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  #61  
Old February 20th 13, 06:17 AM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Justin said:

Yes, Windows needs to be rebooted daily or weekly and sometimes Linux
needs to be rebooted annually


The only reason I reboot my Win7 machine daily is because I shut it
down overnight or if I'm going to be gone for at least an hour as a
power saving measure. +THIS+ machine does not like Sleep or
Hibernation, as a defect in the hardware. My last laptop had no
problem, and would go weeks on end without an actual restart.
Typically, it would get an actual restart only when a system update
required one.

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  #62  
Old February 20th 13, 10:49 PM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:24:10 -0500, tlvp wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:27:23 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

I am a perfectionists ...


Do tell :-) .

... and I can find bugs that nobody else can find.


And conversely, it would appear :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp


OK, guys, it can happen. I can find bugs that no one else can find too.

More than once, I have bought or installed something and had it crash,
and it ended up being a bug that tech support had never seen before.

But perhaps that comes under the rubric of "conversely" :-)

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  #63  
Old February 20th 13, 11:30 PM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 2/19/2013 9:06 PM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:23:57 -0600]:
On 2/19/2013 5:49 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:44:15 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

I have been waiting for Linux to catch up since '95. Sadly Linus
Torvalds, his father, and his sister even uses Windows. Only Linus'
mother uses Linux. That should tell you something right there.

His mother is the only smart one in the family?

Disclaimer: I use Windows :-)


I use both Linux and Windows. And Linux got to be the worst! The


Yes, Windows needs to be rebooted daily or weekly and sometimes Linux
needs to be rebooted annually


I have not found it so. Windows XP Service Pack 3 Has been running for
several years here. I can't claim that it works for the whole world
but it works for me! It was a long and rocky road. I reboot only when
my UPS's battery runs down and I'm forced to shut down.

I've been looking for a gasoline powered generator or natural gas
powered generator but those things are not cheap and my system is not
sufficiently critical to justify the expenditure!
  #64  
Old February 20th 13, 11:39 PM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:30:35 -0500]:
On 2/19/2013 9:06 PM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:23:57 -0600]:
On 2/19/2013 5:49 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:44:15 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

I have been waiting for Linux to catch up since '95. Sadly Linus
Torvalds, his father, and his sister even uses Windows. Only Linus'
mother uses Linux. That should tell you something right there.

His mother is the only smart one in the family?

Disclaimer: I use Windows :-)

I use both Linux and Windows. And Linux got to be the worst! The


Yes, Windows needs to be rebooted daily or weekly and sometimes Linux
needs to be rebooted annually


I have not found it so. Windows XP Service Pack 3 Has been running for
several years here. I can't claim that it works for the whole world


Since updates that require reboots comes out at least every two months,
either you are an irresponsible user or fibbing

  #65  
Old February 21st 13, 08:47 AM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:30:35 -0500, Richard B. Gilbert wrote:

I reboot only when
my UPS's battery runs down and I'm forced to shut down.


Windows, Adobe, and Java updates don't intermittently *require* rebooting?
Or do you just not do those updates :-) ? Cheers, -- tlvp
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  #66  
Old February 21st 13, 03:14 PM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
BillW50
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In ,
Justin typed:
Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:30:35 -0500]:
On 2/19/2013 9:06 PM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:23:57 -0600]:
On 2/19/2013 5:49 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:44:15 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

I have been waiting for Linux to catch up since '95. Sadly Linus
Torvalds, his father, and his sister even uses Windows. Only
Linus' mother uses Linux. That should tell you something right
there.

His mother is the only smart one in the family?

Disclaimer: I use Windows :-)

I use both Linux and Windows. And Linux got to be the worst! The

Yes, Windows needs to be rebooted daily or weekly and sometimes
Linux needs to be rebooted annually


I have not found it so. Windows XP Service Pack 3 Has been running
for several years here. I can't claim that it works for the whole
world


Since updates that require reboots comes out at least every two
months, either you are an irresponsible user or fibbing


Really? Asus sold netbooks with XP2 with 4GB SSD soldered on the
motherboard and it is impossible to update these machines. And Microsoft
allowed Asus to sell XP licenses for these them. And the user is *not*
irresponsible nor fibbing.

I believed like you did. And I thought these machines would be a malware
magnetic and I would have to restore them back to the factory state on
almost a daily bases. But after a year, that never happened. In fact, it
has been 5 years now and it still never had a virus or a rootkit yet.

Since I have a lot of spare machines, I had taken half of them and
stopped updating them four years ago. And then recorded the results. And
none of them ever got a virus or a rootkit either.

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  #67  
Old February 21st 13, 03:29 PM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
BillW50
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In ,
Richard B. Gilbert typed:
On 2/19/2013 9:06 PM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:23:57 -0600]:
On 2/19/2013 5:49 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:44:15 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

I have been waiting for Linux to catch up since '95. Sadly Linus
Torvalds, his father, and his sister even uses Windows. Only
Linus' mother uses Linux. That should tell you something right
there.

His mother is the only smart one in the family?

