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Is the XP classic start menu back (finally) with Windows 10?
On 2015-06-10 10:18 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/10/15 6:05 PM, Slimer wrote: But, the learning curve*is* steep. It's not that you can't do anything (you can do far more on Linux than anywhere else); but the program names are all different (so that's a large one-time learning curve, I agree). And none of the names make any sense except for RhythmBox. Banshee is a music player, Totem is a video player and Midori is a browser. How was anyone supposed to know that without clicking on the app first? And the names Firefox and Opera tell you it's a browser? LOL They don't, admittedly, but they're known a lot more than Totem, Krita and Banshee are so people figure out what they do a lot faster. If you had no experience with Linux whatsoever and I mentioned those three pieces of software to you, what would you /think/ that they do? -- Slimer Proud "wintroll" Encrypt. |
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Is the XP classic start menu back (finally) with Windows 10?
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 13:44:14 +1200, Dave Doe wrote:
Linux GUI's are so immature. I don't understand why the Linux dev team don't put more into that. I think it's vital. On the contrary, Linux lost their opportunity when Microsoft launched Win 8. If they'd stuck with rock stable Gnome 2 (with it's Win XP-like interface) they would have converted a lot of Desktop users. Instead, money counted and the $$huttlecraft guy went Unity and the other di$$tros went Gnome 3. Both as bad as Win8. The (bad) timing was too much of a coincidence for it NOT to have been bribes paid to the developers. IMHO. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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Is the XP classic start menu back (finally) with Windows 10?
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 10:47:10 +0100, Bill wrote:
In message , Paul B. Andersen writes On Windows, the equivalent, for me, would be Audacity & Super (I have one of the last real freeware versions). Plus a Klite-codec pack, and I'm good to go. I never edited on Windows but I'd probably just use the free Microsoft Movie Maker and maybe VLC. Just a small anecdote as a slight warning note. Friend of mine has recorded a huge number of interviews as part of his radio show over the years. He is now well into his 80's. Someone had taken one of his interviews and used a Mac to put it online. The friend asked me to listen to it, not for the copyright violation, but for the audio quality. I downloaded the file, but couldn't analyse it in the format. It did sound distorted. I ran it through Super to convert it. It was even more distorted. I had to install and use an iTunes converter to convert it cleanly and see the original distortion. I sent a report via my friend about where in the chain the distortion was likely to have occurred. He passed it on. The file miraculously returned to decent quality. The Apple man rang me and said I didn't know what I was talking about - it had always been fine. I remain suspicious of Apple fans. And Super. Did you ever try mediainfo to discover what the file was ? http://www.codecguide.com/download_other.htm#mediainfo Super is just a frontend. If it gets the codec wrong, it will not convert correctly. I'd use Audacity to convert the file (export as). http://web.audacityteam.org/ Beware Sourceforge. It's gone dark. Don't download from there. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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Is the XP classic start menu Commentary.
I think is interesting that the group of people who were at the
forefront of the development of computer, and computer software, have dug their heels in and refuse to accept the Window 8 changes. While I don't have a touch screen, I have run Windows 8 since I got my new Laptop. I was not happy with Windows 8, BUT with the upgrade to Windows 8.1, it became a quite nice system. I have set the computer to boot to the desktop, and have pinned the main programs I use to the Desktop Taskbar. I have unpinned every thing I don't use from the Start Menu, and added some that were not there. I have groups for the different types of programs I use. Internet, Word Processing, Spreadsheet, and image processing programs, utilities, etc. I have deleted some Apps that I don't want or need on my computer. I find it very convenient to right click the MS Icon to access all of the computer functions. When I need an infrequently used program, I left click the MS icon, use the mouse wheel to find the program I am looking and open it. I think that if people would give Window 8 a chance, they would embrace the new interface. Going from Window XP/7 to Windows 8, is not as traumatic as going from DOS to Windows. And Windows 8 is a much more stable operating system than the original Windows/DOS system. I still do some operation from the Command prompt, as it is faster that using File explorer. ie creating a text file of the files in a directory |
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Is the XP classic start menu back (finally) with Windows 10?
