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On Sun, 26 May 2019 11:02:53 -0600, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote: wrote: I am finally reaching the point that too many things are not supporting XP and I am moving over to the dark side. I didn't see a W/7 group anywhere near this one in the list. If you want, just make sure you're using the latest XP versions of FF (52.9esr) and Chrome (49.0), and you might get a little more mileage with XP, in so far as browser limitations are as a limiting factor. Programs are obviously another matter. BTW, you'll probably want to consider adding Classic Shell to Windows 7 once you get there. Is that something else or just clicking classic in the personalization (or whatever). I did do that and things got more familiar. I do have one machine on 7 now that seems fairly usable for my day to day. The other 2 are just used as media machines and I don't really do much else with them. (hooked to TVs) My problem is the new FF 52.9 still will not stream a lot of stuff. It was easier to just go dig out the original W/7 drives that were in them when I got them and boot them up. I poked around in the alt W/7 group and saw them talking about PC Mover. Can you really port over all of your XP installed stuff to 7 with that? (assuming it will run on 7) Is there a legacy mode that will let you run them? I was really happy that my long lost buddy Attila the Hungarian wrote his 20th century DOS MP3 player so it would run on 7 without doing anything extra. That was just a "copy and run it" thing. |
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On Sun, 26 May 2019 12:24:20 -0500, Paul in Houston TX
wrote: wrote: I am finally reaching the point that too many things are not supporting XP and I am moving over to the dark side. I didn't see a W/7 group anywhere near this one in the list. alt.windows7.general You will probably like W7. If you have 16 bit progs that you want to run then install the 7/32 bit version. However, I would install the 64 bit and increase RAM to get the most functionality out of W7. Might want to get ClassicShell / Classic Start Menu. Research how to create a Quick Launch tool bar. And get rid of the libraries except for "My Documents". The machines I have shipped with the 32 bit w/7 OS. That is what I am using. I put another drive in them when I went back to XP so it was easy to get up to 7 again. Just swap drives. They are all some kind of dual core so I guess they might run 64 bit if I saw the need. Seven seems tolerable, people say 8 is not worth doing and I hate 10. I may die running 7 as long as they still have a browser that works on media files. Since Microsoft is pretty much telling us they are going to a subscription service, I suspect there may be other options soon besides linux. |
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On Sun, 26 May 2019 13:52:42 -0600, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote: wrote: On Sun, 26 May 2019 11:02:53 -0600, "Bill in Co" surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote: wrote: I am finally reaching the point that too many things are not supporting XP and I am moving over to the dark side. I didn't see a W/7 group anywhere near this one in the list. If you want, just make sure you're using the latest XP versions of FF (52.9esr) and Chrome (49.0), and you might get a little more mileage with XP, in so far as browser limitations are as a limiting factor. Programs are obviously another matter. BTW, you'll probably want to consider adding Classic Shell to Windows 7 once you get there. Is that something else or just clicking classic in the personalization (or whatever). I did do that and things got more familiar. I do have one machine on 7 now that seems fairly usable for my day to day. The other 2 are just used as media machines and I don't really do much else with them. (hooked to TVs) My problem is the new FF 52.9 still will not stream a lot of stuff. It was easier to just go dig out the original W/7 drives that were in them when I got them and boot them up. I poked around in the alt W/7 group and saw them talking about PC Mover. Can you really port over all of your XP installed stuff to 7 with that? (assuming it will run on 7) Is there a legacy mode that will let you run them? I was really happy that my long lost buddy Attila the Hungarian wrote his 20th century DOS MP3 player so it would run on 7 without doing anything extra. That was just a "copy and run it" thing. Here is a link for Classic Shell: http://www.classicshell.net/ When FF fails to work properly on some sites, I fall back to Chrome, which might work for your streaming issue. There is also the possibility of needing some additional codec software for FF to enable some better video playback capabilities, but that can get a bit complicated to track down and resolve. I figured out it was just easier to load 7 on my media machines than try to jury rig XP to run all of those things that black box and say "Upgrade your browser". PC Mover does let you port your XP stuff over to Windows 7, or at least the old versions of PC Mover did. Not sure if the latest version does, so you would have to find an older version on eBay. My guess is the current version won't, since Laplink most likely doesn't want to "support" XP transitions anymore. Can't you just have both drives in the machine and let mover move it .... or use the LAN? I guess I will have to do more digging on this myself. I just heard about it today. |
