WindowsMail on Vista.

"Paul" wrote in message
...
R.H. Breener wrote:
The Vista mail NG is dead, no reply on the other Vista group so I'll ask
here. I got a windows popup to compress email when I closed WindowsMail
on Vista a few days ago, so clicked
OK. My saved inbox messages vanished. I found them but they can't be
opened. Going to the net as per the popup when I tried to open them, I
got a
MS doesn't recognize the file type. MS WM compressed them so how can MS
not
know the file type? How do I open these? What good is compressing them
as
this did, called a backup, when they can't be accessed? They're backed up
as some unknown file type? WTF?

I have some important
business email I can't access. This is very important. A System Restore
didn't help. How do I open that compressed folder called "backup" and
retrieve those messages that were in the inbox?

TIA

http://tinypic.com/m/ir27wn/4


http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...f-d683c098e679

"The location is hidden, so you have to enable showing hidden files
and folders via Control Panel | Folder Options | View (and make sure
you uncheck the option to "hide extensions ..." so you can see the
eml files).

I know where they are. MS doesn't recognize the file format it compressed
them as.


You can either browse to the message store location (default is
c:\users\[username]\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Mail) or you
can just search for *.eml and make sure you include hidden files and
folders in the search parameters.

The WindowsMail.MSMessageStore file is a database only of the metadata
and contains no messages -- they are stored individually as the eml
files.
"

Have a look around first, before doing something destructive.

"Compacting" email, as opposed to "Compressing", is a matter
of finally removing deleted emails from the email list.
Say I have 100 items in the Inbox, I delete 7 of them. Well,
they're not really deleted. However, when I "compact" the
Inbox, the stored number of items would drop to 93,
as the ones having a status of Deleted are finally
removed. This two stage process gives you an opportunity
to unDelete something. Otherwise, it doesn't serve much
purpose.

I don't use email tools like this, so I have no idea what
has happened to you.

WM compressed them into some unknow to MS format. I have no way to open the
file to access the compressed email.


Paul

On 03/02/2015 06:26 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 19:04:29 -0500, Paul wrote:



snip
search tool you're using, isn't
one of the "useless" ones. I get caught on this
stuff all the time, like analyzing program source
files (*.cc, *.h) and having software routine names
not show up in a content search. When they really
are there. Apparently, all it takes is Unix/Linux CRLF
type of line ending issues, to prevent Windows from
reading a text file properly (yikes!). Even though Wordpad
doesn't have a problem, and can open Windows flavor or
Linux flavored text or source.

Paul


Paul, I get the impression you drink too much espresso.....




Glad he does, he's probably the brightest guy on all of Usenet.

I'm damn good at fixing computers but don't have 10% of his knowledge.

"Paul" wrote in message
...
R.H. Breener wrote:
The Vista mail NG is dead, no reply on the other Vista group so I'll ask
here. I got a windows popup to compress email when I closed WindowsMail
on Vista a few days ago, so clicked
OK. My saved inbox messages vanished. I found them but they can't be
opened. Going to the net as per the popup when I tried to open them, I
got a
MS doesn't recognize the file type. MS WM compressed them so how can MS
not
know the file type? How do I open these? What good is compressing them
as
this did, called a backup, when they can't be accessed? They're backed up
as some unknown file type? WTF?

I have some important
business email I can't access. This is very important. A System Restore
didn't help. How do I open that compressed folder called "backup" and
retrieve those messages that were in the inbox?

TIA

http://tinypic.com/m/ir27wn/4


http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...f-d683c098e679

"The location is hidden, so you have to enable showing hidden files
and folders via Control Panel | Folder Options | View (and make sure
you uncheck the option to "hide extensions ..." so you can see the
eml files).

They're under WindowsMail/backup/new There is no file extension. It's just
called: WindowsMail.MSMEssageStore. And I found loads of them in the
Recycle bin. How can I get them back into WM?


