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On 9/11/2017 12:19 PM, Peter Jason wrote:

Well, I'm sticking with IE11 because it's the devil I know.


IE is the standard browser to access Micro$oft services.

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On 10/11/2017 19:52, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 9/11/2017 12:19 PM, Peter Jason wrote:

Well, I'm sticking with IE11 because it's the devil I know.


IE is the standard browser to access Micro$oft services.

No! Not any more! It's 'EDGE'.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/microsoft-edge

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David B. wrote:
On 10/11/2017 19:52, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 9/11/2017 12:19 PM, Peter Jason wrote:

Well, I'm sticking with IE11 because it's the devil I know.


IE is the standard browser to access Micro$oft services.

No! Not any more! It's 'EDGE'.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/microsoft-edge

Not without ActiveX support it isn't.

Edge is now no better for MS Services, than any other browser.

IE11 supports ActiveX. Some web sites (the Windows Update kind),
used to use ActiveX plugins. No other browser supported those,
which made Internet Explorer "a lock". Now, MSEdge doesn't
have ActiveX, so is useless for situations involving
ActiveX.

Paul

On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 18:20:55 -0500, Paul wrote:

David B. wrote:
On 10/11/2017 19:52, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 9/11/2017 12:19 PM, Peter Jason wrote:

Well, I'm sticking with IE11 because it's the devil I know.


IE is the standard browser to access Micro$oft services.

No! Not any more! It's 'EDGE'.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/microsoft-edge

Not without ActiveX support it isn't.

Edge is now no better for MS Services, than any other browser.

IE11 supports ActiveX. Some web sites (the Windows Update kind),
used to use ActiveX plugins. No other browser supported those,
which made Internet Explorer "a lock". Now, MSEdge doesn't
have ActiveX, so is useless for situations involving
ActiveX.

In Edge there's a link to 'Open with Internet Explorer' for
additional functionality. Edge continues to improve, but is still
lacking in e.g. bookmark support, bookmarklets etc. But it is the
preferred MSFT 'goto' browser for home and business use.

"Paul" wrote

| IE is the standard browser to access Micro$oft services.
|
| No! Not any more! It's 'EDGE'.
| https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/microsoft-edge
|
| Not without ActiveX support it isn't.
|
| Edge is now no better for MS Services, than any other browser.

And also has the disadvantage of not being another
browser.

It's not only ActiveX that's gone. VBScript, quirks mode,
BHOs, MIME filters, Explorer bars....

https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/...t-attachevent/

Microsoft spent nearly 20 years adding clever (though
unsafe) functionality to IE. In IE11 it's broken but can
be partially retrieved through compatibility mode. VBS,
ActiveX and quirks mode are examples of functionality
that makes IE more powerful and more adaptable. For
years web designers have built around IE. With quirks
mode webpage rendering they could keep that code and
not have it break in newer versions of IE. Now that's
all gone. With quirks mode, the webpage author decides
whether a page should render the old way or according
to the latest changes in whatever version of IE someone
is using. The webpage author can no longer specify
rendering in IE11. The visitor must select compatibility
mode.

** The main difference between IE11 and Edge is that in
IE11 there's an option to bring back the functionality using
compatibility mode. In Edge it's just gone. **

Twenty years of web designers catering to Microsoft's
way of doing things, and now MS have broken all of it
in Edge.

Another notable aspect is the IE/Explorer tie-in. Edge
is the final end of Active Desktop. In a way that's good.
BHOs, Explorer Bars, Browser Extensions, MIME filters, etc
were all things that made IE unsafe as a browser online.
But the trick was not to use IE online. All of that functionality
make IE an amazing tool for writing small programs (HTAs)
and the whole Active Desktop IE/Explorer integration
provided creative flexibility in the Windows UI. I'm not
sure what the current state of shell extensions is in
Win10, but I'm guessing they're being phased out. Here's
the kind of thing that used to be easy to do:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...=vs.85%29.aspx

It's a complicated topic, but the IE tie-in made the
shell flexibility more extensive. For instance, I could
write a BHO to cause my Explorer Bar to load in all
Windows Explorer windows. Controlling Windows Explorer
was similar to controlling IE, through script or software.
But now BHOs are gone in Edge. IE11 is still there mainly
for corporate customers writing HTAs. So what does that
mean for shell extensions? Probably not a rosy future.

On Sat, 11 Nov 2017 12:55:19 +0000, mechanic
wrote:

In Edge there's a link to 'Open with Internet Explorer' for
additional functionality. Edge continues to improve, but is still
lacking in e.g. bookmark support, bookmarklets etc. But it is the
preferred MSFT 'goto' browser for home and business use.

Preferred by whom? I don't personally know anyone who admits to
preferring Edge.

As others have said, it's pretty awful as a browser, arguably the worst
of the lot.

On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 13:36:00 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:


On Sat, 11 Nov 2017 12:55:19 +0000, mechanic
wrote:


In Edge there's a link to 'Open with Internet Explorer' for
additional functionality. Edge continues to improve, but is still
lacking in e.g. bookmark support, bookmarklets etc. But it is the
preferred MSFT 'goto' browser for home and business use.


Preferred by whom?



Preferred by Microsoft, of course. And probably by all their employees
(who are afraid to say it's not their preference). G



I don't personally know anyone who admits to
preferring Edge.



Amazingly, I do know a couple of people.



As others have said, it's pretty awful as a browser, arguably the worst
of the lot.



Yep!