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  #61  
Old September 12th 13, 04:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Default Downgrading from Win 8

Ron wrote:
On 9/12/2013 10:25 AM, wrote:
Well, I'm sorry to take away all the fun about this issue --- but,
according to a "technician" in India or whereever -- if she really
ever understood my questions -- it really took a while --- like
enduring 6 disconnects and an hour of trying to explain what
I needed (i.e. HP Win 7, 64 bit drivers for the machine we bought
for my wife , she told me it was impossible for me to downgrade
because no such drivers were available for this machine.
So it's back to the madness of trying to learn Win 7 and Win 8
at the same time.


Since you brought this up, I'm in a back and forth via email with HP as
we speak. I have a HP laptop that I just bought a few months ago, and
according to HP, the OS key for this laptop is embedded into the BIOS.

And according to what I've read, if I try to install another OS if/when
the HDD fails, and even if I buy a copy of Windows 8, the install will
fail because of the embedded OS key. So, I'm waiting on a response from
HP on WHAT I'm supposed to do when the HDD fails.

This is a bunch of bull****. I bought this laptop, it is MY laptop, and
I should be able to install ANY OS that I want to.


The short explanation...

The BIOS holds data tables. One table is called "SLIC". In the
SLIC, it says "this is an HP computer".

When you load a (royalty paid by) OEM OS, the activation is
triggered by the value of SLIC. That means, you can load Windows 7
or Windows 8 special HP OEM version, and what those check for is
"this is an HP computer".

The actual license key involved, the one you find on the C:
drive with Belarc, is the same on all the machines. And that
license key, is different than the one printed on the COA
sticker on the outside of the computer. You use the license
key off the COA stick, if using an OS installer disc other than
the special HP one.

But for OEM-issued OS installations, they're triggered by SLIC.
You need an OS that looks for "this is an HP computer", to
work with an HP motherboard whose BIOS says "this is an HP computer".

*******

This can be complicated, by the presence of UEFI versus conventional
BIOS. But only because of some of the booting details. If the
computer supports UEFI, something may need to be turned off,
to get an older OS to work right. So there is still a possibility
of problems, but it's due to the introduction of newer BIOS designs.
Just pray your "technician" in India knows the answer to that.

But that doesn't affect how SLIC works.

Even retail Asus motherboards will have a SLIC, but it's effectively
filled with garbage (there are bytes of data in it, but they don't
unlock anything). No OS gets activated by such a motherboard.
And then you need conventional license key (off a COA), and
Internet activation. Branded motherboards, like an HP motherboard
for an HP computer, say "this is an HP computer" in the SLIC.
And the HP OS is activated right away.

It's also supposed to mean, you can load different OS versions,
and as long as they look for the same SLIC, they all work. Without
typing in a license key.

Paul
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  #62  
Old September 12th 13, 05:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ron
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On 9/12/2013 11:32 AM, Paul wrote:
Ron wrote:
On 9/12/2013 10:25 AM, wrote:
Well, I'm sorry to take away all the fun about this issue --- but,
according to a "technician" in India or whereever -- if she really
ever understood my questions -- it really took a while --- like
enduring 6 disconnects and an hour of trying to explain what
I needed (i.e. HP Win 7, 64 bit drivers for the machine we bought
for my wife , she told me it was impossible for me to downgrade
because no such drivers were available for this machine.
So it's back to the madness of trying to learn Win 7 and Win 8
at the same time.


Since you brought this up, I'm in a back and forth via email with HP
as we speak. I have a HP laptop that I just bought a few months ago,
and according to HP, the OS key for this laptop is embedded into the
BIOS.

And according to what I've read, if I try to install another OS
if/when the HDD fails, and even if I buy a copy of Windows 8, the
install will fail because of the embedded OS key. So, I'm waiting on a
response from HP on WHAT I'm supposed to do when the HDD fails.

This is a bunch of bull****. I bought this laptop, it is MY laptop,
and I should be able to install ANY OS that I want to.


The short explanation...

