Mail 8.1

I have been using Live mail 2012 since Windows 8 came out , Windows 8
mail does not work with POP3 accts which I am on.
But finaly out of curiosity I set up a Gmail acct and set up Mail
through this account, It works and I can see My pop3 mail OK but This
mail program seems so simplistic and useless! am I expecting too much?
Do other people use it or like it?
I am going to dump it and continue using 2012 which I am used to, I use
Thunderbird as my newsreader.

Regards Rene

On 10/15/2014 10:14 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I have been using Live mail 2012 since Windows 8 came out , Windows 8
mail does not work with POP3 accts which I am on.
But finaly out of curiosity I set up a Gmail acct and set up Mail
through this account, It works and I can see My pop3 mail OK but This
mail program seems so simplistic and useless! am I expecting too much?
Do other people use it or like it?
I am going to dump it and continue using 2012 which I am used to, I use
Thunderbird as my newsreader.

Regards Rene
I use Thunderbird for both my Email and Newsgroups.
It did take a little while to get things to my liking, such as folders
for various correspondence and the message filters needed so the mail
actually goes into those folders.

For me the early Thunderbird versions would choke on any little problem
line problem and "forget" the password needed to access individual
accounts. Now it just complains or asks for a new password but I ignore
it and it uses the same password on the next try.

I am using it for accounts on Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo, and Outlook among
others, all using POP3. I suspect I might be grandfathered in one or
two of them as I don't pay for POP3 access at any of them.

Thunderbird will also do Imap as well but I never liked it personally so
I just stuck to the POP3.

Anyway if you tell your current email program and or server to leave the
mail on the server and not delete it after downloading it you can test
your present mailboxes with Thunderbird and your present mail program
just to see if it can be tailored to what you like.

GlowingBlueMist wrote on 10/15/2014 12:10 PM:
On 10/15/2014 10:14 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I have been using Live mail 2012 since Windows 8 came out , Windows 8
mail does not work with POP3 accts which I am on.
But finaly out of curiosity I set up a Gmail acct and set up Mail
through this account, It works and I can see My pop3 mail OK but This
mail program seems so simplistic and useless! am I expecting too much?
Do other people use it or like it?
I am going to dump it and continue using 2012 which I am used to, I use
Thunderbird as my newsreader.

Regards Rene
I use Thunderbird for both my Email and Newsgroups.
It did take a little while to get things to my liking, such as folders
for various correspondence and the message filters needed so the mail
actually goes into those folders.

For me the early Thunderbird versions would choke on any little problem
line problem and "forget" the password needed to access individual
accounts. Now it just complains or asks for a new password but I ignore
it and it uses the same password on the next try.

I am using it for accounts on Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo, and Outlook among
others, all using POP3. I suspect I might be grandfathered in one or
two of them as I don't pay for POP3 access at any of them.

Thunderbird will also do Imap as well but I never liked it personally so
I just stuck to the POP3.

Anyway if you tell your current email program and or server to leave the
mail on the server and not delete it after downloading it you can test
your present mailboxes with Thunderbird and your present mail program
just to see if it can be tailored to what you like.

How to Geek newsletter recently had an article about pop being outdated
and everyone should go IMAP. So I made a new profile in TB and tried
setting up all my accounts as IMAP. And it worked for Gmail, Hotmail,
Yahoo. but I have Verizon and they don't support it.

But I saw no benefit in IMAP. Actually it was a bit more complex. And
seeing that I have no smart phone or tablet, that needs to be synced
then it really has no bearing. But for the OP, TB will do IMAP on all
those servers easily.

Big Al wrote:
GlowingBlueMist wrote on 10/15/2014 12:10 PM:
On 10/15/2014 10:14 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I have been using Live mail 2012 since Windows 8 came out , Windows 8
mail does not work with POP3 accts which I am on.
But finaly out of curiosity I set up a Gmail acct and set up Mail
through this account, It works and I can see My pop3 mail OK but This
mail program seems so simplistic and useless! am I expecting too much?
Do other people use it or like it?
I am going to dump it and continue using 2012 which I am used to, I use
Thunderbird as my newsreader.

Regards Rene
I use Thunderbird for both my Email and Newsgroups.
It did take a little while to get things to my liking, such as folders
for various correspondence and the message filters needed so the mail
actually goes into those folders.

For me the early Thunderbird versions would choke on any little problem
line problem and "forget" the password needed to access individual
accounts. Now it just complains or asks for a new password but I ignore
it and it uses the same password on the next try.

