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Old February 14th 13, 06:53 PM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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BillW50 wrote on [Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:48:31 -0600]:
On 2/13/2013 10:15 PM, Justin wrote:
Paul Miner wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:48:52 -0600]:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:55:50 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

Coming from Win 3.1 to Windows 95 it was obvious that the start
button would do something. Up pops a menu of programs and tools.

There was even a sliding arrow in the task bar that would slide in and
say press start to begin.

Coming from Win 7 to Win 8, from the desktop, there is NOTHING obvious
about what to do to do anything.


I too came from starting with Windows 3.1. Although I have been using
GUI OS about 7 years before Windows 3.1. Although saying there is
nothing obvious about what to do under Windows 8... well I have seen
this coming for awhile now and Microsoft has been preparing us for many
years.

Haven't you noticed what happened to Windows Media Player v11? Heck it


No, never used media player for anything.

Then they changed other things like Office and IE interfaces. A new


Never used IE for anything but downloading a better browser

slick and clean looking interfaces we now call the ribbon interface.
Those are not obvious either to use. So Windows 8 isn't really much
different than what is what has been happening all along.


The ribbon did indeed make it hard to figure out how to just print.

However, there were things to do, and places to "play around" to find things.

With Windows 8 you have to know to press a specific key, or that the corners
and edges are "hot". My initial install of the windows 8 beta was in
an VirtualBox device. One I hit the desktop it was less than obvious how to
just launch notepad. The edges and corners may have been "hot", but since
the mouse wasn't restricted to the edges of the Win8 screen I never hit them.

And if you think Windows is tough, there are plenty of Linux interfaces
that are much harder. ;-)


Just give me the CLI
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Old February 14th 13, 06:55 PM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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BillW50 wrote on [Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:52:53 -0600]:
does the book cover running Ubuntu on a PC tablet? As it has to be
better than running Android on a tablet.


Sure, ubuntu runs just fine on the Nexus 7


Amazing! Linux is free, but Linux support costs an arm and a leg. Seems
to be far cheaper to purchase an OS that doesn't need support to begin
with. ;-)


So I should get a Mac?
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Old February 14th 13, 08:00 PM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 2/14/2013 11:53 AM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:48:31 -0600]:
On 2/13/2013 10:15 PM, Justin wrote:
Paul Miner wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:48:52 -0600]:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:55:50 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

Coming from Win 3.1 to Windows 95 it was obvious that the start
button would do something. Up pops a menu of programs and tools.

There was even a sliding arrow in the task bar that would slide in and
say press start to begin.

Coming from Win 7 to Win 8, from the desktop, there is NOTHING obvious
about what to do to do anything.


I too came from starting with Windows 3.1. Although I have been using
GUI OS about 7 years before Windows 3.1. Although saying there is
nothing obvious about what to do under Windows 8... well I have seen
this coming for awhile now and Microsoft has been preparing us for many
years.

Haven't you noticed what happened to Windows Media Player v11? Heck it


No, never used media player for anything.


It is one hell of a player. I have done many experiments with many
players and testing them on limited machines like netbooks, Celeron
CPUs, Atom, etc. And nothing can keep playing flawlessly better than
WMP. I personally think Microsoft uses secret APIs that makes this happen.

Then they changed other things like Office and IE interfaces. A new


Never used IE for anything but downloading a better browser


I don't normally use IE much, but I do use the engine IE uses under
Maxthon v3. Although Maxthon v3 can also use Webkit (same engine that
Chrome uses). So you have the best of both worlds with one browser.

slick and clean looking interfaces we now call the ribbon interface.
Those are not obvious either to use. So Windows 8 isn't really much
different than what is what has been happening all along.


The ribbon did indeed make it hard to figure out how to just print.

However, there were things to do, and places to "play around" to find things.

With Windows 8 you have to know to press a specific key, or that the corners
and edges are "hot". My initial install of the windows 8 beta was in
an VirtualBox device. One I hit the desktop it was less than obvious how to
just launch notepad. The edges and corners may have been "hot", but since
the mouse wasn't restricted to the edges of the Win8 screen I never hit them.


Well I am not a big fan of virtual machines whatsoever. I really don't
see the point of them at all. But I am sitting here with over 30+
machines, so it really makes no sense to me at all. And anything that
makes performance worse than before can't be good.

