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The new HP W8.1 PC
In message , R.H. Breener
writes It's running 8.1 which was already installed by HP. Well, that's what is running on a machine here, although not an HP machine. Mine is 64-bit, for info. You didn't identify the machine model, although that may not matter. If I hold the Windows key down and press Enter, it toggles Narrator on and off. Here, I'm in the desktop with the basic Control Panel on the screen, so there is something for it to read. I still think that there are 2 different times when Narrator can be enabled, one being before the machine logs on, the other within Windows. -- Bill |
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The new HP W8.1 PC - ClassicShell is gone now!
R.H. Breener wrote on 3/3/2015 10:21 AM:
There is no tile of any kind in the lower left corner. There is nothing but tiles all over the desktop. I can't get past them. I can't do anything but move them around. Win-D maybe? |
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The new HP W8.1 PC - ClassicShell is gone now!
"Bill" wrote in message ... In message , R.H. Breener writes There is nothing but tiles all over the desktop. I can't get past them. I can't do anything but move them around. If you move the cursor to the bottom of the screen, do you see a down arrow in a little circle. If you do , click it and it should open the official Win8.1 start menu. This should give you a list of programs. This may give you desktop under D. -- Bill The little arrow just moved down to another screen full of useless but smaller advertising tiles. I tried a few things another W8 user suggested and it worked. I hit the Window's key twice and the desktop reverted to Classic Shell. W8 doesn't come up with CS like W7 does. It still comes up with the tiles but no start button on the bottom left. I can't mess with W8 tonight. Have to get some work done. |
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The new HP W8.1 PC - ClassicShell is gone now!
"Alek" wrote in message ... R.H. Breener wrote on 3/3/2015 10:21 AM: There is no tile of any kind in the lower left corner. There is nothing but tiles all over the desktop. I can't get past them. I can't do anything but move them around. Win-D maybe? Hitting the Window's Key twice seems to have worked. I'll try that at next boot if the other fails. |
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The new HP W8.1 PC - ClassicShell is gone now!
In message , R.H. Breener
writes "Alek" wrote in message ... R.H. Breener wrote on 3/3/2015 10:21 AM: There is no tile of any kind in the lower left corner. There is nothing but tiles all over the desktop. I can't get past them. I can't do anything but move them around. Win-D maybe? Hitting the Window's Key twice seems to have worked. I'll try that at next boot if the other fails. I feel I have to say again. Restart rather than just close down and reboot. Later on you can examine the tribulations of "Fast Startup" in the bowels of Control Panel. -- Bill |
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The new HP W8.1 PC - ClassicShell is gone now!
In message , R.H. Breener
writes The little arrow just moved down to another screen full of useless but smaller advertising tiles. Assuming that the machine is actually working, this is a crucial thing about Windows 8.1. These "advertising tiles" are the start menu laid out horizontally rather than the vertical lists that are the start menu in Windows 7. The concept may be (is?) completely misguided, but it is the way Windows 8 was intended to work, and it is possible to adjust to this. I have spent quite a bit of time with people who had to adjust to Win8. I would say that about half of them installed something like Classic Shell, but others just carried on and got to grips with the "native" Windows 8. I don't make any excuses for Win 8, and there are huge annoyances that appear as one starts trying to do anything creative beyond the basics. I think the concept was totally misguided, but if you have it on a machine, it is sensible to make a solid attempt to understand what it is trying to do. If I were trying to get some work done on the machine, I would either muddle through and hope that the potential free upgrade to Windows 10 helps, or I'd be contacting HP to see if there is something that they can provide to take the machine back to Windows 7 (after taking an image of the W8.1 installation). -- Bill |
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The new HP W8.1 PC - ClassicShell is gone now!
