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One of the mysteries of Windows 10....
..... well, it's a mystery to me. Perhaps someone can explain it? I shut down my Windows 10 computer at the end of every day. There are two ways I have for doing this. First, I can go to the start button and select "power" then "shut down". The other way, which is what I usually do, is simply to press the power button. (I've configured my system settings so that when I press the power button the computer shuts down.) I have assumed that both these methods do the same thing. Shut down the computer. But there's a subtle difference when I restart the computer. If I have previously shut down simply by pressing the power button everything boots up normally. However, if I have previously shut down via the start button, everything boots up fine - except for the addition of the rather tiresome splash screen exhorting me to install Microsoft Office. This never appears when I boot after shutting down by pressing the power button. I know that with a bit of effort I could probably find out how to prevent that screen from appearing, but that's not my point. Especially as I shut down via the start button only infrequently. The issue for me is what is the difference between the different methods of shutting down my computer? |
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One of the mysteries of Windows 10....
On 10/20/2018 5:11 PM, malone wrote:
.... well, it's a mystery to me. Perhaps someone can explain it? I shut down my Windows 10 computer at the end of every day. There are two ways I have for doing this. First, I can go to the start button and select "power" then "shut down". The other way, which is what I usually do, is simply to press the power button. (I've configured my system settings so that when I press the power button the computer shuts down.) I have assumed that both these methods do the same thing. Shut down the computer. But there's a subtle difference when I restart the computer. If I have previously shut down simply by pressing the power button everything boots up normally. However, if I have previously shut down via the start button, everything boots up fine - except for the addition of the rather tiresome splash screen exhorting me to install Microsoft Office. This never appears when I boot after shutting down by pressing the power button. I know that with a bit of effort I could probably find out how to prevent that screen from appearing, but that's not my point. Especially as I shut down via the start button only infrequently. The issue for me is what is the difference between the different methods of shutting down my computer? Just for the record you can right or left click on the MS Icon (start button) and are presented a similar menu that lets you shut down the computer. Right Click Power Icon Left click Shut down or Sign out. -- 2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre |
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One of the mysteries of Windows 10....
malone wrote:
.... well, it's a mystery to me. Perhaps someone can explain it? I shut down my Windows 10 computer at the end of every day. There are two ways I have for doing this. First, I can go to the start button and select "power" then "shut down". The other way, which is what I usually do, is simply to press the power button. (I've configured my system settings so that when I press the power button the computer shuts down.) I have assumed that both these methods do the same thing. Shut down the computer. But there's a subtle difference when I restart the computer. If I have previously shut down simply by pressing the power button everything boots up normally. However, if I have previously shut down via the start button, everything boots up fine - except for the addition of the rather tiresome splash screen exhorting me to install Microsoft Office. This never appears when I boot after shutting down by pressing the power button. I know that with a bit of effort I could probably find out how to prevent that screen from appearing, but that's not my point. Especially as I shut down via the start button only infrequently. The issue for me is what is the difference between the different methods of shutting down my computer? You could use SysInternals' Process Explorer to see what process has a window handle on that prompt for Office. When the prompt appears, load Process Explorer. Use its spider web toolbar icon to drag onto the prompt window. Process Explorer will highlight which process owns that window. Once you know the executable filename, you might be able to search on it to find out where it is. No idea if this is a new problem with an old computer or a new problem with a new computer. If the latter, did you build the computer or did you buy a pre-built? If a pre-built, those often comes with LOTS of bundleware, including trial versions of anti-virus and, yep, Office. Even if a trial version, it should be listed the Add/Remove Programs applet. |
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One of the mysteries of Windows 10....