Having said that, if you do want to use a virtual machine for some
reason. I don't think you should unless you know how it works outside of
the virtual machine environment first. Because VM are not 100% perfect.
And you don't know if you are fighting a problem with the VM or the OS
itself.

And if you think Windows is tough, there are plenty of Linux interfaces
that are much harder. ;-)


Just give me the CLI


Ah yes... I used CLI from the mid 70's to the mid 80's because there was
no GUI OS that I had access to. And the early GUI OS were no match to
what you can do with the CLI anyway.

But that was decades ago and lots of things has changed. Now I am so
disappointed if the GUI still can't do what you can through the CLI. And
Linux GUI is the worse of the GUI interfaces in this regard. Not a lot
you can do with Linux if you want to avoid the CLI (aka terminal).

Heck Android is said to be using a Linux kernel and I bought one Android
machine to see what I am missing out on. And I have been using it for
two months and I still can't find something like Notepad or something
like a CLI yet.

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Old February 14th 13, 08:02 PM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 2/14/2013 11:55 AM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:52:53 -0600]:
does the book cover running Ubuntu on a PC tablet? As it has to be
better than running Android on a tablet.

Sure, ubuntu runs just fine on the Nexus 7


Amazing! Linux is free, but Linux support costs an arm and a leg. Seems
to be far cheaper to purchase an OS that doesn't need support to begin
with. ;-)


So I should get a Mac?


My Mac friends complain that they can't run as much as Windows users
can. Although the newer Mac machines can run Windows, so that solves
that problem. ;-)

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Old February 14th 13, 08:13 PM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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BillW50 wrote on [Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:00:00 -0600]:
On 2/14/2013 11:53 AM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:48:31 -0600]:
On 2/13/2013 10:15 PM, Justin wrote:
Paul Miner wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:48:52 -0600]:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:55:50 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

Coming from Win 3.1 to Windows 95 it was obvious that the start
button would do something. Up pops a menu of programs and tools.

There was even a sliding arrow in the task bar that would slide in and
say press start to begin.

Coming from Win 7 to Win 8, from the desktop, there is NOTHING obvious
about what to do to do anything.

I too came from starting with Windows 3.1. Although I have been using
GUI OS about 7 years before Windows 3.1. Although saying there is
nothing obvious about what to do under Windows 8... well I have seen
this coming for awhile now and Microsoft has been preparing us for many
years.

Haven't you noticed what happened to Windows Media Player v11? Heck it


No, never used media player for anything.


It is one hell of a player. I have done many experiments with many
players and testing them on limited machines like netbooks, Celeron
CPUs, Atom, etc. And nothing can keep playing flawlessly better than
WMP. I personally think Microsoft uses secret APIs that makes this happen.


I've always used winamp, since before there was a media player.
*shrug*

slick and clean looking interfaces we now call the ribbon interface.
Those are not obvious either to use. So Windows 8 isn't really much
different than what is what has been happening all along.


The ribbon did indeed make it hard to figure out how to just print.

However, there were things to do, and places to "play around" to find things.

With Windows 8 you have to know to press a specific key, or that the corners
and edges are "hot". My initial install of the windows 8 beta was in
an VirtualBox device. One I hit the desktop it was less than obvious how to
just launch notepad. The edges and corners may have been "hot", but since
the mouse wasn't restricted to the edges of the Win8 screen I never hit them.


Well I am not a big fan of virtual machines whatsoever. I really don't
see the point of them at all. But I am sitting here with over 30+
machines, so it really makes no sense to me at all. And anything that
makes performance worse than before can't be good.


I used the VM because I didn't want to upgrade anything to a beta version
and wanted to see how it works.


Having said that, if you do want to use a virtual machine for some
reason. I don't think you should unless you know how it works outside of
the virtual machine environment first. Because VM are not 100% perfect.


This requires you have a spare machine that you can install it on
and wipe out and reinstall if you run into issues.

Heck Android is said to be using a Linux kernel and I bought one Android
machine to see what I am missing out on. And I have been using it for
two months and I still can't find something like Notepad or something
like a CLI yet.


There's no notepad that comes with Android, you need to install one.
There's also no shell, unless you install the adb on your computer and hook
into it via USB
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Old February 14th 13, 08:14 PM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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BillW50 wrote on [Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:02:05 -0600]:
On 2/14/2013 11:55 AM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:52:53 -0600]:
does the book cover running Ubuntu on a PC tablet? As it has to be
better than running Android on a tablet.