On 3/4/2015 4:49 AM, Bill wrote:
In message , R.H. Breener writes The little arrow just moved down to another screen full of useless but smaller advertising tiles. Assuming that the machine is actually working, this is a crucial thing about Windows 8.1. These "advertising tiles" are the start menu laid out horizontally rather than the vertical lists that are the start menu in Windows 7. The concept may be (is?) completely misguided, but it is the way Windows 8 was intended to work, and it is possible to adjust to this. I have spent quite a bit of time with people who had to adjust to Win8. I would say that about half of them installed something like Classic Shell, but others just carried on and got to grips with the "native" Windows 8. I don't make any excuses for Win 8, and there are huge annoyances that appear as one starts trying to do anything creative beyond the basics. I think the concept was totally misguided, but if you have it on a machine, it is sensible to make a solid attempt to understand what it is trying to do. If I were trying to get some work done on the machine, I would either muddle through and hope that the potential free upgrade to Windows 10 helps, or I'd be contacting HP to see if there is something that they can provide to take the machine back to Windows 7 (after taking an image of the W8.1 installation). I was one who started out completely against Windows 8. Then along came Windows 8.1. After making the changes to boot to the Desktop, things became much better. I boot to the desktop and spend all of my time working through the desktop interface. Being older than most I like the Windows 8 start menu. I find it much easier to scroll the Start page, rather that squinting to find the program I am looking for in Programs on the old Start menu with its multiple levels of grouped programs. Of course you have to get rid of the garbage so it only shows the programs you will potentially use. Next you have to clean up the apps menu, and uninstall any thing you don't want. This is no different than any computer I have ever purchased, Even my old DOS computer had programs for subscribing to AOL, and other nonsense. For research I like the Jumplist. I can bounce into an out of files using the Jumplist. They help me keep the open windows down to a reasonable number. Normally I have the browser, wordprocessor, spreadsheet, and Adobe Reader open each with several files in each. I hope that Windows 10 does not remove these features that have proved so useful in Windows 8. |
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The new HP W8.1 PC - ClassicShell is gone now!
On 3/4/2015 4:49 AM, Bill wrote:.
If I were trying to get some work done on the machine, I would either muddle through and hope that the potential free upgrade to Windows 10 helps, or I'd be contacting HP to see if there is something that they can provide to take the machine back to Windows 7 (after taking an image of the W8.1 installation). My HP machine is a little over 2 years old and HP doesn't have any Windows 7 drivers for it. Windows 8 and 8.1 drivers only. |
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The new HP W8.1 PC - ClassicShell is gone now!
On 3/4/2015 12:43 PM, Ron wrote:
On 3/4/2015 4:49 AM, Bill wrote:. If I were trying to get some work done on the machine, I would either muddle through and hope that the potential free upgrade to Windows 10 helps, or I'd be contacting HP to see if there is something that they can provide to take the machine back to Windows 7 (after taking an image of the W8.1 installation). My HP machine is a little over 2 years old and HP doesn't have any Windows 7 drivers for it. Windows 8 and 8.1 drivers only. Have you tried this site. http://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/ |
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The new HP W8.1 PC - ClassicShell is gone now!
On 3/4/2015 1:19 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 3/4/2015 12:43 PM, Ron wrote: On 3/4/2015 4:49 AM, Bill wrote:. If I were trying to get some work done on the machine, I would either muddle through and hope that the potential free upgrade to Windows 10 helps, or I'd be contacting HP to see if there is something that they can provide to take the machine back to Windows 7 (after taking an image of the W8.1 installation). My HP machine is a little over 2 years old and HP doesn't have any Windows 7 drivers for it. Windows 8 and 8.1 drivers only. Have you tried this site. http://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/ Of course I have. That's how I know there are no Windows 7 drivers for this machine. |
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The new HP W8.1 PC
"Bill" wrote in message news In message , R.H. Breener writes It's running 8.1 which was already installed by HP. Well, that's what is running on a machine here, although not an HP machine. Mine is 64-bit, for info. You didn't identify the machine model, although that may not matter. It's 64-bit. It's a HP Envy. I've been searching for making a boot disk and Recovery disk and can't find it. There's been no popup either. If I hold the Windows key down and press Enter, it toggles Narrator on and off. On mine, doing that does nothing. And it looks like the blue rectangle that makes reading some of the text impossible is back. Here, I'm in the desktop with the basic Control Panel on the screen, so there is something for it to read. I still think that there are 2 different times when Narrator can be enabled, one being before the machine logs on, the other within Windows. -- Bill |
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The new HP W8.1 PC - ClassicShell is gone now!