The BIOS holds data tables. One table is called "SLIC". In the
SLIC, it says "this is an HP computer".

When you load a (royalty paid by) OEM OS, the activation is
triggered by the value of SLIC. That means, you can load Windows 7
or Windows 8 special HP OEM version, and what those check for is
"this is an HP computer".

The actual license key involved, the one you find on the C:
drive with Belarc, is the same on all the machines. And that
license key, is different than the one printed on the COA
sticker on the outside of the computer. You use the license
key off the COA stick, if using an OS installer disc other than
the special HP one.


But for OEM-issued OS installations, they're triggered by SLIC.
You need an OS that looks for "this is an HP computer", to
work with an HP motherboard whose BIOS says "this is an HP computer".

*******

This can be complicated, by the presence of UEFI versus conventional
BIOS. But only because of some of the booting details. If the
computer supports UEFI, something may need to be turned off,
to get an older OS to work right. So there is still a possibility
of problems, but it's due to the introduction of newer BIOS designs.
Just pray your "technician" in India knows the answer to that.

But that doesn't affect how SLIC works.

Even retail Asus motherboards will have a SLIC, but it's effectively
filled with garbage (there are bytes of data in it, but they don't
unlock anything). No OS gets activated by such a motherboard.
And then you need conventional license key (off a COA), and
Internet activation. Branded motherboards, like an HP motherboard
for an HP computer, say "this is an HP computer" in the SLIC.
And the HP OS is activated right away.

It's also supposed to mean, you can load different OS versions,
and as long as they look for the same SLIC, they all work. Without
typing in a license key.


The short explanation? (lol)

The reason I contacted them is because there is no COA sticker on this
computer. So when I contacted them that is when they told me the
Microsoft OS key is embedded into the BIOS (so this is a generic key
right?).

My next question was what if I wanted to install Windows 7 (I have a W7
disc) on this computer? That is when I was informed that HP doesn't have
any drivers for this computer for Win7 so it wouldn't work
anyway...Along with this - "Thank you for contacting HP Total Care. In
response to your email I would like to inform you that you can only
upgrade to Windows 8 Pro and windows 8.1 when the full version releases
but you cannot downgrade the operating system as the infrastructure of
the Motherboard will not support the operating system."

So my next question was what am I supposed to do if/when the HDD fails?
That question got my complaint sent to a Case Manager. If the HDD fails,
will I be able to install a new HDD and use my recovery discs to
reformat the computer? I don't know what's going on here, but after
reading several articles about this, I've read complaints from HP, Dell,
and Samsung owners who have recently purchased laptops with W8 and have
concerns about HDD and/or mobo failures once their computers are out of
warranty. Didn't really find a solution.


  #63  
Old September 12th 13, 06:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Ron wrote:
On 9/12/2013 11:32 AM, Paul wrote:
Ron wrote:
On 9/12/2013 10:25 AM, wrote:
Well, I'm sorry to take away all the fun about this issue --- but,
according to a "technician" in India or whereever -- if she really
ever understood my questions -- it really took a while --- like
enduring 6 disconnects and an hour of trying to explain what
I needed (i.e. HP Win 7, 64 bit drivers for the machine we bought
for my wife , she told me it was impossible for me to downgrade
because no such drivers were available for this machine.
So it's back to the madness of trying to learn Win 7 and Win 8
at the same time.

Since you brought this up, I'm in a back and forth via email with HP
as we speak. I have a HP laptop that I just bought a few months ago,
and according to HP, the OS key for this laptop is embedded into the
BIOS.

And according to what I've read, if I try to install another OS
if/when the HDD fails, and even if I buy a copy of Windows 8, the
install will fail because of the embedded OS key. So, I'm waiting on a
response from HP on WHAT I'm supposed to do when the HDD fails.

This is a bunch of bull****. I bought this laptop, it is MY laptop,
and I should be able to install ANY OS that I want to.


The short explanation...

The BIOS holds data tables. One table is called "SLIC". In the
SLIC, it says "this is an HP computer".