Sure, ubuntu runs just fine on the Nexus 7

Amazing! Linux is free, but Linux support costs an arm and a leg. Seems
to be far cheaper to purchase an OS that doesn't need support to begin
with. ;-)


So I should get a Mac?


My Mac friends complain that they can't run as much as Windows users
can. Although the newer Mac machines can run Windows, so that solves
that problem. ;-)


Except that the windows drivers for Mac hardware are hopelessly out of date
to convince people to use OSX
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Old February 14th 13, 09:37 PM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 2/14/2013 1:13 PM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:00:00 -0600]:
On 2/14/2013 11:53 AM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:48:31 -0600]:
On 2/13/2013 10:15 PM, Justin wrote:
Paul Miner wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:48:52 -0600]:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:55:50 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

Coming from Win 3.1 to Windows 95 it was obvious that the start
button would do something. Up pops a menu of programs and tools.

There was even a sliding arrow in the task bar that would slide in and
say press start to begin.

Coming from Win 7 to Win 8, from the desktop, there is NOTHING obvious
about what to do to do anything.

I too came from starting with Windows 3.1. Although I have been using
GUI OS about 7 years before Windows 3.1. Although saying there is
nothing obvious about what to do under Windows 8... well I have seen
this coming for awhile now and Microsoft has been preparing us for many
years.

Haven't you noticed what happened to Windows Media Player v11? Heck it

No, never used media player for anything.


It is one hell of a player. I have done many experiments with many
players and testing them on limited machines like netbooks, Celeron
CPUs, Atom, etc. And nothing can keep playing flawlessly better than
WMP. I personally think Microsoft uses secret APIs that makes this happen.


I've always used winamp, since before there was a media player.
*shrug*


Yeah I used Winamp too, mainly I used sound cards in the past that
didn't work with anything but Winamp, some desktops replacements that
only worked with Winamp, and branded OEM that came with Winamp. It is
cute and bloated on all. The versions that I used never worked with
multimedia keyboards. But WMP always did. VLC does work with multimedia
keyboards too, but still can't hold a candle to WMP for flawless playback.

slick and clean looking interfaces we now call the ribbon interface.
Those are not obvious either to use. So Windows 8 isn't really much
different than what is what has been happening all along.

The ribbon did indeed make it hard to figure out how to just print.

However, there were things to do, and places to "play around" to find things.

With Windows 8 you have to know to press a specific key, or that the corners
and edges are "hot". My initial install of the windows 8 beta was in
an VirtualBox device. One I hit the desktop it was less than obvious how to
just launch notepad. The edges and corners may have been "hot", but since
the mouse wasn't restricted to the edges of the Win8 screen I never hit them.


Well I am not a big fan of virtual machines whatsoever. I really don't
see the point of them at all. But I am sitting here with over 30+
machines, so it really makes no sense to me at all. And anything that
makes performance worse than before can't be good.


I used the VM because I didn't want to upgrade anything to a beta version
and wanted to see how it works.


Well I have 30+ machines, but even if I only had one machine... a spare
drive would solve that problem.

Having said that, if you do want to use a virtual machine for some
reason. I don't think you should unless you know how it works outside of
the virtual machine environment first. Because VM are not 100% perfect.


This requires you have a spare machine that you can install it on
and wipe out and reinstall if you run into issues.


In this day and age, I can't see anybody being stuck with one machine
anymore. And age doesn't matter like it used too in the past. This
machine is 6 years old and it is still one of my favorites. If I had to
give up my 30+ machines and I only could keep one, this one might be it.
Although I have eight of these M465s and one does sport a T7400 Core2
Duo which I would like a hair better than this one.

But if you were limited with only one machine, one machine that you can
swap out the hard drive in a second or two would be my next choice. Most
of my machines are just that easy.

Heck Android is said to be using a Linux kernel and I bought one Android
machine to see what I am missing out on. And I have been using it for
two months and I still can't find something like Notepad or something
like a CLI yet.


There's no notepad that comes with Android, you need to install one.


Oh come on! An OS without some sort of text editor? I've used like 30
different OS throughout the decades and this is the first one without
one. I did install something and it has a freeware and a payware
versions. I forgot what it is called, but it is just terrible. Hard to
believe you can screw up something as simple as a text editor.