You can either browse to the message store location (default is
c:\users\[username]\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Mail) or you
can just search for *.eml and make sure you include hidden files and
folders in the search parameters.

The WindowsMail.MSMessageStore file is a database only of the metadata
and contains no messages -- they are stored individually as the eml
files.
"

Have a look around first, before doing something destructive.




"Compacting" email, as opposed to "Compressing", is a matter
of finally removing deleted emails from the email list.
Say I have 100 items in the Inbox, I delete 7 of them. Well,
they're not really deleted. However, when I "compact" the
Inbox, the stored number of items would drop to 93,
as the ones having a status of Deleted are finally
removed. This two stage process gives you an opportunity
to unDelete something. Otherwise, it doesn't serve much
purpose.

I don't use email tools like this, so I have no idea what
has happened to you.

Paul

""...winston‫"" wrote in message
...
R.H. Breener wrote:
The Vista mail NG is dead, no reply on the other Vista group so I'll ask
here. I got a windows popup to compress email when I closed WindowsMail
on Vista a few days ago, so clicked
OK. My saved inbox messages vanished. I found them but they can't be
opened. Going to the net as per the popup when I tried to open them, I
got a
MS doesn't recognize the file type. MS WM compressed them so how can MS
not
know the file type? How do I open these? What good is compressing them
as
this did, called a backup, when they can't be accessed? They're backed
up as some unknown file type? WTF?

I have some important
business email I can't access. This is very important. A System Restore
didn't help. How do I open that compressed folder called "backup" and
retrieve those messages that were in the inbox?

TIA

http://tinypic.com/m/ir27wn/4

WM by design is hard-coded to clean up after so many program openings.

Explain ' I found them but they can't be opened '
- What is the file extension for the email files that were 'found'...and
where did you find them ?


They're under WindowsMail/backup/new There is no file extension. It's just
called: WindowsMail.MSMEssageStore. And I found loads of them in the
Recycle bin. How can I get them back into WM?

I'm going to try to restore them from the recycle bin.



Fyi...Vista stores email as individual eml files. MSFT's cleanup does not
change the extension of an email file.

The message you saw (since Windows Mail on Vista is not capable of
compressing email files) was probably more closely related to the below
(than what you reported above)
"Compact database on shutdown"
or
"Windows Mail can compact the message store. This may take up to a few
minutes."

Compressing - that's the word. It compressed them.


It does seem odd that you've never seen a message to compact Vista's
Windows Mail in past use (it occurs automatically after every 100 program
openings).
- How long have you been running Windows Mail on Vista......or is this
really a question about Windows Mail on Windows 8x or Windows 7 ?

This is about WM on Vista. I came on this old laptop.


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

"philo" wrote in message
...
On 02/28/2015 08:38 PM, R.H. Breener wrote:
The Vista mail NG is dead, no reply on the other Vista group so I'll ask
here. I got a windows popup to compress email when I closed WindowsMail
on Vista a few days ago, so clicked
OK. My saved inbox messages vanished. I found them but they can't be
opened. Going to the net as per the popup when I tried to open them, I
got a
MS doesn't recognize the file type. MS WM compressed them so how can MS
not
know the file type? How do I open these? What good is compressing them
as
this did, called a backup, when they can't be accessed? They're backed
up as some unknown file type? WTF?

I have some important
business email I can't access. This is very important. A System Restore
didn't help. How do I open that compressed folder called "backup" and
retrieve those messages that were in the inbox?

TIA

http://tinypic.com/m/ir27wn/4




I'm sure there is a proper way to do it
but for any type of mail program I've ever used I found that the data base
can be opened in a text reader and all the text portions of the email will
be readable.


You can copy the file and rename it to end with .doc and open it in Word.

No formatting will be intact but you can at least read the emails.