I am using it for accounts on Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo, and Outlook among
others, all using POP3. I suspect I might be grandfathered in one or
two of them as I don't pay for POP3 access at any of them.

Thunderbird will also do Imap as well but I never liked it personally so
I just stuck to the POP3.

Anyway if you tell your current email program and or server to leave the
mail on the server and not delete it after downloading it you can test
your present mailboxes with Thunderbird and your present mail program
just to see if it can be tailored to what you like.

How to Geek newsletter recently had an article about pop being outdated
and everyone should go IMAP. So I made a new profile in TB and tried
setting up all my accounts as IMAP. And it worked for Gmail, Hotmail,
Yahoo. but I have Verizon and they don't support it.

But I saw no benefit in IMAP. Actually it was a bit more complex. And
seeing that I have no smart phone or tablet, that needs to be synced
then it really has no bearing. But for the OP, TB will do IMAP on all
those servers easily.

That darn POP3. I hate stuff that "just works".
I want to use stuff that's broken... :-)

Paul

On 10/15/2014 1:26 PM, Paul wrote:
Big Al wrote:
GlowingBlueMist wrote on 10/15/2014 12:10 PM:
On 10/15/2014 10:14 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I have been using Live mail 2012 since Windows 8 came out , Windows 8
mail does not work with POP3 accts which I am on.
But finaly out of curiosity I set up a Gmail acct and set up Mail
through this account, It works and I can see My pop3 mail OK but This
mail program seems so simplistic and useless! am I expecting too much?
Do other people use it or like it?
I am going to dump it and continue using 2012 which I am used to, I use
Thunderbird as my newsreader.

Regards Rene
I use Thunderbird for both my Email and Newsgroups.
It did take a little while to get things to my liking, such as folders
for various correspondence and the message filters needed so the mail
actually goes into those folders.

For me the early Thunderbird versions would choke on any little problem
line problem and "forget" the password needed to access individual
accounts. Now it just complains or asks for a new password but I ignore
it and it uses the same password on the next try.

I am using it for accounts on Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo, and Outlook among
others, all using POP3. I suspect I might be grandfathered in one or
two of them as I don't pay for POP3 access at any of them.

Thunderbird will also do Imap as well but I never liked it personally so
I just stuck to the POP3.

Anyway if you tell your current email program and or server to leave the
mail on the server and not delete it after downloading it you can test
your present mailboxes with Thunderbird and your present mail program
just to see if it can be tailored to what you like.

How to Geek newsletter recently had an article about pop being
outdated and everyone should go IMAP. So I made a new profile in TB
and tried setting up all my accounts as IMAP. And it worked for
Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo. but I have Verizon and they don't support it.

But I saw no benefit in IMAP. Actually it was a bit more complex.
And seeing that I have no smart phone or tablet, that needs to be
synced then it really has no bearing. But for the OP, TB will do
IMAP on all those servers easily.

That darn POP3. I hate stuff that "just works".
I want to use stuff that's broken... :-)

Paul



Yep, Been on Shawcable POP3 since 1995 and I have never seen, heard or
smelled it, It just seems to be there in the background doing its job, :-))

Regards, Rene

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I have been using Live mail 2012 since Windows 8 came out , Windows 8
mail does not work with POP3 accts which I am on.
But finaly out of curiosity I set up a Gmail acct and set up Mail
through this account, It works and I can see My pop3 mail OK but This
mail program seems so simplistic and useless! am I expecting too much?
Do other people use it or like it?
I am going to dump it and continue using 2012 which I am used to, I use
Thunderbird as my newsreader.

Regards Rene

Win 8x Mail client never has supported POP3 and will most likely never will.
Win10 Mail client is unlikely to support POP3 too.

Supported protocols are EAS and IMAP

Gmail is capable of IMAP in Win8x mail client.
Gmail can be used to aggregate other POP3 accounts into Gmail allowing
Win8x mail client to pull(sync) down the aggregated content.

Likewise, all MSFT accounts of the form Hotmail/Live/MSN/Outlook.com can
be used to aggregate POP3 mail (even auto-filtered via rule to user
created folders upon receipt to the MSFT account Inbox).

While Windows Live Mail 2012 (part of Windows Essentials 2012 suite)
supports POP3, IMAP and Http(DeltaSync)....just like Windows 8x. mail
client...its design intent is for use with MSFT accounts (Hotmail, Msn,
Live, Outlook.com) due to integration and synchronization t across apps,
applications contacts, calendar that are mirrored services in the MSFT
account web UI.

