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Downgrading from Win 8
Ron wrote:
On 9/12/2013 10:25 AM, wrote: Well, I'm sorry to take away all the fun about this issue --- but, according to a "technician" in India or whereever -- if she really ever understood my questions -- it really took a while --- like enduring 6 disconnects and an hour of trying to explain what I needed (i.e. HP Win 7, 64 bit drivers for the machine we bought for my wife , she told me it was impossible for me to downgrade because no such drivers were available for this machine. So it's back to the madness of trying to learn Win 7 and Win 8 at the same time. Since you brought this up, I'm in a back and forth via email with HP as we speak. I have a HP laptop that I just bought a few months ago, and according to HP, the OS key for this laptop is embedded into the BIOS. And according to what I've read, if I try to install another OS if/when the HDD fails, and even if I buy a copy of Windows 8, the install will fail because of the embedded OS key. So, I'm waiting on a response from HP on WHAT I'm supposed to do when the HDD fails. This is a bunch of bull****. I bought this laptop, it is MY laptop, and I should be able to install ANY OS that I want to. The short explanation... The BIOS holds data tables. One table is called "SLIC". In the SLIC, it says "this is an HP computer". When you load a (royalty paid by) OEM OS, the activation is triggered by the value of SLIC. That means, you can load Windows 7 or Windows 8 special HP OEM version, and what those check for is "this is an HP computer". The actual license key involved, the one you find on the C: drive with Belarc, is the same on all the machines. And that license key, is different than the one printed on the COA sticker on the outside of the computer. You use the license key off the COA stick, if using an OS installer disc other than the special HP one. But for OEM-issued OS installations, they're triggered by SLIC. You need an OS that looks for "this is an HP computer", to work with an HP motherboard whose BIOS says "this is an HP computer". ******* This can be complicated, by the presence of UEFI versus conventional BIOS. But only because of some of the booting details. If the computer supports UEFI, something may need to be turned off, to get an older OS to work right. So there is still a possibility of problems, but it's due to the introduction of newer BIOS designs. Just pray your "technician" in India knows the answer to that. But that doesn't affect how SLIC works. Even retail Asus motherboards will have a SLIC, but it's effectively filled with garbage (there are bytes of data in it, but they don't unlock anything). No OS gets activated by such a motherboard. And then you need conventional license key (off a COA), and Internet activation. Branded motherboards, like an HP motherboard for an HP computer, say "this is an HP computer" in the SLIC. And the HP OS is activated right away. It's also supposed to mean, you can load different OS versions, and as long as they look for the same SLIC, they all work. Without typing in a license key. Paul |
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Downgrading from Win 8
On 9/12/2013 11:32 AM, Paul wrote:
Ron wrote: On 9/12/2013 10:25 AM, wrote: Well, I'm sorry to take away all the fun about this issue --- but, according to a "technician" in India or whereever -- if she really ever understood my questions -- it really took a while --- like enduring 6 disconnects and an hour of trying to explain what I needed (i.e. HP Win 7, 64 bit drivers for the machine we bought for my wife , she told me it was impossible for me to downgrade because no such drivers were available for this machine. So it's back to the madness of trying to learn Win 7 and Win 8 at the same time. Since you brought this up, I'm in a back and forth via email with HP as we speak. I have a HP laptop that I just bought a few months ago, and according to HP, the OS key for this laptop is embedded into the BIOS. And according to what I've read, if I try to install another OS if/when the HDD fails, and even if I buy a copy of Windows 8, the install will fail because of the embedded OS key. So, I'm waiting on a response from HP on WHAT I'm supposed to do when the HDD fails. This is a bunch of bull****. I bought this laptop, it is MY laptop, and I should be able to install ANY OS that I want to. The short explanation... The BIOS holds data tables. One table is called "SLIC". In the SLIC, it says "this is an HP computer". When you load a (royalty paid by) OEM OS, the activation is triggered by the value of SLIC. That means, you can load Windows 7 or Windows 8 special HP OEM version, and what those check for is "this is an HP computer". The actual license key involved, the one you find on the C: drive with Belarc, is the same on all the machines. And that license key, is different than