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Old October 20th 18, 10:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
malone
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Default One of the mysteries of Windows 10....


..... well, it's a mystery to me. Perhaps someone can explain it?

I shut down my Windows 10 computer at the end of every day. There are
two ways I have for doing this. First, I can go to the start button and
select "power" then "shut down". The other way, which is what I usually
do, is simply to press the power button. (I've configured my system
settings so that when I press the power button the computer shuts down.)

I have assumed that both these methods do the same thing. Shut down the
computer. But there's a subtle difference when I restart the computer.
If I have previously shut down simply by pressing the power button
everything boots up normally. However, if I have previously shut down
via the start button, everything boots up fine - except for the addition
of the rather tiresome splash screen exhorting me to install Microsoft
Office. This never appears when I boot after shutting down by pressing
the power button.

I know that with a bit of effort I could probably find out how to
prevent that screen from appearing, but that's not my point. Especially
as I shut down via the start button only infrequently. The issue for me
is what is the difference between the different methods of shutting down
my computer?


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Old October 20th 18, 10:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Keith Nuttle
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Default One of the mysteries of Windows 10....

On 10/20/2018 5:11 PM, malone wrote:

.... well, it's a mystery to me. Perhaps someone can explain it?

I shut down my Windows 10 computer at the end of every day. There are
two ways I have for doing this. First, I can go to the start button and
select "power" then "shut down". The other way, which is what I usually
do, is simply to press the power button. (I've configured my system
settings so that when I press the power button the computer shuts down.)

I have assumed that both these methods do the same thing. Shut down the
computer. But there's a subtle difference when I restart the computer.
If I have previously shut down simply by pressing the power button
everything boots up normally. However, if I have previously shut down
via the start button, everything boots up fine - except for the addition
of the rather tiresome splash screen exhorting me to install Microsoft
Office. This never appears when I boot after shutting down by pressing
the power button.

I know that with a bit of effort I could probably find out how to
prevent that screen from appearing, but that's not my point. Especially
as I shut down via the start button only infrequently. The issue for me
is what is the difference between the different methods of shutting down
my computer?


Just for the record you can right or left click on the MS Icon (start
button) and are presented a similar menu that lets you shut down the
computer. Right Click Power Icon Left click Shut down or Sign out.

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Old October 20th 18, 10:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default One of the mysteries of Windows 10....

malone wrote:

.... well, it's a mystery to me. Perhaps someone can explain it?

I shut down my Windows 10 computer at the end of every day. There are
two ways I have for doing this. First, I can go to the start button and
select "power" then "shut down". The other way, which is what I usually
do, is simply to press the power button. (I've configured my system
settings so that when I press the power button the computer shuts down.)

I have assumed that both these methods do the same thing. Shut down the
computer. But there's a subtle difference when I restart the computer.
If I have previously shut down simply by pressing the power button
everything boots up normally. However, if I have previously shut down
via the start button, everything boots up fine - except for the addition
of the rather tiresome splash screen exhorting me to install Microsoft
Office. This never appears when I boot after shutting down by pressing
the power button.

I know that with a bit of effort I could probably find out how to
prevent that screen from appearing, but that's not my point. Especially
as I shut down via the start button only infrequently. The issue for me
is what is the difference between the different methods of shutting down
my computer?


You could use SysInternals' Process Explorer to see what process has a
window handle on that prompt for Office. When the prompt appears, load
Process Explorer. Use its spider web toolbar icon to drag onto the
prompt window. Process Explorer will highlight which process owns that
window. Once you know the executable filename, you might be able to
search on it to find out where it is.

No idea if this is a new problem with an old computer or a new problem
with a new computer. If the latter, did you build the computer or did
you buy a pre-built? If a pre-built, those often comes with LOTS of
bundleware, including trial versions of anti-virus and, yep, Office.
Even if a trial version, it should be listed the Add/Remove Programs
applet.
  #4  
Old October 20th 18, 11:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
malone
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Default One of the mysteries of Windows 10....

On 21-Oct-2018 10:47 am, VanguardLH wrote:
malone wrote:

.... well, it's a mystery to me. Perhaps someone can explain it?

I shut down my Windows 10 computer at the end of every day. There are
two ways I have for doing this. First, I can go to the start button and
select "power" then "shut down". The other way, which is what I usually
do, is simply to press the power button. (I've configured my system
settings so that when I press the power button the computer shuts down.)