On 21-Oct-2018 10:47 am, VanguardLH wrote:
malone wrote: .... well, it's a mystery to me. Perhaps someone can explain it? I shut down my Windows 10 computer at the end of every day. There are two ways I have for doing this. First, I can go to the start button and select "power" then "shut down". The other way, which is what I usually do, is simply to press the power button. (I've configured my system settings so that when I press the power button the computer shuts down.) I have assumed that both these methods do the same thing. Shut down the computer. But there's a subtle difference when I restart the computer. If I have previously shut down simply by pressing the power button everything boots up normally. However, if I have previously shut down via the start button, everything boots up fine - except for the addition of the rather tiresome splash screen exhorting me to install Microsoft Office. This never appears when I boot after shutting down by pressing the power button. I know that with a bit of effort I could probably find out how to prevent that screen from appearing, but that's not my point. Especially as I shut down via the start button only infrequently. The issue for me is what is the difference between the different methods of shutting down my computer? You could use SysInternals' Process Explorer to see what process has a window handle on that prompt for Office. When the prompt appears, load Process Explorer. Use its spider web toolbar icon to drag onto the prompt window. Process Explorer will highlight which process owns that window. Once you know the executable filename, you might be able to search on it to find out where it is. No idea if this is a new problem with an old computer or a new problem with a new computer. If the latter, did you build the computer or did you buy a pre-built? If a pre-built, those often comes with LOTS of bundleware, including trial versions of anti-virus and, yep, Office. Even if a trial version, it should be listed the Add/Remove Programs applet. It's a standard pre-built Laptop made by Asus. Yes, I accept that every new computer like this has stacks of unnecessary crap when you buy it and I've removed most of it. And the fact that the splash screen appears doesn't surprise me and one day I'll get around to removing it. But my query is why the Office splash screen DOESN'T appear after shutting down with the power button, whilst it DOES appear after shutting down via the Microsoft start button. Clearly there must be different flavours of "shutting down" and I'm interested to know what they are. |
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malone wrote:
On 21-Oct-2018 10:47 am, VanguardLH wrote: malone wrote: .... well, it's a mystery to me. Perhaps someone can explain it? I shut down my Windows 10 computer at the end of every day. There are two ways I have for doing this. First, I can go to the start button and select "power" then "shut down". The other way, which is what I usually do, is simply to press the power button. (I've configured my system settings so that when I press the power button the computer shuts down.) I have assumed that both these methods do the same thing. Shut down the computer. But there's a subtle difference when I restart the computer. If I have previously shut down simply by pressing the power button everything boots up normally. However, if I have previously shut down via the start button, everything boots up fine - except for the addition of the rather tiresome splash screen exhorting me to install Microsoft Office. This never appears when I boot after shutting down by pressing the power button. I know that with a bit of effort I could probably find out how to prevent that screen from appearing, but that's not my point. Especially as I shut down via the start button only infrequently. The issue for me is what is the difference between the different methods of shutting down my computer? You could use SysInternals' Process Explorer to see what process has a window handle on that prompt for Office. When the prompt appears, load Process Explorer. Use its spider web toolbar icon to drag onto the prompt window. Process Explorer will highlight which process owns that window. Once you know the executable filename, you might be able to search on it to find out where it is. No idea if this is a new problem with an old computer or a new problem with a new computer. If the latter, did you build the computer or did you buy a pre-built? If a pre-built, those often comes with LOTS of bundleware, including trial versions of anti-virus and, yep, Office. Even if a trial version, it should be listed the Add/Remove Programs applet. It's a standard pre-built Laptop made by Asus. Yes, I accept that every new computer like this has stacks of unnecessary crap when you buy it and I've removed most of it. And the fact that the splash screen appears doesn't surprise me and one day I'll get around to removing it. But my query is why the Office splash screen DOESN'T appear after shutting down with the power button, whilst it DOES appear after shutting down via the Microsoft start button. Clearly there must be different flavours of "shutting down" and I'm interested to know what they are. Are you using hibernate or hybrid power modes? |
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One of the mysteries of Windows 10....