Disclaimer: I use Windows :-)

I use both Linux and Windows. And Linux got to be the worst! The


Yes, Windows needs to be rebooted daily or weekly and sometimes Linux
needs to be rebooted annually


I have not found it so. Windows XP Service Pack 3 Has been running
for several years here. I can't claim that it works for the whole
world but it works for me! It was a long and rocky road. I reboot
only when my UPS's battery runs down and I'm forced to shut down.

I've been looking for a gasoline powered generator or natural gas
powered generator but those things are not cheap and my system is not
sufficiently critical to justify the expenditure!


I've have grown tiresome of UPS over the years. They won't run a
computer very long and it is inefficient to take 12VDC and to covert it
to 120VAC (or 220V) and then convert it back to some low voltages once
again.

Since everything I have since 2005, it makes more sense to use laptops,
netbooks, and tablets with their own batteries. They are far more
dependable than UPS and runs longer without AC in a far smaller package.
I also have a lot of spare machines that uses the same batteries. Like
this one I have 6 batteries for. My Gateway MX6124 and M465 machines
uses the very same battery. And I have about 12 of those batteries.

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Centrino Core2 Duo L7400 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM
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  #68  
Old February 21st 13, 03:35 PM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
BillW50
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In ,
Gene E. Bloch typed:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:24:10 -0500, tlvp wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:27:23 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

I am a perfectionists ...


Do tell :-) .

... and I can find bugs that nobody else can find.


And conversely, it would appear :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp


OK, guys, it can happen. I can find bugs that no one else can find
too.

More than once, I have bought or installed something and had it crash,
and it ended up being a bug that tech support had never seen before.

But perhaps that comes under the rubric of "conversely" :-)


Let me put it in another way. Over the years I have written hundreds of
programs and nobody to date has ever found a bug in one of my programs.
It seems easy to me to logically think of every single variable and what
could happen to the running program. It is a lot like playing chess
logically.

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Centrino Core2 Duo L7400 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM
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  #69  
Old February 21st 13, 03:43 PM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
BillW50
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In ,
Jeffrey Kaplan typed:
Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Justin said:

Yes, Windows needs to be rebooted daily or weekly and sometimes Linux
needs to be rebooted annually


The only reason I reboot my Win7 machine daily is because I shut it
down overnight or if I'm going to be gone for at least an hour as a
power saving measure. +THIS+ machine does not like Sleep or
Hibernation, as a defect in the hardware. My last laptop had no
problem, and would go weeks on end without an actual restart.
Typically, it would get an actual restart only when a system update
required one.


I have over 30 machines here. And I have one like that. It's my Dell
Latitude Slate Tablet with an Atom Z670. Motion Computing also uses the
same CPU in their CL900 (and it is said that they designed the Dell
slate). And MC said that the Z670 is *only* compatible with Windows 7
SP1 and that is it.

I know of nobody who has got XP to run on the Atom Z670. But many have
got Windows 8 running on it. But it isn't perfect. One of the problems
with Windows 8 that I have seen is incomplete shutdowns and lockups
trying to use standby or hibernation.

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  #70  
Old February 21st 13, 03:49 PM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
BillW50
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In ,
Jeffrey Kaplan typed:
Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, BillW50 said:

I use both Linux and Windows. And Linux got to be the worst! The
majority of the Linux programmers are rejects that couldn't get a
real job programming. Most of your smart devices use Linux like
Microwaves, smart phones, routers, broadband modems, etc. And they
work for a day or two and then you have to reboot them. I have never
seen such an unstable OS since IBM had taken over OS/2. I have no
idea how IBM programmers got their jobs, as they got to be the worst
of the lot. About on par with open source programmers. :-(


Android is Open Source...


I didn't know for sure, but it doesn't change anything for me. As my
Android hardly sees any use at all. As it really doesn't do very much
for me. And what is available is pretty bare bones applications anyway.

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  #71  
Old February 21st 13, 03:51 PM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
BillW50
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In ,
John F. Morse typed:
On 02/19/2013 06:15 PM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:02:42 -0600]:
On 2/19/2013 5:34 PM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:55:13 -0600]:
On 2/16/2013 10:21 PM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:10:47 -0600]:
Anything regarding IM for Linux is really stripped down and
isn't worth much. The only thing for IM for Linux is somewhat
respectable is Skype, which I never used for Linux, but what I
have heard. Everything else for Linux is pretty much plain text
and that is it.
That's what IM is, plain text.
Naw... it is much more than that. Fonts, italics, bold, underline,
emoticons, mic, webcam, file transfers, etc.
Webcam is not a requirement of IM. Nor is microphone.
I've never had a problem with any of these though
Lots of problems with Linux. As Linux has the most limited support
for

Yep, must be some PEBCAK issues


That is Bill, the child molester.

Must have served out his latest sentence.


Oh really? If you are so sure, surely you would be willing to put your
money were your mouth is at. So how much would you care to lose?