There's also no shell, unless you install the adb on your computer and hook
into it via USB


You're kidding? Heck why bother with an Android at all? Why not just get
virtually any PC tablet and throw Ubuntu on it (or your favorite distro)
and be far ahead of the game without all of the limitations of the
Android? The Android reminds me so much like being stuck with Windows 8
Metro (aka Windows RT) and you can't go anywhere else (at least not very
easily without some sort of hack).

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Old February 14th 13, 09:49 PM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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BillW50 wrote on [Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:37:25 -0600]:

Yeah I used Winamp too, mainly I used sound cards in the past that
didn't work with anything but Winamp, some desktops replacements that
only worked with Winamp, and branded OEM that came with Winamp. It is
cute and bloated on all. The versions that I used never worked with
multimedia keyboards. But WMP always did. VLC does work with multimedia
keyboards too, but still can't hold a candle to WMP for flawless playback.


Winamp with the stock 2.x style interface works just fine, they did try
and screw it up when AOL took it over, but it's fine now


Well I am not a big fan of virtual machines whatsoever. I really don't
see the point of them at all. But I am sitting here with over 30+
machines, so it really makes no sense to me at all. And anything that
makes performance worse than before can't be good.


I used the VM because I didn't want to upgrade anything to a beta version
and wanted to see how it works.


Well I have 30+ machines, but even if I only had one machine... a spare
drive would solve that problem.


That would require more effort than I was putting into it at the time.
Oh, and that I had a spare drive.


This requires you have a spare machine that you can install it on
and wipe out and reinstall if you run into issues.


In this day and age, I can't see anybody being stuck with one machine
anymore.


Maybe if they were home where all their hardware is, sure.

Oh come on! An OS without some sort of text editor?


I dunno, it's a PITA to type on these things anyway

There's also no shell, unless you install the adb on your computer and hook
into it via USB


You're kidding? Heck why bother with an Android at all? Why not just get
virtually any PC tablet and throw Ubuntu on it (or your favorite distro)
and be far ahead of the game without all of the limitations of the
Android? The Android reminds me so much like being stuck with Windows 8
Metro (aka Windows RT) and you can't go anywhere else (at least not very
easily without some sort of hack).


That's kind of the point, "it just works"
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Old February 14th 13, 11:32 PM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:48:31 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

And if you think Windows is tough, there are plenty of Linux interfaces
that are much harder. ;-)


But much easier to set up to one's particular needs.
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Old February 15th 13, 12:04 AM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 2/14/2013 2:49 PM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:37:25 -0600]:

Yeah I used Winamp too, mainly I used sound cards in the past that
didn't work with anything but Winamp, some desktops replacements that
only worked with Winamp, and branded OEM that came with Winamp. It is
cute and bloated on all. The versions that I used never worked with
multimedia keyboards. But WMP always did. VLC does work with multimedia
keyboards too, but still can't hold a candle to WMP for flawless playback.


Winamp with the stock 2.x style interface works just fine, they did try
and screw it up when AOL took it over, but it's fine now


OMG! AOL bought out Winamp too? Surely this must have taken place before
Time-Warner bought out AOL. Steve Case was such a smooth talker that he
could fool many. But if you had some knowledge, you would see right
through his BS.

Then I heard Time-Warner was in talks to buy AOL. I was screaming don't
do it! You will lose millions if not billions. Those upper management
people are pretty clueless until it is too late and they are the last to
know.

The only good thing about the buy out or was it a merger, is that they
finally figured out what a crook Steve Case really was. And they made
him leave. But what they failed to do is to prevent him from laughing
all of the way to the bank and he had taken billions (yes that is right,
I said billions) of dollars with him. If I had any say so, Steve Case
would be rotting in jail and penniless.

Since then, Time-Warner has been trying to fix AOL (and it cost them
billions). And for that I have to give them kudos! Although I don't know
if they can ever undo all of the harm that the one man named Steve Case
has caused everybody. They are doing far better than I ever expected.
But it might not be enough in the end.

Well I am not a big fan of virtual machines whatsoever. I really don't
see the point of them at all. But I am sitting here with over 30+
machines, so it really makes no sense to me at all. And anything that
makes performance worse than before can't be good.

I used the VM because I didn't want to upgrade anything to a beta version
and wanted to see how it works.


Well I have 30+ machines, but even if I only had one machine... a spare
drive would solve that problem.


That would require more effort than I was putting into it at the time.
Oh, and that I had a spare drive.