the one printed on the COA sticker on the outside of the computer. You use the license key off the COA stick, if using an OS installer disc other than the special HP one. But for OEM-issued OS installations, they're triggered by SLIC. You need an OS that looks for "this is an HP computer", to work with an HP motherboard whose BIOS says "this is an HP computer". ******* This can be complicated, by the presence of UEFI versus conventional BIOS. But only because of some of the booting details. If the computer supports UEFI, something may need to be turned off, to get an older OS to work right. So there is still a possibility of problems, but it's due to the introduction of newer BIOS designs. Just pray your "technician" in India knows the answer to that. But that doesn't affect how SLIC works. Even retail Asus motherboards will have a SLIC, but it's effectively filled with garbage (there are bytes of data in it, but they don't unlock anything). No OS gets activated by such a motherboard. And then you need conventional license key (off a COA), and Internet activation. Branded motherboards, like an HP motherboard for an HP computer, say "this is an HP computer" in the SLIC. And the HP OS is activated right away. It's also supposed to mean, you can load different OS versions, and as long as they look for the same SLIC, they all work. Without typing in a license key. The short explanation? (lol) The reason I contacted them is because there is no COA sticker on this computer. So when I contacted them that is when they told me the Microsoft OS key is embedded into the BIOS (so this is a generic key right?). My next question was what if I wanted to install Windows 7 (I have a W7 disc) on this computer? That is when I was informed that HP doesn't have any drivers for this computer for Win7 so it wouldn't work anyway...Along with this - "Thank you for contacting HP Total Care. In response to your email I would like to inform you that you can only upgrade to Windows 8 Pro and windows 8.1 when the full version releases but you cannot downgrade the operating system as the infrastructure of the Motherboard will not support the operating system." So my next question was what am I supposed to do if/when the HDD fails? That question got my complaint sent to a Case Manager. If the HDD fails, will I be able to install a new HDD and use my recovery discs to reformat the computer? I don't know what's going on here, but after reading several articles about this, I've read complaints from HP, Dell, and Samsung owners who have recently purchased laptops with W8 and have concerns about HDD and/or mobo failures once their computers are out of warranty. Didn't really find a solution. |
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Downgrading from Win 8
Ron wrote:
On 9/12/2013 11:32 AM, Paul wrote: Ron wrote: On 9/12/2013 10:25 AM, wrote: Well, I'm sorry to take away all the fun about this issue --- but, according to a "technician" in India or whereever -- if she really ever understood my questions -- it really took a while --- like enduring 6 disconnects and an hour of trying to explain what I needed (i.e. HP Win 7, 64 bit drivers for the machine we bought for my wife , she told me it was impossible for me to downgrade because no such drivers were available for this machine. So it's back to the madness of trying to learn Win 7 and Win 8 at the same time. Since you brought this up, I'm in a back and forth via email with HP as we speak. I have a HP laptop that I just bought a few months ago, and according to HP, the OS key for this laptop is embedded into the BIOS. And according to what I've read, if I try to install another OS if/when the HDD fails, and even if I buy a copy of Windows 8, the install will fail because of the embedded OS key. So, I'm waiting on a response from HP on WHAT I'm supposed to do when the HDD fails. This is a bunch of bull****. I bought this laptop, it is MY laptop, and I should be able to install ANY OS that I want to. The short explanation... The BIOS holds data tables. One table is called "SLIC". In the SLIC, it says "this is an HP computer". When you load a (royalty paid by) OEM OS, the activation is triggered by the value of SLIC. That means, you can load Windows 7 or Windows 8 special HP OEM version, and what those check for is "this is an HP computer". The actual license key involved, the one you find on the C: drive with Belarc, is the same on all the machines. And that license key, is different than the one printed on the COA sticker on the outside of the computer. You use the license key off the COA stick, if using an OS installer disc other than the special HP one. But for OEM-issued OS installations, they're triggered by SLIC. You need an OS that looks for "this is an HP computer", to work with an HP motherboard whose BIOS says "this is an HP computer". ******* This can be complicated, by the presence of