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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
On 2015-06-01 8:52 PM, . . .winston wrote:
Zaghadka wrote: On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 17:43:51 -0400, in alt.comp.os.windows-8, Slimer wrote: People are getting invitation popups. Why? Because they've already allowed Microsoft to have unrestricted access to their machine and MS is pushing new product. Another lie, no evidence cited. Baloney. They pushed KB3035583 as a "recommended" update, and thus an automatic update, and they did it for the sole reason of turning the user's computer into their own personal billboard. There is no technical reason for that to be an automatic update. Microsoft has unrestricted access to your machine through automatic updates if the user has half a brain and takes security updates seriously. This is a violation of the trust that they will only invoke an automatic update because it is necessary to the user. Evidence cited. KB 3035583 for me tagged as an optional update - requiring the user to check the box. A big "whoops" to Zaghadka. -- Slimer Encrypt. - "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4." - "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?" (Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel 4.0.x) |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
| X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512
| X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 | | Since you're running a very old machine, I can see why you're defending | Linux Where do you get this defending Linux stuff? You're just making things up and jumping to conclusions out of thin air. That's jumping to another rash conclusion: I built this box about 2 years ago. It's not old at all. I just prefer XP to Win7 and I'm used to OE. (How is it that you were able to figure out that I'm using OE6 and yet you didn't know that indicated XP? Did you really think Outlook Express was Linux software? Or do you just think that everyone you disagree with is some sort of Linux bogeyman?) XP does what I need. I have a dual-CPU Win7-64 hotrod in the other room. I use it mostly to test software and when friends need Win7 help. We also have a Win7-32 laptop. That's also handy for testing. I write Windows software so I need to have test boxes to check for NT6 issues. But personally I don't need the hassle of all the extra bloat, restrictions and complications that Win7 added. And so far I haven't found anything that I actually need Win7 for. But someday I might switch to Win7. It's not entirely unsalveageable. and it might look pretty good if it's the only choice left other than Win10 and MacOS. | I'm not defending the modern interface, however I would assume that | Microsoft actually wanted to move in the direction of the modern | interface and abandon the older desktop. So what? What does it matter what the Microsofties want? If Ford tells you they want you driving a tractor, will you buy one? | After all, the modern interface | allows software to run sandboxed and essentially prevents a bad apple | from taking down the entire system. Since this interface is also used on | tablets and phones, Yes, it's for tablets and phones. It didn't belong on a Desktop or laptop computer. There's no sense having a Desktop if one is going to use only sandboxed trinket apps and online services. The only reason for putting Metro on Win8 at all (much less the bizarre design of forcing people to boot into Metro) was to attempt herding Windows customers, en masse, to Microsoft online services. It's not about people being resistant to change. Metro is an entirely irrelevant item blocking the Windows Desktop. The best praise I've ever heard from Win8 fans is that Metro can be blocked with 3rd-party software if desired. There's a thread right now in the home repair group, with an elderly woman who says she has Vista and Win8, but she finds Win8 difficult to use. Of course she does! It's a marketing monstrosity more than it's an operating system. What do you tell to people like that? They should just get used to it because that's "where Microsoft wants them to go today"? |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
| People are getting invitation popups.