I had taken a trip that would send me away for two months back in 2008.
The Asus EeePC 700 series were the very first netbooks and I bought a
few. Cute little things about the size of a paperback book. They ran
Linux or XP pretty well. So I had taken a chance and taken one netbook
with me and an USB drive for backups and that is it. And you know what?
While I feared that I didn't bring enough... it did everything I needed
to do for those two months. I was totally shocked that it did better
than I ever expected. Would I do the same in 2013? Hell no! We have
better stuff today. ;-)

This requires you have a spare machine that you can install it on
and wipe out and reinstall if you run into issues.


In this day and age, I can't see anybody being stuck with one machine
anymore.


Maybe if they were home where all their hardware is, sure.


Even carrying one netbook or even a PC tablet as a spare I would feel
safe today.

Oh come on! An OS without some sort of text editor?


I dunno, it's a PITA to type on these things anyway


Ah... while I have used tablets for over 10 years, I only have been
using PC tablets for 2+ months. Yes I went crazy and I own 9 PC tablets
now. The only way to learn quickly is to try many of them at one time.

And one of the amazing things to me, many of them has a dock option.
Yes, I bought those too. And having a tablet docked is so much like a
laptop or even a desktop. And you can use one docked for many hours and
totally forget you are actually using just a tablet. Although once you
pop it out of the dock you recall oh yeah, it is just a tablet. ;-)

There's also no shell, unless you install the adb on your computer and hook
into it via USB


You're kidding? Heck why bother with an Android at all? Why not just get
virtually any PC tablet and throw Ubuntu on it (or your favorite distro)
and be far ahead of the game without all of the limitations of the
Android? The Android reminds me so much like being stuck with Windows 8
Metro (aka Windows RT) and you can't go anywhere else (at least not very
easily without some sort of hack).


That's kind of the point, "it just works"


I dunno... I used Windows v1 and thought this is going nowhere. Then
Windows 2 and 3 came out and I thought the same. Then 3.1 came out and I
thought whoa! They really have something here. I really thought the
other GUI OS would have fought back and made theirs better than 3.1, but
that never happened.

I joke a lot and say Linux is nothing more than a glorified PDA OS. It
still is in many respects as I still can do tons more under Windows than
I can do under any Linux. But Android is so much closer to a PDA OS than
Linux ever was.

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Old February 15th 13, 12:08 AM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 2/14/2013 4:32 PM, mechanic wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:48:31 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

And if you think Windows is tough, there are plenty of Linux interfaces
that are much harder. ;-)


But much easier to set up to one's particular needs.


What do you mean? A PDA OS is very easy to set up too.

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Old February 15th 13, 01:17 AM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 2/14/2013 12:55 PM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:52:53 -0600]:
does the book cover running Ubuntu on a PC tablet? As it has to be
better than running Android on a tablet.

Sure, ubuntu runs just fine on the Nexus 7


Amazing! Linux is free, but Linux support costs an arm and a leg. Seems
to be far cheaper to purchase an OS that doesn't need support to begin
with. ;-)


So I should get a Mac?


If you like! If you are a graphic arts type you might just love it! If
you are not a graphic arts type, you probably wouldn't want to spend the
money.

YMMV!
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Old February 15th 13, 02:49 AM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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BillW50 wrote on [Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:04:18 -0600]:
On 2/14/2013 2:49 PM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:37:25 -0600]:

Yeah I used Winamp too, mainly I used sound cards in the past that
didn't work with anything but Winamp, some desktops replacements that
only worked with Winamp, and branded OEM that came with Winamp. It is
cute and bloated on all. The versions that I used never worked with
multimedia keyboards. But WMP always did. VLC does work with multimedia
keyboards too, but still can't hold a candle to WMP for flawless playback.


Winamp with the stock 2.x style interface works just fine, they did try
and screw it up when AOL took it over, but it's fine now


OMG! AOL bought out Winamp too? Surely this must have taken place before


Yes, way back in 1999

than I ever expected. Would I do the same in 2013? Hell no! We have
better stuff today. ;-)


We always have better stuff, when it comes to technology. Faster. anyway

Ah... while I have used tablets for over 10 years, I only have been
using PC tablets for 2+ months. Yes I went crazy and I own 9 PC tablets
now. The only way to learn quickly is to try many of them at one time.


What's this PC tablet you refer to?