UEFI versus conventional BIOS. But only because of some of the booting details. If the computer supports UEFI, something may need to be turned off, to get an older OS to work right. So there is still a possibility of problems, but it's due to the introduction of newer BIOS designs. Just pray your "technician" in India knows the answer to that. But that doesn't affect how SLIC works. Even retail Asus motherboards will have a SLIC, but it's effectively filled with garbage (there are bytes of data in it, but they don't unlock anything). No OS gets activated by such a motherboard. And then you need conventional license key (off a COA), and Internet activation. Branded motherboards, like an HP motherboard for an HP computer, say "this is an HP computer" in the SLIC. And the HP OS is activated right away. It's also supposed to mean, you can load different OS versions, and as long as they look for the same SLIC, they all work. Without typing in a license key. The short explanation? (lol) The reason I contacted them is because there is no COA sticker on this computer. So when I contacted them that is when they told me the Microsoft OS key is embedded into the BIOS (so this is a generic key right?). My next question was what if I wanted to install Windows 7 (I have a W7 disc) on this computer? That is when I was informed that HP doesn't have any drivers for this computer for Win7 so it wouldn't work anyway...Along with this - "Thank you for contacting HP Total Care. In response to your email I would like to inform you that you can only upgrade to Windows 8 Pro and windows 8.1 when the full version releases but you cannot downgrade the operating system as the infrastructure of the Motherboard will not support the operating system." So my next question was what am I supposed to do if/when the HDD fails? That question got my complaint sent to a Case Manager. If the HDD fails, will I be able to install a new HDD and use my recovery discs to reformat the computer? I don't know what's going on here, but after reading several articles about this, I've read complaints from HP, Dell, and Samsung owners who have recently purchased laptops with W8 and have concerns about HDD and/or mobo failures once their computers are out of warranty. Didn't really find a solution. You got me there :-) Yes, new computers are using yet another method. Did I mention it's hard to keep track of all this crap :-) http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Win...oft,16636.html http://www.myce.com/news/exclusive-w...-method-62879/ If the key is stored in the BIOS, then I don't see how a repaired hard drive will be an issue. What would be an issue, is if the hard drive was tattooed. But if the info is stored in a BIOS area, that means you'd only lose it, if the motherboard is replaced. An identical replacement motherboard, would also have a key. Whereas, sticking an Asus motherboard in the HP, would be losing the key. Really no different than losing the SLIC table, by using a third-party motherboard. What will be an issue, is how downgraded OSes might work. The OSes Vista/Win7/Win8 bear certain similarities, and they could set up a subset of keys to work on more than one OS. But whether they actually do that, who knows. For some reason, downgrading is related to the Pro version of the OS. Which might be something you'd find on a business class machine (even though the IT department would likely be loading their own image on the machine immediately). You need to check the downgrade rights web page of the selling company for the details. Sometimes they specify you would have had to buy Windows 8 Pro with the machine, to get a downgrade. In other cases, they pretend that only machines in their Business section of the web site, qualify. Which probably boils down to using Pro. Paul |
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Downgrading from Win 8
On 9/12/2013 1:12 PM, Paul wrote:
Ron wrote: On 9/12/2013 11:32 AM, Paul wrote: Ron wrote: On 9/12/2013 10:25 AM, wrote: Well, I'm sorry to take away all the fun about this issue --- but, according to a "technician" in India or whereever -- if she really ever understood my questions -- it really took a while --- like enduring 6 disconnects and an hour of trying to explain what I needed (i.e. HP Win 7, 64 bit drivers for the machine we bought for my wife , she told me it was impossible for me to downgrade because no such drivers were available for this machine. So it's back to the madness of trying to learn Win 7 and Win 8 at the same time. Since you brought this up, I'm in a back and forth via email with HP as we speak. I have a HP laptop that I just bought a few months ago, and according to HP, the OS key for this laptop is embedded into the BIOS. And according to what I've read, if I try to install another OS if/when the HDD fails, and even if I buy a copy of Windows 8, the install will fail because