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On Sun, 26 May 2019 13:52:42 -0600, "Bill in Co" surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote: wrote: On Sun, 26 May 2019 11:02:53 -0600, "Bill in Co" surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote: wrote: I am finally reaching the point that too many things are not supporting XP and I am moving over to the dark side. I didn't see a W/7 group anywhere near this one in the list. If you want, just make sure you're using the latest XP versions of FF (52.9esr) and Chrome (49.0), and you might get a little more mileage with XP, in so far as browser limitations are as a limiting factor. Programs are obviously another matter. BTW, you'll probably want to consider adding Classic Shell to Windows 7 once you get there. Is that something else or just clicking classic in the personalization (or whatever). I did do that and things got more familiar. I do have one machine on 7 now that seems fairly usable for my day to day. The other 2 are just used as media machines and I don't really do much else with them. (hooked to TVs) My problem is the new FF 52.9 still will not stream a lot of stuff. It was easier to just go dig out the original W/7 drives that were in them when I got them and boot them up. I poked around in the alt W/7 group and saw them talking about PC Mover. Can you really port over all of your XP installed stuff to 7 with that? (assuming it will run on 7) Is there a legacy mode that will let you run them? I was really happy that my long lost buddy Attila the Hungarian wrote his 20th century DOS MP3 player so it would run on 7 without doing anything extra. That was just a "copy and run it" thing. Here is a link for Classic Shell: http://www.classicshell.net/ When FF fails to work properly on some sites, I fall back to Chrome, which might work for your streaming issue. There is also the possibility of needing some additional codec software for FF to enable some better video playback capabilities, but that can get a bit complicated to track down and resolve. I figured out it was just easier to load 7 on my media machines than try to jury rig XP to run all of those things that black box and say "Upgrade your browser". PC Mover does let you port your XP stuff over to Windows 7, or at least the old versions of PC Mover did. Not sure if the latest version does, so you would have to find an older version on eBay. My guess is the current version won't, since Laplink most likely doesn't want to "support" XP transitions anymore. Can't you just have both drives in the machine and let mover move it ... or use the LAN? I guess I will have to do more digging on this myself. I just heard about it today. PC Mover is in charge of the process, and what it will and will not install on - it's not a dumb file copy process. The way it worked for me was with the specially supplied USB cable connecting the two PCs together. The process took a bit of time (both setting up correctly and running), and wasn't completely seemless, in that a few apps still had to be "reinstalled" due to some licensing issues or whatever, but most did not. And keep in mind it's locked to the original PCs it's installed on. I think you have to have two separate PC's for it to work. Just go to their web site and read more about it. I just looked, and it seems the current version can indeed work on XP (for the source). The user manuals are there too. https://web.laplink.com/pcmover_feature_overview/ |
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On Sun, 26 May 2019 15:35:25 -0600, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote: wrote: On Sun, 26 May 2019 13:52:42 -0600, "Bill in Co" surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote: wrote: On Sun, 26 May 2019 11:02:53 -0600, "Bill in Co" surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote: wrote: I am finally reaching the point that too many things are not supporting XP and I am moving over to the dark side. I didn't see a W/7 group anywhere near this one in the list. If you want, just make sure you're using the latest XP versions of FF (52.9esr) and Chrome (49.0), and you might get a little more mileage with XP, in so far as browser limitations are as a limiting factor. Programs are obviously another matter. BTW, you'll probably want to consider adding Classic Shell to Windows 7 once you get there. Is that something else or just clicking classic in the personalization (or whatever). I did do that and things got more familiar. I do have