malone wrote:
.... well, it's a mystery to me. Perhaps someone can explain it? I shut down my Windows 10 computer at the end of every day. There are two ways I have for doing this. First, I can go to the start button and select "power" then "shut down". The other way, which is what I usually do, is simply to press the power button. (I've configured my system settings so that when I press the power button the computer shuts down.) I have assumed that both these methods do the same thing. Shut down the computer. But there's a subtle difference when I restart the computer. If I have previously shut down simply by pressing the power button everything boots up normally. However, if I have previously shut down via the start button, everything boots up fine - except for the addition of the rather tiresome splash screen exhorting me to install Microsoft Office. This never appears when I boot after shutting down by pressing the power button. I know that with a bit of effort I could probably find out how to prevent that screen from appearing, but that's not my point. Especially as I shut down via the start button only infrequently. The issue for me is what is the difference between the different methods of shutting down my computer? It's possible one method uses Fast Boot (kernel hibernation, not session hibernation), while the other method boots from scratch. I don't know if the "details" of shutdown are recorded anywhere or not. There can be event viewer entries, but there may not be the right kind of entries to figure this out. The "powercfg" command has some number of capabilities, and if Event Viewer didn't have the goods, that's the command I'd start researching next. To avoid excessive advertising, go through your Settings panels, and disable all the sneaky stuff. There are a ton of sliders in there. Paul |
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On 21-Oct-2018 11:28 am, VanguardLH wrote:
malone wrote: On 21-Oct-2018 10:47 am, VanguardLH wrote: malone wrote: .... well, it's a mystery to me. Perhaps someone can explain it? I shut down my Windows 10 computer at the end of every day. There are two ways I have for doing this. First, I can go to the start button and select "power" then "shut down". The other way, which is what I usually do, is simply to press the power button. (I've configured my system settings so that when I press the power button the computer shuts down.) I have assumed that both these methods do the same thing. Shut down the computer. But there's a subtle difference when I restart the computer. If I have previously shut down simply by pressing the power button everything boots up normally. However, if I have previously shut down via the start button, everything boots up fine - except for the addition of the rather tiresome splash screen exhorting me to install Microsoft Office. This never appears when I boot after shutting down by pressing the power button. I know that with a bit of effort I could probably find out how to prevent that screen from appearing, but that's not my point. Especially as I shut down via the start button only infrequently. The issue for me is what is the difference between the different methods of shutting down my computer? You could use SysInternals' Process Explorer to see what process has a window handle on that prompt for Office. When the prompt appears, load Process Explorer. Use its spider web toolbar icon to drag onto the prompt window. Process Explorer will highlight which process owns that window. Once you know the executable filename, you might be able to search on it to find out where it is. No idea if this is a new problem with an old computer or a new problem with a new computer. If the latter, did you build the computer or did you buy a pre-built? If a pre-built, those often comes with LOTS of bundleware, including trial versions of anti-virus and, yep, Office. Even if a trial version, it should be listed the Add/Remove Programs applet. It's a standard pre-built Laptop made by Asus. Yes, I accept that every new computer like this has stacks of unnecessary crap when you buy it and I've removed most of it. And the fact that the splash screen appears doesn't surprise me and one day I'll get around to removing it. But my query is why the Office splash screen DOESN'T appear after shutting down with the power button, whilst it DOES appear after shutting down via the Microsoft start button. Clearly there must be different flavours of "shutting down" and I'm interested to know what they are. Are you using hibernate or hybrid power modes? Not that I'm aware of. |
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On 21-Oct-2018 12:18 pm, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-10-20 18:10, malone wrote: On 21-Oct-2018 10:47 am, VanguardLH wrote: malone wrote: .... well, it's a mystery to me. Perhaps someone can explain it? I shut down my Windows 10 computer at the end of every day. There are two ways I have for doing this. First, I can go to the start button and select "power" then "shut down". The other way, which is what I usually do, is simply to press the power button. (I've configured my system settings so that when I press the power button the computer shuts down.) I have assumed that both these methods do the same thing. Shut down the computer. But there's a subtle difference when I restart the computer. If I have previously shut down simply by pressing the power button everything boots up normally. However, if I have previously shut down via the start button, everything boots up fine - except for the addition of the rather tiresome splash screen exhorting me to install Microsoft Office. This never appears when I boot after shutting down by pressing the power button. I know that with a bit of effort I could probably find out how to prevent that screen from appearing, but that's not my point. Especially as I shut down via the start button only infrequently. The issue for me is what is the difference between the different methods of shutting down my computer? You could use SysInternals' Process Explorer to see what process has a window handle on that prompt for Office.