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Old February 21st 13, 04:30 PM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 02/21/2013 08:51 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
John F. Morse typed:
On 02/19/2013 06:15 PM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:02:42 -0600]:
On 2/19/2013 5:34 PM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:55:13 -0600]:
On 2/16/2013 10:21 PM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:10:47 -0600]:
Anything regarding IM for Linux is really stripped down and
isn't worth much. The only thing for IM for Linux is somewhat
respectable is Skype, which I never used for Linux, but what I
have heard. Everything else for Linux is pretty much plain text
and that is it.
That's what IM is, plain text.
Naw... it is much more than that. Fonts, italics, bold, underline,
emoticons, mic, webcam, file transfers, etc.
Webcam is not a requirement of IM. Nor is microphone.
I've never had a problem with any of these though
Lots of problems with Linux. As Linux has the most limited support
for
Yep, must be some PEBCAK issues

That is Bill, the child molester.

Must have served out his latest sentence.

Oh really? If you are so sure, surely you would be willing to put your
money were your mouth is at. So how much would you care to lose?



I don't gamble, and you are the loser.

I see you are still doing your bragging, like you did about your daughter's
sleep-over friends who you fondled.

Bugger-off, Bill. You are well-known, and should have stayed in Soledad a few
more years.


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When a person has -- whether they knew it or not -- already
rejected the Truth, by what means do they discern a lie?

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Old February 21st 13, 04:52 PM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
BillW50
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On 2/21/2013 9:30 AM, John F. Morse wrote:
On 02/21/2013 08:51 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
John F. Morse typed:
On 02/19/2013 06:15 PM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:02:42 -0600]:
On 2/19/2013 5:34 PM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:55:13 -0600]:
On 2/16/2013 10:21 PM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Sat, 16 Feb 2013 16:10:47 -0600]:
Anything regarding IM for Linux is really stripped down and
isn't worth much. The only thing for IM for Linux is somewhat
respectable is Skype, which I never used for Linux, but what I
have heard. Everything else for Linux is pretty much plain text
and that is it.
That's what IM is, plain text.
Naw... it is much more than that. Fonts, italics, bold, underline,
emoticons, mic, webcam, file transfers, etc.
Webcam is not a requirement of IM. Nor is microphone.
I've never had a problem with any of these though
Lots of problems with Linux. As Linux has the most limited support
for
Yep, must be some PEBCAK issues
That is Bill, the child molester.

Must have served out his latest sentence.

Oh really? If you are so sure, surely you would be willing to put your
money were your mouth is at. So how much would you care to lose?



I don't gamble, and you are the loser.


No John, where I come from it is called settling out of court.

I see you are still doing your bragging, like you did about your daughter's
sleep-over friends who you fondled.


Really? That is amazing! Since I don't even have a daughter.

Bugger-off, Bill. You are well-known, and should have stayed in Soledad a few
more years.


We don't have to settle this out of court if you don't want to. We can
go to court and you can enjoy a nice life behind bars if you like.

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Old February 21st 13, 05:04 PM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 2/20/2013 5:30 PM, Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
I've been looking for a gasoline powered generator

How large a generator? What's expensive?
Harbor Freight has an 800w gas gen for $89.95
Large generators? Google Genrac. There are other lower cost generators
as well, with sources usually on the west coast.

Generally, a "conventional" generator uses the mass of the rotating
components, along with regulator(s) to stabilize the output. More
expensive units have a solid state "inverter" for more tightly
controlled output.

One drawback of the conventional generator has to do with the output
voltage level in an "idle" situation. The inverter types usually don't
have the lower voltage output associated with the idle condition.
My conventional 15KW ~22KW surge generator drops output voltage to
~90-100vac at idle, and immediately goes to normal output 123-125 vac
under load. Frequency control seems to be within 1 hz or so of 60 hz.

A good UPS with a voltage stabilizer capability can help with
"sensitive" equipment. Most of the current crop of desktops (with a
decent power supply) aren't to picky, and the UPS helps eliminate any
brownout that might be caused by a generator going into idle mode.
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Old February 21st 13, 05:12 PM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 2/21/2013 10:04 AM, charlie wrote:
On 2/20/2013 5:30 PM, Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
I've been looking for a gasoline powered generator

How large a generator? What's expensive?
Harbor Freight has an 800w gas gen for $89.95
Large generators? Google Genrac. There are other lower cost generators
as well, with sources usually on the west coast.

Generally, a "conventional" generator uses the mass of the rotating
components, along with regulator(s) to stabilize the output. More
expensive units have a solid state "inverter" for more tightly
controlled output.

One drawback of the conventional generator has to do with the output
voltage level in an "idle" situation. The inverter types usually don't
have the lower voltage output associated with the idle condition.
My conventional 15KW ~22KW surge generator drops output voltage to
~90-100vac at idle, and immediately goes to normal output 123-125 vac
under load. Frequency control seems to be within 1 hz or so of 60 hz.

A good UPS with a voltage stabilizer capability can help with
"sensitive" equipment. Most of the current crop of desktops (with a
decent power supply) aren't to picky, and the UPS helps eliminate any
brownout that might be caused by a generator going into idle mode.


Curiously, what is the gas usage typically under load per hour?

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