Thanks...

philo wrote:
On 03/02/2015 06:26 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 19:04:29 -0500, Paul wrote:



snip
search tool you're using, isn't
one of the "useless" ones. I get caught on this
stuff all the time, like analyzing program source
files (*.cc, *.h) and having software routine names
not show up in a content search. When they really
are there. Apparently, all it takes is Unix/Linux CRLF
type of line ending issues, to prevent Windows from
reading a text file properly (yikes!). Even though Wordpad
doesn't have a problem, and can open Windows flavor or
Linux flavored text or source.

Paul


Paul, I get the impression you drink too much espresso.....




Glad he does, he's probably the brightest guy on all of Usenet.

I'm damn good at fixing computers but don't have 10% of his knowledge.

I don't have knowledge. I have a search engine.

And a cup of coffee plus a search engine, generates
one long post :-)

Paul

mechanic wrote:
A representative sample of **what's there**
"‹é*Ÿˆœ**â€*Ã**Æ’*€ 9•éùÀ?×ñ* ô " ¤  *¨ € & uB€"

This line realy fouls up the display font on here!

And the funny thing is, it doesn't match the file
header I was expecting, either.

Paul

""...winston‫"" wrote in message
...
philo wrote:
On 02/28/2015 08:38 PM, R.H. Breener wrote:
The Vista mail NG is dead, no reply on the other Vista group so I'll ask
here. I got a windows popup to compress email when I closed WindowsMail
on Vista a few days ago, so clicked
OK. My saved inbox messages vanished. I found them but they can't be
opened. Going to the net as per the popup when I tried to open them, I
got a
MS doesn't recognize the file type. MS WM compressed them so how can MS
not
know the file type? How do I open these? What good is compressing
them as
this did, called a backup, when they can't be accessed? They're backed
up as some unknown file type? WTF?

I have some important
business email I can't access. This is very important. A System Restore
didn't help. How do I open that compressed folder called "backup" and
retrieve those messages that were in the inbox?

TIA

http://tinypic.com/m/ir27wn/4




I'm sure there is a proper way to do it
but for any type of mail program I've ever used I found that the data
base can be opened in a text reader and all the text portions of the
email will be readable.


You can copy the file and rename it to end with .doc and open it in Word.

No formatting will be intact but you can at least read the emails.


Emails are not stored in Windows Mail database..it is just an index (think
of it as a table of contents that tells the program where to find
something and the status/flag of a respective item). Opening it any other
application will not yield messages, just a bunch of gibberish and
gobbledygook.

Emails in Vista Windows Mail are stored as individual *.eml files...if not
present when viewing in Windows Explorer on Vista or Win7 (or File
Explorer on Win8) ....then two possibilities immediately come to mind
- emails were deleted (user manually, user in Windows Mail, or other 3rd
party program)
- corrupt data or sector on hard drive.

Compacting the database is not coded to delete anything that has not
previously been set as deleted *and* emptied/purged.

I found the suckers. They're in WindowsMail itself, down under Local
Folders. There are 3 Local Folders. They were under the first one. Now I
get to work half the night.



--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

"Stormin' Norman" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 21:38:23 -0500, "R.H. Breener"
wrote:

The Vista mail NG is dead, no reply on the other Vista group so I'll ask
here. I got a windows popup to compress email when I closed WindowsMail on
Vista a few days ago, so clicked
OK. My saved inbox messages vanished. I found them but they can't be
opened. Going to the net as per the popup when I tried to open them, I got
a
MS doesn't recognize the file type. MS WM compressed them so how can MS
not
know the file type? How do I open these? What good is compressing them
as
this did, called a backup, when they can't be accessed? They're backed up
as
some unknown file type? WTF?

I have some important
business email I can't access. This is very important. A System Restore
didn't help. How do I open that compressed folder called "backup" and
retrieve those messages that were in the inbox?

TIA

http://tinypic.com/m/ir27wn/4

Compressing emails should not remove emails.

The WMutil utility might help you repair your Windows Mail store.

There are no stuck messages but the compacted messages are a mess. I have
service pack 2 on here.