of the embedded OS key. So, I'm waiting on a response from HP on WHAT I'm supposed to do when the HDD fails. This is a bunch of bull****. I bought this laptop, it is MY laptop, and I should be able to install ANY OS that I want to. The short explanation... The BIOS holds data tables. One table is called "SLIC". In the SLIC, it says "this is an HP computer". When you load a (royalty paid by) OEM OS, the activation is triggered by the value of SLIC. That means, you can load Windows 7 or Windows 8 special HP OEM version, and what those check for is "this is an HP computer". The actual license key involved, the one you find on the C: drive with Belarc, is the same on all the machines. And that license key, is different than the one printed on the COA sticker on the outside of the computer. You use the license key off the COA stick, if using an OS installer disc other than the special HP one. But for OEM-issued OS installations, they're triggered by SLIC. You need an OS that looks for "this is an HP computer", to work with an HP motherboard whose BIOS says "this is an HP computer". ******* This can be complicated, by the presence of UEFI versus conventional BIOS. But only because of some of the booting details. If the computer supports UEFI, something may need to be turned off, to get an older OS to work right. So there is still a possibility of problems, but it's due to the introduction of newer BIOS designs. Just pray your "technician" in India knows the answer to that. But that doesn't affect how SLIC works. Even retail Asus motherboards will have a SLIC, but it's effectively filled with garbage (there are bytes of data in it, but they don't unlock anything). No OS gets activated by such a motherboard. And then you need conventional license key (off a COA), and Internet activation. Branded motherboards, like an HP motherboard for an HP computer, say "this is an HP computer" in the SLIC. And the HP OS is activated right away. It's also supposed to mean, you can load different OS versions, and as long as they look for the same SLIC, they all work. Without typing in a license key. The short explanation? (lol) The reason I contacted them is because there is no COA sticker on this computer. So when I contacted them that is when they told me the Microsoft OS key is embedded into the BIOS (so this is a generic key right?). My next question was what if I wanted to install Windows 7 (I have a W7 disc) on this computer? That is when I was informed that HP doesn't have any drivers for this computer for Win7 so it wouldn't work anyway...Along with this - "Thank you for contacting HP Total Care. In response to your email I would like to inform you that you can only upgrade to Windows 8 Pro and windows 8.1 when the full version releases but you cannot downgrade the operating system as the infrastructure of the Motherboard will not support the operating system." So my next question was what am I supposed to do if/when the HDD fails? That question got my complaint sent to a Case Manager. If the HDD fails, will I be able to install a new HDD and use my recovery discs to reformat the computer? I don't know what's going on here, but after reading several articles about this, I've read complaints from HP, Dell, and Samsung owners who have recently purchased laptops with W8 and have concerns about HDD and/or mobo failures once their computers are out of warranty. Didn't really find a solution. You got me there :-) Yes, new computers are using yet another method. Did I mention it's hard to keep track of all this crap :-) http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Win...oft,16636.html http://www.myce.com/news/exclusive-w...-method-62879/ If the key is stored in the BIOS, then I don't see how a repaired hard drive will be an issue. What would be an issue, is if the hard drive was tattooed. But if the info is stored in a BIOS area, that means you'd only lose it, if the motherboard is replaced. An identical replacement motherboard, would also have a key. Whereas, sticking an Asus motherboard in the HP, would be losing the key. Really no different than losing the SLIC table, by using a third-party motherboard. What will be an issue, is how downgraded OSes might work. The OSes Vista/Win7/Win8 bear certain similarities, and they could set up a subset of keys to work on more than one OS. But whether they actually do that, who knows. For some reason, downgrading is related to the Pro version of the OS. Which might be something you'd find on a business class machine (even though the IT department would likely be loading their own image on the machine immediately). You need to check the downgrade rights web page of the selling company for the details. Sometimes they specify you would have had to buy Windows 8 Pro with the machine, to get a downgrade. In other cases, they pretend that only machines in their Business section of the web site, qualify. Which probably boils down to using Pro. I read both of the articles that you posted and also this one. Needless to say my head is now spinning. Guess I will wait and see what HP says. Oh, and everyone I have spoken to at HP in the past sound like Americans....thank god. Can't say the same for the times I've contacted Toshiba. "What was that?" "Huh?". http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/w...ctivation.html |
