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Getting rid of that f**king ethernet card
When I bought a computer, it came with an ethernet card installed. It
also had XP pro Sp3 installed. Whoever installed XP apparently never needed that ethernet card, so they never installed the drivers for it. I've owned this computer for at least 3 years, and everytime I boot it, I have to face a message telling me i need to install that card, asking for drivers and all of that annoying ****. Everrytime I hit "Cancel" and everything works well, until I reboot again, and have to f**k with that goddamn driver crap. I dont use or need a network, and likely will never use it. But I did not want to just remove that card and throw it away, since there could come a time I need it, or sell the computer to someone who wants ethernet. Why the hell cant XP just accept the fact that I dont want to install the drivers for that card and shut the f**k up. However, I just had the case open, and decided it was time to rip that goodamn card out. I'm tired of f**king with the hassle. I think the people at Microsoft are idiots. They intentionally created Windows to annoy the hell out of their users. Why couldn't they just put a box to click that says "Dont bug me with this again". Anyhow, the card is removed. I'm trying to find a way to duct tape it inside the case where it wont cause problems. Otherwise it goes in the garbage. |
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On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 06:45:46 -0500, Paul wrote:
wrote: When I bought a computer, it came with an ethernet card installed. It also had XP pro Sp3 installed. Whoever installed XP apparently never needed that ethernet card, so they never installed the drivers for it. I've owned this computer for at least 3 years, and everytime I boot it, I have to face a message telling me i need to install that card, asking for drivers and all of that annoying ****. Everrytime I hit "Cancel" and everything works well, until I reboot again, and have to f**k with that goddamn driver crap. I dont use or need a network, and likely will never use it. But I did not want to just remove that card and throw it away, since there could come a time I need it, or sell the computer to someone who wants ethernet. Why the hell cant XP just accept the fact that I dont want to install the drivers for that card and shut the f**k up. However, I just had the case open, and decided it was time to rip that goodamn card out. I'm tired of f**king with the hassle. I think the people at Microsoft are idiots. They intentionally created Windows to annoy the hell out of their users. Why couldn't they just put a box to click that says "Dont bug me with this again". Anyhow, the card is removed. I'm trying to find a way to duct tape it inside the case where it wont cause problems. Otherwise it goes in the garbage. You could always ask about where to find a driver. Tell us what's printed on the top of the main chip. ******* As for card storage, it goes into an antistatic bag, not into tinfoil. The antistatic bag dissipates charge slowly, so the peak current flow is lower than if handled otherwise. Tinfoil dissipates ESD too fast, causing a big surge of current to flow in diodes and burn a hole in the junction. And not all antistatic bags are equally effective, as on some, you have to touch and hold the *inside* of the bag, while loading and unloading items. Duct tape can generate local static charge, and the most poorly made chips only have a 1kV resistant to ESD. The better made ones (modern RS232 chips) are rated for 15kV and are harder to kill. Intentionally generating static with the right kind of clothing can generate sparks up to 50kV. Just for comparison. Paul That computer is not connected to the internet, and wont be. It's my safe storage machine. So I cant let it go online to DL the driver like is keeps wanting to do. But I can DL the driver (on this computer) and use a floppy or flash drive to copy it over there. The card has D-Link stamped on the metal part. The main (big) chip says DL10038D.The board has these numbers too: DFE-530TX+ Rev E1. There are also some bar codes in the rear, that are glued to the board. But I wont bother to type them, unless needed. |