"Bill" wrote in message ... In message , R.H. Breener writes The little arrow just moved down to another screen full of useless but smaller advertising tiles. Assuming that the machine is actually working, this is a crucial thing about Windows 8.1. These "advertising tiles" are the start menu laid out horizontally rather than the vertical lists that are the start menu in Windows 7. The concept may be (is?) completely misguided, but it is the way Windows 8 was intended to work, and it is possible to adjust to this. I'm learning that. We pay for the OS and get spammed to death. They reappear as fast as I unpin them.What a diappointment this PC is. I don't know if Best Buy would take it back like WalMart does - no questions asked. I have spent quite a bit of time with people who had to adjust to Win8. I would say that about half of them installed something like Classic Shell, but others just carried on and got to grips with the "native" Windows 8. I installed Classic Shell. It helps but now that Blue Rectangle is back messing up the screen. If you Google Blue Rectangle you'll see how many people have a problem with it and can't get rid of it. I don't make any excuses for Win 8, and there are huge annoyances that appear as one starts trying to do anything creative beyond the basics. I think the concept was totally misguided, but if you have it on a machine, it is sensible to make a solid attempt to understand what it is trying to do. It appears to be trying to SPAM the **** of the user. To sell us crap. What else is it good for? If I were trying to get some work done on the machine, I would either muddle through and hope that the potential free upgrade to Windows 10 helps, or I'd be contacting HP to see if there is something that they can provide to take the machine back to Windows 7 (after taking an image of the W8.1 installation). I'm going to have to call HP tonight when it's quiet and I can hear on the phone. -- Bill |
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The new HP W8.1 PC - ClassicShell is gone now!
"Bill" wrote in message ... In message , R.H. Breener writes "Alek" wrote in message ... R.H. Breener wrote on 3/3/2015 10:21 AM: There is no tile of any kind in the lower left corner. There is nothing but tiles all over the desktop. I can't get past them. I can't do anything but move them around. Win-D maybe? Hitting the Window's Key twice seems to have worked. I'll try that at next boot if the other fails. I feel I have to say again. Restart rather than just close down and reboot. Later on you can examine the tribulations of "Fast Startup" in the bowels of Control Panel. -- Bill Hey Bill......... I have both PCs open on my desk. I have control panel open on W8 but don't see Fast Startup. And that Blue Rectangle blocks out text. I thought got rid of it - it's back again. |
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The new HP W8.1 PC
On 3/5/2015 4:22 PM, R.H. Breener wrote:
"Bill" wrote in message news In message , R.H. Breener writes It's running 8.1 which was already installed by HP. Well, that's what is running on a machine here, although not an HP machine. Mine is 64-bit, for info. You didn't identify the machine model, although that may not matter. It's 64-bit. It's a HP Envy. I've been searching for making a boot disk and Recovery disk and can't find it. There's been no popup either. You can make recovery discs using the HP Recovery Manager. It took 6 blank DVDs for my HP. You also have a recovery partition. |
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The new HP W8.1 PC - ClassicShell is gone now!
On 3/5/2015 4:38 PM, R.H. Breener wrote:
"Bill" wrote in message ... In message , R.H. Breener writes "Alek" wrote in message ... R.H. Breener wrote on 3/3/2015 10:21 AM: There is no tile of any kind in the lower left corner. There is nothing but tiles all over the desktop. I can't get past them. I can't do anything but move them around. Win-D maybe? Hitting the Window's Key twice seems to have worked. I'll try that at next boot if the other fails. I feel I have to say again. Restart rather than just close down and reboot. Later on you can examine the tribulations of "Fast Startup" in the bowels of Control Panel. -- Bill Hey Bill......... I have both PCs open on my desk. I have control panel open on W8 but don't see Fast Startup. And that Blue Rectangle blocks out text. I thought got rid of it - it's back again. Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Power Options\System Settings |
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