From Windows, how can we open a command line on the Android filesystem?

Arlen Holder wrote:
[...]

1. Install & set up & run any free FTP server on Android, e.g.,
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/be.ppareit.swiftp_free/
Defaults username=ftp password=ftp port=2121 folder=/storage/emulated/0
2. On Windows, open an Administrator command prompt & then run:
(For the FTP user "ftpuser" with password "ftppass")
ftpuse T: 192.168.1.6 ftppass /USER:ftpuser /PORT:2121 /debug

At the time, you used the 'Primitive FTPd' FTP server and:

FTPUSE Z: 192.168.1.5 /PORT:12345 /USER:anonymous

I.e. user 'anonymous' and no password.

See news
I've successfully used that command (of course with different IP and
port) with the FTP server if ES File Explorer.

[...]

Arlen Holder wrote:
On 13 Oct 2018 09:37:52 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Don't worry, I know very well who/what 'Arlen' is.

On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 13:36:36 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

Let me tell you a secret, since you acted like an adult in this thread.
o When you act like an adult, I treat you as an adult
o When you act like a child, I point it out & treat you as a child
Do you see Frank? It's really a very simple dynamic.

Frank,
To reiterate what _you_ said, and what I said...

1. You erroneously "think", that "it only takes one response"
"to get to first blood" ... which is how a child thinks.

Nope. A child - i.e. you in this case - thinks that if it denies
unpleasant - for it/you - *facts*, that these facts will magically go
away. Most childs grow out of it. You apparently never have.

[Umpteen more lines from 'Arlen' denying the *fact* that *he* always
draws first blood.]

It's rather easy: Next time I do not respond in a normal (what you
call 'adult') way, it's because you've drawn first blood. So go back to
that earlier response of yours and try to prove that you were *not*
drawing first blood. In the meantime, the rest of us will wait for pigs
to fly and for some hot place to freeze over.

On 13 Oct 2018 14:32:46 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

At the time, you used the 'Primitive FTPd' FTP server and:

Hi Frank Slootweg,

You bring up a good point that it could be a bad FTP server on Android.
But it's not that. http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=3316456dir08.jpg

As you know Frank Slootweg, I long ago proved that I've used _every_ single
free FTP server available for Android from both F-Droid and Google Play,
since I was debugging why Windows was "flaky" with all three client
methods:
o winscp
o filezilla
o network location

I wrote detailed reviews, as you're aware, where I've concluded that
Windows is flaky with FTP no matter which FTP server is on Android.
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/be.ppareit.swiftp_free/
https://f-droid.org/packages/org.primftpd/

To your point, as a test, just now, I killed the "FTP Server (Free)" & ran
"Primitive FTPd" using the same settings, but the same thing happened.
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=3316456dir08.jpg

My tentative conclusion is that FTPUse no longer works (on Windows 10).

So I'm giving up on the test of FTPUse since the hope was to find a trick
that will allow us to map Android to a drive letter on Windows over USB.

To the point of the reason for running any server, the hope is that there
may be a trick we can make use of to mount the Android device as a drive
letter on Windows over USB (not over WiFi).

*To that end, these (new?) SAF settings in Primitive FTPd may be useful:*
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=3168139ftpd.jpg
Storage Type
o Plain old filesystem
o Super user (device must be rooted)
o Android Storage Access Framework (SAF) (e.g., for sd card)
o Read only SAF (faster !)

On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 11:08:38 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

I am acting like an adult. You're not.

Hi Wolf K,

What can you tell us about this new "SAF" setting for Android?
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=3168139ftpd.jpg
Storage Type
o Plain old filesystem
o Super user (device must be rooted)
o Android Storage Access Framework (SAF) (e.g., for sd card)
o Read only SAF (faster !)

How would you, Wolf K, suggest we use SAF to mount the Android filesystem
on Windows over USB?

On 13 Oct 2018 14:32:46 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Nope. A child - i.e. you in this case - thinks that if it denies
unpleasant - for it/you - *facts*, that these facts will magically go
away. Most childs grow out of it. You apparently never have.

Hi Frank Slootweg,

I realize that this thread asks _hard_ technical questions.
I also realize there are only a handful of intelligent people on this ng.

Nobody has a working solution (AFAIK), so I'm testing out alternatives, in
the hopes of finding a "trick" that nobody knows about yet, that will allow
us to freely map the entire Android filesystem as a drive letter onto
Windows over USB.

