVDs _do_ include a copy of Windows, as well as all the drivers that are specific to the hardware (and the Manufacturer-chosen crudware), i. e. could be used with a new drive. Presumably also not requiring activation. Back to HB: the above is useful to know - that if he gets hold of a retail disc he'll still be able to install and activate it using the code from his sticker, but will have to go through 'phone activation. If he gets the one Patrick's post of 2018-3-25 10*:43:0 is providing, will he be able to use that _without_ having to go through activation? (If he does, and all goes well, will it then nag him to make disc[s]?) If he installs from either of these (Retail or OEM-from-Patrick), I presume the Toshiba special recovery (hold down 0 [zero] while powering) won't work, though that's no great loss as it relies on the drive not being dead and we're going to encourage him to image, aren't we. (*hour may vary with timezone) There is no sign the hard drive is healthy enough to do a Factory Restore. No. It _might_ be possible to image it using ddrescue, but (a) that's probably flaky anyway and (b) HB [and I, for that matter] knows insufficient about using ddrescue that instructing him how to do that would probably be more effort than instructing him to just use the OEM file that Patrick has provided for him, and getting the necessary drivers afterwards. *HB* - in fact, that's something he could be doing (on his working PC) while waiting for his "cable" and new HD: download all the drivers from the Toshiba site that relate to the hardware in the laptop: these would include, at least, audio circuitry, video circuitry, probably wifi adapter, and then maybe touchpad, keyboard, card reader if it has one (many laptops do but their owners haven't found it!), fingerprint scanner if it has one ... when I did a similar fetch-dump for this machine, I got (in no particular order): user manual, bluetooth, bubo assistant*, bulletin board*, chip set, config*, face recognition*, HDD_SDD alert, Intel Management Engine Interface*, Network Device ID Registry Setting Tool*, Online Product Information*, PlayReady PC Runtime*, Rapid Storage Technology Driver*, ReelTime*, security assist*, sleep*, Trusted Platform Module*, 3grf [graphics], assist*, bios*, eco*, hddprot, regpatch*, USB. I don't know what a lot of those are - I haven't installed the ones I've marked with *; I just thought it'd be wise to download them while they're available, as I don't know how long Toshiba will keep them such. *HB* I'd get at least the (user manual and) the ones for audio, video (graphics), wifi, bluetooth, touchpad if offered, card reader, and possibly chip set and USB. If there's any choice, obviously make sure you get the ones relevant to Windows 7, and that match your bitness (32 or 64). Also I'd amend the downloaded filenames (they're all .zip files for mine) so you know what they're for, as they're not obvious: for example, I now have "[bluetooth] blt-mon-20100906153325.zip" and "[fingerprint] fp-sw-20130515154751.zip" (and I've renamed to "[!] userman-en-20100720091205.zip" so it comes at the top in Explorer). *HB* If there _isn't_ a touchpad driver, I'd get the one from Synaptics - they seem to make everybody's touchpads anyway, or at least their driver (despite their warnings) has worked everywhere I've used it so far. Here is a potential list of the assets a new laptop owner receives. Acer prompt - DVD \ Three DVD set that returns laptop with a brand DVD \___ new empty hard drive, to factory state. Activated, DVD / and all drivers are installed already. CD --- 500MB CD containing drivers. These drivers are installed *after* a user does an emergency Retail DVD installation. This saves time when doing a Retail install. You combine this CD, with your Microsoft Win7 download DVD, if wanting to install the Retail version in an emergency. _Could_ that (drivers) be extracted from the poorly drive, do you think? (Though I'd get the drivers from the Toshiba website anyway.) Microsoft prompt - CD --- 300MB CD for emergency boot purposes. Can be used to restore a Windows 7 Backup, to a brand new hard drive. This boot disc can also be used to get to a Command Prompt and do CHKDSK on a partition needing to be checked. So that one can be used EITHER to restore a backup (made to an external source, usually a USB HD), OR to _attempt_ repairs on a poorly disc. OK? That's a total of five optical discs, that a brand new laptop will prompt a new laptop owner to burn, within the first two days of ownership. The laptop should continue to prompt you, to make the materials. (Though I think it's only too easy to turn off the nag permanently, when you only meant to do so temporarily.) Failure to burn the discs means, if the hard drive dies, the user has nothing. Indeed. The "Acer Prompt" in the above, makes *one* copy of the media set for you. Though I've often wondered _why_ they limit it in that way. (Maybe Microsoft oblige them to.) If you want assurance of having the info later, save copies of the burned DVDs as a set of ISO files for later. By having But _not_ on the HD inside the computer they were made on! But somewhere else - external HD, or the HD of another computer, say. multiple copies of the information, when an emergency situation does come up, you'll have the goods. Paul -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "... all your hard work in the hands of twelve people too stupid to get off jury duty." CSI, 200x |
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On 25/03/2018 18:15, Patrick wrote:
Sorry but I have had a platefull, I am going to delete the W7 installation *.iso from my Dropbox, you have been given the links to where it comes from, so yourself, 'Paul'Â* or the destroyer 'Rene Lamotagne' et-al can explain to 'HB' how to handle/Download Torrents.etc. Please everyone accept my apologies for above outburst. |
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In message , Patrick
writes: On 25/03/2018 18:15, Patrick wrote: Sorry but I have had a platefull, I am going to delete the W7 installation *.iso from my Dropbox, you have been given the links to where it comes from, so yourself, 'Paul'* or the destroyer 'Rene Lamotagne' et-al can explain to 'HB' how to handle/Download Torrents.etc. Please everyone accept my apologies for above outburst. Certainly accepted. We've all been very patient in this thread (-:! -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf If you carry on hating, you're the one who's damaged. - Sir Harold Atcherley, sent to the Burma/Siam railway in April 1943 |
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This thread has gone quiet. HB, have you got the new drive yet, and has
the "cable" turned up after its slow boat from China trip? In message , Paul writes: [] Here is a potential list of the assets a new laptop owner receives. Acer prompt - DVD \ Three DVD set that returns laptop with a brand DVD \___ new empty hard drive, to factory state. Activated, DVD / and all drivers are installed already. CD --- 500MB CD containing drivers. These drivers are installed *after* a user does an emergency Retail DVD installation. This saves time when doing a Retail install. You combine this CD, with your Microsoft Win7 download DVD, if wanting to install the Retail version in an emergency. Microsoft prompt - CD --- 300MB CD for emergency boot purposes. Can be used to restore a Windows 7 Backup, to a brand new hard drive. This boot disc can also be used to get to a Command Prompt and do CHKDSK on a partition needing to be checked. That's a total of five optical discs, that a brand new laptop will prompt a new laptop owner to burn, within the first two days of ownership. The laptop should continue to prompt you, to make the materials. Failure to burn the discs means, if the hard drive dies, the user has nothing. The "Acer Prompt" in the above, makes *one* copy of the media set for you. If you want assurance of having the info later, save copies of the burned DVDs as a set of ISO files for later. By having multiple copies of the information, when an emergency situation does come up, you'll have the goods. Paul -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf it is easy to make up a lie, but it can take much more time and effort to convincingly refute it. - Patrick Cockburn, i, 2016-9-24 |
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