When you load a (royalty paid by) OEM OS, the activation is
triggered by the value of SLIC. That means, you can load Windows 7
or Windows 8 special HP OEM version, and what those check for is
"this is an HP computer".

The actual license key involved, the one you find on the C:
drive with Belarc, is the same on all the machines. And that
license key, is different than the one printed on the COA
sticker on the outside of the computer. You use the license
key off the COA stick, if using an OS installer disc other than
the special HP one.


But for OEM-issued OS installations, they're triggered by SLIC.
You need an OS that looks for "this is an HP computer", to
work with an HP motherboard whose BIOS says "this is an HP computer".

*******

This can be complicated, by the presence of UEFI versus conventional
BIOS. But only because of some of the booting details. If the
computer supports UEFI, something may need to be turned off,
to get an older OS to work right. So there is still a possibility
of problems, but it's due to the introduction of newer BIOS designs.
Just pray your "technician" in India knows the answer to that.

But that doesn't affect how SLIC works.

Even retail Asus motherboards will have a SLIC, but it's effectively
filled with garbage (there are bytes of data in it, but they don't
unlock anything). No OS gets activated by such a motherboard.
And then you need conventional license key (off a COA), and
Internet activation. Branded motherboards, like an HP motherboard
for an HP computer, say "this is an HP computer" in the SLIC.
And the HP OS is activated right away.

It's also supposed to mean, you can load different OS versions,
and as long as they look for the same SLIC, they all work. Without
typing in a license key.


The short explanation? (lol)

The reason I contacted them is because there is no COA sticker on this
computer. So when I contacted them that is when they told me the
Microsoft OS key is embedded into the BIOS (so this is a generic key
right?).

My next question was what if I wanted to install Windows 7 (I have a W7
disc) on this computer? That is when I was informed that HP doesn't have
any drivers for this computer for Win7 so it wouldn't work
anyway...Along with this - "Thank you for contacting HP Total Care. In
response to your email I would like to inform you that you can only
upgrade to Windows 8 Pro and windows 8.1 when the full version releases
but you cannot downgrade the operating system as the infrastructure of
the Motherboard will not support the operating system."

So my next question was what am I supposed to do if/when the HDD fails?
That question got my complaint sent to a Case Manager. If the HDD fails,
will I be able to install a new HDD and use my recovery discs to
reformat the computer? I don't know what's going on here, but after
reading several articles about this, I've read complaints from HP, Dell,
and Samsung owners who have recently purchased laptops with W8 and have
concerns about HDD and/or mobo failures once their computers are out of
warranty. Didn't really find a solution.


You got me there :-)

Yes, new computers are using yet another method.
Did I mention it's hard to keep track of all this crap :-)

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Win...oft,16636.html

http://www.myce.com/news/exclusive-w...-method-62879/

If the key is stored in the BIOS, then I don't see how a repaired hard
drive will be an issue. What would be an issue, is if the hard drive
was tattooed. But if the info is stored in a BIOS area, that means
you'd only lose it, if the motherboard is replaced. An identical
replacement motherboard, would also have a key. Whereas, sticking
an Asus motherboard in the HP, would be losing the key. Really no
different than losing the SLIC table, by using a third-party
motherboard.

What will be an issue, is how downgraded OSes might work. The OSes
Vista/Win7/Win8 bear certain similarities, and they could set up
a subset of keys to work on more than one OS. But whether they actually
do that, who knows.

For some reason, downgrading is related to the Pro version of
the OS. Which might be something you'd find on a business
class machine (even though the IT department would likely
be loading their own image on the machine immediately). You need to
check the downgrade rights web page of the selling company for
the details. Sometimes they specify you would have had to buy
Windows 8 Pro with the machine, to get a downgrade. In other
cases, they pretend that only machines in their Business section
of the web site, qualify. Which probably boils down to using Pro.