To that end, what can you tell us about this SAF setting for Android?
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=3168139ftpd.jpg
Storage Type
o Plain old filesystem
o Super user (device must be rooted)
o Android Storage Access Framework (SAF) (e.g., for sd card)
o Read only SAF (faster !)

How would you suggest, Frank Slootweg, we use SAF to mount the Android
filesystem as a drive letter on Windows over USB?

Holder wrote:
On 13 Oct 2018 14:32:46 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

At the time, you used the 'Primitive FTPd' FTP server and:

Hi Frank Slootweg,

You bring up a good point that it could be a bad FTP server on Android.
But it's not that. http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=3316456dir08.jpg

I actually mentioned *two* points. You addressed/checked only one of
them.

[...]

My tentative conclusion is that FTPUse no longer works (on Windows 10).

Could be, but because you didn't test in the same way as your old -
working - setup [1], you have no proof.

[1] See my earlier - silently snipped - pointer to your old posting.

Wolf K wrote:
[...]

I fail to see your problem. When I connect my phone via USB to this
Win8.1 box, I see the phone as an external drive. I can access all the
data. I see no reason to go below that into the OS. Why do you want to
do that?

Unless you have a rather old phone [1], you don't see your phone as a
*drive*, i.e. a thing which has a drive letter. You probably see your
phone in File Explorer and *only* in File Explorer.

If your phone is a Windows *drive* (or a Network Share), you could -
for example - open a file on your phone with a Windows program - for
example Notepad, *without* first copying the file to your Windows
system.

I.e. you can not open a file which resides on your phone. You can only
copy it to your Windows system and *then* open it.

This difference might seem semantics, but it is a big difference in
functionality. Without it, programs on the Windows system do not have
direct access to the files on your phone. For example you can't make
backup (backup, not just copy) of the files on the phone, by using a
(generic) backup program on your Windows system.

[1] Old Android devices might still have (USB) 'Mass Storage Mode',
which *does* give a Windows drive (letter).

On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 11:46:07 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

What's your problem?

Hi Wolf K,

*You just posted the best proof that you own the mind of a child.*

You realize you just _proved_ you don't even comprehend the _simplest_ of
technical questions, Wolf K, don't you?

HINT: Read the subject line of this thread, Wolf K.
Yes. Read it.
Comprehend it.

Yes, Wolf K.
Even though you've posted multiple times to this thread, Wolf K, you proved
in each post that you _still_ don't even comprehend even the _simplest_ of
technical *question* (which are clearly outlined in the original post).

Read the subject line, Wolf K.
Read it again.
Think. Think. Think. Wolf K.

Think. If you can. About that subject line.

I don't need to prove you own the mind of a child, Wolf K.
You proved it yourself.

I _know_ full well, Wolf K, you can't ever add on topic technical value.
You never even once comprehended even the *subject* line, for God's sake.

You're _really_ that stupid, Wolf K.
You proved it yourself, thank you.

Arlen,

I'm going to _try_ to communicate with you as adults do, honestly.
o Adults speak facts.

And tell lies as easily. Heck, even easier than young kids.

But that means that, as you pull all kinds of fantasy accusations outof your
ass (about personal stuff you simply cannot have any knowledge about) you
are, by your own rules, not an adult.

o Adults comprehend facts.

As you continuously fail in that department you're, by your, again by your
own rules, own rules, not an adult.

You acted like a child, Rudy Wieser, in _every_ post in this thread.

Prove it. Just your say-so doesn't cut it I'm afraid.

And than compare it to you your persistent ad-hominem attacks towards
*anyone* not agreeing with you. A child Arlen ? I think I can safely
call you one. If not in body, than certainly in mind.

*If you don't comprehend that fact, it doesn't change that it's a fact.*

Claiming that something is a fact does not magically make it so. I can
claim that you being a seagull is a fact, but that certainly doesn't turn
you into one, does it ? Adults know that, why don't you ?

Alienating you, Rudy Wieser, will bring huge advantages to this
newsgroup in terms of actually solving difficult technical problems.

Fat chance, seeing the ammount of support you have in these newsgroups.

As for your "difficult" problems ? All I needed for one of them was 30
seconds of googeling. Difficult my ass.

For the rest its most always your "but it must (also) do exactly
{specifications}, otherwise I do not accept it as a solution" that actually
makes it difficult. Just take a look at your current project: You've
already refused four solutions because you did not like them -
nonwithstanding that they could do what you initially posted. In short,
its mostly not the problem thats (being) difficult, but you. :-)

I _intend_ on alienating you - Rudy Wieser

As I already said, good luck with that.