Â* When the prompt appears, load Process Explorer.Â* Use its spider web toolbar icon to drag onto the prompt window.Â* Process Explorer will highlight which process owns that window.Â* Once you know the executable filename, you might be able to search on it to find out where it is. No idea if this is a new problem with an old computer or a new problem with a new computer.Â* If the latter, did you build the computer or did you buy a pre-built?Â* If a pre-built, those often comes with LOTS of bundleware, including trial versions of anti-virus and, yep, Office. Even if a trial version, it should be listed the Add/Remove Programs applet. It's a standard pre-built Laptop made by Asus. Yes, I accept that every new computer like this has stacks of unnecessary crap when you buy it and I've removed most of it. And the fact that the splash screen appears doesn't surprise me and one day I'll get around to removing it. But my query is why the Office splash screen DOESN'T appear after shutting down with the power button, whilst it DOES appear after shutting down via the Microsoft start button. Clearly there must be different flavours of "shutting down" and I'm interested to know what they are. This is my understanding: In both shutdowns, Windows does some housekeeping. A software shutdown saves a more detailed state than a hardware shutdown, which AFAIK just closes HD files open for writing. Thus a hardware shutdown gives you a cold boot next time, while a software shutdown gives you a warm boot (like waking up from Hibernate). I would have thought that a hardware shutdown and cold boot would be MORE likely to attract the MS advert? But that's the method for me that DOESN'T show the splash screen? I do know that sudden power loss in past version of Windows caused peculiar glitches during boot, so that two and even three boots were needed for Windows to get its act together. HTH |
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On 21-Oct-2018 11:44 am, Paul wrote:
malone wrote: .... well, it's a mystery to me. Perhaps someone can explain it? I shut down my Windows 10 computer at the end of every day. There are two ways I have for doing this. First, I can go to the start button and select "power" then "shut down". The other way, which is what I usually do, is simply to press the power button. (I've configured my system settings so that when I press the power button the computer shuts down.) I have assumed that both these methods do the same thing. Shut down the computer. But there's a subtle difference when I restart the computer. If I have previously shut down simply by pressing the power button everything boots up normally. However, if I have previously shut down via the start button, everything boots up fine - except for the addition of the rather tiresome splash screen exhorting me to install Microsoft Office. This never appears when I boot after shutting down by pressing the power button. I know that with a bit of effort I could probably find out how to prevent that screen from appearing, but that's not my point. Especially as I shut down via the start button only infrequently. The issue for me is what is the difference between the different methods of shutting down my computer? It's possible one method uses Fast Boot (kernel hibernation, not session hibernation), while the other method boots from scratch. I don't know if the "details" of shutdown are recorded anywhere or not. There can be event viewer entries, but there may not be the right kind of entries to figure this out. The "powercfg" command has some number of capabilities, and if Event Viewer didn't have the goods, that's the command I'd start researching next. Thanks for that - I'll have a go... To avoid excessive advertising, go through your Settings panels, and disable all the sneaky stuff. There are a ton of sliders in there. Â*Â* Paul |
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malone wrote:
On 21-Oct-2018 11:28 am, VanguardLH wrote: malone wrote: On 21-Oct-2018 10:47 am, VanguardLH wrote: malone wrote: .... well, it's a mystery to me. Perhaps someone can explain it? I shut down my Windows 10 computer at the end of every day. There are two ways I have for doing this. First, I can go to the start button and select "power" then "shut down". The other way, which is what I usually do, is simply to press the power button. (I've configured my system settings so that when I press the power button the computer shuts down.) I have assumed that both these methods do the same thing. Shut down the computer. But there's a subtle difference when I restart the computer. If I have previously shut down simply by pressing the power button everything boots up normally. However, if I have previously shut down via the start button, everything boots up fine - except for the addition of the rather tiresome splash screen