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  #46  
Old July 20th 04, 01:40 AM
Kath Adams
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NoNoBadDog! wrote:
Paula;

As many have told you...adding a newsgroup does NOT delete
anything and does NOT empty the trash.



When OE does housecleaning,
it compresses your folders and moves old files to the deleted items
folder,


Wrong.
It doesn't do this either. OE only moves items to the deleted items
folder when YOU tell it to.
When OE compacts (preferably manually, whilst offline) it just removes
wasted space, rather like defragging your hard drive, and makes this
space available again for use.


but does NOT delete the files from that folder. If your
husband was silly enough to store his emails in the Deleted Items
folder, and YOU emptied that folder, then the files are gone. A
normal person would not store his emails in the deleted items folder.

Bobby

"paula" wrote in message
...
OK I made a new folder for storing mail. And no I didn't delete
anything..what to learn is that OE dumps the "deleted items folder"
as part of its add newsgroup program..it does take out the trash an
MS tech told me.
Thank you for helping..and I got some fantastic news about going
to windows\application data\Identities\Outlook Express folder and
some other
ideas as well under the responses...

"Jone Doe" wrote:


"paula" wrote in message
...
I followed the directions to sign up for the Outlook Express
Newsgroup (add newsgroup) on My husband's Outlook Express mail
box and now everything is gone from his folder "Deleted items"
folder where he was storing mail. Joining a Newsgroup does a
"Clean Install" ..no one mentioned this in the join up procedure.
ANy way to retrieve anything would be a happy ending.... Restore
Points unsuccessful. thank you Paula in Stockton ............ I
am in trouble!

Yes indeed you are in trouble.

Setting up a newsgroup merely adds a newsgroup to the list. It
does not do
a clean install, or any kind of install. It merely adds a
newsgroup. Not
one mentioned it for just that reason, it doesn't happen.
Therefore, you must have done something, like perhaps the click the
very handy button to delete mail out of the deleted mail folder.

If you want to store email, make a new folder with a name like,
perhaps "Stored mail" to store it in. Why did you think they
called it "Deleted items.dbx"?


---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.722 / Virus Database: 478 - Release Date: 7/18/2004


--
Kath Adams
MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)

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  #47  
Old July 20th 04, 01:40 AM
Kath Adams
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Default Joined OE Newsgroup but deleted husband's mail

Who or what is "lolo"?
Did you read my previous suggestions?
Do you have more than one identity? If so, are you sure you are looking
in the correct identity?
--
Kath Adams
MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)


paula wrote:
Everybody! The box by "Empty items from the deleted items folder on
exit"
is not checked, was not checked....ever.......... Iolo
was able to open the file "Identities under Application Data,
however, even though IOLO found Folders dbx and inbox dbx....when I
went to this identities folder it said zero files, 0 folders. Maybe
security issue? ANybody know how to open this "identities" folder
and see the Outlook Express stuff?How is it Iolo sees stuff in it and
I can't?

"paula" wrote:

I followed the directions to sign up for the Outlook Express
Newsgroup (add newsgroup) on My husband's Outlook Express mail box
and now everything is gone from his folder "Deleted items" folder
where he was storing mail. Joining a Newsgroup does a "Clean
Install" ..no one mentioned this in the join up procedure. ANy way
to retrieve anything would be a happy ending.... Restore Points
unsuccessful. thank you Paula in Stockton ............ I am in
trouble!


  #48  
Old July 20th 04, 01:56 AM
NoNoBadDog!
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Default Joined OE Newsgroup but deleted husband's mail

Yes, you are right. I was incorrect. But my intention was to state that OE
and Outlook do NOT delete files with normal maintenance unless the user
makes it happen. I know the OP so very desperately wants to blame this on
MS, but she is wrong. I just wanted other new people reading this thread to
understand that the OP is making statements that are not true.

Bobby

"Kath Adams" wrote in message
...
NoNoBadDog! wrote:
Paula;

As many have told you...adding a newsgroup does NOT delete
anything and does NOT empty the trash.



When OE does housecleaning,
it compresses your folders and moves old files to the deleted items
folder,


Wrong.
It doesn't do this either. OE only moves items to the deleted items
folder when YOU tell it to.
When OE compacts (preferably manually, whilst offline) it just removes
wasted space, rather like defragging your hard drive, and makes this
space available again for use.


but does NOT delete the files from that folder. If your
husband was silly enough to store his emails in the Deleted Items
folder, and YOU emptied that folder, then the files are gone. A
normal person would not store his emails in the deleted items folder.