Paul
  #64  
Old September 12th 13, 06:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ron
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On 9/12/2013 1:12 PM, Paul wrote:
Ron wrote:
On 9/12/2013 11:32 AM, Paul wrote:
Ron wrote:
On 9/12/2013 10:25 AM, wrote:
Well, I'm sorry to take away all the fun about this issue --- but,
according to a "technician" in India or whereever -- if she really
ever understood my questions -- it really took a while --- like
enduring 6 disconnects and an hour of trying to explain what
I needed (i.e. HP Win 7, 64 bit drivers for the machine we bought
for my wife , she told me it was impossible for me to downgrade
because no such drivers were available for this machine.
So it's back to the madness of trying to learn Win 7 and Win 8
at the same time.

Since you brought this up, I'm in a back and forth via email with HP
as we speak. I have a HP laptop that I just bought a few months ago,
and according to HP, the OS key for this laptop is embedded into the
BIOS.

And according to what I've read, if I try to install another OS
if/when the HDD fails, and even if I buy a copy of Windows 8, the
install will fail because of the embedded OS key. So, I'm waiting on a
response from HP on WHAT I'm supposed to do when the HDD fails.

This is a bunch of bull****. I bought this laptop, it is MY laptop,
and I should be able to install ANY OS that I want to.


The short explanation...

The BIOS holds data tables. One table is called "SLIC". In the
SLIC, it says "this is an HP computer".

When you load a (royalty paid by) OEM OS, the activation is
triggered by the value of SLIC. That means, you can load Windows 7
or Windows 8 special HP OEM version, and what those check for is
"this is an HP computer".

The actual license key involved, the one you find on the C:
drive with Belarc, is the same on all the machines. And that
license key, is different than the one printed on the COA
sticker on the outside of the computer. You use the license
key off the COA stick, if using an OS installer disc other than
the special HP one.


But for OEM-issued OS installations, they're triggered by SLIC.
You need an OS that looks for "this is an HP computer", to
work with an HP motherboard whose BIOS says "this is an HP computer".

*******

This can be complicated, by the presence of UEFI versus conventional
BIOS. But only because of some of the booting details. If the
computer supports UEFI, something may need to be turned off,
to get an older OS to work right. So there is still a possibility
of problems, but it's due to the introduction of newer BIOS designs.
Just pray your "technician" in India knows the answer to that.

But that doesn't affect how SLIC works.

Even retail Asus motherboards will have a SLIC, but it's effectively
filled with garbage (there are bytes of data in it, but they don't
unlock anything). No OS gets activated by such a motherboard.
And then you need conventional license key (off a COA), and
Internet activation. Branded motherboards, like an HP motherboard
for an HP computer, say "this is an HP computer" in the SLIC.
And the HP OS is activated right away.

It's also supposed to mean, you can load different OS versions,
and as long as they look for the same SLIC, they all work. Without
typing in a license key.


The short explanation? (lol)

The reason I contacted them is because there is no COA sticker on this
computer. So when I contacted them that is when they told me the
Microsoft OS key is embedded into the BIOS (so this is a generic key
right?).

My next question was what if I wanted to install Windows 7 (I have a
W7 disc) on this computer? That is when I was informed that HP doesn't
have any drivers for this computer for Win7 so it wouldn't work
anyway...Along with this - "Thank you for contacting HP Total Care. In
response to your email I would like to inform you that you can only
upgrade to Windows 8 Pro and windows 8.1 when the full version
releases but you cannot downgrade the operating system as the
infrastructure of the Motherboard will not support the operating system."

So my next question was what am I supposed to do if/when the HDD
fails? That question got my complaint sent to a Case Manager. If the
HDD fails, will I be able to install a new HDD and use my recovery
discs to reformat the computer? I don't know what's going on here, but
after reading several articles about this, I've read complaints from
HP, Dell, and Samsung owners who have recently purchased laptops with
W8 and have concerns about HDD and/or mobo failures once their
computers are out of warranty. Didn't really find a solution.