I have assumed that both these methods do the same thing. Shut down the
computer. But there's a subtle difference when I restart the computer.
If I have previously shut down simply by pressing the power button
everything boots up normally. However, if I have previously shut down
via the start button, everything boots up fine - except for the addition
of the rather tiresome splash screen exhorting me to install Microsoft
Office. This never appears when I boot after shutting down by pressing
the power button.

I know that with a bit of effort I could probably find out how to
prevent that screen from appearing, but that's not my point. Especially
as I shut down via the start button only infrequently. The issue for me
is what is the difference between the different methods of shutting down
my computer?

You could use SysInternals' Process Explorer to see what process has a
window handle on that prompt for Office. When the prompt appears, load
Process Explorer. Use its spider web toolbar icon to drag onto the
prompt window. Process Explorer will highlight which process owns that
window. Once you know the executable filename, you might be able to
search on it to find out where it is.

No idea if this is a new problem with an old computer or a new problem
with a new computer. If the latter, did you build the computer or did
you buy a pre-built? If a pre-built, those often comes with LOTS of
bundleware, including trial versions of anti-virus and, yep, Office.
Even if a trial version, it should be listed the Add/Remove Programs
applet.


It's a standard pre-built Laptop made by Asus.

Yes, I accept that every new computer like this has stacks of
unnecessary crap when you buy it and I've removed most of it. And the
fact that the splash screen appears doesn't surprise me and one day I'll
get around to removing it. But my query is why the Office splash screen
DOESN'T appear after shutting down with the power button, whilst it DOES
appear after shutting down via the Microsoft start button. Clearly there
must be different flavours of "shutting down" and I'm interested to know
what they are.
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Old October 20th 18, 11:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default One of the mysteries of Windows 10....

malone wrote:

On 21-Oct-2018 10:47 am, VanguardLH wrote:
malone wrote:

.... well, it's a mystery to me. Perhaps someone can explain it?

I shut down my Windows 10 computer at the end of every day. There are
two ways I have for doing this. First, I can go to the start button and
select "power" then "shut down". The other way, which is what I usually
do, is simply to press the power button. (I've configured my system
settings so that when I press the power button the computer shuts down.)

I have assumed that both these methods do the same thing. Shut down the
computer. But there's a subtle difference when I restart the computer.
If I have previously shut down simply by pressing the power button
everything boots up normally. However, if I have previously shut down
via the start button, everything boots up fine - except for the addition
of the rather tiresome splash screen exhorting me to install Microsoft
Office. This never appears when I boot after shutting down by pressing
the power button.

I know that with a bit of effort I could probably find out how to
prevent that screen from appearing, but that's not my point. Especially
as I shut down via the start button only infrequently. The issue for me
is what is the difference between the different methods of shutting down
my computer?

You could use SysInternals' Process Explorer to see what process has a
window handle on that prompt for Office. When the prompt appears, load
Process Explorer. Use its spider web toolbar icon to drag onto the
prompt window. Process Explorer will highlight which process owns that
window. Once you know the executable filename, you might be able to
search on it to find out where it is.

No idea if this is a new problem with an old computer or a new problem
with a new computer. If the latter, did you build the computer or did
you buy a pre-built? If a pre-built, those often comes with LOTS of
bundleware, including trial versions of anti-virus and, yep, Office.
Even if a trial version, it should be listed the Add/Remove Programs
applet.


It's a standard pre-built Laptop made by Asus.

Yes, I accept that every new computer like this has stacks of
unnecessary crap when you buy it and I've removed most of it. And the
fact that the splash screen appears doesn't surprise me and one day I'll
get around to removing it. But my query is why the Office splash screen
DOESN'T appear after shutting down with the power button, whilst it DOES
appear after shutting down via the Microsoft start button. Clearly there
must be different flavours of "shutting down" and I'm interested to know
what they are.


Are you using hibernate or hybrid power modes?
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Old October 20th 18, 11:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default One of the mysteries of Windows 10....

malone wrote:

.... well, it's a mystery to me. Perhaps someone can explain it?

I shut down my Windows 10 computer at the end of every day. There are
two ways I have for doing this. First, I can go to the start button and
select "power" then "shut down". The other way, which is what I usually
do, is simply to press the power button. (I've configured my system
settings so that when I press the power button the computer shuts down.)