Bobby

"paula" wrote in message
...
OK I made a new folder for storing mail. And no I didn't delete
anything..what to learn is that OE dumps the "deleted items folder"
as part of its add newsgroup program..it does take out the trash an
MS tech told me.
Thank you for helping..and I got some fantastic news about going
to windows\application data\Identities\Outlook Express folder and
some other
ideas as well under the responses...

"Jone Doe" wrote:


"paula" wrote in message
...
I followed the directions to sign up for the Outlook Express
Newsgroup (add newsgroup) on My husband's Outlook Express mail
box and now everything is gone from his folder "Deleted items"
folder where he was storing mail. Joining a Newsgroup does a
"Clean Install" ..no one mentioned this in the join up procedure.
ANy way to retrieve anything would be a happy ending.... Restore
Points unsuccessful. thank you Paula in Stockton ............ I
am in trouble!

Yes indeed you are in trouble.

Setting up a newsgroup merely adds a newsgroup to the list. It
does not do
a clean install, or any kind of install. It merely adds a
newsgroup. Not
one mentioned it for just that reason, it doesn't happen.
Therefore, you must have done something, like perhaps the click the
very handy button to delete mail out of the deleted mail folder.

If you want to store email, make a new folder with a name like,
perhaps "Stored mail" to store it in. Why did you think they
called it "Deleted items.dbx"?


---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.722 / Virus Database: 478 - Release Date: 7/18/2004


--
Kath Adams
MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)



  #49  
Old July 20th 04, 02:53 AM
Kath Adams
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Default Joined OE Newsgroup but deleted husband's mail

Comments noted, and I hear what you are saying!
And why didn't she post in the OE newsgroup that she subscribed to
rather than via the web? vbg
One thing I have not asked and that just occured to me is that it may
actually be a Hotmail account? If the messages are purged from Hotmail,
they disappear from OE. I know she mentioned her ISP as being Comcast,
but she may have muddles with this also.

If she follows the instructions I posted and has not compacted her mail
since she posted (some hopes, as automatic compaction is sure to be
enabled!) there may a slight chance of recovery, depending on what
happened to delete the mails.

Regards
Kath

NoNoBadDog! wrote:
Yes, you are right. I was incorrect. But my intention was to state
that OE and Outlook do NOT delete files with normal maintenance
unless the user makes it happen. I know the OP so very desperately
wants to blame this on MS, but she is wrong. I just wanted other new
people reading this thread to understand that the OP is making
statements that are not true.

Bobby

snip

  #50  
Old July 20th 04, 03:57 AM
Hawaiian Tim
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Default Joined OE Newsgroup but deleted husband's mail

Lolo is a Hawaiian word for crazy. Paka is Hawaiian for
weed. Pakalolo= crazyweed= marijana. No offence intended,
just think it would help understand that particular
meaning of the word and kinda funny. (smiling)...Aloha!
-----Original Message-----
Who or what is "lolo"?
Did you read my previous suggestions?
Do you have more than one identity? If so, are you sure

you are looking
in the correct identity?
--
Kath Adams
MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)


paula wrote:
Everybody! The box by "Empty items from the deleted

items folder on
exit"
is not checked, was not checked....ever.......... Iolo
was able to open the file "Identities under Application

Data,
however, even though IOLO found Folders dbx and inbox

dbx....when I
went to this identities folder it said zero files, 0

folders. Maybe
security issue? ANybody know how to open

this "identities" folder
and see the Outlook Express stuff?How is it Iolo sees

stuff in it and
I can't?

"paula" wrote:

I followed the directions to sign up for the Outlook

Express
Newsgroup (add newsgroup) on My husband's Outlook

Express mail box
and now everything is gone from his folder "Deleted

items" folder
where he was storing mail. Joining a Newsgroup does

a "Clean
Install" ..no one mentioned this in the join up

procedure. ANy way
to retrieve anything would be a happy ending....

Restore Points
unsuccessful. thank you Paula in

Stockton ............ I am in
trouble!


.

  #51  
Old July 20th 04, 04:44 AM
HawaiianTim
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Default Joined OE Newsgroup but deleted husband's mail

I have seen ways of recovering deleted OE files at
Kelly,s websites.................. http://www.kellys-
korner-xp.com/xp_abc.htm http://www.kellys-korner-
xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm Also if it is that important to you
use a software like Active uneraser free at:
http://www.uneraser.com/download.htm and make sure you
download the manuals too.....Aloha.
-----Original Message-----
Who or what is "lolo"?
Did you read my previous suggestions?
Do you have more than one identity? If so, are you sure

you are looking
in the correct identity?
--
Kath Adams
MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)


paula wrote:
Everybody! The box by "Empty items from the deleted

items folder on
exit"
is not checked, was not checked....ever.......... Iolo
was able to open the file "Identities under Application

Data,
however, even though IOLO found Folders dbx and inbox

dbx....when I
went to this identities folder it said zero files, 0

folders. Maybe
security issue? ANybody know how to open

this "identities" folder
and see the Outlook Express stuff?How is it Iolo sees

stuff in it and
I can't?