one machine on 7 now that seems fairly usable for my day to day. The other 2 are just used as media machines and I don't really do much else with them. (hooked to TVs) My problem is the new FF 52.9 still will not stream a lot of stuff. It was easier to just go dig out the original W/7 drives that were in them when I got them and boot them up. I poked around in the alt W/7 group and saw them talking about PC Mover. Can you really port over all of your XP installed stuff to 7 with that? (assuming it will run on 7) Is there a legacy mode that will let you run them? I was really happy that my long lost buddy Attila the Hungarian wrote his 20th century DOS MP3 player so it would run on 7 without doing anything extra. That was just a "copy and run it" thing. Here is a link for Classic Shell: http://www.classicshell.net/ When FF fails to work properly on some sites, I fall back to Chrome, which might work for your streaming issue. There is also the possibility of needing some additional codec software for FF to enable some better video playback capabilities, but that can get a bit complicated to track down and resolve. I figured out it was just easier to load 7 on my media machines than try to jury rig XP to run all of those things that black box and say "Upgrade your browser". PC Mover does let you port your XP stuff over to Windows 7, or at least the old versions of PC Mover did. Not sure if the latest version does, so you would have to find an older version on eBay. My guess is the current version won't, since Laplink most likely doesn't want to "support" XP transitions anymore. Can't you just have both drives in the machine and let mover move it ... or use the LAN? I guess I will have to do more digging on this myself. I just heard about it today. PC Mover is in charge of the process, and what it will and will not install on - it's not a dumb file copy process. The way it worked for me was with the specially supplied USB cable connecting the two PCs together. The process took a bit of time (both setting up correctly and running), and wasn't completely seemless, in that a few apps still had to be "reinstalled" due to some licensing issues or whatever, but most did not. And keep in mind it's locked to the original PCs it's installed on. I think you have to have two separate PC's for it to work. Just go to their web site and read more about it. I just looked, and it seems the current version can indeed work on XP (for the source). The user manuals are there too. https://web.laplink.com/pcmover_feature_overview/ Thanks I am talking to then now. They are telling me I need the pro version but they are selling me one for $48 |
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In message , Bill in Co
writes: wrote: On Sun, 26 May 2019 11:02:53 -0600, "Bill in Co" surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote: wrote: I am finally reaching the point that too many things are not supporting XP and I am moving over to the dark side. I didn't see a W/7 group anywhere near this one in the list. [] are obviously another matter. BTW, you'll probably want to consider adding Classic Shell to Windows 7 once you get there. +1 on Classic Shell. Is that something else or just clicking classic in the personalization Download and run - it's not part of 7, just something written by someone who got frustrated with the differences. Free (though IIRR he accepts donations [though development has stopped]; there's another one, called something like Start8 [often referred to in jest as StarDate], which costs something like $4.95 - said by most of its users to be better. I've found Classic Shell sufficient.) (or whatever). I did do that and things got more familiar. I do have I think that just affects themes - colour schemes and the like. Lets you turn off the Aero themes, which some people hate with a passion (the ones that make your title bars look a bit like fuzzy glass, so you can see what's behind them); I quite liked them, and only turned them off because they interfered with something (tooltip background colours [I have yellow text on brown], IIRR). one machine on 7 now that seems fairly usable for my day to day. If you mostly only _run_ things (browser, email, word processor, image and movie editor/viewer, ...), then what OS is underneath doesn't impinge on what you're doing much. [] I poked around in the alt W/7 group and saw them talking about PC Mover. Can you really port over all of your XP installed stuff to 7 with that? (assuming it will run on 7) Is there a legacy mode that will let you run them? I've not experienced PC Mover, but yes, there is a compatibility mode you can set - on a per-application basis: "Run as if under ..." (you can specify Vista, XP, or I think even earlier). It's very much a patch - it will make _some_ things runnable. By this stage, I've found _most_ of the software I like (IrfanView, Everything, AVP, Brother's Keeper, Firefox, Chrome, Office 2003, ...) run fine under 7 anyway; some I had to find a later version (though none of those listed). [] Here is a link for Classic Shell: http://www.classicshell.net/ When FF fails to work properly on some sites, I fall back to Chrome, which Me too (and still, under 7, as I like Firefox 27); or, "View | No Style" often gets round whatever isn't working. [] PC Mover does let you port your XP stuff over to Windows 7, or at least the old versions of PC Mover did. Not sure if the latest version does, so you would have to find an older version on eBay. My guess is the current version won't, since Laplink most likely doesn't want to "support" XP transitions anymore. Ah, a venerable name: I remember a "laplink cable" being one for transferring files between two PCs via the parallel ports! (There was also a serial one, but - in those days - the parallel went a lot more quickly.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Security is the perfect excuse to lock you out of your own computer. - Mayayana in alt.windows7.general, 2015-12-4 |
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In message , Bill in Co
writes: [] I've found many of the alt newsgroups unfortunately filled with trolls. It's really a pity, but just another sign of the times. alt.windows7.general so far isn't filled with them. There _are_ one or two (I think they post here too, at least some of them do), but they're easily killfiled (apart from one who keeps tweaking his posting identity - needs a clever kill rule). -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Security is the perfect excuse to lock you out of your own computer. - Mayayana in alt.windows7.general, 2015-12-4 |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Bill in Co writes: [] I've found many of the alt newsgroups unfortunately filled with trolls. It's really a pity, but just another sign of the times. alt.windows7.general so far isn't filled with them. There _are_ one or two (I think they post here too, at least some of them do), but they're easily killfiled (apart from one who keeps tweaking his posting identity - needs a clever kill rule). I was thinking of some of the science newsgroups that I once frequented. I think you're right about some of the OS ones. |
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On Sun, 26 May 2019 15:35:25 -0600, "Bill in Co" surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote: wrote: On Sun, 26 May 2019 13:52:42 -0600, "Bill in Co" surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote: wrote: On Sun, 26 May 2019 11:02:53 -0600, "Bill in Co" surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote: wrote: I am finally reaching the point that too many things are not supporting XP and I am moving over to the dark side. I didn't see a W/7 group anywhere near this one in the list. If you want, just make sure you're using the latest XP versions of FF (52.9esr) and Chrome (49.0), and you might get a little more mileage with XP, in so far as browser limitations are as a limiting factor. Programs are obviously another matter. BTW, you'll probably want to consider adding Classic Shell to Windows 7 once you get there. Is that something else or just clicking classic in the personalization (or whatever). I did do that and things got more familiar. I do have one machine on 7 now that seems fairly usable for my day to day. The other 2 are just used as media machines and I don't really do much else with them. (hooked to TVs) My problem is the new FF 52.9 still will not stream a lot of stuff. It was easier to just go dig out the original W/7 drives that were in them when I got them and boot them up. I poked around in the alt W/7 group and saw them talking about PC Mover. Can you really port over all of your XP installed stuff to 7 with that? (assuming it will run on 7) Is there a legacy mode that will let you run them? I was really happy that my long lost buddy Attila the Hungarian wrote his 20th century DOS MP3 player so it would run on 7 without doing anything extra. That was just a "copy and run it" thing. Here is a link for Classic Shell: http://www.classicshell.net/ When FF fails to work properly on some sites, I fall back to Chrome, which might work for your streaming issue. There is also the possibility of needing some additional codec software for FF to enable some better video playback capabilities, but that can get a bit complicated to track down and resolve. I figured out it was just easier to load 7 on my media machines than try to jury rig XP to run all of those things that black box and say "Upgrade your browser". PC Mover does let you port your XP stuff over to Windows 7, or at least the old versions of PC Mover did. Not sure if the latest version does, so you would have to find an older version on eBay. My guess is the current version won't, since Laplink most likely doesn't want to "support" XP transitions anymore. Can't you just have both drives in the machine and let mover move it ... or use the LAN? I guess I will have to do more digging on this myself. I just heard about it today. PC Mover is