I have assumed that both these methods do the same thing. Shut down the
computer. But there's a subtle difference when I restart the computer.
If I have previously shut down simply by pressing the power button
everything boots up normally. However, if I have previously shut down
via the start button, everything boots up fine - except for the addition
of the rather tiresome splash screen exhorting me to install Microsoft
Office. This never appears when I boot after shutting down by pressing
the power button.

I know that with a bit of effort I could probably find out how to
prevent that screen from appearing, but that's not my point. Especially
as I shut down via the start button only infrequently. The issue for me
is what is the difference between the different methods of shutting down
my computer?


It's possible one method uses Fast Boot (kernel hibernation,
not session hibernation), while the other method boots from
scratch. I don't know if the "details" of shutdown are
recorded anywhere or not. There can be event viewer
entries, but there may not be the right kind of
entries to figure this out.

The "powercfg" command has some number of capabilities,
and if Event Viewer didn't have the goods, that's the
command I'd start researching next.

To avoid excessive advertising, go through your Settings
panels, and disable all the sneaky stuff. There are a ton
of sliders in there.

Paul


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Old October 21st 18, 12:23 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
malone
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Default One of the mysteries of Windows 10....

On 21-Oct-2018 11:28 am, VanguardLH wrote:
malone wrote:

On 21-Oct-2018 10:47 am, VanguardLH wrote:
malone wrote:

.... well, it's a mystery to me. Perhaps someone can explain it?

I shut down my Windows 10 computer at the end of every day. There are
two ways I have for doing this. First, I can go to the start button and
select "power" then "shut down". The other way, which is what I usually
do, is simply to press the power button. (I've configured my system
settings so that when I press the power button the computer shuts down.)

I have assumed that both these methods do the same thing. Shut down the
computer. But there's a subtle difference when I restart the computer.
If I have previously shut down simply by pressing the power button
everything boots up normally. However, if I have previously shut down
via the start button, everything boots up fine - except for the addition
of the rather tiresome splash screen exhorting me to install Microsoft
Office. This never appears when I boot after shutting down by pressing
the power button.

I know that with a bit of effort I could probably find out how to
prevent that screen from appearing, but that's not my point. Especially
as I shut down via the start button only infrequently. The issue for me
is what is the difference between the different methods of shutting down
my computer?
You could use SysInternals' Process Explorer to see what process has a
window handle on that prompt for Office. When the prompt appears, load
Process Explorer. Use its spider web toolbar icon to drag onto the
prompt window. Process Explorer will highlight which process owns that
window. Once you know the executable filename, you might be able to
search on it to find out where it is.

No idea if this is a new problem with an old computer or a new problem
with a new computer. If the latter, did you build the computer or did
you buy a pre-built? If a pre-built, those often comes with LOTS of
bundleware, including trial versions of anti-virus and, yep, Office.
Even if a trial version, it should be listed the Add/Remove Programs
applet.

It's a standard pre-built Laptop made by Asus.

Yes, I accept that every new computer like this has stacks of
unnecessary crap when you buy it and I've removed most of it. And the
fact that the splash screen appears doesn't surprise me and one day I'll
get around to removing it. But my query is why the Office splash screen
DOESN'T appear after shutting down with the power button, whilst it DOES
appear after shutting down via the Microsoft start button. Clearly there
must be different flavours of "shutting down" and I'm interested to know
what they are.

Are you using hibernate or hybrid power modes?


Not that I'm aware of.
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Old October 21st 18, 12:29 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
malone
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Default One of the mysteries of Windows 10....

On 21-Oct-2018 12:18 pm, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-10-20 18:10, malone wrote:
On 21-Oct-2018 10:47 am, VanguardLH wrote:
malone wrote:

.... well, it's a mystery to me. Perhaps someone can explain it?

I shut down my Windows 10 computer at the end of every day. There are
two ways I have for doing this. First, I can go to the start button
and
select "power" then "shut down". The other way, which is what I
usually
do, is simply to press the power button. (I've configured my system
settings so that when I press the power button the computer shuts
down.)

I have assumed that both these methods do the same thing. Shut down
the
computer. But there's a subtle difference when I restart the computer.
If I have previously shut down simply by pressing the power button
everything boots up normally. However, if I have previously shut down
via the start button, everything boots up fine - except for the
addition
of the rather tiresome splash screen exhorting me to install Microsoft
Office. This never appears when I boot after shutting down by pressing
the power button.