And one of the amazing things to me, many of them has a dock option.
Yes, I bought those too. And having a tablet docked is so much like a
laptop or even a desktop. And you can use one docked for many hours and


The Asus Transformers look and seem to act very laptop like when docked

I dunno... I used Windows v1 and thought this is going nowhere. Then
Windows 2 and 3 came out and I thought the same. Then 3.1 came out and I
thought whoa! They really have something here. I really thought the
other GUI OS would have fought back and made theirs better than 3.1, but
that never happened.


I'd argue that AmigaOS was better at the time for so many reasons, the real
reason win 3.1 won out was availability

OS/2 Warp was also very good.

I joke a lot and say Linux is nothing more than a glorified PDA OS. It
still is in many respects as I still can do tons more under Windows than
I can do under any Linux. But Android is so much closer to a PDA OS than
Linux ever was.


Well, that's really what these tablets are. The Palms that came with network
connectivity are really the ancestor of the iPad and android tablets, like
the Palm Treo is for the iPhone and android phones.

It really depends what you want to do as to how well you can do it.

Our business runs on a mix of Linux, AIX and WIndows, none of those are
PDA operating systems. The heavy lifting is AIX and Linux and the ones with
the most compatability and least problems run on AIX and Linux. So...

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Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, BillW50 said:

I joke a lot and say Linux is nothing more than a glorified PDA OS. It
still is in many respects as I still can do tons more under Windows than
I can do under any Linux. But Android is so much closer to a PDA OS than
Linux ever was.


Linux is a power user/admin desktop. It is an OS designed to be used
as a server. Normal user desktop is almost an afterthought for it.

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Old February 16th 13, 02:22 AM posted to alt.cellular.verizon,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 2/14/2013 7:49 PM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:04:18 -0600]:
On 2/14/2013 2:49 PM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:37:25 -0600]:

[...]
Ah... while I have used tablets for over 10 years, I only have been
using PC tablets for 2+ months. Yes I went crazy and I own 9 PC tablets
now. The only way to learn quickly is to try many of them at one time.


What's this PC tablet you refer to?


You mean the 9 PC tablets? If so:

Dell Latitude ST (Windows 7 Pro SP1)
Dell Latitude ST (Windows 8 Pro)
Motion Computing LE1600 XP Tablet (touch screen)
Motion Computing LE1600 XP Tablet (Wacom plus View Anywhere screen)
Motion Computing LE1700 XP Tablet Core2 Duo (Wacom SXGA+)
Motion Computing LE1700 Windows 8 Pro Core2 Duo (Wacom)
Motion Computing LE1700 XP Tablet Core Solo (Wacom SXGA+)
Motion Computing LE1700 Windows 7 Pro Core Solo (Wacom SXGA+)
Motion Computing LS800 XP Tablet (Wacom)

And one of the amazing things to me, many of them has a dock option.
Yes, I bought those too. And having a tablet docked is so much like a
laptop or even a desktop. And you can use one docked for many hours and


The Asus Transformers look and seem to act very laptop like when docked

I dunno... I used Windows v1 and thought this is going nowhere. Then
Windows 2 and 3 came out and I thought the same. Then 3.1 came out and I
thought whoa! They really have something here. I really thought the
other GUI OS would have fought back and made theirs better than 3.1, but
that never happened.


I'd argue that AmigaOS was better at the time for so many reasons, the real
reason win 3.1 won out was availability


The Amiga failed because the users were pirates. Word Perfect spent a
lot of money on development for the Amiga. And it hardly sold any and
yet most Amiga users had a copy. And everybody else stayed away from
developing for the Amiga. And that is what killed it.

OS/2 Warp was also very good.


When Microsoft was doing the programming, this was true. But when IBM
has taken over it became very unstable and went down hill ever since.

I joke a lot and say Linux is nothing more than a glorified PDA OS. It
still is in many respects as I still can do tons more under Windows than
I can do under any Linux. But Android is so much closer to a PDA OS than
Linux ever was.


Well, that's really what these tablets are. The Palms that came with network
connectivity are really the ancestor of the iPad and android tablets, like
the Palm Treo is for the iPhone and android phones.

It really depends what you want to do as to how well you can do it.

Our business runs on a mix of Linux, AIX and WIndows, none of those are
PDA operating systems. The heavy lifting is AIX and Linux and the ones with
the most compatability and least problems run on AIX and Linux. So...


All of my Linux machines can't do any heavy lifting. Just simple basic
tasks like browsing, email, and newsgroups and that is about it. Hell I
can't even use the cams since I have no Linux software that can use them.

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