See: http://www.oehelp.com/WMUtil/

R.H. Breener wrote:

"Paul" wrote in message
...
R.H. Breener wrote:
The Vista mail NG is dead, no reply on the other Vista group so I'll
ask here. I got a windows popup to compress email when I closed
WindowsMail on Vista a few days ago, so clicked
OK. My saved inbox messages vanished. I found them but they can't be
opened. Going to the net as per the popup when I tried to open them,
I got a
MS doesn't recognize the file type. MS WM compressed them so how can
MS not
know the file type? How do I open these? What good is compressing
them as
this did, called a backup, when they can't be accessed? They're
backed up as some unknown file type? WTF?

I have some important
business email I can't access. This is very important. A System
Restore didn't help. How do I open that compressed folder called
"backup" and retrieve those messages that were in the inbox?

TIA

http://tinypic.com/m/ir27wn/4


http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...f-d683c098e679


"The location is hidden, so you have to enable showing hidden files
and folders via Control Panel | Folder Options | View (and make sure
you uncheck the option to "hide extensions ..." so you can see the
eml files).

I know where they are. MS doesn't recognize the file format it
compressed them as.


You can either browse to the message store location (default is
c:\users\[username]\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Mail) or you
can just search for *.eml and make sure you include hidden files and
folders in the search parameters.

The WindowsMail.MSMessageStore file is a database only of the
metadata
and contains no messages -- they are stored individually as the
eml files.
"

Have a look around first, before doing something destructive.

"Compacting" email, as opposed to "Compressing", is a matter
of finally removing deleted emails from the email list.
Say I have 100 items in the Inbox, I delete 7 of them. Well,
they're not really deleted. However, when I "compact" the
Inbox, the stored number of items would drop to 93,
as the ones having a status of Deleted are finally
removed. This two stage process gives you an opportunity
to unDelete something. Otherwise, it doesn't serve much
purpose.

I don't use email tools like this, so I have no idea what
has happened to you.

WM compressed them into some unknow to MS format. I have no way to open
the file to access the compressed email.


Paul

WM doesn't compress anything.

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

R.H. Breener wrote:

"Paul" wrote in message
...
R.H. Breener wrote:
The Vista mail NG is dead, no reply on the other Vista group so I'll
ask here. I got a windows popup to compress email when I closed
WindowsMail on Vista a few days ago, so clicked
OK. My saved inbox messages vanished. I found them but they can't be
opened. Going to the net as per the popup when I tried to open them,
I got a
MS doesn't recognize the file type. MS WM compressed them so how can
MS not
know the file type? How do I open these? What good is compressing
them as
this did, called a backup, when they can't be accessed? They're
backed up as some unknown file type? WTF?

I have some important
business email I can't access. This is very important. A System
Restore didn't help. How do I open that compressed folder called
"backup" and retrieve those messages that were in the inbox?

TIA

http://tinypic.com/m/ir27wn/4


http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...f-d683c098e679


"The location is hidden, so you have to enable showing hidden files
and folders via Control Panel | Folder Options | View (and make sure
you uncheck the option to "hide extensions ..." so you can see the
eml files).

They're under WindowsMail/backup/new There is no file extension. It's
just called: WindowsMail.MSMEssageStore. And I found loads of them in
the Recycle bin. How can I get them back into WM?


You can either browse to the message store location (default is
c:\users\[username]\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Mail) or you
can just search for *.eml and make sure you include hidden files and
folders in the search parameters.

The WindowsMail.MSMessageStore file is a database only of the
metadata
and contains no messages -- they are stored individually as the
eml files.
"

Have a look around first, before doing something destructive.




"Compacting" email, as opposed to "Compressing", is a matter
of finally removing deleted emails from the email list.
Say I have 100 items in the Inbox, I delete 7 of them. Well,
they're not really deleted. However, when I "compact" the
Inbox, the stored number of items would drop to 93,
as the ones having a status of Deleted are finally
removed. This two stage process gives you an opportunity
to unDelete something. Otherwise, it doesn't serve much
purpose.

