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  #16  
Old August 9th 17, 12:38 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default OT Remote TV Viewing

Paul wrote:
Oft wrote:
View live or recorded TV.

Location 1
Win 7 Pro with Media Center and Dual TV Tuner to roof antenna.
High speed internet up and down.


Location 2
Win 7 Pro PC
medium speed download internet.

what are ways to get
1) Media Center recordings from Location 1 to Location 2

2) Live TV from Location 1 to Location 2

Please consider all possible methods including buying additional
software and hardware.



You can try transcoding some of your existing collection with this.
I modified the command a bit, to convert the whole video (two hours
worth). Since the command here "implies" stream copying, this
should go as fast as the hard drives can go. I used two different
partitions here when making up a path, so that two different
hard drives could be used while copying.

http://www.dirkbertels.net/video/wtv.php

(unpack to C:\ffmpeg\bin first...)

cd \
cd C:\ffmpeg\bin

ffmpeg.exe -i C:\sample.wtv -vcodec copy -acodec copy -target
ntsc-dvd D:\sample.mpg

Then figure out a way to serve "sample.mpg" to some other media server
stuff.
Windows Media Player can stream, and I think VLC can stream,
amongst others.

FFMPEG can be obtained here. Use the release one
rather than the nightly, as the nightly seemed to have
some broken dependencies the last time I tested it.
On other occasions, I've had no trouble with the Zeranoe
stuff.

https://ffmpeg.zeranoe.com/builds/

Other programs in the package are ffplay

ffplay sample.wtv

and ffprobe. ffprobe can dump packets from the video,
which you don't need at the moment.

Paul


And if you don't have Media Center set up (I don't),
there is a sample file provided with my copy of Win7 Pro.

win7_scenic-demoshort_raw.wtv 9,699,328 bytes

Now, it's a miserable sample, like all samples of this sort,
but at least it allows you to see some of the metadata fields
included inside the video.

WM/WMRVContentProtected: false

That's why this one plays for me in ffplay, and
why I should be able to convert it to something else.

Some DTV channels mark the local news as "protected content",
so be prepared for surprises when it comes to converting
or streaming. Since there is no sample file with the
above item set to "true", there's no opportunity
to see whether the thing is really encrypted or not
for DRM purposes. It should be, just as some DVRs,
the hard drive contents are encrypted to prevent
re-purposing the captured contend.

Paul

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  #17  
Old August 9th 17, 09:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
(PeteCresswell)
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Default OT Remote TV Viewing

Per mike:
File size does matter when you have a thin pipe.
When you have a bigger file storing the same video duration,
you need a higher data rate to view/move it. Makes a difference
for remote viewing.
The OP didn't make it clear, but remote viewing often
takes place where internet throughput is less than optimum...like
a vacation home or cabin in the woods.


Sounds like SageTVPlaceShifter would be a better choice than the
HDHomeRun remote viewing utility then... since PlaceShifter dynamically
adjusts the transcoding/bitstreamwidth to the available bandwidth.

Unless, of course, the HDHomeRun utility does something similar....

Has anybody tried SiliconDust's (makers of HDHomeRun) DVR application
yet?
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  #18  
Old August 19th 17, 07:17 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default OT Remote TV Viewing

Oft wrote:
View live or recorded TV.

Location 1
Win 7 Pro with Media Center and Dual TV Tuner to roof antenna.
High speed internet up and down.


Location 2
Win 7 Pro PC
medium speed download internet.

what are ways to get
1) Media Center recordings from Location 1 to Location 2

2) Live TV from Location 1 to Location 2

Please consider all possible methods including buying additional
software and hardware.



Here's an article on doing (1). It uses WMC and WMP.

WMC and WMP, streaming.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/24588...ws_7_pc .html

http://www.pcworld.com/article/24588... .html?page=2

That article seems to use port 443 on the outside of the
router, implying transport encryption.

"It is highly recommended that you also map
external port 443 to internal port 10245"

And it needs some sort of "account", so that a login
dialog box will appear when you're sitting in Starbucks
with your laptop. The article is from 2011, and mentions
using a "LiveID", but by now that could be an MSA
or something.

And the following two exaoples, show how two TV channels
can broadcast a different stream setup for your recording.
I can play back a wtv unencrypted file, using FFMPEG kit.
But I have to select a particular stream, if I want it
to work a certain way.