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On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 06:45:46 -0500, Paul wrote: wrote: When I bought a computer, it came with an ethernet card installed. It also had XP pro Sp3 installed. Whoever installed XP apparently never needed that ethernet card, so they never installed the drivers for it. I've owned this computer for at least 3 years, and everytime I boot it, I have to face a message telling me i need to install that card, asking for drivers and all of that annoying ****. Everrytime I hit "Cancel" and everything works well, until I reboot again, and have to f**k with that goddamn driver crap. I dont use or need a network, and likely will never use it. But I did not want to just remove that card and throw it away, since there could come a time I need it, or sell the computer to someone who wants ethernet. Why the hell cant XP just accept the fact that I dont want to install the drivers for that card and shut the f**k up. However, I just had the case open, and decided it was time to rip that goodamn card out. I'm tired of f**king with the hassle. I think the people at Microsoft are idiots. They intentionally created Windows to annoy the hell out of their users. Why couldn't they just put a box to click that says "Dont bug me with this again". Anyhow, the card is removed. I'm trying to find a way to duct tape it inside the case where it wont cause problems. Otherwise it goes in the garbage. You could always ask about where to find a driver. Tell us what's printed on the top of the main chip. ******* As for card storage, it goes into an antistatic bag, not into tinfoil. The antistatic bag dissipates charge slowly, so the peak current flow is lower than if handled otherwise. Tinfoil dissipates ESD too fast, causing a big surge of current to flow in diodes and burn a hole in the junction. And not all antistatic bags are equally effective, as on some, you have to touch and hold the *inside* of the bag, while loading and unloading items. Duct tape can generate local static charge, and the most poorly made chips only have a 1kV resistant to ESD. The better made ones (modern RS232 chips) are rated for 15kV and are harder to kill. Intentionally generating static with the right kind of clothing can generate sparks up to 50kV. Just for comparison. Paul That computer is not connected to the internet, and wont be. It's my safe storage machine. So I cant let it go online to DL the driver like is keeps wanting to do. But I can DL the driver (on this computer) and use a floppy or flash drive to copy it over there. The card has D-Link stamped on the metal part. The main (big) chip says DL10038D.The board has these numbers too: DFE-530TX+ Rev E1. There are also some bar codes in the rear, that are glued to the board. But I wont bother to type them, unless needed. https://wikidevi.com/wiki/D-Link_DFE-530TX%2B_rev_E1 Linux driver 8139too --- That tells you it's a RealTek 8139 PCI Windows: PCI\VEN_1186&DEV_1300&SUBSYS_13011186 1300 RTL8139 Ethernet 1186 1300 DFE-538TX 10/100 Ethernet Adapter 1186 1301 DFE-530TX+ 10/100 Ethernet Adapter 1186 1303 DFE-528TX 10/100 Fast Ethernet PCI Adapter Now, if we use an actual RealTek driver, the VEN is 10EC, not 1186. so a RealTek driver wouldn't work unless you hacked the INF. ******* This is your driver. This just about killed me. I must have had 20 false starts and ratholes. dfe530TX+_driver_5397.exe "D-Link DFE-530TX LAN Driver 5397" http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/NET...FE-530TX.shtml http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/NET...shtml#download 605 KB file size This download is provided to you FREE of charge. Inside the WinXP folder, you will find NETDLKR5.INF which says [D-Link] %DFE530.DeviceDesc% = DFE530.ndi, PCI\VEN_1186&DEV_1300 %DFE530_A.DeviceDesc% = DFE530_A.ndi, PCI\VEN_1186&DEV_1300&SUBSYS_13011186 --- match!!! %DFE530_A.DeviceDesc% = DFE530_A.ndi, PCI\VEN_10EC&DEV_8139&SUBSYS_13011186 If the install.exe doesn't work, you can always try an INF install by right-clicking the INF file in the "Winxp" folder. Paul |
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writes: On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 21:33:42 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 15:05:52 -0600, wrote: On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 06:45:46 -0500, Paul wrote: wrote: When I bought a computer, it came with an ethernet card installed. It also had XP pro Sp3 installed. Whoever installed XP apparently never needed that ethernet card, so they never installed the drivers for it. I've owned this computer for at least 3 years, and everytime I boot it, I have to face a message telling me i need to install that card, asking [] Why the hell cant XP just accept the fact that I dont want to install the drivers for that card and shut the f**k up. However, I just had the case open, and decided it was time to rip that goodamn card out. I'm tired of f**king with the hassle. [] That computer is not connected to the internet, and wont be. It's my safe storage machine. So I cant let it go online to DL the driver like is keeps wanting to do. But I can DL the driver (on this computer) and use a floppy or flash drive to copy it over there. Paul has found one for you. [] You should be able to disable it on the control panel and it will leave you alone. I thought I accomplished that several times. It seems to always come back to haunt me. Maybe I dont know the real trick to doing it??? I think it's something like "disable this device"; it's in