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Downgrading from Win 8
On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 10:52:41 -0400, Paul wrote:
charlie wrote: On 9/11/2013 2:36 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:09:03 -0400, "dadiOH" wrote: "Gene Wirchenko" wrote in message On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:31:56 -0500, wrote: [snip] Well, If there were floppies that early, they didn't show on the first PC I heard of. A TRS 80 (latee 1970's) with only input/output was via a cassette tape recorder. Keyboard and screen are I/O, too. The KB certainly was, not so sure if the monitor qualifies. It was "memory mapped"; i.e., 1024 KB of RAM were reserved and anything put there was displayed on the monitor. Actually, the keyboard was memory-mapped, too. Memory-mapped I/O is still I/O. The term "memory-mapped I/O" has been in use for many years. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Floppys were around, starting with a large size 8"? that later was downsized to the ones RS, Apple, and others used. Think PDP 8, SWTPC, 8080, and so forth. (I still miss the toggle switches) We put dual 8" floppies on a computer we built at work. No hard drive in the beast, just floppies. But a *huge* amount of memory, at 256KB or so :-) Floppies were developed in the late 1960s, and yes, the first ones were 8". I remember their being used for loading microcode on the first IBM 370s--around 1970. |
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Downgrading from Win 8
Ken Blake wrote:
On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 10:52:41 -0400, Paul wrote: charlie wrote: On 9/11/2013 2:36 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:09:03 -0400, "dadiOH" wrote: "Gene Wirchenko" wrote in message On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:31:56 -0500, wrote: [snip] Well, If there were floppies that early, they didn't show on the first PC I heard of. A TRS 80 (latee 1970's) with only input/output was via a cassette tape recorder. Keyboard and screen are I/O, too. The KB certainly was, not so sure if the monitor qualifies. It was "memory mapped"; i.e., 1024 KB of RAM were reserved and anything put there was displayed on the monitor. Actually, the keyboard was memory-mapped, too. Memory-mapped I/O is still I/O. The term "memory-mapped I/O" has been in use for many years. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Floppys were around, starting with a large size 8"? that later was downsized to the ones RS, Apple, and others used. Think PDP 8, SWTPC, 8080, and so forth. (I still miss the toggle switches) We put dual 8" floppies on a computer we built at work. No hard drive in the beast, just floppies. But a *huge* amount of memory, at 256KB or so :-) Floppies were developed in the late 1960s, and yes, the first ones were 8". I remember their being used for loading microcode on the first IBM 370s--around 1970. We also did interfaces for stuff like this, but this was shared by entire departments, and was too big to sit in somebody's cubicle. http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen...skpack3-2L.jpg My memory is fuzzy now, but I think the drive looked like this. It ran off 220V wiring. http://home.ntelos.net/~donbryan/Don/Pics/my_disk.jpg I trusted ours so much, I kept duplicate copies on floppies, rather than store my only copy on that thing. It was actually pretty reliable, considering the tech used (platter area that opens to the atmosphere for maintenance). We also did a 9 track tape drive interface, and that's where the backups were supposed to go. But that didn't show up, until later. So our product line, was "half desktop" and "half mainframe", using mainframe-like technologies at the departmental level, and PC technologies (ST506) at the desktop. We had a lot of fun building it, because the end result sat at your desk. If you did a bad job, you ended up owning a bad computer. I didn't really get to work with an actual PC, until later. In another group, I asked for a PC one day, because the software I got for hardware development, only ran on a PC. And I was given an old 6MHz boat anchor PC. Worked admirably well, but still seemed so out of place (because nobody would buy us a modern PC). I think at the time, I was using Kermit or something similar, to get my files from my regular computer, over to the 6MHz PC. Over a serial link :-) Smokin performance. Might have been all of 9600 baud. Paul |