*******

Stream #0:0[0xc](eng): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, 5.1(side), fltp, 384 kb/s
Stream #0:1[0xd](enm): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, stereo, fltp, 192 kb/s (hearing impaired)
Stream #0:2[0xe]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p(tv), 704x480, max. 24000 kb/s, 29.97 fps, 29.97 tbr, 10000k tbn, 59.94 tbc
Stream #0:3[0xffffffff]: Video: mjpeg, yuvj420p(pc, bt470bg/unknown/unknown), 200x113 [SAR 96:96 DAR 200:113], 90k tbr, 90k tbn, 90k tbc
Metadata: title : TV Thumbnail
Stream #0:4[0xf]: Subtitle: eia_608

ffplay -ast 1 -vst 2 -x 704 -7 480 some.wtv

*******

Stream #0:0[0x2f](eng): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, 5.1(side), fltp, 384 kb/s
Stream #0:1[0x30](enm): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, stereo, fltp, 192 kb/s (visual impaired)
Stream #0:2[0x31](eng): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, stereo, fltp, 192 kb/s
Stream #0:3[0x32]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p(tv), 704x480, 16999 kb/s, 29.97 fps, 29.97 tbr, 10000k tbn, 59.94 tbc
Stream #0:4[0x33]: Subtitle: eia_608
Stream #0:5[0xffffffff]: Video: mjpeg, yuvj420p(pc, bt470bg/unknown/unknown), 200x113 [SAR 96:96 DAR 200:113], 90k tbr, 90k tbn, 90k tbc
Metadata: title : TV Thumbnail

ffplay -ast 2 -vst 3 -x 704 -y 480 this.wtv

The purpose of me pointing that out, is if you use another streaming
solution (Serviio, Plex, or whatever), sometimes variations in
content like that could result in funny results on the streaming end.

Each streaming solution, can have its own issues. With Serviio,
when I tested it, I think Java had to be installed. It appears to
be used outside the home, a license is required.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serviio

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plex_(software) which suggests looking at

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodi_(software)

You could spend the rest of your life reading articles like that.

I think I had XBMC running here at one time, and I also
had Serviio running (but it wouldn't transcode the stuff
I was working with). It's going to be a challenge
doing this for free, getting it to work outside the
house, and grind up the .wtv files as appropriate.

But at least the materials are there to play with.

Paul
  #19  
Old August 19th 17, 08:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
David B.[_5_]
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Default OT Remote TV Viewing

On 19/08/2017 19:17, Paul wrote:
Oft wrote:
View live or recorded TV.

Location 1
Win 7 Pro with Media Center and Dual TV Tuner to roof antenna.
High speed internet up and down.


Location 2
Win 7 Pro PC
medium speed download internet.

what are ways to get
1) Media Center recordings from Location 1 to Location 2

2) Live TV from Location 1 to Location 2

Please consider all possible methods including buying additional
software and hardware.



Here's an article on doing (1). It uses WMC and WMP.

WMC and WMP, streaming.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/24588...ws_7_pc .html


http://www.pcworld.com/article/24588... .html?page=2


That article seems to use port 443 on the outside of the
router, implying transport encryption.

Â*Â* "It is highly recommended that you also map
Â*Â*Â* external port 443 to internal port 10245"

And it needs some sort of "account", so that a login
dialog box will appear when you're sitting in Starbucks
with your laptop. The article is from 2011, and mentions
using a "LiveID", but by now that could be an MSA
or something.

And the following two exaoples, show how two TV channels
can broadcast a different stream setup for your recording.
I can play back a wtv unencrypted file, using FFMPEG kit.
But I have to select a particular stream, if I want it
to work a certain way.

*******

Stream #0:0[0xc](eng): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, 5.1(side), fltp, 384 kb/s
Stream #0:1[0xd](enm): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, stereo, fltp, 192 kb/s
(hearing impaired)
Stream #0:2[0xe]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p(tv), 704x480, max. 24000
kb/s, 29.97 fps, 29.97 tbr, 10000k tbn, 59.94 tbc
Stream #0:3[0xffffffff]: Video: mjpeg, yuvj420p(pc,
bt470bg/unknown/unknown), 200x113 [SAR 96:96 DAR 200:113], 90k tbr, 90k
tbn, 90k tbc
Metadata: title : TV Thumbnail
Stream #0:4[0xf]: Subtitle: eia_608

ffplay -ast 1 -vst 2 -x 704 -7 480 some.wtv

*******

Stream #0:0[0x2f](eng): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, 5.1(side), fltp, 384 kb/s
Stream #0:1[0x30](enm): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, stereo, fltp, 192 kb/s
(visual impaired)
Stream #0:2[0x31](eng): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, stereo, fltp, 192 kb/s
Stream #0:3[0x32]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p(tv), 704x480, 16999 kb/s,
29.97 fps, 29.97 tbr, 10000k tbn, 59.94 tbc
Stream #0:4[0x33]: Subtitle: eia_608
Stream #0:5[0xffffffff]: Video: mjpeg, yuvj420p(pc,
bt470bg/unknown/unknown), 200x113 [SAR 96:96 DAR 200:113], 90k tbr, 90k
tbn, 90k tbc
Metadata: title : TV Thumbnail

ffplay -ast 2 -vst 3 -x 704 -y 480 this.wtv

The purpose of me pointing that out, is if you use another streaming
solution (Serviio, Plex, or whatever), sometimes variations in
content like that could result in funny results on the streaming end.