Device Manager, anyway. But it's possible (though I think unlikely) that the message is coming from something before Windows. Leaving it unplugged is probably the best, I imagine all cards do use some power, so I may be savihg a few cents on my electric bill without It's absence would probably also improve ventilation and so on, and having it there (even _with_ the correct drivers) might still impede the machine's operation, though in practice by an imperceptible amount. it, but If I cant find a way to fasten it inside the computer case, I may as well toss it in the trash, cuz I'll never find it at a later date, if I just toss it in a box. (Well, don't toss it: give it away if you must discard it.) If this is a tower system, then - heresy as it may be - you could just lay it on the bottom of the case (inside), assuming you'd remember it was there; the case is a metal enclosure. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf .... the pleasure of the mind is an amazing thing. My life has been driven by the satisfaction of curiosity. - Jeremy Paxman (being interviewed by Anne Widdecombe), Radio Times, 2-8 July 2011. |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , writes: Leaving it unplugged is probably the best, I imagine all cards do use some power, so I may be savihg a few cents on my electric bill without It's absence would probably also improve ventilation and so on, and having it there (even _with_ the correct drivers) might still impede the machine's operation, though in practice by an imperceptible amount. In the old days, a NIC chip drew around 1 watt. On modern chips, they're dual rail, with a higher voltage for the I/O pins (3.3V maybe) and a lower voltage for the core (to save on core power by using reduced amplitude signals). And the Ethernet chips also have power saving features to put portions of them to sleep when no packets are coming in. If the RJ45 wasn't plugged in, and there was no heartbeat from a router, then the chip might power down. (And the driver and Device Manager setting can help it do that.) Some older hardware probably runs at constant power. Like that RTL8139 on the OPs card. (I just looked up the datasheet, and it's 1.1W of power max.) Much has changed over the years about IC design, and back in the old days, we had relatively slow computers burning up 150W just sitting there. If you stick a power meter on an older machine, it's shocking how much power it wastes. Just like the CRT screens we used to use, would draw 150W for a big monitor. Old computer hardware is a "coal fired glutton" :-) Paul |
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In message , Paul
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , writes: Leaving it unplugged is probably the best, I imagine all cards do use some power, so I may be savihg a few cents on my electric bill without It's absence would probably also improve ventilation and so on, and having it there (even _with_ the correct drivers) might still impede the machine's operation, though in practice by an imperceptible amount. In the old days, a NIC chip drew around 1 watt. On modern chips, they're dual rail, with a higher voltage for the I/O pins (3.3V maybe) and a lower voltage for the core (to save on core power by using reduced amplitude signals). And the Ethernet chips also have power saving features to put portions of them to sleep when no packets are coming in. If the RJ45 wasn't plugged in, and there was no heartbeat from a router, then the chip might power down. (And the driver and Device Manager setting can help it do that.) Some older hardware probably runs at constant power. Like that RTL8139 on the OPs card. (I just looked up the datasheet, and it's 1.1W of power max.) Much has changed over the years about IC design, and back in the old days, we had relatively slow computers burning up 150W just sitting there. If you stick a power meter on an older machine, it's shocking how much power it wastes. Just like the CRT screens we used to use, would draw 150W for a big monitor. Old computer hardware is a "coal fired glutton" :-) (In hot climates or hot weather. In cold climates, they're just reducing the requirement on your heating system! [Though electric heating is rarely cheaper than other forms.]) Paul So even if it's an old power-hungry card, we're only talking a few watts - probably negligible, though just _possibly_ detectable in pennies per year. I'd have said the main benefits from removing it would be improved airflow, and _possibly_ reduced likelihood of software problems/slowdown -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'. Professor Edzart Ernst, prudential magazine, AUTUMN 2006, p. 13. |