On 6/11/15 6:52 AM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-10 10:18 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 6/10/15 6:05 PM, Slimer wrote: But, the learning curve*is* steep. It's not that you can't do anything (you can do far more on Linux than anywhere else); but the program names are all different (so that's a large one-time learning curve, I agree). And none of the names make any sense except for RhythmBox. Banshee is a music player, Totem is a video player and Midori is a browser. How was anyone supposed to know that without clicking on the app first? And the names Firefox and Opera tell you it's a browser? LOL They don't, admittedly, but they're known a lot more than Totem, Krita and Banshee are so people figure out what they do a lot faster. If you had no experience with Linux whatsoever and I mentioned those three pieces of software to you, what would you /think/ that they do? G Well, if you're going to stick "no experience" in the equation, your question also applies to Firefox and Opera. LOL If we stop and think about it, a lot of software titles give you little info about what the program does. Irfanview... Say what? Excel... How does that relate to spreadsheets. We could probably go on all day with this. G -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 36.0.4 Thunderbird 31.5 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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Is the XP classic start menu Commentary.
On 2015-06-11 10:14 AM, knuttle wrote:
I think is interesting that the group of people who were at the forefront of the development of computer, and computer software, have dug their heels in and refuse to accept the Window 8 changes. While I don't have a touch screen, I have run Windows 8 since I got my new Laptop. I was not happy with Windows 8, BUT with the upgrade to Windows 8.1, it became a quite nice system. Agreed wholeheartedly. 8, in its default state, scared off even the biggest fans of Microsoft's products. I stuck around, but I have to admit that I dreaded working within the modern interface most of the time. It still allowed me to do whatever I wanted, but it became somewhat cumbersome. 8.1's been magnificent. I have set the computer to boot to the desktop, and have pinned the main programs I use to the Desktop Taskbar. I have unpinned every thing I don't use from the Start Menu, and added some that were not there. I have groups for the different types of programs I use. Internet, Word Processing, Spreadsheet, and image processing programs, utilities, etc. I have deleted some Apps that I don't want or need on my computer. I find it very convenient to right click the MS Icon to access all of the computer functions. When I need an infrequently used program, I left click the MS icon, use the mouse wheel to find the program I am looking and open it. I think that if people would give Window 8 a chance, they would embrace the new interface. Going from Window XP/7 to Windows 8, is not as traumatic as going from DOS to Windows. And Windows 8 is a much more stable operating system than the original Windows/DOS system. I still do some operation from the Command prompt, as it is faster that using File explorer. ie creating a text file of the files in a directory Same here. One of the things I like best about Windows 8 is the ability to press the Windows button and type the name of the program I want to run. Since the start menu doesn't work in the manner it did previously, I've migrated to such functionality and embraced it to the point that I wouldn't want the other way to return at all. It's very similar to how GNOME 3 works and I like it. -- Slimer Proud "wintroll" Encrypt. |
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Is the XP classic start menu Commentary.
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 11:01:13 -0400, Slimer wrote:
Agreed wholeheartedly. 8, in its default state, scared off even the biggest fans of Microsoft's products. I stuck around, but I have to admit that I dreaded working within the modern interface most of the time. It still allowed me to do whatever I wanted, but it became somewhat cumbersome. 8.1's been magnificent. Do you remember what some of the differences were between 8.0 and 8.1? I presumably have 8.1 on this laptop but I haven't seen any different behaviors compared to what I had before. Maybe it's because I've always used Classic Shell? |
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Is the XP classic start menu Commentary.
On 2015-06-11 1:15 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 11:01:13 -0400, Slimer wrote: Agreed wholeheartedly. 8, in its default state, scared off even the biggest fans of Microsoft's products. I stuck around, but I have to admit that I dreaded working within the modern interface most of the time. It still allowed me to do whatever I wanted, but it became somewhat cumbersome. 8.1's been magnificent. Do you remember what some of the differences were between 8.0 and 8.1? I presumably have 8.1 on this laptop but I haven't seen any different behaviors compared to what I had before. Maybe it's because I've always used Classic Shell? 8 didn't allow you to resize the tiles in the modern interface. There also was no "start button" which meant that if you wanted to load a program, you moved the cursor to the bottom-left corner or typed on the Windows key and entered the name of the program you wanted. The operating system was also unable of booting directly into the desktop and required you to play with the modern interface. Otherwise, it's the same as far as I know. -- Slimer Proud "wintroll" Encrypt. |
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Is the XP classic start menu back (finally) with Windows 10?
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 08:26:42 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote: [snip] If we stop and think about it, a lot of software titles give you little info about what the program does. Irfanview... Say what? Excel... How does that relate to spreadsheets. We could probably go on all day with this. G And how about Microsoft's Access? It was originally a terminal program. The name was descriptive for that. But the only Microsoft Access that most people know about is the DBMS. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko |
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Is the XP classic start menu Commentary.