I don't use email tools like this, so I have no idea what
has happened to you.

Paul

That is an index, it contains no messages.

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 12:44:17 -0700, "...winston?" wrote:

philo wrote:
On 03/02/2015 01:48 AM, "...winston?" wrote:
philo wrote:
On 03/01/2015 07:59 PM, "...winston?" wrote:
philo wrote:
On 02/28/2015 08:38 PM, R.H. Breener wrote:
The Vista mail NG is dead, no reply on the other Vista group so I'll
ask
here. I got a windows popup to compress email when I closed
WindowsMail
on Vista a few days ago, so clicked
OK. My saved inbox messages vanished. I found them but they can't be
opened. Going to the net as per the popup when I tried to open
them, I
got a
MS doesn't recognize the file type. MS WM compressed them so how
can MS
not
know the file type? How do I open these? What good is compressing
them as
this did, called a backup, when they can't be accessed? They're
backed
up as some unknown file type? WTF?

I have some important
business email I can't access. This is very important. A System
Restore
didn't help. How do I open that compressed folder called "backup" and
retrieve those messages that were in the inbox?

TIA

http://tinypic.com/m/ir27wn/4




I'm sure there is a proper way to do it
but for any type of mail program I've ever used I found that the data
base can be opened in a text reader and all the text portions of the
email will be readable.


You can copy the file and rename it to end with .doc and open it in
Word.

No formatting will be intact but you can at least read the emails.


Emails are not stored in Windows Mail database..it is just an index
(think of it as a table of contents that tells the program where to
find
something and the status/flag of a respective item). Opening it any
other application will not yield messages, just a bunch of gibberish
and
gobbledygook.

Emails in Vista Windows Mail are stored as individual *.eml files...if
not present when viewing in Windows Explorer on Vista or Win7 (or File
Explorer on Win8) ....then two possibilities immediately come to mind
- emails were deleted (user manually, user in Windows Mail, or other
3rd party program)
- corrupt data or sector on hard drive.

Compacting the database is not coded to delete anything that has not
previously been set as deleted *and* emptied/purged.






Considering it's a 150 meg file, to me that looks like the whole thing.

OTOH I guess that might be too large to open in a text reader...

Size of the index doesn't mean much without knowing the entire size of
the Windows Mail folder in the users profile namespace AppData local
folder.

g A text reader might balk a bit.





I suppose the OP could concatenate the file from the command line to see
what's there.

A waste of time.

A representative sample of **what's there**
"‹é
Ÿˆœ

â€*Ã*
Æ’
€ 9•éùÀ?×ñ
ô " ¤ 
¨ € & uB€"

Has anyone noticed the OP apparently doesn't give a hoot about this topic? He
has been MIA since the initial post.

Newsreader not showing all messages?
- Op has posted 6 times in the thread.

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

mechanic wrote:
On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 12:44:17 -0700, "...winston‫" wrote:

A representative sample of **what's there**
"‹é*Ÿˆœ**â€*Ã**Æ’*€ 9•éùÀ?×ñ* ô " ¤  *¨ € & uB€"

This line realy fouls up the display font on here!

There's more where that came from.g

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 03/02/2015 08:49 PM, Paul wrote:



snip
ge.

I don't have knowledge. I have a search engine.

And a cup of coffee plus a search engine, generates
one long post :-)

Paul



Then your search engine is a V-8 and the rest of us just have Briggs &
Stratton's.


As to coffee, my wife and I no longer even bother getting it by the five
pound bag...now we drink so little coffee that we can get by several
days on just a two pound bag.

"Nil" wrote in message
...
On 02 Mar 2015, Stormin' Norman wrote
in alt.comp.os.windows-8:

Has anyone noticed the OP apparently doesn't give a hoot about
this topic? He has been MIA since the initial post.

He's done that with several other topics he's started. I don't bother
replying to him any more.

Some people have to work for a living. I can't get here every day.