Each streaming solution, can have its own issues. With Serviio,
when I tested it, I think Java had to be installed. It appears to
be used outside the home, a license is required.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serviio

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plex_(software)Â*Â*Â* which suggests looking at

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodi_(software)

You could spend the rest of your life reading articles like that.

I think I had XBMC running here at one time, and I also
had Serviio running (but it wouldn't transcode the stuff
I was working with). It's going to be a challenge
doing this for free, getting it to work outside the
house, and grind up the .wtv files as appropriate.

But at least the materials are there to play with.

Â*Â* Paul


Thanks, Paul! :-D

--
"Do something wonderful, people may imitate it."
  #20  
Old August 29th 17, 07:12 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default OT Remote TV Viewing

Oft wrote:
View live or recorded TV.

Location 1
Win 7 Pro with Media Center and Dual TV Tuner to roof antenna.
High speed internet up and down.


Location 2
Win 7 Pro PC
medium speed download internet.

what are ways to get
1) Media Center recordings from Location 1 to Location 2

2) Live TV from Location 1 to Location 2

Please consider all possible methods including buying additional
software and hardware.



I got a chance to test "WinTV8 with Extend", which
works with Hauppauge tuners. I tested it on the LAN
segment, but the software claims to support usage through
a router (requires Port Forward of port 7799, or a different
port number if you want). One login scheme uses a "PIN".
I didn't set that part of it up.

-- 1.36Mbit/sec
+----------------------------+
| |
Web browser WinTV8 Extend
Adobe Flash HVR2255 dual tuner
192.168.1.2:7799 (Transcodes video, uses ~ 1 whole core)
Has channel selector (Converts MPEG to Flash ???)

I was able to install the software on the PC with the
HVR2255 dual tuner card. Then, on a second PC, use
a web browser with Adobe Flash loaded.

http://192.168.1.2:7799

The bandwidth required, if I were to use my 15/1 Mbit/sec ADSL
connection, it's 0.36Mbit/sec too much for the upload rate.
So I couldn't actually use this at a Starbucks. I would need
the 15/10 VDSL Internet service for a couple bucks per month more.
I would need slightly better Internet, for it to work well.

But, it works on my LAN, and it only took 10-15 minutes to set up.

This is the remote viewing end. The server running on the
machine with the tuner, you don't need to have any program
window on the screen of that machine, while the tuner is
being used remotely.

https://s26.postimg.org/7p5jwles9/remote.jpg

The software costs around $10 plus $5 for postage. It
took 10 days to get here via USPS. It's available
from Hauppauge ( http://www.hauppauge.com/ )

I expect, to your ISP, that will look like you're
running a web server. As it's streaming Flash packets.
It doesn't matter that it's on port 7799. That has
zero weight as far as the ISP is concerned.

And the serving end is running Win7, just to keep
this on topic :-)

Paul
  #21  
Old August 29th 17, 05:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
pjp[_10_]
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Default OT Remote TV Viewing

In article , lid says...

Oft wrote:
View live or recorded TV.

Location 1
Win 7 Pro with Media Center and Dual TV Tuner to roof antenna.
High speed internet up and down.


Location 2
Win 7 Pro PC
medium speed download internet.

what are ways to get
1) Media Center recordings from Location 1 to Location 2

2) Live TV from Location 1 to Location 2

Please consider all possible methods including buying additional
software and hardware.



I got a chance to test "WinTV8 with Extend", which
works with Hauppauge tuners. I tested it on the LAN
segment, but the software claims to support usage through
a router (requires Port Forward of port 7799, or a different
port number if you want). One login scheme uses a "PIN".
I didn't set that part of it up.

-- 1.36Mbit/sec
+----------------------------+
| |
Web browser WinTV8 Extend
Adobe Flash HVR2255 dual tuner
192.168.1.2:7799 (Transcodes video, uses ~ 1 whole core)
Has channel selector (Converts MPEG to Flash ???)

I was able to install the software on the PC with the
HVR2255 dual tuner card. Then, on a second PC, use
a web browser with Adobe Flash loaded.

http://192.168.1.2:7799

The bandwidth required, if I were to use my 15/1 Mbit/sec ADSL
connection, it's 0.36Mbit/sec too much for the upload rate.
So I couldn't actually use this at a Starbucks. I would need
the 15/10 VDSL Internet service for a couple bucks per month more.
I would need slightly better Internet, for it to work well.


That's nice to know but I'm po'd at Happauge for not allowing anyone to
update their software from Version 7 to Version 8 without paying. Got an
almost brand new 950Q Hybred Tuner of theirs and stuck at ver 7 that
came with it.

Also note - of 5 pcs I've tried (4 - 7, 1 XP) their software works
always. WMC only works on two of them, some unrecoverable error problem
after scanning channels on the other 3. Have no idea what problem is or
how to fix it.
 




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