Just like the design intent noted above...using a MSFT
(Hotmail/Live/MSn/Outlook.com) for aggregating POP3 accounts, Win8x (and
most likely Win10) design intent is to use a MSFT account for Windows logon.


--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 10/16/14 4:48 AM, ...winston‫ wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I have been using Live mail 2012 since Windows 8 came out , Windows 8
mail does not work with POP3 accts which I am on.
But finaly out of curiosity I set up a Gmail acct and set up Mail
through this account, It works and I can see My pop3 mail OK but This
mail program seems so simplistic and useless! am I expecting too much?
Do other people use it or like it?
I am going to dump it and continue using 2012 which I am used to, I use
Thunderbird as my newsreader.

Regards Rene

Win 8x Mail client never has supported POP3 and will most likely never will.
Win10 Mail client is unlikely to support POP3 too.

Supported protocols are EAS and IMAP

Gmail is capable of IMAP in Win8x mail client.
Gmail can be used to aggregate other POP3 accounts into Gmail allowing
Win8x mail client to pull(sync) down the aggregated content.

Just an FYI, if you choose an email client that supports POP3, you can
set Gmail to be POP3 only, and get your email from Google.

Likewise, all MSFT accounts of the form Hotmail/Live/MSN/Outlook.com can
be used to aggregate POP3 mail (even auto-filtered via rule to user
created folders upon receipt to the MSFT account Inbox).

While Windows Live Mail 2012 (part of Windows Essentials 2012 suite)
supports POP3, IMAP and Http(DeltaSync)....just like Windows 8x. mail
client...its design intent is for use with MSFT accounts (Hotmail, Msn,
Live, Outlook.com) due to integration and synchronization t across apps,
applications contacts, calendar that are mirrored services in the MSFT
account web UI.

Just like the design intent noted above...using a MSFT
(Hotmail/Live/MSn/Outlook.com) for aggregating POP3 accounts, Win8x (and
most likely Win10) design intent is to use a MSFT account for Windows logon.

Ah, yes, the dreaded walled garden approach like Apple. :-)


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.6.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/16/14 4:48 AM, ...winston‫ wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:
I have been using Live mail 2012 since Windows 8 came out , Windows 8
mail does not work with POP3 accts which I am on.
But finaly out of curiosity I set up a Gmail acct and set up Mail
through this account, It works and I can see My pop3 mail OK but This
mail program seems so simplistic and useless! am I expecting too much?
Do other people use it or like it?
I am going to dump it and continue using 2012 which I am used to, I use
Thunderbird as my newsreader.

Regards Rene

Win 8x Mail client never has supported POP3 and will most likely never
will.
Win10 Mail client is unlikely to support POP3 too.

Supported protocols are EAS and IMAP

Gmail is capable of IMAP in Win8x mail client.
Gmail can be used to aggregate other POP3 accounts into Gmail allowing
Win8x mail client to pull(sync) down the aggregated content.

Just an FYI, if you choose an email client that supports POP3, you can
set Gmail to be POP3 only, and get your email from Google.

Likewise, all MSFT accounts of the form Hotmail/Live/MSN/Outlook.com can
be used to aggregate POP3 mail (even auto-filtered via rule to user
created folders upon receipt to the MSFT account Inbox).

While Windows Live Mail 2012 (part of Windows Essentials 2012 suite)
supports POP3, IMAP and Http(DeltaSync)....just like Windows 8x. mail
client...its design intent is for use with MSFT accounts (Hotmail, Msn,
Live, Outlook.com) due to integration and synchronization t across apps,
applications contacts, calendar that are mirrored services in the MSFT
account web UI.

Just like the design intent noted above...using a MSFT
(Hotmail/Live/MSn/Outlook.com) for aggregating POP3 accounts, Win8x (and
most likely Win10) design intent is to use a MSFT account for Windows
logon.

Ah, yes, the dreaded walled garden approach like Apple. :-)


And just like Apple...it's the source of telemetry(in fact - more than
sufficient for statistical sampling, correlation, etc.) on usage across
products and services with that data being used for planning and direction.



--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

I stopped using MS mail apps since MS claims they own your mail. Been
using Thunderbird for both POP3/IMAP without any issues for some time
now (since v3.x). I now use MesNews as newsreader because Tbird just
doesn't do it for me as well anymore! Not saying it's not a good
choice, though!g

--
Garry

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