"paula" wrote:

I followed the directions to sign up for the Outlook

Express
Newsgroup (add newsgroup) on My husband's Outlook

Express mail box
and now everything is gone from his folder "Deleted

items" folder
where he was storing mail. Joining a Newsgroup does

a "Clean
Install" ..no one mentioned this in the join up

procedure. ANy way
to retrieve anything would be a happy ending....

Restore Points
unsuccessful. thank you Paula in

Stockton ............ I am in
trouble!


.

  #52  
Old July 20th 04, 05:47 AM
Tom Pepper Willett
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Default Joined OE Newsgroup but deleted husband's mail

Kath: It may actually be "iolo" which comes up in Google as some sort of
Spyare eliminator. And, we all know, the improper use of spyware
eliminators can cause files to be deleted! ;-)

Tom

"Kath Adams" wrote in message
...
| Who or what is "lolo"?
| Did you read my previous suggestions?
| Do you have more than one identity? If so, are you sure you are looking
| in the correct identity?
| --
| Kath Adams
| MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)
|
|
| paula wrote:
| Everybody! The box by "Empty items from the deleted items folder on
| exit"
| is not checked, was not checked....ever.......... Iolo
| was able to open the file "Identities under Application Data,
| however, even though IOLO found Folders dbx and inbox dbx....when I
| went to this identities folder it said zero files, 0 folders. Maybe
| security issue? ANybody know how to open this "identities" folder
| and see the Outlook Express stuff?How is it Iolo sees stuff in it and
| I can't?
|
| "paula" wrote:
|
| I followed the directions to sign up for the Outlook Express
| Newsgroup (add newsgroup) on My husband's Outlook Express mail box
| and now everything is gone from his folder "Deleted items" folder
| where he was storing mail. Joining a Newsgroup does a "Clean
| Install" ..no one mentioned this in the join up procedure. ANy way
| to retrieve anything would be a happy ending.... Restore Points
| unsuccessful. thank you Paula in Stockton ............ I am in
| trouble!
|


  #53  
Old July 21st 04, 12:42 AM
PA Bear
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Default Joined OE Newsgroup but deleted husband's mail

Start he http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/probl....htm#mailgone.
~~~~~~~~~~~
DBXtract
http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtract/Default.aspx

DBXtend (additional functionality)
http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtend/Default.aspx

DBXpress (faster, more powerful, with even greater functionality)
http://www.oehelp.com/DBXpress/Default.aspx
~~~~~~~~~~~
For lost Inbox messages:
Inbox.dbx is damaged. Close OE and then Move Inbox.dbx from your store
folder (http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/files/store.htm) to another Windows
(not OE) folder and run any of the above applications on the moved file. (A
new, empty Inbox.dbx will be created when you next open OE.)

Other folders:
Close OE. Move the associated DBX [e.g., Deleted Items.dbx] file to another
Windows folder and run any of the above applications on the moved file.

If one of the above applications successfully recovers any messages, count
yourself fortunate. Do *not* import the messages from the moved DBX file
back into OE! Recovered messages may be dragged into an open OE folder,
but...

Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
folders created for this purpose.

Disable Background Compacting and frequently perform a manual compact of all
OE folders while "working offline". More at
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/files/maintain.htm.

Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause such
corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.
--
OE6-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress

HTH - Please Reply to This Thread

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE), AH-VSOP

AumHa Forums
http://forum.aumha.org

Protect Your PC
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect


paula wrote:
I followed the directions to sign up for the Outlook Express Newsgroup
(add newsgroup) on My husband's Outlook Express mail box and now
everything is gone from his folder "Deleted items" folder where he
was storing mail. Joining a Newsgroup does a "Clean Install" ..no
one mentioned this in the join up procedure. ANy way to retrieve
anything would be a happy ending.... Restore Points unsuccessful.
thank you Paula in Stockton ............ I am in trouble!


