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Windows XP Issue (Activation) II
Yea, I can believe that - you said he/she didn't comprehend either, that
puts you at a serious disadvantage - both of you not comprehending computers and unable to understand what people post in order to answer questions where you don't like answers when they are not what you want to hear. "Answer" is the key word here. You didn't answer crap. You gave your opinion. The opinion, the you think is going to get you a MVP status here...lol! You are my hero! Your Microsoft's knight in shining armour. To sum up your jibber, you'd pay twice for Windows XP reguardless of the situation (the situation you can't seem to comprehend). Let me charge you twice for your groceries. Oh that's right, you get food stamps. |
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The problem you have is YOU. It is not your mother, Microsoft, or anybody
else, it is YOU. You already knew the answer and decided the solution before you posted your first message. I just wanted to know if there were going to be heavy repercussions to what I ALREADY did. you were going to fix your mothers computer that you broke come hell or high water Damn skippy! I didn't broke it anyhow. YOU HAVE NO CLUE. You messed up. It is very likely you could have used any OEM XP CD of the version Home [most likely] or Pro and the eMachines Product Key and installed and activated without any problem plus be in compliance with the OEM EULA license. You only changed the bios, that voided your eMachines restore and support, but it didn't void your Microsoft OEM EULA. Oh yeah. Too bad I don't have transcripts of the calls to MS and the toll calls to eMachines. To sum it up the Product Key on the tower doesn't mean SQUAT if you upgraded your BIOS. I will ignore your rudeness, since it is was a knee-jerk reply and hope you work out your situation as painless as possible. If you ever need any of my "light" content, feel free to ask or use my web site [also provided for free]. Thanks for you concern and offer to help in the future. You are a MVP platinum member in my book! |
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Bottom line here is, I HAD to flash the BIOS, plain and simple. EMachines
does not offer the updated version with the fix I needed, I believe they don't even offer BIOS's period. My decision to do what I did, was not because I was ignorant and didn't do any research, because I'll be damned if I'm going to pay or have my Mom pay for another copy of Windows XP. I'm not passing out copies of the OS. So all you do-gooders don't worry. Sh*t, like none of you ever downloaded anything that you didn't pay for. WELL my Mom paid for XP, and I'll be damned if she's going to give them another cent, unless it's for Longhorn. "daygo140" wrote in message ... I am not having a problem, yet. But here is the scenario. I bought a copy of Windows XP a while ago for my PC. I reformatted my HDD reinstalled and activated Windows XP several times since I like to keep my PC fresh, which doesn't seem to be a problem as long as the copy is on one PC. Well, my Mom had a problem with her eMachines which needed it's BIOS to be flashed, I did so. The Windows XP that comes installed in an eMachine and is contained in the system restore disks uses "System Locked Pre-installation" (SLP) which at boot, Windows XP compares the PC's BIOS to the SLP information. If it matches, no activation is required. Well since I have flashed her BIOS the information does not add up and eMachines can't do anything for my Mom. So I stepped in and installed my version of XP and activated it and updated it to SP2 for her. Now there are two working copies of the same Windows XP on two different PC's. It's not like I just copied Windows XP to a CD and started passing it out to prevent people from purchasing an upgrade. Mom technically has a right/license to run Windows XP but can't. My questions that need to be answered so I can get sleep at night: 1.) Will my or my Mom's PC render useless? (MS finding out and disabling it via Windows Update or some other technique?) 2.) Will I go to jail or get a fine? 3.) My best friend bought a Dell and ran over his restoration disk with the wheel of his chair, schmuck . Almost same scenario, he has the right/license to run it but can't. Can I install my copy onto his PC without getting my PC or my Mom's deactivated or rendered useless? 4.) Will I go to jail or get a fine if I also install it on my best friend's PC? I REALLY appreciate the time you guys take to answer this post. You are really helping me out! THANK YOU!! BTW, I scoured the 'net and there is an overwhelming amount of information and information that is conflicting (even from MS) that is real hard to get these questions answered. So I figured someone here has the "Windows Product Activation" (WPA) knowledge or experienced the same thing I am. |
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Your mother's machine should have MS seal on it with the