| Why? Because they've already allowed Microsoft to | have unrestricted access to their machine and MS | is pushing new product. | | Yeah, making KB3035583 a "recommended" update was a total dick move. I'm | a little ****ed off about it. My computer is not Microsoft's billboard to | play with as they wish. | I didn't know the specifics about that. I suppose you could choose not to install updates until you check them out, but of course that's a lot of work if you don't have your own IT staff. Personally I don't allow anything Microsoft to go online for years and wouldn't. (Though it's not easy stopping all the things that go online through svchost in Win7.) I just install service packs... well after they've been tested. There's something to be said for security updates, but most of them are only relevant to low security machines running on corporate networks, and security just ain't what it used to be. There are so many 0-days being exploited that I don't worry very much about unpatched old stuff. |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
| Microsoft has unrestricted access to your machine through automatic
| updates if the user has half a brain and takes security updates | seriously. This is a violation of the trust that they will only invoke an | automatic update because it is necessary to the user. | | Evidence cited. | | KB 3035583 for me tagged as an optional update - requiring the user to | check the box. | Apparently that was only true before people started not checking the box. I just did a quick search on this patch, which I hadn't heard about, and found this: http://www.infoworld.com/article/290...-win7-pcs.html Even if it were opt-in, presumably Microsoft doesn't explain: "Check here if you want to be harassed with ads for Windows 10." The average person just sees a recommended patch, don't they? Why would they refuse it? Do you hold MS to such a low standard that you think it's fine for them to trick you into installing ads as long as it's *possible* for you not to get hoodwinked? |
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| I disagree. I think they are actively advertising on every computer with
| automatic updates installed, and there is no ease-of-use case, such as | you describe, that justifies it. | OK for you, buddy boy. Don't be surprised if you end up stranded on Windows 7 for 2 or even 3 days after release. Who knows, you might have to wait until August 3rd or 4th, trudging along for a week on an outdated OS that's no longer safe to use! *Then* you'll be sorry. |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
Can't comment on other devices or what the average person sees.
Here on Win I physically had to switch to Optional updates (today) to be able to access the update and check the box for KB 3035583. I'm quite certain I never checked or unchecked that box before. Still waiting to see an ad for Win 10. It put an icon in the Task Bar with some options to Get Windows 10. There's some telemetry in MSFT's favor involved in pushing this update down for upgrading. After thinking about, I'm leaning toward it making sense for larger population. With an impact of about 1 billion devices...if some folks listened to others around here, that advice to ignore the Get Windows app installed with 3035583 and upgrading may ultimately fill MSFT's pocketbook with million$ after July 29, 2016 for Win10 and at the expense of those same users. Free is good; Bad (Wor$e) could be having to pay for something when li$tening to bad advice or rants. -- ....winston msft mvp consumer apps "Mayayana" wrote in message ... Apparently that was only true before people started not checking the box. I just did a quick search on this patch, which I hadn't heard about, and found this: http://www.infoworld.com/article/290...-win7-pcs.html Even if it were opt-in, presumably Microsoft doesn't explain: "Check here if you want to be harassed with ads for Windows 10." The average person just sees a recommended patch, don't they? Why would they refuse it? Do you hold MS to such a low standard that you think it's fine for them to trick you into installing ads as long as it's *possible* for you not to get hoodwinked? |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
| Free is good; Bad (Wor$e) could be having to pay for something when
| li$tening to bad advice or rants. | So adware saves money? Original thinking, indeed. |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
Mayayana wrote:
| Free is good; Bad (Wor$e) could be having to pay for something when | li$tening to bad advice or rants. | So adware saves money? Original thinking, indeed. For you probably yes. For others, if it saves them money, you position is useless. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
Zaghadka wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jun 2015 22:12:26 -0400, in alt.comp.os.windows-8, Mayayana wrote: | I disagree. I think they are actively advertising on every computer with | automatic updates installed, and there is no ease-of-use case, such as | you describe, that justifies it. | OK for you, buddy boy. Don't be surprised if you end up stranded on Windows 7 for 2 or even 3 days after release. Who knows, you might have to wait until August 3rd or 4th, trudging along for a week on an outdated OS that's no longer safe to use! *Then* you'll be sorry. LOL. I've got three boxes that I would update if I went to Windows 10. Kinda makes downloading an ISO the only sane option. I'm not doing a 3 GB d/l, one for each box. Over Wifi for two of them. No. **** that. ;^) Makes me wonder who the hell has only one computer in their house. Is that a thing? Does Microsoft think that's a thing? And I'll be stranded with Windows 8.1, I'll have you know. I'm not some luddite heathen who doesn't run the latest and greatest. I'm quite happy on the bleeding edge. ;^) Unfortunately, I doubt that option is going to be available unless you physically purchase 3 full version media and use one DVD (or USB stick) to install on three machines with 3 unique product keys provided with each DVD. There is also a possibility that a MSFT account will be the source location for each devices Windows 10 'free' product key. That account may (unknown at this time) provide the option to create a DVD or USB device to install Windows...but it will still require 3 products. Even if a MSFT account is necessary...whether or not one MSFT account will be able to house multiple product keys for different devices is also unknown. i.e. All of us with multiple devices and devices with different o/s will just have to wait and see what unfolds as July 29 or later approaches. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