  #54  
Old July 21st 04, 12:42 AM
Kath Adams
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Default Joined OE Newsgroup but deleted husband's mail

Thanks for that Tom, she doesn't appear to have seen my post with the
"normal" recovery procedures yet, or tried my suggestions.
Kath

Tom Pepper Willett wrote:
Kath: It may actually be "iolo" which comes up in Google as some
sort of Spyare eliminator. And, we all know, the improper use of
spyware eliminators can cause files to be deleted! ;-)

Tom

"Kath Adams" wrote in message
...
Who or what is "lolo"?
Did you read my previous suggestions?
Do you have more than one identity? If so, are you sure you are
looking in the correct identity?
--
Kath Adams
MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)


paula wrote:
Everybody! The box by "Empty items from the deleted items folder on
exit"
is not checked, was not checked....ever.......... Iolo
was able to open the file "Identities under Application Data,
however, even though IOLO found Folders dbx and inbox dbx....when I
went to this identities folder it said zero files, 0 folders. Maybe
security issue? ANybody know how to open this "identities" folder
and see the Outlook Express stuff?How is it Iolo sees stuff in it
and I can't?

"paula" wrote:

I followed the directions to sign up for the Outlook Express
Newsgroup (add newsgroup) on My husband's Outlook Express mail box
and now everything is gone from his folder "Deleted items" folder
where he was storing mail. Joining a Newsgroup does a "Clean
Install" ..no one mentioned this in the join up procedure. ANy way
to retrieve anything would be a happy ending.... Restore Points
unsuccessful. thank you Paula in Stockton ............ I am in
trouble!


  #55  
Old July 21st 04, 01:42 AM
Kath Adams
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Posts: n/a
Default Joined OE Newsgroup but deleted husband's mail

I was coming to all that! Thought I would start with the simple things
first :-)
Kath

PA Bear wrote:
Start he http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/probl....htm#mailgone.
~~~~~~~~~~~
DBXtract
http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtract/Default.aspx

DBXtend (additional functionality)
http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtend/Default.aspx

DBXpress (faster, more powerful, with even greater functionality)
http://www.oehelp.com/DBXpress/Default.aspx
~~~~~~~~~~~
For lost Inbox messages:
Inbox.dbx is damaged. Close OE and then Move Inbox.dbx from your
store folder (http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/files/store.htm) to
another Windows (not OE) folder and run any of the above applications
on the moved file. (A new, empty Inbox.dbx will be created when you
next open OE.)

Other folders:
Close OE. Move the associated DBX [e.g., Deleted Items.dbx] file to
another Windows folder and run any of the above applications on the
moved file.

If one of the above applications successfully recovers any messages,
count yourself fortunate. Do *not* import the messages from the
moved DBX file back into OE! Recovered messages may be dragged into
an open OE folder, but...

Don't use Inbox or Sent Items to archive messages. Move them to local
folders created for this purpose.

Disable Background Compacting and frequently perform a manual compact
of all OE folders while "working offline". More at
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/files/maintain.htm.

Your anti-virus application's email scanning feature can also cause
such corruption. Disable it. It provides no additional protection.

paula wrote:
I followed the directions to sign up for the Outlook Express
Newsgroup (add newsgroup) on My husband's Outlook Express mail box
and now everything is gone from his folder "Deleted items" folder
where he was storing mail. Joining a Newsgroup does a "Clean
Install" ..no one mentioned this in the join up procedure. ANy way
to retrieve anything would be a happy ending.... Restore Points
unsuccessful. thank you Paula in Stockton ............ I am in
trouble!


  #56  
Old July 21st 04, 01:42 AM
PA Bear
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Default Joined OE Newsgroup but deleted husband's mail

pfft & eg

Kath Adams wrote:
I was coming to all that! Thought I would start with the simple things
first :-)
Kath

PA Bear wrote:
Start he http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/probl....htm#mailgone.

  #57  
Old July 21st 04, 07:48 AM
Kath Adams
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Default Joined OE Newsgroup but deleted husband's mail

I am now using the PC in the office, and haven't looked at NG's over the
weekend on this machine, so searched for this thread....amazing what
pops up when you specify "author"? vbg

quote
I am using AOL...does that mean I
should turn off the home XP Firewall?
thanks Pfabionar/Stockton Paula/quote

and another..
quote
Hello Is anybody out there? Say I download a new
version of a driver, save to desktop, then Device
manager's update menu, when checked brings
up the wizard who asks for the windows disk. Well
I thought I could pull the new dr. from desktop
Of course this is windows home XP, driver (any)
Thank YOU for thinking...paula I need step by step help/quote

and yet another....
quote
Oh Oh Kelly and all you wizards:"Change your Hardware, your software and
your underwear." I picked the S3 graphics driver update"1393651
Shid.zip.".. Then I downloaded, "save - "desktop" Then I couldn't find
it til I got to the 4th " choose your own browse" location and finally
backtracked til I Located
it.. then I think I opened it..then I closed it The brouse window still
could not find it.Then I unzipped it..Then the Device Mgr was able to
find it then I opened it the wizard installed it( two wizards) Then I
looked at the S3 Graphics under Control Pan. advanced and driver and it
said"6.14.10.25" which is the old number. So I clicked update driver. A
new Wiz Hdware did it..and I don't know how to check if it is the new
one. paula Thanks!
/quote