I know that with a bit of effort I could probably find out how to
prevent that screen from appearing, but that's not my point.
Especially
as I shut down via the start button only infrequently. The issue
for me
is what is the difference between the different methods of shutting
down
my computer?
You could use SysInternals' Process Explorer to see what process has a
window handle on that prompt for Office.Â* When the prompt appears, load
Process Explorer.Â* Use its spider web toolbar icon to drag onto the
prompt window.Â* Process Explorer will highlight which process owns that
window.Â* Once you know the executable filename, you might be able to
search on it to find out where it is.

No idea if this is a new problem with an old computer or a new problem
with a new computer.Â* If the latter, did you build the computer or did
you buy a pre-built?Â* If a pre-built, those often comes with LOTS of
bundleware, including trial versions of anti-virus and, yep, Office.
Even if a trial version, it should be listed the Add/Remove Programs
applet.


It's a standard pre-built Laptop made by Asus.

Yes, I accept that every new computer like this has stacks of
unnecessary crap when you buy it and I've removed most of it. And the
fact that the splash screen appears doesn't surprise me and one day
I'll get around to removing it. But my query is why the Office splash
screen DOESN'T appear after shutting down with the power button,
whilst it DOES appear after shutting down via the Microsoft start
button. Clearly there must be different flavours of "shutting down"
and I'm interested to know what they are.


This is my understanding:
In both shutdowns, Windows does some housekeeping. A software shutdown
saves a more detailed state than a hardware shutdown, which AFAIK just
closes HD files open for writing. Thus a hardware shutdown gives you a
cold boot next time, while a software shutdown gives you a warm boot
(like waking up from Hibernate).

I would have thought that a hardware shutdown and cold boot would be
MORE likely to attract the MS advert? But that's the method for me that
DOESN'T show the splash screen?

I do know that sudden power loss in past version of Windows caused
peculiar glitches during boot, so that two and even three boots were
needed for Windows to get its act together.

HTH


  #9  
Old October 21st 18, 12:31 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
malone
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On 21-Oct-2018 11:44 am, Paul wrote:
malone wrote:

.... well, it's a mystery to me. Perhaps someone can explain it?

I shut down my Windows 10 computer at the end of every day. There are
two ways I have for doing this. First, I can go to the start button
and select "power" then "shut down". The other way, which is what I
usually do, is simply to press the power button. (I've configured my
system settings so that when I press the power button the computer
shuts down.)

I have assumed that both these methods do the same thing. Shut down
the computer. But there's a subtle difference when I restart the
computer. If I have previously shut down simply by pressing the power
button everything boots up normally. However, if I have previously
shut down via the start button, everything boots up fine - except for
the addition of the rather tiresome splash screen exhorting me to
install Microsoft Office. This never appears when I boot after
shutting down by pressing the power button.

I know that with a bit of effort I could probably find out how to
prevent that screen from appearing, but that's not my point.
Especially as I shut down via the start button only infrequently. The
issue for me is what is the difference between the different methods
of shutting down my computer?


It's possible one method uses Fast Boot (kernel hibernation,
not session hibernation), while the other method boots from
scratch. I don't know if the "details" of shutdown are
recorded anywhere or not. There can be event viewer
entries, but there may not be the right kind of
entries to figure this out.

The "powercfg" command has some number of capabilities,
and if Event Viewer didn't have the goods, that's the
command I'd start researching next.

Thanks for that - I'll have a go...

To avoid excessive advertising, go through your Settings
panels, and disable all the sneaky stuff. There are a ton
of sliders in there.

Â*Â* Paul



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Old October 21st 18, 05:21 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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malone wrote:

On 21-Oct-2018 11:28 am, VanguardLH wrote:
malone wrote:

On 21-Oct-2018 10:47 am, VanguardLH wrote:
malone wrote:

.... well, it's a mystery to me. Perhaps someone can explain it?

I shut down my Windows 10 computer at the end of every day. There are
two ways I have for doing this. First, I can go to the start button and
select "power" then "shut down". The other way, which is what I usually
do, is simply to press the power button. (I've configured my system
settings so that when I press the power button the computer shuts down.)

I have assumed that both these methods do the same thing. Shut down the
computer. But there's a subtle difference when I restart the computer.
If I have previously shut down simply by pressing the power button
everything boots up normally. However, if I have previously shut down
via the start button, everything boots up fine - except for the addition
of the rather tiresome splash screen exhorting me to install Microsoft
Office. This never appears when I boot after shutting down by pressing
the power button.

