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  #16  
Old March 4th 05, 12:17 AM
Yves Leclerc
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The XP install CD is the only start-up disk required. It is bootable.


"Laurel" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the very helpful link. It did, however, leave me with a couple
of remaining questions. This article assumes that I have a "startup
disk."
I have nothing. The PC was given to my granddaughter, but no disks of any
sort for the old operating system (XP home). The hard drive is partitioned
(C and D). XP/ME is installed on the C partition, and XP/Pro is installed
on the D partition. Since I don't want to revert to 95 or 98 (another
assumption the article seems to make), can I just right mouse on the C
drive
(containing XP/ME) and click format? While logged onto XP/Pro, which
lives
on the D drive, of course.

XP/ME is flakey, which is one reason for installing the new OS. I don't
know if there's an upgrade option from ME to Pro, but it didn't seem
advisable. For "flakiness" symptoms, see my other posting, "Content
Advisor
is broken."


"Michael Stevens" wrote in message
...
In ,
Laurel respectfully replied ;-)
How do I remove the OS from the first computer?


Format it.
Click on the link below, or copy and paste the link into the address box
if using the web based newsgroup.
How do I deactivate, move to another computer or sell a previously

activated
XP?
#06 on the FAQ list
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Laurel;
1. You can install your retail Windows XP on the new computer as
long as you remove it from the first.
Activation should not be a problem.

2. You have been told wrong.
Some versions of Microsoft Office allow multiple installations but no
versions of retail Windows allow more than one installation at a
time.

Read your specific EULA for details:
Start/Run
Type "winver" ENTER
Click "End-User..." to access the EULA.


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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Laurel" wrote in message
...
What are the rules for installing XP Pro on multiple PCs?
1 - If you get a new PC, obviously you have to re-install. Do you
get into
difficulties by "activating your system" more than once?
2 - I've been told that it's perfectly OK to install Windows on
your home PC
and your laptop. Actually, I've been told that 3 installations is
the legal
limit. Is this true?








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  #17  
Old March 4th 05, 12:21 AM
Yves Leclerc
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NO!. it does not "compare" to the web. It generates a "secret" code based
on several aspects of the hardware with the one sent for activation. If too
many changes occur, the allowed count for changes, would push for a
re-activate request.


"Laurel" wrote in message
...


There is no "legal limit." There is just the limits MS tries to impose
in the privacy of your home, and the limit of reality. MS's legally
unsubstantiated EULA claim is that they only allow installation of XP on
one computer. The limit of reality is that you can get away with
installing it on ALL of YOUR PCs. Through activation, MS cannot
determine what specific computer or computer components XP is installed
on, so unless you actually tell MS that XP is installed on more than one
computer, they have no way of knowing.


My understanding of how this works is that

1 - "Activate" stores 10 different aspects of your PC hardware
configuration
in a database
2 - If you don't "activate" within 30 days, you can't run Windows
3 - When you boot your PC (if connected to the web.... not clear about
what
happens
if you're not connected), it compares the database with your
current
PC. If it's
different, you can't run Windows except to back up. Then you call
MicroSoft
to explain

If these are all facts, then I don't see how you could run multiple PCs
simultaneously off the same copy of Windows??
Please advise.

TIA
LAS



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  #18  
Old March 4th 05, 12:26 AM
Ken Blake
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In ,
Laurel typed:

My understanding of how this works is that

1 - "Activate" stores 10 different aspects of your PC hardware
configuration in a database
2 - If you don't "activate" within 30 days, you can't run
Windows



Except in Safe Mode.


3 - When you boot your PC (if connected to the web.... not
clear
about what happens
if you're not connected),



Whether connected or not, the comparison is to the activation
info stored on your computer.

Read MVP Alex Nichol's Article "Windows Product Activation (WPA)
on Windows XP"
at http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm

it compares the database with your
current PC. If it's
different, you can't run Windows except to back up.
Then you
call MicroSoft
to explain


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  #19  
Old March 4th 05, 12:27 AM
kurttrail
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Laurel wrote:
There is no "legal limit." There is just the limits MS tries to
impose in the privacy of your home, and the limit of reality. MS's
legally unsubstantiated EULA claim is that they only allow
installation of XP on one computer. The limit of reality is that
you can get away with installing it on ALL of YOUR PCs. Through
activation, MS cannot determine what specific computer or computer
components XP is installed on, so unless you actually tell MS that
XP is installed on more than one computer, they have no way of
knowing.