If I'm being too clear for you Rudy Wieser, just let me know.

No. Just repetetive.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

On 13 Oct 2018 16:08:00 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Unless you have a rather old phone [1], you don't see your phone as a
*drive*, i.e. a thing which has a drive letter. You probably see your
phone in File Explorer and *only* in File Explorer.

Hi Frank Slootweg (cc, Wolf K),

Thank you Frank, for being only one of two adults on this entire newsgroup
who _understood_ the topic (Paul included, having posted elsewhere).

Even though this thread has tons of posts from the child-like:
o *Ken Blake* [From: Ken Blake ]
o *Wolf K* [From: Wolf K ]
o *Danny DeVito* [From: Danny DeVito ]
o *Char Jackson* [From: Char Jackson ]
o *Rudy Wieser* [From: "R.Wieser" ]
o *Sam Hill* [From: Sam Hill ]
* etc.

Not _one_ of those child-like trolls appears to have _understood_ even the
_simplest_ of technical problems posed in this thread.

*All the ignorant children like Wolf K & Rudy Wieser _can_ do, is troll.*

Only you and I are intelligent enough, not that it takes a lot of
intelligence to comprehend the subject line - but only you and I seem to
have comprehended what the problem set is. (And Paul, elsewhere.)

[1] Old Android devices might still have (USB) 'Mass Storage Mode',
which *does* give a Windows drive (letter).

This is a good point, which you and I both know, where, oh, somewhere
around Android 4.4 or so, things changed such that what we _want_ to do is
no longer easy to do.

The best any of us can come up with, so far, is to use the proprietary
solution I outlined elsewhere in this thread, which allows "some" Windows
DOS commands to work unrestricted (but not all DOS commands).

In summary, only you and I (and Paul) have shown that we comprehend the
technical issue here; the rest are simply proving they're children who
don't have the capacity to understand even the _slightest_ of technical
issues.

On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 18:11:16 +0200, R.Wieser wrote:

I _intend_ on alienating you - Rudy Wieser

As I already said, good luck with that.

You have clearly proven, Rudy Wieser, that...
(a) You (& the other children) don't even _comprehend_ the topic, & yet,
(b) Even so, you insist on proving your God-given *right to troll*

*You vermin, Rudy Wieser, will _always_ ruin the potluck Usenet picnic.*

Arlen,

You have clearly proven, Rudy Wieser, that...

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You claim stuff like there is no tomorrow. Yet as
always you fail to put your money where your (big) mouth is.

In short, your claims are not even worth the paper they are written on (and
as you didn't even *use* paper ... :-) )

*You vermin, Rudy Wieser, will _always_ ruin the potluck Usenet picnic.*

Well, I will, at least for a while, ruin *yours*.

'Cause the only *one* who seems to get lucky in those picnics is you. Not
bringing any food with you, but always end up having eaten your belly full.
And I don't think that is either fair, nor nice towards the victims^wother
people involved.

Than again, you do not really seem to draw a crowd for such picnics ...
Maybe you're not doing enough to attract people ? What about some
sweepstakes ? And maybe a merry-go-round and a clown. And one of those
balloon-animal creators. Those always do good with kids among the picnicing
folk you know.

(Now you've got a *reason* to call me a troll. :-D )

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

Arlen Holder wrote:
On 13 Oct 2018 16:08:00 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Unless you have a rather old phone [1], you don't see your phone as a
*drive*, i.e. a thing which has a drive letter. You probably see your
phone in File Explorer and *only* in File Explorer.

Hi Frank Slootweg (cc, Wolf K),

Thank you Frank, for being only one of two adults on this entire newsgroup
who _understood_ the topic (Paul included, having posted elsewhere).

Don't flatter yourself!

In this case, for totally random (non-)reasons, you haven't drawn
first blood.

But in another thread, you fsck-ed up again and instead of *reading*
and *trying* to *learn* from what people post, your threw yet another
tantrum and uttered yet another slew of misdirected and inappropriate
insults (fool, childish, you have no concept of advanced use, you'll
never graduate above, you won't grow mentally, rigid mindset, Classic
fifth-grade drivel, etc., etc.).

So you - and *only* you - switch at random between - somewhat - adult
behaviour and acting like a total jerk/creep.