You got me there :-)

Yes, new computers are using yet another method.
Did I mention it's hard to keep track of all this crap :-)

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Win...oft,16636.html


http://www.myce.com/news/exclusive-w...-method-62879/


If the key is stored in the BIOS, then I don't see how a repaired hard
drive will be an issue. What would be an issue, is if the hard drive
was tattooed. But if the info is stored in a BIOS area, that means
you'd only lose it, if the motherboard is replaced. An identical
replacement motherboard, would also have a key. Whereas, sticking
an Asus motherboard in the HP, would be losing the key. Really no
different than losing the SLIC table, by using a third-party
motherboard.

What will be an issue, is how downgraded OSes might work. The OSes
Vista/Win7/Win8 bear certain similarities, and they could set up
a subset of keys to work on more than one OS. But whether they actually
do that, who knows.

For some reason, downgrading is related to the Pro version of
the OS. Which might be something you'd find on a business
class machine (even though the IT department would likely
be loading their own image on the machine immediately). You need to
check the downgrade rights web page of the selling company for
the details. Sometimes they specify you would have had to buy
Windows 8 Pro with the machine, to get a downgrade. In other
cases, they pretend that only machines in their Business section
of the web site, qualify. Which probably boils down to using Pro.


I read both of the articles that you posted and also this one. Needless
to say my head is now spinning. Guess I will wait and see what HP says.
Oh, and everyone I have spoken to at HP in the past sound like
Americans....thank god. Can't say the same for the times I've contacted
Toshiba. "What was that?" "Huh?".

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/w...ctivation.html

  #65  
Old September 12th 13, 06:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_4_]
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On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 10:52:41 -0400, Paul wrote:

charlie wrote:
On 9/11/2013 2:36 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:09:03 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

"Gene Wirchenko" wrote in message

On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:31:56 -0500, wrote:

[snip]

Well, If there were floppies that early, they didn't
show on the first PC I heard of. A TRS 80 (latee
1970's) with only input/output was via a cassette tape
recorder.

Keyboard and screen are I/O, too.

The KB certainly was, not so sure if the monitor qualifies. It was
"memory
mapped"; i.e., 1024 KB of RAM were reserved and anything put there was
displayed on the monitor.

Actually, the keyboard was memory-mapped, too.

Memory-mapped I/O is still I/O. The term "memory-mapped I/O" has
been in use for many years.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

Floppys were around, starting with a large size 8"? that later was
downsized to the ones RS, Apple, and others used.
Think PDP 8, SWTPC, 8080, and so forth.
(I still miss the toggle switches)


We put dual 8" floppies on a computer we built at work.
No hard drive in the beast, just floppies. But a *huge*
amount of memory, at 256KB or so :-)



Floppies were developed in the late 1960s, and yes, the first ones
were 8". I remember their being used for loading microcode on the
first IBM 370s--around 1970.
  #66  
Old September 12th 13, 07:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
R. C. White
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Posts: 1,058
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Hi, Ken.

Yep. The 8" floppies came first. When Shugart produced the 5.25" versions
they were called mini-floppies.

My original TRS-80 in December 1977 had NO disks at all. Just that audio
tape cassette recorder. We could just take a music cassette, pop it into
the recorder and the 4K BASIC-in-ROM would SAVE our program on the same
cassette. (Kind of like we can record a movie nowadays on a DVD-RW,
overwriting our only backup of our Quicken data. :( )

My "Preliminary Instruction Manual" for Disk Basic Version 1.1; TRSDOS
Version 2.0 is dated July 7, 1978. That's when we got the first
mini-floppies for the TRS-80. They were single-sided, 35 tracks, ten
256-byte sectors per track, for a total of 87.5 KB per diskette. Yes,
that's KILOBytes! The directory was on Track 17, right in the middle of the
diskette, leaving only 34 tracks (84 KB) for our use. Of course, if you had
only a single disk drive, you had to keep Disk Basic on that one diskette,
too, leaving only about 55 KB for the user's programs and data. The
transfer speed to/from the diskette was 12.5 K bytes per second - a BIG jump
up from the cassette speed! ;)

I never used 8" floppies. The TRS-80 Model II used a pair of them, but that
monster was a "business machine" and I never used one of those.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8 Pro


"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 10:52:41 -0400, Paul wrote:

charlie wrote:
On 9/11/2013 2:36 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:09:03 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

"Gene Wirchenko" wrote in message

On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:31:56 -0500,
wrote:

[snip]

Well, If there were floppies that early, they didn't
show on the first PC I heard of. A TRS 80 (latee
1970's) with only input/output was via a cassette tape
recorder.

