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Rules about copies of XP?
The XP install CD is the only start-up disk required. It is bootable.
"Laurel" wrote in message ... Thanks for the very helpful link. It did, however, leave me with a couple of remaining questions. This article assumes that I have a "startup disk." I have nothing. The PC was given to my granddaughter, but no disks of any sort for the old operating system (XP home). The hard drive is partitioned (C and D). XP/ME is installed on the C partition, and XP/Pro is installed on the D partition. Since I don't want to revert to 95 or 98 (another assumption the article seems to make), can I just right mouse on the C drive (containing XP/ME) and click format? While logged onto XP/Pro, which lives on the D drive, of course. XP/ME is flakey, which is one reason for installing the new OS. I don't know if there's an upgrade option from ME to Pro, but it didn't seem advisable. For "flakiness" symptoms, see my other posting, "Content Advisor is broken." "Michael Stevens" wrote in message ... In , Laurel respectfully replied ;-) How do I remove the OS from the first computer? Format it. Click on the link below, or copy and paste the link into the address box if using the web based newsgroup. How do I deactivate, move to another computer or sell a previously activated XP? #06 on the FAQ list http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html -- Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP http://www.michaelstevenstech.com For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader. http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/ou...snewreader.htm "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message ... Laurel; 1. You can install your retail Windows XP on the new computer as long as you remove it from the first. Activation should not be a problem. 2. You have been told wrong. Some versions of Microsoft Office allow multiple installations but no versions of retail Windows allow more than one installation at a time. Read your specific EULA for details: Start/Run Type "winver" ENTER Click "End-User..." to access the EULA. -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Laurel" wrote in message ... What are the rules for installing XP Pro on multiple PCs? 1 - If you get a new PC, obviously you have to re-install. Do you get into difficulties by "activating your system" more than once? 2 - I've been told that it's perfectly OK to install Windows on your home PC and your laptop. Actually, I've been told that 3 installations is the legal limit. Is this true? |
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NO!. it does not "compare" to the web. It generates a "secret" code based
on several aspects of the hardware with the one sent for activation. If too many changes occur, the allowed count for changes, would push for a re-activate request. "Laurel" wrote in message ... There is no "legal limit." There is just the limits MS tries to impose in the privacy of your home, and the limit of reality. MS's legally unsubstantiated EULA claim is that they only allow installation of XP on one computer. The limit of reality is that you can get away with installing it on ALL of YOUR PCs. Through activation, MS cannot determine what specific computer or computer components XP is installed on, so unless you actually tell MS that XP is installed on more than one computer, they have no way of knowing. My understanding of how this works is that 1 - "Activate" stores 10 different aspects of your PC hardware configuration in a database 2 - If you don't "activate" within 30 days, you can't run Windows 3 - When you boot your PC (if connected to the web.... not clear about what happens if you're not connected), it compares the database with your current PC. If it's different, you can't run Windows except to back up. Then you call MicroSoft to explain If these are all facts, then I don't see how you could run multiple PCs simultaneously off the same copy of Windows?? Please advise. TIA LAS -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Laurel typed: My understanding of how this works is that 1 - "Activate" stores 10 different aspects of your PC hardware configuration in a database 2 - If you don't "activate" within 30 days, you can't run Windows Except in Safe Mode. 3 - When you boot your PC (if connected to the web.... not clear about what happens if you're not connected), Whether connected or not, the comparison is to the activation info stored on your computer. Read MVP Alex Nichol's Article "Windows Product Activation (WPA) on Windows XP" at http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm it compares the database with your current PC. If it's different, you can't run Windows except to back up. Then you call MicroSoft to explain -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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Laurel wrote:
There is no "legal limit." There is just the limits MS tries to impose in the privacy of your home, and the limit of reality. MS's legally unsubstantiated EULA claim is that they only allow installation of XP on one computer. The limit of reality is that you can get away with installing it on ALL of YOUR PCs. Through activation, MS cannot determine what specific computer or computer components XP is installed on, so unless you actually tell MS that XP is installed on more than one computer, they have no way of knowing. My understanding of how this works is that 1 - "Activate" stores 10 different aspects of your PC hardware configuration in a database The wpa.dbl file on your computer. What is sent to MS is only a encrypted snapshot of that database plus the Product ID, not the entire WPA database, and it cannot be backward calculated by Microsoft. 2 - If you don't "activate" within 30 days, you can't run Windows Not true entirely true. You can activate after the 30 days by going into Safe Mode and taking the phone option to activate. 3 - When you boot your PC (if connected to the web.... not clear about what happens if you're not connected), it compares the database with your current PC. If it's different, you can't run Windows except to back up. Only within the first 120 days from the last activation, and then all you have to do is phone MS, and tell them you upgraded your computer. After 120 days since the last activation, you should be activated just like the first time over the internet. MS resets the Activation info every 120 days. Then you call MicroSoft to explain Yes. If you tell them it is installed on more than one computer, then they won't activate you. If you tell them you upgrade YOUR computer, then they have to take your word for it. MS doesn't know what actual computer, or computer components any copy of XP is installed on. All activation tells them is that components have changed. If these are all facts, They aren't the complete facts. then I don't see how you could run multiple PCs simultaneously off the same copy of Windows?? I think you should have a better idea how activation really works now. People, like Jupiter, go around spouting the "EULA Über Alles," but notice he doesn't dispute my explanation about how activation really works. That's because it is the reality of how it really works. Please advise. TIA LAS -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Laurel;
It is possible to install and run on multiple computers. But it violates the EULA you have agreed to do so. Like most things, there are ways for those without integrity to violate the agreement. 1. Close enough 2. Exactly 3. not unless you want the computer to activate. Your computer does not phone home on a routine basis to check validity. The data used to verify activation is stored on your computer. See this about Activation: http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm And: http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation.mspx -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Laurel" wrote in message My understanding of how this works is that 1 - "Activate" stores 10 different aspects of your PC hardware configuration in a database 2 - If you don't "activate" within 30 days, you can't run Windows 3 - When you boot your PC (if connected to the web.... not clear about what happens if you're not connected), it compares the database with your current PC. If it's different, you can't run Windows except to back up. Then you call MicroSoft to explain If these are all facts, then I don't see how you could run multiple PCs simultaneously off the same copy of Windows?? Please advise. TIA LAS |
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Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
"Laurel" wrote in message My understanding of how this works is that 1 - "Activate" stores 10 different aspects of your PC hardware configuration in a database 2 - If you don't "activate" within 30 days, you can't run Windows 3 - When you boot your PC (if connected to the web.... not clear about what happens if you're not connected), it compares the database with your current PC. If it's different, you can't run Windows except to back up. Then you call MicroSoft to explain If these are all facts, then I don't see how you could run multiple PCs simultaneously off the same copy of Windows?? Please advise. TIA LAS Laurel; It is possible to install and run on multiple computers. But it violates the EULA you have agreed to do so. Like most things, there are ways for those without integrity to violate the agreement. You mean like MS trying to rewrite an individuals "fair use" rights to the copy of copyrighted software that was legally sold to them in a POST-SALE Shrink-wrap License? 1. Close enough 2. Exactly 3. not unless you want the computer to activate. Huh? Your computer does not phone home on a routine basis to check validity. The data used to verify activation is stored on your computer. See this about Activation: http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm And: http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation.mspx And http://microscum.com/mmpafaq/ -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Like most things, there are ways for those without integrity to violate the
agreement. i just love the high and mighty attitude . anyone that disagrees with anything here is totally lacking integrity . anyone here that disagrees with MS's eula is a thief . anyone that doesn't kiss MS's and your ass's is a troll . **** maybe MS should contact Webster and ask that the definition of consumer activist be changed to troll . |