Am 02.06.2015 um 05:22 schrieb ...winston:
After thinking about, I'm leaning toward it making sense for larger population. With an impact of about 1 billion devices...if some folks listened to others around here, that advice to ignore the Get Windows app installed with 3035583 and upgrading may ultimately fill MSFT's pocketbook with million$ after July 29, 2016 for Win10 and at the expense of those same users. Free is good; Bad (Wor$e) could be having to pay for something when li$tening to bad advice or rants. Free is good ONLY if it is an improvement on what you already have. If Windows 10 is really going to have all the "features" I read about in the last few days, I doubt it. Well, in January 2016 we'll all know more and there will still be plenty of time to change to Windows 10, IF I'm convinced. Please answer to alt.comp.os.windows-8, as I don't follow alt.windows7.general. |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 17:57:08 -0500, Zaghadka wrote:
Microsoft has unrestricted access to your machine through automatic updates if the user has half a brain and takes security updates seriously. This is a violation of the trust that they will only invoke an automatic update because it is necessary to the user. And it's very far from the first time, too. Other examples have been cited here over the years. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com Shikata ga nai... |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
On 6/1/15 9:36 PM, Zaghadka wrote:
Makes me wonder who the hell has only one computer in their house. Is that a thing? Does Microsoft think that's a thing? sigh There's so many people on the planet, it's now terribly hard to know the status of people as a whole. There are a lot of people who don't even own a computer, because they can't afford one. They have a hard time even buying the basics. This does not include those across the Middle East and elsewhere that are living in camps. Heck, what about those in the United States displaced by floods and have lost everything? On the flip side, I've no clue about the lifestyles of Donald Trump, Hollywood stars, and others that have more money than they know what to do with. I've written about this before, but occasionally I become the proud, and sometimes not so proud, owner of older computer equipment. When I have enough pieces, I will rebuild them to legal status, with open source/free software installed, and donate to a local social services agency where the system is given to someone that can use it. Often, single parent low income folks. Currently, I'm finishing up a Vista system. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 36.0.4 Thunderbird 31.5 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
On Mon, 1 Jun 2015 21:01:03 +0000 (UTC), Werner Obermeier wrote:
Newsgroups: alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,omp.os.windows-8 Might as well added alt.comp.os.windows-10. -- s|b |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 20:43:08 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote: Slimer wrote: On 2015-06-01 5:01 PM, Werner Obermeier wrote: I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1 owners. Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why? Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother to register at all? It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source millions on the same day (they must have decent servers). So, why bother to "pre register" software? Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value? It might be that those who registered will get priority access to the operating system before those who haven't. For instance, you'd be able to download it on July 22nd rather than July 26th. Of course, I'm just assuming. The date for first availability is July 29, 2015 (not 22nd or 26th). Reserving via the Get Windows 10 app places the user in a queue for downloading. (i.e. not everyone will be able to download on July 29th. In fact the reservation could take preference until the queue is diminished to a MSFT acceptable quantity. Seems like it would be better for the average person to wait a month or two and let the early adopter find all the problems. |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
Ashton Crusher wrote:
Seems like it would be better for the average person to wait a month or two and let the early adopter find all the problems. *Especially* if you haven't been testing the Win10 Preview. If you've been testing the Preview, then you know what you're getting for the money. Going from 7 -- 10 on August 1st because "oooh shiny", is not a reason... Letting the early adopters test it, in lieu of running Win10 Preview now, will give at least some warnings and help you better prepare. I'm sure there will be some funny and tragic tales. Like the individuals who still don't know what a backup is, and refuse to use one before the upgrade. I'm sure there'll be at least one "someone help me, I lost my Windows 7!" story. We still don't know what policy will be in place a year from now, with regard to 10.x. Maybe financially, jumping off the older OSes just isn't worth it. If this is such a big win for the users, then it should be easy to describe the future policy for all to see. And we're still being kept in the dark. I can wait... Paul |
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