Speak a common spelling error list (hints on demand)

On 8/30/17 12:08 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 12:45:30 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little"
wrote:
....

Well the way I was taught lunch is a midday meal and luncheon is a
*formal* midday meal.


"Lunch" is a verb and "luncheon" is a noun. At least that's the way it
used to be.

Maybe briefly. The OED dates the noun "lunch" to 1829 and the verb to
1823, but it also says the verb came from the noun.

(1829 is for the noun in the sense of a meal. It's attested back to the
16th century in the sense of "piece, hunk".)

Hardly anyone makes that distinction now;

I agree.

"lunch" has become a noun and "luncheon" is rarely used..
....

--
Jerry Friedman

On 8/31/2017 11:53 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
Ken Blake wrote:
"Jonathan N. Little" wrote:
..
Well the way I was taught lunch is a midday meal and luncheon is
a *formal* midday meal.

"Lunch" is a verb and "luncheon" is a noun. At least that's the way
it used to be.

Maybe briefly. The OED dates the noun "lunch" to 1829 and the verb
to 1823, but it also says the verb came from the noun.

(1829 is for the noun in the sense of a meal. It's attested back to
the 16th century in the sense of "piece, hunk".)

Thus feeding one of my long-term obsessions: connections between words
that end in "-ump", "-unch" "-unk", and "-unt". Lunch, lump, lunk;
bunch, bump, bunt; dump, dunk; hunch, hump, hunk; plump, plunk; punch,
pump, punt; stump, stunt; no doubt more.

Hardly anyone makes that distinction now;

I agree.

"lunch" has become a noun and "luncheon" is rarely used..
...

On 08/31/2017 10:53 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote:

[snip]

"lunch" has become a noun and "luncheon" is rarely used..
...


I hear "luncheon" occasionally. It's always some special event, not just
when you get something to eat.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"What the mind cannot believe the heart can finally never adore." Bishop
John Shelby Spong, Rescuing the Bible From Fundamentalism, (San
Fransisco: Harper Collins, 1991), p. 24.

"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
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On 08/31/2017 10:53 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
"lunch" has become a noun and "luncheon" is rarely used..

I hear "luncheon" occasionally. It's always some special event, not just
when you get something to eat.

And when it is referred to by an elderly maiden great-aunt, the word is
given three weighty syllables: LUN-shee-on :-) Never "LUN-shun".

On 09/01/2017 03:15 PM, NY wrote:
"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
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On 08/31/2017 10:53 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
"lunch" has become a noun and "luncheon" is rarely used..

I hear "luncheon" occasionally. It's always some special event, not
just when you get something to eat.

And when it is referred to by an elderly maiden great-aunt, the word is
given three weighty syllables: LUN-shee-on :-) Never "LUN-shun".

When I say "luncheon" the "ch" is obvious. It does NOT soundd like "sh".

--
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AM for 1 day).

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http://notstupid.us/

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from
religious conviction." -- Blaise Pascal

On 2/9/17 5:35 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 09/01/2017 03:15 PM, NY wrote:
"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
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On 08/31/2017 10:53 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
"lunch" has becomeÂ* a noun and "luncheon" is rarely used..

I hear "luncheon" occasionally. It's always some special event, not
just when you get something to eat.

And when it is referred to by an elderly maiden great-aunt, the word
is given three weighty syllables: LUN-shee-on :-)Â* Never "LUN-shun".

When I say "luncheon" the "ch" is obvious. It does NOT soundd like "sh".


I don't believe I've ever heard that, but there's always a first time.

--
Robert B. born England a long time ago;
Western Australia since 1972

On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 21:15:47 +0100, "NY" wrote:

"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
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On 08/31/2017 10:53 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
"lunch" has become a noun and "luncheon" is rarely used..

I hear "luncheon" occasionally. It's always some special event, not just
when you get something to eat.

And when it is referred to by an elderly maiden great-aunt, the word is
given three weighty syllables: LUN-shee-on :-) Never "LUN-shun".



I've never heard LUN-shee-on *or* LUN-shun. What I hear is LUN-chun.

On 02/09/17 06:15, NY wrote:
"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
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On 08/31/2017 10:53 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
"lunch" has become a noun and "luncheon" is rarely used..

I hear "luncheon" occasionally. It's always some special event, not
just when you get something to eat.

And when it is referred to by an elderly maiden great-aunt, the word is
given three weighty syllables: LUN-shee-on :-) Never "LUN-shun".

You still have those? Our maiden aunts were a product of the world wars,
when there was a shortage of men, so by now they're very thin on the ground.

Of course we also had single women who chose to live together "for
economy's sake" -- my first few years of life were spent in a boarding
house run by two such women -- but these days they're probably all out
of the closet.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

"Peter Moylan" wrote in message
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And when it is referred to by an elderly maiden great-aunt, the word is
given three weighty syllables: LUN-shee-on :-) Never "LUN-shun".

You still have those? Our maiden aunts were a product of the world wars,
when there was a shortage of men, so by now they're very thin on the
ground.