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Downgrading from Win 8
On 9/11/2013 9:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:27:40 -0500, "R. C. White" wrote: Hi, Ken. ...perhaps he's a troll rather than a newbie. Yeah, I've been wanting for a long time to ask: Remember Valorie? I had forgotten. And I was glad I had forgotten. And you had to remind me? (vbg Just kidding, of course.) I Replied to one of his first posts and have just been watching from the sidelines ever since. :( That's what I should have done. I have never kill filed anyone in my whole life, but I'm about to, but not before someone here tells me how to contact Dell support and ask them how...;-) D |
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Downgrading from Win 8
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 13:07:22 -0400, DMP wrote:
On 9/11/2013 9:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:27:40 -0500, "R. C. White" wrote: Hi, Ken. ...perhaps he's a troll rather than a newbie. Yeah, I've been wanting for a long time to ask: Remember Valorie? I had forgotten. And I was glad I had forgotten. And you had to remind me? (vbg Just kidding, of course.) I Replied to one of his first posts and have just been watching from the sidelines ever since. :( That's what I should have done. I have never kill filed anyone in my whole life, but I'm about to, but not before someone here tells me how to contact Dell support and ask them how...;-) D You do it in your news reader, and Dell support won't be able to help you. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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Downgrading from Win 8
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 14:09:35 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote: On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 13:07:22 -0400, DMP wrote: On 9/11/2013 9:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:27:40 -0500, "R. C. White" wrote: Hi, Ken. ...perhaps he's a troll rather than a newbie. Yeah, I've been wanting for a long time to ask: Remember Valorie? I had forgotten. And I was glad I had forgotten. And you had to remind me? (vbg Just kidding, of course.) I Replied to one of his first posts and have just been watching from the sidelines ever since. :( That's what I should have done. I have never kill filed anyone in my whole life, but I'm about to, but not before someone here tells me how to contact Dell support and ask them how...;-) D You do it in your news reader, and Dell support won't be able to help you. Did you miss the ;-) at the end of his post? I suppose he was just emulating -- Ken Blake |
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Downgrading from Win 8
On 9/13/2013 6:12 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 14:09:35 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 13:07:22 -0400, DMP wrote: On 9/11/2013 9:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:27:40 -0500, "R. C. White" wrote: Hi, Ken. ...perhaps he's a troll rather than a newbie. Yeah, I've been wanting for a long time to ask: Remember Valorie? I had forgotten. And I was glad I had forgotten. And you had to remind me? (vbg Just kidding, of course.) I Replied to one of his first posts and have just been watching from the sidelines ever since. :( That's what I should have done. I have never kill filed anyone in my whole life, but I'm about to, but not before someone here tells me how to contact Dell support and ask them how...;-) D You do it in your news reader, and Dell support won't be able to help you. Did you miss the ;-) at the end of his post? I suppose he was just emulating Yes, I suppose it was a poor attempt at humor, but Ken got it right D. |
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Downgrading from Win 8
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:20:10 -0400, DMP wrote:
On 9/13/2013 6:12 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 14:09:35 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 13:07:22 -0400, DMP wrote: On 9/11/2013 9:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:27:40 -0500, "R. C. White" wrote: Hi, Ken. ...perhaps he's a troll rather than a newbie. Yeah, I've been wanting for a long time to ask: Remember Valorie? I had forgotten. And I was glad I had forgotten. And you had to remind me? (vbg Just kidding, of course.) I Replied to one of his first posts and have just been watching from the sidelines ever since. :( That's what I should have done. I have never kill filed anyone in my whole life, but I'm about to, but not before someone here tells me how to contact Dell support and ask them how...;-) D You do it in your news reader, and Dell support won't be able to help you. Did you miss the ;-) at the end of his post? I suppose he was just emulating Yes, I suppose it was a poor attempt at humor, but Ken got it right D. And while he was at it, Ken caught my mistake. I blush. My license to criticize people for missing my attempts at humor will probably be canceled now. As for whether yours was a poor attempt at humor: for me it apparently was, but not for Ken :-) -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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Downgrading from Win 8