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"Yves Leclerc" wrote in message ... NO!. it does not "compare" to the web. It generates a "secret" code based on several aspects of the hardware with the one sent for activation. If too many changes occur, the allowed count for changes, would push for a re-activate request. OK, but whatever it compares your configuration with is not on your PC, right? "Laurel" wrote in message ... There is no "legal limit." There is just the limits MS tries to impose in the privacy of your home, and the limit of reality. MS's legally unsubstantiated EULA claim is that they only allow installation of XP on one computer. The limit of reality is that you can get away with installing it on ALL of YOUR PCs. Through activation, MS cannot determine what specific computer or computer components XP is installed on, so unless you actually tell MS that XP is installed on more than one computer, they have no way of knowing. My understanding of how this works is that 1 - "Activate" stores 10 different aspects of your PC hardware configuration in a database 2 - If you don't "activate" within 30 days, you can't run Windows 3 - When you boot your PC (if connected to the web.... not clear about what happens if you're not connected), it compares the database with your current PC. If it's different, you can't run Windows except to back up. Then you call MicroSoft to explain If these are all facts, then I don't see how you could run multiple PCs simultaneously off the same copy of Windows?? Please advise. TIA LAS -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Whether connected or not, the comparison is to the activation info stored on your computer. OK, I think I'm beginnign to get this. If you install Windows on a a different computer, then there is no secret code generated and stored on your computer. That has to happen when you "activate." Now - where does the "you have to call Microsoft" come in? How does Microsoft know you're doing this for the second (or third or fourth) time? Read MVP Alex Nichol's Article "Windows Product Activation (WPA) on Windows XP" at http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm it compares the database with your current PC. If it's different, you can't run Windows except to back up. Then you call MicroSoft to explain -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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Rules about copies of XP?
No Kurt, you should read for a change.
Microsoft may have written the agreement, but it is a choice the user makes to accept the agreement. If the terms are unacceptable, do not agree. Make your choice Agree or not and then act accordingly. If you agree and then violate an agreement, that makes a person a liar. No rights are lost, in fact just the opposite. Until it is agreed to, there are no rights to use it. Once it is agreed, then there are rights to use. Rights that did not exist prior to the agreement. I guess you consider the ability to legally use something more restrictive than no use at all. But this goes against the idea you have that companies such as Microsoft should work and give to you on your terms while you are unwilling to do the same with whatever you produce. Nice one way street you have made. -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "kurttrail" wrote in message You mean like MS trying to rewrite an individuals "fair use" rights to the copy of copyrighted software that was legally sold to them in a POST-SALE Shrink-wrap License? -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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A troll is one that disrupts a group.
hey , all you have to do is stop responding , but you don't . while i WILL step in when you or anyone else tries to tell someone "their" interpretation of the law as written by bill , you continue to preach it and evade proving anything by backing up your self-righteous claims . hey , i know kurt just because i've been here since the release of xp and its activation and eula . seems anyone here that actually aggrees with him is now considered a kurt groupie , lol . too funny . you've elevated him to what ? rock star status ? did any of you actually think there may be others that actually have a f'ing clue that MS DOESN'T write the law ? ok , once and for all . put up or shut up . where in the oem eula does it say that you can't upgrade the motherboard ? |
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Leythos wrote:
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:44:57 -0500, Woody wrote: maybe MS should contact Webster and ask that the definition of consumer activist be changed to troll . There is a difference between being a consumer advocate and what is sometimes posted by some in this group. A troll is one that disrupts a group. LOL! That's what the Brits said about Ben Franklin and the rest of our founding fathers. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Leythos wrote:
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:27:26 -0500, Woody wrote: hey , all you have to do is stop responding , but you don't . Woody, if you look at the number of posts related to this today, and the ones from the prior days, I think you will find that this was my first reply into this crap today. I only entered to respond to your post. If you can't follow the information provide - then shut-up. Button Avoidance Noted. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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yea know , i actually like you . you post here on a linux box , and give
people a clue that there really is an alternative to windows . all your other posts are informative . i just can't understand this blind loyalty you have in telling people things that aren't based on fact or law . |
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lol
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