I know that with a bit of effort I could probably find out how to
prevent that screen from appearing, but that's not my point. Especially
as I shut down via the start button only infrequently. The issue for me
is what is the difference between the different methods of shutting down
my computer?
You could use SysInternals' Process Explorer to see what process has a
window handle on that prompt for Office. When the prompt appears, load
Process Explorer. Use its spider web toolbar icon to drag onto the
prompt window. Process Explorer will highlight which process owns that
window. Once you know the executable filename, you might be able to
search on it to find out where it is.

No idea if this is a new problem with an old computer or a new problem
with a new computer. If the latter, did you build the computer or did
you buy a pre-built? If a pre-built, those often comes with LOTS of
bundleware, including trial versions of anti-virus and, yep, Office.
Even if a trial version, it should be listed the Add/Remove Programs
applet.
It's a standard pre-built Laptop made by Asus.

Yes, I accept that every new computer like this has stacks of
unnecessary crap when you buy it and I've removed most of it. And the
fact that the splash screen appears doesn't surprise me and one day I'll
get around to removing it. But my query is why the Office splash screen
DOESN'T appear after shutting down with the power button, whilst it DOES
appear after shutting down via the Microsoft start button. Clearly there
must be different flavours of "shutting down" and I'm interested to know
what they are.

Are you using hibernate or hybrid power modes?


Not that I'm aware of.


So look!
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Old October 21st 18, 01:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default One of the mysteries of Windows 10....

On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 16:47:04 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Use its spider web toolbar icon to drag onto the
prompt window


That looks a lot more like a sighting reticle in a scope to me.
Nevertheless, thanks for the info on that tool.

-dan z-



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  #12  
Old October 22nd 18, 04:27 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
John[_92_]
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Default One of the mysteries of Windows 10....

On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 12:29:29 +1300, malone
wrote:

snipped


I would have thought that a hardware shutdown and cold boot would be
MORE likely to attract the MS advert? But that's the method for me that
DOESN'T show the splash screen?

Are you *new*?
Have you ever actually *used* a Microsoft product before? Have you
used one both before and after it is "upgraded", "updated" or
"improved"?

If those questions are answered as "no", "yes" and "yes" I would not
have thought that you would expect *logic* or consistency from
*anything* Microsoft.

If it was me, I'd just put it down to Microsoft being formed from
teams; one team having the job of writing the software for a slower,
software shutdown so including Registry or boot-file settings that
flag the nag screen to come up and another team being tasked with the
hard, less slow power-button super-kill shutdown who cut out a few
flags and writes and updates. Or, maybe, the two shutdown sequences
having been written at different times, like Office '95 and Office
2012, so differences have crept in.

Or perhaps just MS being ornery, as usual.

Consistency is something computers don't seem capable of. Not when
programmed by humans. Certainly not when running MS products.

Anyone expecting consistency is going to end up in a soft-walled room
eating their fingernails up to the elbows talking to friends from Zeta
Reticulus.

Have you thought of clicking on "I agree to install MSO" then killing
the download? That might kill the flag for the nag screen and allow
the two boot sequences to resume looking somewhat similar.

J.
  #13  
Old October 24th 18, 07:38 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Big Bad Bob
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Default One of the mysteries of Windows 10....

On 10/21/18 05:44, slate_leeper wrote:
On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 16:47:04 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Use its spider web toolbar icon to drag onto the
prompt window


That looks a lot more like a sighting reticle in a scope to me.


good idea. put a bullet into windows 10. install Linux instead.


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Old October 24th 18, 07:51 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Lucifer
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Default One of the mysteries of Windows 10....

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 23:38:48 -0700, Big Bad Bob
wrote:

On 21/10/18 05:44, slate_leeper wrote:
On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 16:47:04 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Use its spider web toolbar icon to drag onto the
prompt window


That looks a lot more like a sighting reticle in a scope to me.


good idea. put a bullet into windows 10. install Linux instead.


I can't get Linux to install on my mechanical wris****ch.
  #15  
Old October 24th 18, 05:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 10/24/18 1:51 AM, Lucifer wrote:

good idea. put a bullet into windows 10. install Linux instead.


I can't get Linux to install on my mechanical wris****ch.


You might have to disable secure boot and reformat the drive to use MBR :-}

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Alabama
 




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