'Product Key'. This is a legal key and you paid for it. It is not disk dependent except for restrictions on OEM stuff... You 'should' be able to do a system repair with any disk of the OS... Bill Atlanta PS write it down in your user manual too! On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:33:01 -0800, "daygo140" wrote: I am not having a problem, yet. But here is the scenario. I bought a copy of Windows XP a while ago for my PC. I reformatted my HDD reinstalled and activated Windows XP several times since I like to keep my PC fresh, which doesn't seem to be a problem as long as the copy is on one PC. Well, my Mom had a problem with her eMachines which needed it's BIOS to be flashed, I did so. The Windows XP that comes installed in an eMachine and is contained in the system restore disks uses "System Locked Pre-installation" (SLP) which at boot, Windows XP compares the PC's BIOS to the SLP information. If it matches, no activation is required. Well since I have flashed her BIOS the information does not add up and eMachines can't do anything for my Mom. So I stepped in and installed my version of XP and activated it and updated it to SP2 for her. Now there are two working copies of the same Windows XP on two different PC's. It's not like I just copied Windows XP to a CD and started passing it out to prevent people from purchasing an upgrade. Mom technically has a right/license to run Windows XP but can't. My questions that need to be answered so I can get sleep at night: 1.) Will my or my Mom's PC render useless? (MS finding out and disabling it via Windows Update or some other technique?) 2.) Will I go to jail or get a fine? 3.) My best friend bought a Dell and ran over his restoration disk with the wheel of his chair, schmuck . Almost same scenario, he has the right/license to run it but can't. Can I install my copy onto his PC without getting my PC or my Mom's deactivated or rendered useless? 4.) Will I go to jail or get a fine if I also install it on my best friend's PC? I REALLY appreciate the time you guys take to answer this post. You are really helping me out! THANK YOU!! BTW, I scoured the 'net and there is an overwhelming amount of information and information that is conflicting (even from MS) that is real hard to get these questions answered. So I figured someone here has the "Windows Product Activation" (WPA) knowledge or experienced the same thing I am. |
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daygo140 wrote:
The problem you have is YOU. It is not your mother, Microsoft, or anybody else, it is YOU. You already knew the answer and decided the solution before you posted your first message. I just wanted to know if there were going to be heavy repercussions to what I ALREADY did. So you agree with me! Good, we are communicating!!!! 8-) you were going to fix your mothers computer that you broke come hell or high water Damn skippy! I didn't broke it anyhow. YOU HAVE NO CLUE. OK, your mothers computer needed help, you decided it had to have the bios flashed with a non-eMachines supported bios update that rendered the computer dead in the water. I really must have no clue. What part did I miss, please enlighten me. You messed up. It is very likely you could have used any OEM XP CD of the version Home [most likely] or Pro and the eMachines Product Key and installed and activated without any problem plus be in compliance with the OEM EULA license. You only changed the bios, that voided your eMachines restore and support, but it didn't void your Microsoft OEM EULA. Oh yeah. Too bad I don't have transcripts of the calls to MS and the toll calls to eMachines. To sum it up the Product Key on the tower doesn't mean SQUAT if you upgraded your BIOS. I never call MS, and I have never called eMachines. I do plead guilty to reading these newsgroups and I Google when necessary. Did you try using the eMachines Product Key with a OEM XP CD? I know OEM product keys from Dell works with other OEM XP CD's. They do require activation when the bios is not recognized, but if the Product Key is accepted to continue the setup, it will most likely activate successfully. How about you losing that chip on your shoulder, I think it is blocking your view. You work with us we will work with you. I will ignore your rudeness, since it is was a knee-jerk reply and hope you work out your situation as painless as possible. If you ever need any of my "light" content, feel free to ask or use my web site [also provided for free]. Thanks for you concern and offer to help in the future. You are a MVP platinum member in my book! Well thank you..............I guess? What book you putting me in? 8-) -- Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP http://michaelstevenstech.com For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader. http://michaelstevenstech.com/outloo...snewreader.htm |
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Finally, someone trying to actually help rather than get brownie points from