On 9/13/2013 6:37 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:20:10 -0400, DMP wrote: On 9/13/2013 6:12 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 14:09:35 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 13:07:22 -0400, DMP wrote: On 9/11/2013 9:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:27:40 -0500, "R. C. White" wrote: Hi, Ken. ...perhaps he's a troll rather than a newbie. Yeah, I've been wanting for a long time to ask: Remember Valorie? I had forgotten. And I was glad I had forgotten. And you had to remind me? (vbg Just kidding, of course.) I Replied to one of his first posts and have just been watching from the sidelines ever since. :( That's what I should have done. I have never kill filed anyone in my whole life, but I'm about to, but not before someone here tells me how to contact Dell support and ask them how...;-) D You do it in your news reader, and Dell support won't be able to help you. Did you miss the ;-) at the end of his post? I suppose he was just emulating Yes, I suppose it was a poor attempt at humor, but Ken got it right D. And while he was at it, Ken caught my mistake. I blush. My license to criticize people for missing my attempts at humor will probably be canceled now. As for whether yours was a poor attempt at humor: for me it apparently was, but not for Ken :-) I hereby renew your license, as long as you remember to click on the little square that says desktop..guess what you get?? Now I can't remember if you have Win Ate or not Even if you don't know the answer, then I have to play Trump....YOU'RE FIRED. D. |
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Downgrading from Win 8
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:52:03 -0400, DMP wrote:
And while he was at it, Ken caught my mistake. I blush. My license to criticize people for missing my attempts at humor will probably be canceled now. As for whether yours was a poor attempt at humor: for me it apparently was, but not for Ken :-) I hereby renew your license, as long as you remember to click on the little square that says desktop..guess what you get?? Now I can't remember if you have Win Ate or not I have Win 8 in a failed Media Center box (not really failed, just not as neat as I hoped). I don't use it much - mainly to back up stuff from the cable DVR or to play an occasional radio or TV program from the Internet, like if I missed Car Talk. ISTR that, un-Microsoft-like, the Desktop button brings up the Desktop, which is where I spend most of my W8 time. The Modern interface is pretty, and pretty useless, too, IMO. Since I can't speak for all users, I want to qualify that: not so much useless in general, as just not what I want to be using most of the time. Even if you don't know the answer, then I have to play Trump....YOU'RE FIRED. Just get a decent haircut and get off my case. Or at least get off my six-pack (I'm talking BEER!). -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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Downgrading from Win 8
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 15:37:05 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote: On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:20:10 -0400, DMP wrote: On 9/13/2013 6:12 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 14:09:35 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 13:07:22 -0400, DMP wrote: On 9/11/2013 9:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:27:40 -0500, "R. C. White" wrote: Hi, Ken. ...perhaps he's a troll rather than a newbie. Yeah, I've been wanting for a long time to ask: Remember Valorie? I had forgotten. And I was glad I had forgotten. And you had to remind me? (vbg Just kidding, of course.) I Replied to one of his first posts and have just been watching from the sidelines ever since. :( That's what I should have done. I have never kill filed anyone in my whole life, but I'm about to, but not before someone here tells me how to contact Dell support and ask them how...;-) D You do it in your news reader, and Dell support won't be able to help you. Did you miss the ;-) at the end of his post? I suppose he was just emulating Yes, I suppose it was a poor attempt at humor, but Ken got it right D. And while he was at it, Ken caught my mistake. I blush. My license to criticize people for missing my attempts at humor will probably be canceled now. Leaving aside any criticizing, I almost always enjoy your humor. -- Ken Blake |
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