Which shows the need to re-issue the challenge, which no doubt you
will dodge *again*:

[Rewind, repeat dodged challenge:]

'Arlen', name *one*, just *one* person in these groups who agrees with
*any* viewpoint which you raise in one of the zillions of threads you
(think you) 'author' (and *prove* that with a verifiable cite).

[Sounds of audience not holding their breath.]

Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-10-13 12:08, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Wolf K wrote:
[...]

I fail to see your problem. When I connect my phone via USB to this
Win8.1 box, I see the phone as an external drive. I can access all the
data. I see no reason to go below that into the OS. Why do you want to
do that?

Unless you have a rather old phone [1], you don't see your phone as a
*drive*, i.e. a thing which has a drive letter. You probably see your
phone in File Explorer and *only* in File Explorer. [...]

You're right, the drive letter is an alias. Should've sussed that, since
it doesn't have Eject as a menu item.

But I still don't see a problem. I can open the files from Explorer, one
at a time only of course, but since I don't see any point in messing
with the files directly _on the phone_, I don't see that as a serious
problem. If I do mess with the photo, and then Save the altered photo,
it's saved on my HDD, which from my POV is where it belongs.

Anyhow, if I really want to alter the picture on the phone, the photo
viewer has that facility built in. I've never used it. My photos are
good enough to share without tweaking. :-) BTW, the photo viewer has a
slew of other capabilities, the only one I use regularly is Share via email.

So while I see there's a functional issue here, I don't see a problem.
Maybe a puzzle, to solve just for the hell of it.

Consider the backup example (note *example*, not the only scenario) I
mentioned (but you snipped).

Say you have a phone with 80GB of storage (16 internal, 64 SD-card).

If you want to backup that phone, you'll need to copy upto 80GB to
your Windows system, even if perhaps only 10% (8GB) has been changed.

You also need upto 80GB of temporary space on your Windows system.

Only *after* that upto 80GB copy, a (real) backup program can - try to
- figure out what has changed and backup only the 8GB to the backup
device (incremental backup).

If OTOH, your phone was presented as a (real) Windows drive (or
Network Share), you could have made a backup of your Android
filesystems, the same way you do for any Windows file system.

There are many, many other examples where *direct* file access is
desired or even needed/mandatory.

FWIW, because all methods to get a (real) Windows drive or Network
Share to access an Android file system suck in major ways, I've given up
on this and have only solved *my* major issue - backup - by doing things
in the opposite direction, i.e. the Android system does the incremental
backup to a Network Share.

On 10/13/2018 9:27 AM, Arlen Holder wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 10:02:39 +0200, R.Wieser wrote:

Lol ! You think you are some kind of royalty ?

On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 10:18:04 +0200, R.Wieser wrote:

How many more does it take to realize that *you* might be the problem, and
not all those others ? (which is what I tried to convey with my ghostrider
"joke")

Rudy Wieser,
I'm going to _try_ to communicate with you as adults do, honestly.
o Adults speak facts.
o Adults comprehend facts.
Adults are funny that way.

You acted like a child, Rudy Wieser, in _every_ post in this thread.
o That's a fact, Rudy.

*If you don't comprehend that fact, it doesn't change that it's a fact.*

What you're doing Rudy, is blaming me, for _you_ acting like a child.
o When you act like a child, Rudy, I simply point it out.
o The fact you _hate_ that I point out that you act like a child doesn't
change the fact that you act like a child, Rudy Wieser.
When you act like an adult (if it's possible), I'll treat you as an adult.

It's children like you, Rudy Wieser, who ruin Usenet for everyone.
You bring _nothing_ of value to the potluck picnic that is Usenet, Rudy.
o All you bring to the potluck picnic is your worthless ****

So far, _every_ post from you was indistinguishable from that of a child.
That's a fact - Rudy - whether you ever comprehend it or not; it's a fact.

Alienating you, Rudy Wieser, will bring huge advantages to this newsgroup
in terms of actually solving difficult technical problems.

I _intend_ on alienating you - Rudy Wieser, because you're utterly
worthless, so it benefits everyone if you would just go **** somewhere
else, Rudy Wieser, and worse, every time you post to Usenet, Rudy Wieser,
you always bring your childish ****, which ruins the potluck picnic that is
Usenet for the adults on Usenet.

If I'm being too clear for you Rudy Wieser, just let me know.

Arlencia likes the smell of Boy Scout ass.
Not even a faggot, but a worthless perv.