On 6/11/2015 2:43 PM, R. C. White wrote:
Hi, Char. I presumably have 8.1 on this laptop If that laptop has a Break (or Pause/Break) key, just press that key while you hold down the Windows key. In a second or two, the System page should pop up. Under Windows edition it should tell you which version is running. (Mine says Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center) I agree with Slimer and Keith: 8.0 was so frustrating that I dumped it as soon as I could. 8.1 works so well for me that I don't need any 3rd-party shell at all. ;) RC -- -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010) Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) in Win8.1 Pro w/Media Center "Char Jackson" wrote in message ... On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 11:01:13 -0400, Slimer wrote: Agreed wholeheartedly. 8, in its default state, scared off even the biggest fans of Microsoft's products. I stuck around, but I have to admit that I dreaded working within the modern interface most of the time. It still allowed me to do whatever I wanted, but it became somewhat cumbersome. 8.1's been magnificent. Do you remember what some of the differences were between 8.0 and 8.1? I presumably have 8.1 on this laptop but I haven't seen any different behaviors compared to what I had before. Maybe it's because I've always used Classic Shell? The easiest way to get to the System Screen when on the desktop, right click on the MS Icon on the taskbar, and select System from the pop up menu. There is no waiting. System is the fifth item down from the top. It is right above Device Manager, Network Connecton and Disk Management. |
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Is the XP classic start menu Commentary.
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 13:17:56 -0400, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-11 1:15 PM, Char Jackson wrote: On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 11:01:13 -0400, Slimer wrote: Agreed wholeheartedly. 8, in its default state, scared off even the biggest fans of Microsoft's products. I stuck around, but I have to admit that I dreaded working within the modern interface most of the time. It still allowed me to do whatever I wanted, but it became somewhat cumbersome. 8.1's been magnificent. Do you remember what some of the differences were between 8.0 and 8.1? I presumably have 8.1 on this laptop but I haven't seen any different behaviors compared to what I had before. Maybe it's because I've always used Classic Shell? 8 didn't allow you to resize the tiles in the modern interface. There also was no "start button" which meant that if you wanted to load a program, you moved the cursor to the bottom-left corner or typed on the Windows key and entered the name of the program you wanted. The operating system was also unable of booting directly into the desktop and required you to play with the modern interface. Otherwise, it's the same as far as I know. Thanks, that makes sense then. Those are all things that Classic Shell takes care of. That explains why I don't see any difference. |
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Is the XP classic start menu Commentary.
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 13:43:45 -0500, "R. C. White" wrote:
Hi, Char. I presumably have 8.1 on this laptop If that laptop has a Break (or Pause/Break) key, just press that key while you hold down the Windows key. In a second or two, the System page should pop up. Under Windows edition it should tell you which version is running. (Mine says Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center) I agree with Slimer and Keith: 8.0 was so frustrating that I dumped it as soon as I could. 8.1 works so well for me that I don't need any 3rd-party shell at all. ;) No Pause/Break key, but it's easy enough to pull up the System Info screen, which confirms that I have 8.1. I think the mystery is solved, though. Classic Shell takes care of all of the things that 8.1 does, so I had the benefits of 8.1 from day one and thus never saw a difference as a result of the actual upgrade. |
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Is the XP classic start menu Commentary.
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 15:54:49 -0400, knuttle
wrote: The easiest way to get to the System Screen when on the desktop, right click on the MS Icon on the taskbar, and select System from the pop up menu. There is no waiting. System is the fifth item down from the top. It is right above Device Manager, Network Connecton and Disk Management. I don't have an MS icon, but I found the System Info screen. :-) Click the Start Orb, start typing system... Thanks. |
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Is the XP classic start menu Commentary.
On 6/11/2015 6:48 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 15:54:49 -0400, knuttle wrote: The easiest way to get to the System Screen when on the desktop, right click on the MS Icon on the taskbar, and select System from the pop up menu. There is no waiting. System is the fifth item down from the top. It is right above Device Manager, Network Connecton and Disk Management. I don't have an MS icon, but I found the System Info screen. :-) Click the Start Orb, start typing system... Thanks. The MS Icon is on the extreme right side of the taskbar both on the Desktop and on the Metro Start screen. (It looks like a white box with a cross on it.) On the desktop it is always visible. On the Metro Start you have to move the cursor down to the exteme lower right cornor of the screen. Right clicking on either gives the same options, including the shutdown/reboot option. |
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