Keyboard and screen are I/O, too.

The KB certainly was, not so sure if the monitor qualifies. It was
"memory
mapped"; i.e., 1024 KB of RAM were reserved and anything put there was
displayed on the monitor.

Actually, the keyboard was memory-mapped, too.

Memory-mapped I/O is still I/O. The term "memory-mapped I/O" has
been in use for many years.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

Floppys were around, starting with a large size 8"? that later was
downsized to the ones RS, Apple, and others used.
Think PDP 8, SWTPC, 8080, and so forth.
(I still miss the toggle switches)


We put dual 8" floppies on a computer we built at work.
No hard drive in the beast, just floppies. But a *huge*
amount of memory, at 256KB or so :-)



Floppies were developed in the late 1960s, and yes, the first ones
were 8". I remember their being used for loading microcode on the
first IBM 370s--around 1970.

  #67  
Old September 12th 13, 07:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Paul
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Default Downgrading from Win 8

Ken Blake wrote:
On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 10:52:41 -0400, Paul wrote:

charlie wrote:
On 9/11/2013 2:36 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:09:03 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

"Gene Wirchenko" wrote in message

On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:31:56 -0500, wrote:

[snip]

Well, If there were floppies that early, they didn't
show on the first PC I heard of. A TRS 80 (latee
1970's) with only input/output was via a cassette tape
recorder.
Keyboard and screen are I/O, too.
The KB certainly was, not so sure if the monitor qualifies. It was
"memory
mapped"; i.e., 1024 KB of RAM were reserved and anything put there was
displayed on the monitor.
Actually, the keyboard was memory-mapped, too.

Memory-mapped I/O is still I/O. The term "memory-mapped I/O" has
been in use for many years.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

Floppys were around, starting with a large size 8"? that later was
downsized to the ones RS, Apple, and others used.
Think PDP 8, SWTPC, 8080, and so forth.
(I still miss the toggle switches)

We put dual 8" floppies on a computer we built at work.
No hard drive in the beast, just floppies. But a *huge*
amount of memory, at 256KB or so :-)



Floppies were developed in the late 1960s, and yes, the first ones
were 8". I remember their being used for loading microcode on the
first IBM 370s--around 1970.


We also did interfaces for stuff like this, but this was shared
by entire departments, and was too big to sit in somebody's
cubicle.

http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen...skpack3-2L.jpg

My memory is fuzzy now, but I think the drive looked like this.
It ran off 220V wiring.

http://home.ntelos.net/~donbryan/Don/Pics/my_disk.jpg

I trusted ours so much, I kept duplicate copies on floppies,
rather than store my only copy on that thing. It was actually
pretty reliable, considering the tech used (platter area that
opens to the atmosphere for maintenance).

We also did a 9 track tape drive interface, and that's where the
backups were supposed to go. But that didn't show up, until later.

So our product line, was "half desktop" and "half mainframe", using
mainframe-like technologies at the departmental level, and
PC technologies (ST506) at the desktop. We had a lot of fun building it,
because the end result sat at your desk. If you did a bad job,
you ended up owning a bad computer.

I didn't really get to work with an actual PC, until later.
In another group, I asked for a PC one day, because the software
I got for hardware development, only ran on a PC. And I was
given an old 6MHz boat anchor PC. Worked admirably well, but
still seemed so out of place (because nobody would buy us
a modern PC). I think at the time, I was using Kermit or something
similar, to get my files from my regular computer, over to the
6MHz PC. Over a serial link :-) Smokin performance. Might have
been all of 9600 baud.