MS and prove there unproven point. Thanks for your help Bill but I tried that. When I placed the call to MS to activate it, we tried not entering an activation code then proceeded to the next step and inputted the Product Key from the tower. It came up invalid! MS support suggested I call eMachines. EMachines basically said there was nothing I can do/didn't have a solution. Thanks again though for your genuine concern! "Bill" wrote in message ... Your mother's machine should have MS seal on it with the 'Product Key'. This is a legal key and you paid for it. It is not disk dependent except for restrictions on OEM stuff... You 'should' be able to do a system repair with any disk of the OS... Bill Atlanta PS write it down in your user manual too! On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:33:01 -0800, "daygo140" wrote: I am not having a problem, yet. But here is the scenario. I bought a copy of Windows XP a while ago for my PC. I reformatted my HDD reinstalled and activated Windows XP several times since I like to keep my PC fresh, which doesn't seem to be a problem as long as the copy is on one PC. Well, my Mom had a problem with her eMachines which needed it's BIOS to be flashed, I did so. The Windows XP that comes installed in an eMachine and is contained in the system restore disks uses "System Locked Pre-installation" (SLP) which at boot, Windows XP compares the PC's BIOS to the SLP information. If it matches, no activation is required. Well since I have flashed her BIOS the information does not add up and eMachines can't do anything for my Mom. So I stepped in and installed my version of XP and activated it and updated it to SP2 for her. Now there are two working copies of the same Windows XP on two different PC's. It's not like I just copied Windows XP to a CD and started passing it out to prevent people from purchasing an upgrade. Mom technically has a right/license to run Windows XP but can't. My questions that need to be answered so I can get sleep at night: 1.) Will my or my Mom's PC render useless? (MS finding out and disabling it via Windows Update or some other technique?) 2.) Will I go to jail or get a fine? 3.) My best friend bought a Dell and ran over his restoration disk with the wheel of his chair, schmuck . Almost same scenario, he has the right/license to run it but can't. Can I install my copy onto his PC without getting my PC or my Mom's deactivated or rendered useless? 4.) Will I go to jail or get a fine if I also install it on my best friend's PC? I REALLY appreciate the time you guys take to answer this post. You are really helping me out! THANK YOU!! BTW, I scoured the 'net and there is an overwhelming amount of information and information that is conflicting (even from MS) that is real hard to get these questions answered. So I figured someone here has the "Windows Product Activation" (WPA) knowledge or experienced the same thing I am. |
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OK, your mothers computer needed help, you decided it had to have the
bios flashed with a non-eMachines supported bios update that rendered the computer dead in the water. The BIOS flash fixed the problem. I didn't come here to have you question my PC knowledge, refer to the original post. I asked a few questions to be answered. I didn't come here to be questioned about anything or critized. I wanted ANSWERS to the questions. |
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I never call MS, and I have never called eMachines. I do plead guilty to
reading these newsgroups and I Google when necessary. Did you try using the eMachines Product Key with a OEM XP CD? I know OEM product keys from Dell works with other OEM XP CD's. They do require activation when the bios is not recognized, but if the Product Key is accepted to continue the setup, it will most likely activate successfully. How about you losing that chip on your shoulder, I think it is blocking your view. You work with us we will work with you. You must of never of activated a copy of Windows XP through phone support if you never call MS. Well like I said before, you MS heroes, fail to read through these threads: When I placed the call to MS to activate it, we tried not entering an activation code then proceeded to the next step and inputted the Product Key from the tower. It came up invalid! MS support suggested I call eMachines. EMachines basically said there was nothing I can do/didn't have a solution. FOCUS: answer my original questions and quit trying to get the last word and I'll shut up. Bottom line is I installed a copy of Windows XP on my mom's PC. It's running better than it has ever did. I'm not removing it. Unless I get a court order to do so. I simply wanted answers for questions AFTER the installation. I suggest you view my original post. |
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If you had come here and asked about the problem, or told us that you