My understanding of how this works is that

1 - "Activate" stores 10 different aspects of your PC hardware
configuration in a database


The wpa.dbl file on your computer. What is sent to MS is only a
encrypted snapshot of that database plus the Product ID, not the entire
WPA database, and it cannot be backward calculated by Microsoft.

2 - If you don't "activate" within 30 days, you can't run Windows


Not true entirely true. You can activate after the 30 days by going
into Safe Mode and taking the phone option to activate.

3 - When you boot your PC (if connected to the web.... not clear
about what happens
if you're not connected), it compares the database with your
current PC. If it's
different, you can't run Windows except to back up.


Only within the first 120 days from the last activation, and then all
you have to do is phone MS, and tell them you upgraded your computer.
After 120 days since the last activation, you should be activated just
like the first time over the internet. MS resets the Activation info
every 120 days.

Then you
call MicroSoft
to explain


Yes. If you tell them it is installed on more than one computer, then
they won't activate you. If you tell them you upgrade YOUR computer,
then they have to take your word for it. MS doesn't know what actual
computer, or computer components any copy of XP is installed on. All
activation tells them is that components have changed.


If these are all facts,


They aren't the complete facts.

then I don't see how you could run multiple
PCs simultaneously off the same copy of Windows??


I think you should have a better idea how activation really works now.
People, like Jupiter, go around spouting the "EULA Über Alles," but
notice he doesn't dispute my explanation about how activation really
works. That's because it is the reality of how it really works.

Please advise.

TIA
LAS


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  #20  
Old March 4th 05, 12:30 AM
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
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Laurel;
It is possible to install and run on multiple computers.
But it violates the EULA you have agreed to do so.
Like most things, there are ways for those without integrity to violate the
agreement.

1. Close enough
2. Exactly
3. not unless you want the computer to activate.
Your computer does not phone home on a routine basis to check validity.
The data used to verify activation is stored on your computer.

See this about Activation:
http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm
And:
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation.mspx

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"Laurel" wrote in message My understanding of how
this works is that

1 - "Activate" stores 10 different aspects of your PC hardware
configuration
in a database
2 - If you don't "activate" within 30 days, you can't run Windows
3 - When you boot your PC (if connected to the web.... not clear about
what
happens
if you're not connected), it compares the database with your
current
PC. If it's
different, you can't run Windows except to back up. Then you call
MicroSoft
to explain

If these are all facts, then I don't see how you could run multiple PCs
simultaneously off the same copy of Windows??
Please advise.

TIA
LAS



  #21  
Old March 4th 05, 12:44 AM
kurttrail
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Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

"Laurel" wrote in message My understanding
of how this works is that

1 - "Activate" stores 10 different aspects of your PC hardware
configuration
in a database
2 - If you don't "activate" within 30 days, you can't run Windows
3 - When you boot your PC (if connected to the web.... not clear
about what
happens
if you're not connected), it compares the database with your
current
PC. If it's
different, you can't run Windows except to back up. Then you
call MicroSoft
to explain

If these are all facts, then I don't see how you could run multiple
PCs simultaneously off the same copy of Windows??
Please advise.

TIA
LAS


Laurel;
It is possible to install and run on multiple computers.
But it violates the EULA you have agreed to do so.
Like most things, there are ways for those without integrity to
violate the agreement.


You mean like MS trying to rewrite an individuals "fair use" rights to
the copy of copyrighted software that was legally sold to them in a
POST-SALE Shrink-wrap License?


1. Close enough
2. Exactly
3. not unless you want the computer to activate.


Huh?

Your computer does not phone home on a routine basis to check
validity. The data used to verify activation is stored on your
computer.
See this about Activation:
http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm
And:
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation.mspx


And http://microscum.com/mmpafaq/

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  #22  
Old March 4th 05, 12:44 AM
Woody
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Like most things, there are ways for those without integrity to violate the
agreement.


i just love the high and mighty attitude . anyone that disagrees with
anything here is totally lacking integrity .

anyone here that disagrees with MS's eula is a thief .

anyone that doesn't kiss MS's and your ass's is a troll .

**** maybe MS should contact Webster and ask that the definition of consumer
activist be changed to troll .




  #23  
Old March 4th 05, 12:52 AM
Laurel
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"Yves Leclerc" wrote in message
...
NO!. it does not "compare" to the web. It generates a "secret" code based
on several aspects of the hardware with the one sent for activation. If

too
many changes occur, the allowed count for changes, would push for a
re-activate request.