All since the 14th.
Who knows now? lol

Kath

PA Bear wrote:
pfft & eg

Kath Adams wrote:
I was coming to all that! Thought I would start with the simple
things first :-)
Kath

PA Bear wrote:
Start he
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/probl....htm#mailgone.


--
Kath Adams
MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)

  #58  
Old July 23rd 04, 07:47 PM
Jone Doe
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Default Joined OE Newsgroup but deleted husband's mail


"paula" wrote in message
...
Well a technician said that adding a newsgroup does (OE) dump the
deleted items folder..and does so on a regular basis as it loads mail

I'd find a new tech who knows what he is talking about.


---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.723 / Virus Database: 479 - Release Date: 7/19/2004


  #59  
Old July 23rd 04, 08:38 PM
Kath Adams
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Default Joined OE Newsgroup but deleted husband's mail

paula wrote:
Thank You will try..Installing a newsgroup dumps the deleted items
folder! Jon good idea..will try to go through Comcast.net You are
Heroic! paula

"Jon" wrote:

Couple of things to try

(1) Check that you're checking the right "Deleted Items" folder. You
may have more than one in your list of folders.

(2) If you can also access your email via the web ie by logging on
to the relevant website (eg hotmail.com for a hotmail account etc)
then try accessing the mail account in that way, to see what you may
be able to retrieve

Jon


wrote in message
...
I followed the directions to sign up for the Outlook Express
Newsgroup (add newsgroup) on My husband's Outlook Express mail box
and now everything is gone from his folder "Deleted items" folder
where he was storing mail. Joining a Newsgroup does a "Clean
Install" ..no one mentioned this in the join up procedure. ANy way
to retrieve anything would be a happy ending.... Restore Points
unsuccessful. thank you Paula in Stockton ............ I am in
trouble!


OK Paula, as everyone else has already said, OE does *not* dump anything
just by subscribing to a newsgroup.

Hopefully, all may not be lost.
Follow these instructions carefully :-

Open OE, go to toolsoptionsmaintenancestore folder and note the
location that OE is storing the folders.
Close OE.
In Control Panelfolder optionsview, make sure there is a tick in "Show
hidden files and folders".
In Windows Explorer, nagivate to the place you noted down in step one.
MOVE deleted items.dbx to a safe place on your PC, ideally the desktop.

(OE will create a new deleted items folder when you next re-start it.
But don't worry about this for the moment.)

Download ($5) and install the following program. Use it on the deleted
items folder that you moved to see if you can get your messages back.
http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtract/Default.aspx

(No guarantees, depending on your OE settings).

Some useful maintenance tips. Do NOT store mail that you want to keep in
any of the default mail folders of OE. Move them to folders created by
you under Local Folders. Disable "compact in the background" and do this
manually, frequently, whilst offline.
Also, make regular backups of all your mail folders for just such an
eventuality.
Link to a program that will do this automatically and free for you.
http://www.oehelp.com/oebackup/default.aspx

--
Kath Adams
MS MVP - Windows (IE/OE)

  #60  
Old July 23rd 04, 08:43 PM
NoNoBadDog!
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Paula;

1. Your tech is full of it. Fire him and spend your money with a tech who
knows what he is talking about.

2. I have used OE and Outlook for years. Adding newsgroups does NOT delete
anything. let me repeat that...adding newsgroups does NOT delete anything.

3. If you lost your husbands emails, it is because YOU did something to
delete them. Besides, only an idiot would store his files in the deleted
items folder.

4. Perhaps you are not quite ready to be using OE and outlook. I would
sugest a visit to your local bookstore or library. There are many books out
there written in simple language on how to use your computer and apps like
OE and Outlook. I suggest you do some reading.

Bobby

"paula" wrote in message
...
I followed the directions to sign up for the Outlook Express Newsgroup
(add newsgroup) on My husband's Outlook Express mail box and now
everything is gone from his folder "Deleted items" folder where he
was storing mail. Joining a Newsgroup does a "Clean Install" ..no
one mentioned this in the join up procedure. ANy way to retrieve
anything would be a happy ending.... Restore Points unsuccessful.
thank you Paula in Stockton ............ I am in trouble!



 




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