Of course we also had single women who chose to live together "for
economy's sake" -- my first few years of life were spent in a boarding
house run by two such women -- but these days they're probably all out of
the closet.

Yes, my grandpa had two sisters, one of whom never married. I don't know
why, or whether she ever had any romantic feelings for / relationships with
either men or women. She was "very old" (probably only about 75!) when I
knew her in the mid 60s when I was about 5. She came from typical
upper-middle-class stock on the *north-east* side of Leeds (the posh part!)
and spoke with a rather exaggerated accent.

Ah, just checked. She was born in 1891 so she'd have been in her mid
twenties during WWI. I wonder if she did have a boyfriend who was killed in
the war, and never met anyone else afterwards. How very sad if it's the
case. (For a very moving song about this situation, find Harvey Andrews'
"Margarita" on Youtube).

My grandma (wife of the grandpa mentioned above) had a brother who "lived
with a very special [male] friend". I remember vaguely overhearing heating
arguments when grandpa and grandma came round our house and I was supposed
to be upstairs asleep but was listening, ear pressed to the floor, and heard
wails of "It's disgusting" from grandma, probably as my fairly liberal
parents disagreed with grandpa and grandma who were very conservative. It
could well have been prompted by the change in British law in the late 60s
which made male-male gay sex no longer a crime; female-female was never a
crime, allegedly because Queen Victoria wouldn't sign such a law because she
didn't believe such things happened - though that's probably apocryphal.

On 2017-09-02 8:45 AM, NY wrote:
"Peter Moylan" wrote in message
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And when it is referred to by an elderly maiden great-aunt, the word is
given three weighty syllables: LUN-shee-on :-)Â* Never "LUN-shun".

You still have those? Our maiden aunts were a product of the world
wars, when there was a shortage of men, so by now they're very thin on
the ground.

Of course we also had single women who chose to live together "for
economy's sake" -- my first few years of life were spent in a boarding
house run by two such women -- but these days they're probably all out
of the closet.

Yes, my grandpa had two sisters, one of whom never married. I don't know
why, or whether she ever had any romantic feelings for / relationships
with either men or women. She was "very old" (probably only about 75!)
when I knew her in the mid 60s when I was about 5. She came from typical
upper-middle-class stock on the *north-east* side of Leeds (the posh
part!) and spoke with a rather exaggerated accent.

Ah, just checked. She was born in 1891 so she'd have been in her mid
twenties during WWI. I wonder if she did have a boyfriend who was killed
in the war, and never met anyone else afterwards. How very sad if it's
the case. (For a very moving song about this situation, find Harvey
Andrews' "Margarita" on Youtube).

My grandma (wife of the grandpa mentioned above) had a brother who
"lived with a very special [male] friend". I remember vaguely
overhearing heating arguments when grandpa and grandma came round our
house and I was supposed to be upstairs asleep but was listening, ear
pressed to the floor, and heard wails of "It's disgusting" from grandma,
probably as my fairly liberal parents disagreed with grandpa and grandma
who were very conservative. It could well have been prompted by the
change in British law in the late 60s which made male-male gay sex no
longer a crime; female-female was never a crime, allegedly because Queen
Victoria wouldn't sign such a law because she didn't believe such things
happened - though that's probably apocryphal.

My great-uncle never married, but had a good woman friend for many
years, until she died. This puzzled me as a child since in my limited
experience if you had a good friend of the opposite sex you married him
(or her), so of course I asked about it. I was told that she, like him,
was a professional, employed with the US government, and she couldn't be
married and have a career. Great-uncle was born in 1893, and the lady
was of his generation, so that does make sense.

--
Cheryl

On 2/9/17 9:40 pm, Wolf K wrote:
On 2017-09-02 07:15, NY wrote:
"Peter Moylan" wrote in message
news
And when it is referred to by an elderly maiden great-aunt, the word is
given three weighty syllables: LUN-shee-on :-)Â* Never "LUN-shun".

You still have those? Our maiden aunts were a product of the world
wars, when there was a shortage of men, so by now they're very thin
on the ground.

Of course we also had single women who chose to live together "for
economy's sake" -- my first few years of life were spent in a
boarding house run by two such women -- but these days they're
probably all out of the closet.

Yes, my grandpa had two sisters, one of whom never married. I don't
know why, or whether she ever had any romantic feelings for /
relationships with either men or women. She was "very old" (probably
only about 75!) when I knew her in the mid 60s when I was about 5. She
came from typical upper-middle-class stock on the *north-east* side of
Leeds (the posh part!) and spoke with a rather exaggerated accent.

I had two great-aunts whose fiances were killed in WW1. There was a
similar shortage of men after WW2. One of my primary school teachers
lost her fiance. She became very bitter, and took out her anger on her
pupils. Had to leave the profession.

That word "fiancés" looks so strange without its e acute. I read it
twice as "finances".

--
Robert B. born England a long time ago;
Western Australia since 1972