exhorting me to install Microsoft Office. This never appears when I boot after shutting down by pressing the power button. I know that with a bit of effort I could probably find out how to prevent that screen from appearing, but that's not my point. Especially as I shut down via the start button only infrequently. The issue for me is what is the difference between the different methods of shutting down my computer? You could use SysInternals' Process Explorer to see what process has a window handle on that prompt for Office. When the prompt appears, load Process Explorer. Use its spider web toolbar icon to drag onto the prompt window. Process Explorer will highlight which process owns that window. Once you know the executable filename, you might be able to search on it to find out where it is. No idea if this is a new problem with an old computer or a new problem with a new computer. If the latter, did you build the computer or did you buy a pre-built? If a pre-built, those often comes with LOTS of bundleware, including trial versions of anti-virus and, yep, Office. Even if a trial version, it should be listed the Add/Remove Programs applet. It's a standard pre-built Laptop made by Asus. Yes, I accept that every new computer like this has stacks of unnecessary crap when you buy it and I've removed most of it. And the fact that the splash screen appears doesn't surprise me and one day I'll get around to removing it. But my query is why the Office splash screen DOESN'T appear after shutting down with the power button, whilst it DOES appear after shutting down via the Microsoft start button. Clearly there must be different flavours of "shutting down" and I'm interested to know what they are. Are you using hibernate or hybrid power modes? Not that I'm aware of. So look! |
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 16:47:04 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
Use its spider web toolbar icon to drag onto the prompt window That looks a lot more like a sighting reticle in a scope to me. Nevertheless, thanks for the info on that tool. -dan z- -- Someone who thinks logically provides a nice contrast to the real world. (Anonymous) |
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On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 12:29:29 +1300, malone
wrote: snipped I would have thought that a hardware shutdown and cold boot would be MORE likely to attract the MS advert? But that's the method for me that DOESN'T show the splash screen? Are you *new*? Have you ever actually *used* a Microsoft product before? Have you used one both before and after it is "upgraded", "updated" or "improved"? If those questions are answered as "no", "yes" and "yes" I would not have thought that you would expect *logic* or consistency from *anything* Microsoft. If it was me, I'd just put it down to Microsoft being formed from teams; one team having the job of writing the software for a slower, software shutdown so including Registry or boot-file settings that flag the nag screen to come up and another team being tasked with the hard, less slow power-button super-kill shutdown who cut out a few flags and writes and updates. Or, maybe, the two shutdown sequences having been written at different times, like Office '95 and Office 2012, so differences have crept in. Or perhaps just MS being ornery, as usual. Consistency is something computers don't seem capable of. Not when programmed by humans. Certainly not when running MS products. Anyone expecting consistency is going to end up in a soft-walled room eating their fingernails up to the elbows talking to friends from Zeta Reticulus. Have you thought of clicking on "I agree to install MSO" then killing the download? That might kill the flag for the nag screen and allow the two boot sequences to resume looking somewhat similar. J. |
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On 10/21/18 05:44, slate_leeper wrote:
On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 16:47:04 -0500, VanguardLH wrote: Use its spider web toolbar icon to drag onto the prompt window That looks a lot more like a sighting reticle in a scope to me. good idea. put a bullet into windows 10. install Linux instead. -- (aka 'Bombastic Bob' in case you wondered) 'Feeling with my fingers, and thinking with my brain' - me 'your story is so touching, but it sounds just like a lie' "Straighten up and fly right" |
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 23:38:48 -0700, Big Bad Bob
wrote: On 21/10/18 05:44, slate_leeper wrote: On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 16:47:04 -0500, VanguardLH wrote: Use its spider web toolbar icon to drag onto the prompt window That looks a lot more like a sighting reticle in a scope to me. good idea. put a bullet into windows 10. install Linux instead. I can't get Linux to install on my mechanical wris****ch. |
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On 10/24/18 1:51 AM, Lucifer wrote:
good idea. put a bullet into windows 10. install Linux instead. I can't get Linux to install on my mechanical wris****ch. You might have to disable secure boot and reformat the drive to use MBR :-} -- 62 days until the winter celebration (Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:00:00 AM for 1 day). "I draw my warrant from the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to hold the slave in bondage." -- Rev. Thomas Witherspoon, Presbyterian, of Alabama |
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