OK, but whatever it compares your configuration with is not on your PC,
right?


"Laurel" wrote in message
...


There is no "legal limit." There is just the limits MS tries to impose
in the privacy of your home, and the limit of reality. MS's legally
unsubstantiated EULA claim is that they only allow installation of XP

on
one computer. The limit of reality is that you can get away with
installing it on ALL of YOUR PCs. Through activation, MS cannot
determine what specific computer or computer components XP is installed
on, so unless you actually tell MS that XP is installed on more than

one
computer, they have no way of knowing.


My understanding of how this works is that

1 - "Activate" stores 10 different aspects of your PC hardware
configuration
in a database
2 - If you don't "activate" within 30 days, you can't run Windows
3 - When you boot your PC (if connected to the web.... not clear about
what
happens
if you're not connected), it compares the database with your
current
PC. If it's
different, you can't run Windows except to back up. Then you

call
MicroSoft
to explain

If these are all facts, then I don't see how you could run multiple PCs
simultaneously off the same copy of Windows??
Please advise.

TIA
LAS



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  #24  
Old March 4th 05, 12:54 AM
Laurel
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Whether connected or not, the comparison is to the activation
info stored on your computer.


OK, I think I'm beginnign to get this. If you install Windows on a a
different computer, then there is no secret code generated and stored on
your computer. That has to happen when you "activate."

Now - where does the "you have to call Microsoft" come in? How does
Microsoft know you're doing this for the second (or third or fourth) time?


Read MVP Alex Nichol's Article "Windows Product Activation (WPA)
on Windows XP"
at http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm

it compares the database with your
current PC. If it's
different, you can't run Windows except to back up.
Then you
call MicroSoft
to explain


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  #25  
Old March 4th 05, 01:03 AM
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
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No Kurt, you should read for a change.
Microsoft may have written the agreement, but it is a choice the user makes
to accept the agreement.
If the terms are unacceptable, do not agree.
Make your choice Agree or not and then act accordingly.
If you agree and then violate an agreement, that makes a person a liar.

No rights are lost, in fact just the opposite.
Until it is agreed to, there are no rights to use it.
Once it is agreed, then there are rights to use.
Rights that did not exist prior to the agreement.
I guess you consider the ability to legally use something more restrictive
than no use at all.

But this goes against the idea you have that companies such as Microsoft
should work and give to you on your terms while you are unwilling to do the
same with whatever you produce.
Nice one way street you have made.

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"kurttrail" wrote in message
You mean like MS trying to rewrite an individuals "fair use" rights to the
copy of copyrighted software that was legally sold to them in a POST-SALE
Shrink-wrap License?
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  #26  
Old March 4th 05, 01:27 AM
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A troll is one that disrupts a group.

hey , all you have to do is stop responding , but you don't .

while i WILL step in when you or anyone else tries to tell someone "their"
interpretation of the law as written by bill , you continue to preach it and
evade proving anything by backing up your self-righteous claims .

hey , i know kurt just because i've been here since the release of xp and
its activation and eula . seems anyone here that actually aggrees with him
is now considered a kurt groupie , lol . too funny . you've elevated him to
what ? rock star status ? did any of you actually think there may be others
that actually have a f'ing clue that MS DOESN'T write the law ?

ok , once and for all . put up or shut up . where in the oem eula does it
say that you can't upgrade the motherboard ?


  #27  
Old March 4th 05, 01:36 AM
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Leythos wrote:
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:44:57 -0500, Woody wrote:

maybe MS should contact Webster and ask that the definition of
consumer activist be changed to troll .


There is a difference between being a consumer advocate and what is
sometimes posted by some in this group.

A troll is one that disrupts a group.


LOL! That's what the Brits said about Ben Franklin and the rest of our
founding fathers.

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  #28  
Old March 4th 05, 01:42 AM
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Leythos wrote:
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:27:26 -0500, Woody wrote:

hey , all you have to do is stop responding , but you don't .


Woody, if you look at the number of posts related to this today, and
the ones from the prior days, I think you will find that this was my
first reply into this crap today. I only entered to respond to your
post.

If you can't follow the information provide - then shut-up.

Button


Avoidance Noted.

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  #29  
Old March 4th 05, 01:43 AM
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yea know , i actually like you . you post here on a linux box , and give
people a clue that there really is an alternative to windows . all your
other posts are informative . i just can't understand this blind loyalty you
have in telling people things that aren't based on fact or law .


  #30  
Old March 4th 05, 01:43 AM
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lol


 




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