Paul
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Old September 13th 13, 06:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 9/11/2013 9:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:27:40 -0500, "R. C. White"
wrote:

Hi, Ken.

...perhaps he's a troll rather than a newbie.


Yeah, I've been wanting for a long time to ask: Remember Valorie?



I had forgotten. And I was glad I had forgotten. And you had to remind
me? (vbg Just kidding, of course.)


I Replied to one of his first posts and have just been watching from the
sidelines ever since. :(



That's what I should have done.


I have never kill filed anyone in my whole life, but I'm about to, but
not before someone here tells me how to contact Dell support and ask
them how...;-)

D
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Old September 13th 13, 10:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 13:07:22 -0400, DMP wrote:

On 9/11/2013 9:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:27:40 -0500, "R. C. White"
wrote:

Hi, Ken.

...perhaps he's a troll rather than a newbie.

Yeah, I've been wanting for a long time to ask: Remember Valorie?



I had forgotten. And I was glad I had forgotten. And you had to remind
me? (vbg Just kidding, of course.)


I Replied to one of his first posts and have just been watching from the
sidelines ever since. :(



That's what I should have done.


I have never kill filed anyone in my whole life, but I'm about to, but
not before someone here tells me how to contact Dell support and ask
them how...;-)

D


You do it in your news reader, and Dell support won't be able to help
you.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
  #70  
Old September 13th 13, 11:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 14:09:35 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 13:07:22 -0400, DMP wrote:

On 9/11/2013 9:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:27:40 -0500, "R. C. White"
wrote:

Hi, Ken.

...perhaps he's a troll rather than a newbie.

Yeah, I've been wanting for a long time to ask: Remember Valorie?


I had forgotten. And I was glad I had forgotten. And you had to remind
me? (vbg Just kidding, of course.)


I Replied to one of his first posts and have just been watching from the
sidelines ever since. :(


That's what I should have done.


I have never kill filed anyone in my whole life, but I'm about to, but
not before someone here tells me how to contact Dell support and ask
them how...;-)

D


You do it in your news reader, and Dell support won't be able to help
you.



Did you miss the ;-) at the end of his post? I suppose he was just
emulating


--
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  #71  
Old September 13th 13, 11:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 9/13/2013 6:12 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 14:09:35 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 13:07:22 -0400, DMP wrote:

On 9/11/2013 9:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:27:40 -0500, "R. C. White"
wrote:

Hi, Ken.

...perhaps he's a troll rather than a newbie.

Yeah, I've been wanting for a long time to ask: Remember Valorie?


I had forgotten. And I was glad I had forgotten. And you had to remind
me? (vbg Just kidding, of course.)


I Replied to one of his first posts and have just been watching from the
sidelines ever since. :(


That's what I should have done.


I have never kill filed anyone in my whole life, but I'm about to, but
not before someone here tells me how to contact Dell support and ask
them how...;-)

D


You do it in your news reader, and Dell support won't be able to help
you.



Did you miss the ;-) at the end of his post? I suppose he was just
emulating


Yes, I suppose it was a poor attempt at humor, but Ken got it right

D.
  #72  
Old September 13th 13, 11:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:20:10 -0400, DMP wrote:

On 9/13/2013 6:12 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 14:09:35 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 13:07:22 -0400, DMP wrote:

On 9/11/2013 9:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:27:40 -0500, "R. C. White"
wrote:

Hi, Ken.

...perhaps he's a troll rather than a newbie.

Yeah, I've been wanting for a long time to ask: Remember Valorie?


I had forgotten. And I was glad I had forgotten. And you had to remind
me? (vbg Just kidding, of course.)


I Replied to one of his first posts and have just been watching from the
sidelines ever since. :(


That's what I should have done.


I have never kill filed anyone in my whole life, but I'm about to, but
not before someone here tells me how to contact Dell support and ask
them how...;-)

D

You do it in your news reader, and Dell support won't be able to help
you.



Did you miss the ;-) at the end of his post? I suppose he was just
emulating


Yes, I suppose it was a poor attempt at humor, but Ken got it right

D.