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 13:25:10 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message , Paul writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , writes: Leaving it unplugged is probably the best, I imagine all cards do use some power, so I may be savihg a few cents on my electric bill without It's absence would probably also improve ventilation and so on, and having it there (even _with_ the correct drivers) might still impede the machine's operation, though in practice by an imperceptible amount. In the old days, a NIC chip drew around 1 watt. On modern chips, they're dual rail, with a higher voltage for the I/O pins (3.3V maybe) and a lower voltage for the core (to save on core power by using reduced amplitude signals). And the Ethernet chips also have power saving features to put portions of them to sleep when no packets are coming in. If the RJ45 wasn't plugged in, and there was no heartbeat from a router, then the chip might power down. (And the driver and Device Manager setting can help it do that.) Some older hardware probably runs at constant power. Like that RTL8139 on the OPs card. (I just looked up the datasheet, and it's 1.1W of power max.) Much has changed over the years about IC design, and back in the old days, we had relatively slow computers burning up 150W just sitting there. If you stick a power meter on an older machine, it's shocking how much power it wastes. Just like the CRT screens we used to use, would draw 150W for a big monitor. Old computer hardware is a "coal fired glutton" :-) (In hot climates or hot weather. In cold climates, they're just reducing the requirement on your heating system! [Though electric heating is rarely cheaper than other forms.]) Paul So even if it's an old power-hungry card, we're only talking a few watts - probably negligible, though just _possibly_ detectable in pennies per year. I'd have said the main benefits from removing it would be improved airflow, and _possibly_ reduced likelihood of software problems/slowdown I downloaded that driver, but havent tried it yet. Too many projects going on. If that driver works, I'll just leave it plugged in. Maybe someday I'll get ambitious and try to setup a network, but I dont really see a need. I dont want to connect it to this computer which runs Win98se, because the whole point of that computer is to keep it free of the internet for safety reasons. I did plan to wrap it in a anti-static bag and place it in the bottom of that comp, but I was concerned about that bag touching the MOBO. I beleive those anti-static bags are conductive. But I guess that anti-s bag could have been placed inside yet another bag made of plastic or paper. Or wrapped with duct tape. I do wonder one thing. I know setting up a network is difficult. However the last time I tried I was running Windows 3.x, so maybe it's easier now. Anyhow, if my Win98 comp is connected to an XP comp, and I connect to the internet with the Win98 comp, can I use the internet thru the network? In other words, could I use a modern browser on XP, but still be connected to the internet using Win98? (If you dont recall, I have that problem where only Win98 can create a usable connection to my dialup. If this is possible, I do have another unused computer with XP on it. You mentioned the old computers used lots of power even on standby. How old would that be? This is the comp that is normally running most of the time. It's a 2000 or 2001 system, which was designed for Win 2000. But it runs Win98se. I know it runs a lot cooler than any modern comps, but how much power is wasted leaving it on most of the time??? (No, it dont have a CRT monitor, and when I walk away from it for hours, I always turn off the flat screen monitor, just to save the monitor as well as energy). |
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Rodney Pont wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:28:11 -0600, wrote: You could probably put all your tax software and data on a flash drive to keep it separated too. I would caution anyone thinking of this that flash drives don't last forever and shouldn't really be used for running software from that matters. One day it will die! Especially not the 32GB TLC-based USB sticks. Lost two so far. Lost zero smaller ones. They die after a year or so. ******* My 8GB MLC-based USB stick is a champ. A Rally2. It's had a lot of writes. My OS install media goes on that one. SLC --- one bit per cell, 100,000 write cycles MLC two bits per cell, 3,500 write cycles TLC three bits per cell, 3,000 write cycles (maybe) QLC four bits per cell [Coming soon, to a rubbish bin near you] [Comes with own Glad tie-n-toss bag] If only SLC would make a comeback. Paul |
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:28:11 -0600, wrote:
I would consider networking my Win98 machine to another XP one, but I have a feeling setting up the network on the Win98 machine would be tough. (Maybe on XP too, I dont know....). Not a problem but if you want to talk to a W/7 machine it is tough to impossible. I have a W/98 machine on my network right now. |
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