didn't flash with a E-Machines BIOS or had even pointed out why you needed to change that caused you to use a non-E-Machines BIOS, things might have gone smoother for you in this thread. You miss the point! Stick to the original post and those questions, they are numbered if you can't find them. Don't worry what happened up until then, I didn't ask for you to help me with that. FOCUS! |
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You DID make a backup (of the BIOS)
in case you needed to go back to it - right? Of course I made a backup . If I go back the problem that I flashed it in the first place reappears. I am not getting into that. FOCUS. I don't need help with that. |
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"daygo140" wrote | My questions that need to be answered so I can get sleep at night: | | 1.) Will my or my Mom's PC render useless? (MS finding out and disabling it | via Windows Update or some other technique?) Not if you installed and activated XP 120 days after you did yours, which you obviously did or it wouldn't activate. | | 2.) Will I go to jail or get a fine? Not a chance. | 3.) My best friend bought a Dell and ran over his restoration disk with the | wheel of his chair, schmuck . Almost same scenario, he has the right/license | to run it but can't. Can I install my copy onto his PC without getting my PC | or my Mom's deactivated or rendered useless? 120 days ... | 4.) Will I go to jail or get a fine if I also install it on my best friend's | PC? Not a chance. -- Alias Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me. Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail. |
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but since YOU performed a
unauthorized BIOS flash with non-E-Machines firmware, you invalidated your support/warranty. Anyone that knows enough to flash a BIOS without vendor support already knows all of this. The warranty is out. I don't need their support. I just wanted what my Mom paid for. So what you are saying is either reflash, get back the original problem; render her pc useless. Or flash and fix the PC then pay MS $$$ for something my Mother has the rights/license to use????? |
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daygo140 Acted: like an Ostrich and stuck his head in the sand OK, your mothers computer needed help, you decided it had to have the bios flashed with a non-eMachines supported bios update that rendered the computer dead in the water. The BIOS flash fixed the problem. I didn't come here to have you question my PC knowledge, refer to the original post. I asked a few questions to be answered. I didn't come here to be questioned about anything or critized. I wanted ANSWERS to the questions. LOL What did the bios flash fix? You have not told us why it had to have the bios flash. Face it.! It did break the eMachines restore media's ability to restore your mom's computer to a working computer. Yes you did ask a few questions that you wanted answered. You DIDN'T like the answers to the questions. How do you expect questions to be answered? Truthfully, or to bolster your concept of the answer? I am not questioning your knowledge, I am answering your questions. -- Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP http://michaelstevenstech.com For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader. http://michaelstevenstech.com/outloo...snewreader.htm |
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Alias,
NOTE: I am not being sarcastic when I say this: YOU ARE MY HERO!!! THANK-YOU "Alias" wrote in message ... "daygo140" wrote | My questions that need to be answered so I can get sleep at night: | | 1.) Will my or my Mom's PC render useless? (MS finding out and disabling it | via Windows Update or some other technique?) Not if you installed and activated XP 120 days after you did yours, which you obviously did or it wouldn't activate. | | 2.) Will I go to jail or get a fine? Not a chance. | 3.) My best friend bought a Dell and ran over his restoration disk with the | wheel of his chair, schmuck . Almost same scenario, he has the right/license | to run it but can't. Can I install my copy onto his PC without getting my PC | or my Mom's deactivated or rendered useless? 120 days ... | 4.) Will I go to jail or get a fine if I also install it on my best friend's | PC? Not a chance. -- Alias Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me. Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail. |
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Face it.! It did break the eMachines restore media's ability to
restore your mom's computer to a working computer. I did a long time ago. FOCUS and read the original post you'll see were I "faced it". I am not questioning your knowledge, I am answering your questions. All I got was questions about everything leading up to my questions. If I had missed it sorry. Now I can sleep better at night, YOUR AWESOME!! |
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