And while he was at it, Ken caught my mistake.

I blush. My license to criticize people for missing my attempts at humor
will probably be canceled now.

As for whether yours was a poor attempt at humor: for me it apparently
was, but not for Ken :-)

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  #73  
Old September 13th 13, 11:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 9/13/2013 6:37 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:20:10 -0400, DMP wrote:

On 9/13/2013 6:12 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 14:09:35 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 13:07:22 -0400, DMP wrote:

On 9/11/2013 9:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:27:40 -0500, "R. C. White"
wrote:

Hi, Ken.

...perhaps he's a troll rather than a newbie.
Yeah, I've been wanting for a long time to ask: Remember Valorie?

I had forgotten. And I was glad I had forgotten. And you had to remind
me? (vbg Just kidding, of course.)

I Replied to one of his first posts and have just been watching from the
sidelines ever since. :(

That's what I should have done.

I have never kill filed anyone in my whole life, but I'm about to, but
not before someone here tells me how to contact Dell support and ask
them how...;-)

D
You do it in your news reader, and Dell support won't be able to help
you.

Did you miss the ;-) at the end of his post? I suppose he was just
emulating


Yes, I suppose it was a poor attempt at humor, but Ken got it right

D.

And while he was at it, Ken caught my mistake.

I blush. My license to criticize people for missing my attempts at humor
will probably be canceled now.

As for whether yours was a poor attempt at humor: for me it apparently
was, but not for Ken :-)

I hereby renew your license, as long as you remember to click on the
little square that says desktop..guess what you get?? Now I can't
remember if you have Win Ate or not

Even if you don't know the answer, then I have to play Trump....YOU'RE
FIRED.

D.
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Old September 14th 13, 12:03 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:52:03 -0400, DMP wrote:

And while he was at it, Ken caught my mistake.

I blush. My license to criticize people for missing my attempts at humor
will probably be canceled now.

As for whether yours was a poor attempt at humor: for me it apparently
was, but not for Ken :-)

I hereby renew your license, as long as you remember to click on the
little square that says desktop..guess what you get?? Now I can't
remember if you have Win Ate or not


I have Win 8 in a failed Media Center box (not really failed, just not
as neat as I hoped). I don't use it much - mainly to back up stuff from
the cable DVR or to play an occasional radio or TV program from the
Internet, like if I missed Car Talk.

ISTR that, un-Microsoft-like, the Desktop button brings up the Desktop,
which is where I spend most of my W8 time. The Modern interface is
pretty, and pretty useless, too, IMO. Since I can't speak for all users,
I want to qualify that: not so much useless in general, as just not what
I want to be using most of the time.

Even if you don't know the answer, then I have to play Trump....YOU'RE
FIRED.


Just get a decent haircut and get off my case. Or at least get off my
six-pack (I'm talking BEER!).

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Old September 14th 13, 02:36 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 15:37:05 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:20:10 -0400, DMP wrote:

On 9/13/2013 6:12 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 14:09:35 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 13:07:22 -0400, DMP wrote:

On 9/11/2013 9:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:27:40 -0500, "R. C. White"
wrote:

Hi, Ken.

...perhaps he's a troll rather than a newbie.

Yeah, I've been wanting for a long time to ask: Remember Valorie?


I had forgotten. And I was glad I had forgotten. And you had to remind
me? (vbg Just kidding, of course.)


I Replied to one of his first posts and have just been watching from the
sidelines ever since. :(


That's what I should have done.


I have never kill filed anyone in my whole life, but I'm about to, but
not before someone here tells me how to contact Dell support and ask
them how...;-)

D

You do it in your news reader, and Dell support won't be able to help
you.


Did you miss the ;-) at the end of his post? I suppose he was just
emulating


Yes, I suppose it was a poor attempt at humor, but Ken got it right

D.


And while he was at it, Ken caught my mistake.

I blush. My license to criticize people for missing my attempts at humor
will probably be canceled now.



Leaving aside any criticizing, I almost always enjoy your humor.

--
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