in charge of the process, and what it will and will not install on - it's not a dumb file copy process. The way it worked for me was with the specially supplied USB cable connecting the two PCs together. The process took a bit of time (both setting up correctly and running), and wasn't completely seemless, in that a few apps still had to be "reinstalled" due to some licensing issues or whatever, but most did not. And keep in mind it's locked to the original PCs it's installed on. I think you have to have two separate PC's for it to work. Just go to their web site and read more about it. I just looked, and it seems the current version can indeed work on XP (for the source). The user manuals are there too. https://web.laplink.com/pcmover_feature_overview/ Thanks I am talking to then now. They are telling me I need the pro version but they are selling me one for $48 Good. Just be prepared to spend a bit of time being careful in what you select to move over, when you look at all the program lists (which have checkboxes). And be sure to set aside enough time to do this whole thing, like perhaps a couple of hours or so (total time including setup, I mean). I used the supplied USB 2.0 Laplink cable for the transfer. In general, I was pretty happy with the results, as there was no way I wanted to install Windows 7 fresh and start all over again - not with the abundance of programs I've collected and installed over the past few decades. |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Bill in Co writes: wrote: On Sun, 26 May 2019 11:02:53 -0600, "Bill in Co" surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote: wrote: I am finally reaching the point that too many things are not supporting XP and I am moving over to the dark side. I didn't see a W/7 group anywhere near this one in the list. [] are obviously another matter. BTW, you'll probably want to consider adding Classic Shell to Windows 7 once you get there. +1 on Classic Shell. Is that something else or just clicking classic in the personalization Download and run - it's not part of 7, just something written by someone who got frustrated with the differences. Free (though IIRR he accepts donations [though development has stopped]; there's another one, called something like Start8 [often referred to in jest as StarDate], which costs something like $4.95 - said by most of its users to be better. I've found Classic Shell sufficient.) (or whatever). I did do that and things got more familiar. I do have I think that just affects themes - colour schemes and the like. Lets you turn off the Aero themes, which some people hate with a passion (the ones that make your title bars look a bit like fuzzy glass, so you can see what's behind them); I quite liked them, and only turned them off because they interfered with something (tooltip background colours [I have yellow text on brown], IIRR). one machine on 7 now that seems fairly usable for my day to day. If you mostly only _run_ things (browser, email, word processor, image and movie editor/viewer, ...), then what OS is underneath doesn't impinge on what you're doing much. [] I poked around in the alt W/7 group and saw them talking about PC Mover. Can you really port over all of your XP installed stuff to 7 with that? (assuming it will run on 7) Is there a legacy mode that will let you run them? I've not experienced PC Mover, but yes, there is a compatibility mode you can set - on a per-application basis: "Run as if under ..." (you can specify Vista, XP, or I think even earlier). It's very much a patch - it will make _some_ things runnable. By this stage, I've found _most_ of the software I like (IrfanView, Everything, AVP, Brother's Keeper, Firefox, Chrome, Office 2003, ...) run fine under 7 anyway; some I had to find a later version (though none of those listed). [] Here is a link for Classic Shell: http://www.classicshell.net/ When FF fails to work properly on some sites, I fall back to Chrome, which Me too (and still, under 7, as I like Firefox 27); or, "View | No Style" often gets round whatever isn't working. [] PC Mover does let you port your XP stuff over to Windows 7, or at least the old versions of PC Mover did. Not sure if the latest version does, so you would have to find an older version on eBay. My guess is the current version won't, since Laplink most likely doesn't want to "support" XP transitions anymore. Ah, a venerable name: I remember a "laplink cable" being one for transferring files between two PCs via the parallel ports! (There was also a serial one, but - in those days - the parallel went a lot more quickly.) It's USB 2.0, or maybe 3.0, now. I can't even imagine doing it with the serial port, timewise! Yup, that special Laplink cable, with the orange blob in the middle. And I think I corrected this to say that PC Mover will indeed work with Windows XP as the source PC, according to the spec sheet. The process wasn't perfectly seemless, but pretty close. :-) |
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