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SP2 drove me to open source
Thanks to Microsoft's WindowsXP SP2, I have finally made the move to open
source applications. I've wanted to make the move for some time but some laziness on my part has delayed me. Thanks, Billy, for pushing out the SP2 and specifically the security center because that horrid piece of programming (I call SP2 the new WinME) finally made me so angry and frustrated with you and your company that I built up a Linux box at home and will soon be migrating all of my personal equipment over to the Penguin. If I am browsing and come across some content that will only work in your non-W3c standards compliant browser, I refuse to view it. DId you notice that FireFox 1.0 was downloaded over a million times the first DAY it was available? Hallelujiah! I am the systems administrator at a television station and so am used to dealing with new technology. I have never had as many problems with a single piece of software (and let me tell you, video-editing, TV production, and graphics software can be extremely touchy and hard to work with) as I have with SP2. It has bolluxed up so many systems at my station, rendering some applications totally unusable, that I have removed it from every machine I have. I've talked to the administration and we are looking into moving away from all MS products and following the growing trend of dismantling our Windows infrastructure. I truly hope that the recent trend in computing to move away from the monopolistic domination of MS is but the first scratchings of the proverbial writing on the wall that will soon say that MS is on its way out. Maybe it won't come soon, certainly not soon enough for any thinking and rational IT person, but I think it is coming and on that day I will rejoice. Thanks, again, Billy. SP2 did it's job well enough for me. |
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:55:03 -0800, velozoom30 wrote:
Thanks to Microsoft's WindowsXP SP2, I have finally made the move to open source applications. I've wanted to make the move for some time but some laziness on my part has delayed me. Thanks, Billy, for pushing out the SP2 and specifically the security center because that horrid piece of programming (I call SP2 the new WinME) finally made me so angry and frustrated with you and your company that I built up a Linux box at home and will soon be migrating all of my personal equipment over to the Penguin. If I am browsing and come across some content that will only work in your non-W3c standards compliant browser, I refuse to view it. DId you notice that FireFox 1.0 was downloaded over a million times the first DAY it was available? Hallelujiah! I truly hope that the recent trend in computing to move away from the monopolistic domination of MS is but the first scratchings of the proverbial writing on the wall that will soon say that MS is on its way out. Maybe it won't come soon, certainly not soon enough for any thinking and rational IT person, but I think it is coming and on that day I will rejoice. Thanks, again, Billy. SP2 did it's job well enough for me. AMEN! Brother. I made the switch a couple of months ago. I will NEVER look back. Testy |
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"Testy" wrote in message news On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:55:03 -0800, velozoom30 wrote: Thanks to Microsoft's WindowsXP SP2, I have finally made the move to open source applications. I've wanted to make the move for some time but some laziness on my part has delayed me. Thanks, Billy, for pushing out the SP2 and specifically the security center because that horrid piece of programming (I call SP2 the new WinME) finally made me so angry and frustrated with you and your company that I built up a Linux box at home and will soon be migrating all of my personal equipment over to the Penguin. If I am browsing and come across some content that will only work in your non-W3c standards compliant browser, I refuse to view it. DId you notice that FireFox 1.0 was downloaded over a million times the first DAY it was available? Hallelujiah! I truly hope that the recent trend in computing to move away from the monopolistic domination of MS is but the first scratchings of the proverbial writing on the wall that will soon say that MS is on its way out. Maybe it won't come soon, certainly not soon enough for any thinking and rational IT person, but I think it is coming and on that day I will rejoice. Thanks, again, Billy. SP2 did it's job well enough for me. AMEN! Brother. I made the switch a couple of months ago. I will NEVER look back. Testy Then why are either of you in this Microsoft newsgroup? |
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You have to wonder..
-- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/user http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Usingthis" wrote in message ... "Testy" wrote in message news On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:55:03 -0800, velozoom30 wrote: Thanks to Microsoft's WindowsXP SP2, I have finally made the move to open source applications. I've wanted to make the move for some time but some laziness on my part has delayed me. Thanks, Billy, for pushing out the SP2 and specifically the security center because that horrid piece of programming (I call SP2 the new WinME) finally made me so angry and frustrated with you and your company that I built up a Linux box at home and will soon be migrating all of my personal equipment over to the Penguin. If I am browsing and come across some content that will only work in your non-W3c standards compliant browser, I refuse to view it. DId you notice that FireFox 1.0 was downloaded over a million times the first DAY it was available? Hallelujiah! I truly hope that the recent trend in computing to move away from the monopolistic domination of MS is but the first scratchings of the proverbial writing on the wall that will soon say that MS is on its way out. Maybe it won't come soon, certainly not soon enough for any thinking and rational IT person, but I think it is coming and on that day I will rejoice. Thanks, again, Billy. SP2 did it's job well enough for me. AMEN! Brother. I made the switch a couple of months ago. I will NEVER look back. Testy Then why are either of you in this Microsoft newsgroup? |
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Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote:
You have to wonder.. He may have to support XP on his home network or for clients. I know that is a familiar scenario. -- spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor: http://www.abmdr.org.au/ http://www.marrow.org/ |
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:49:26 +0800, spodosaurus wrote:
Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote: You have to wonder.. He may have to support XP on his home network or for clients. I know that is a familiar scenario. EXACTLY! Work involves Windows, my PERSONAL choice is LINUX. Testy |
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:45:57 -0500, Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote:
You have to wonder.. That's the problem with MS NO IMAGINATION and can't see beyong their nose. Testy |
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"spodosaurus" wrote: He may have to support XP on his home network or for clients. I know that is a familiar scenario. Of course I do. This is obvious in the following quote from my original post- "It has bolluxed up so many systems at my station, rendering some applications totally unusable, that I have removed it from every machine I have. I've talked to the administration and we are looking into moving away from all MS products and following the growing trend of dismantling our Windows infrastructure. " My workplace is all Windows save for some of our graphics systems (Macs) and the boxes that have to do the most processing for weather forecasting and modeling (Red Hat). This was all before my time but I am hoping to bring in a lot more Penguin boxes in the near future. ANd what better place for an anti-MS rant than on an MS sponsored board? If I go to a Linux board I would be preaching to the choir, would I not? What sense is there in ranting to peeps that already agree with you? lol.....silly MS peeps. |
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spod
His words.. "and specifically the security center because that horrid piece of programming (I call SP2 the new WinME) finally made me so angry and frustrated with you and your company that I built up a Linux box at home and will soon be migrating all of my personal equipment over to the Penguin." He only had to ask.. "If I am browsing and come across some content that will only work in your non-W3c standards compliant browser, I refuse to view it." His loss.. "I am the systems administrator at a television station and so am used to dealing with new technology. I have never had as many problems with a single piece of software (and let me tell you, video-editing, TV production, and graphics software can be extremely touchy and hard to work with) as I have with SP2. It has bolluxed up so many systems at my station, rendering some applications totally unusable, that I have removed it from every machine I have. I've talked to the administration and we are looking into moving away from all MS products and following the growing trend of dismantling our Windows infrastructure." Lets hope that the learning curve that he is about to negotiate won't put his TV Station off the air.. the bosses may not appreciate that.. I am not suggesting that an X86 ported UNIX OS doesn't have a place in computing.. "I truly hope that the recent trend in computing to move away from the monopolistic domination of MS is but the first scratchings of the proverbial writing on the wall that will soon say that MS is on its way out. Maybe it won't come soon, certainly not soon enough for any thinking and rational IT person, but I think it is coming and on that day I will rejoice." Not nice.. this is almost wishing that we all have problems with Windows, and that Windows is a bad thing.. he has much to learn, and it's going to hit him in one big heap if and when his company changes to Linux.. "Thanks, again, Billy. SP2 did it's job well enough for me." This is not a hot line directly to Bill Gates.. This guy is a system administrator (allegedly).. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/user http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "spodosaurus" wrote in message ... Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote: You have to wonder.. He may have to support XP on his home network or for clients. I know that is a familiar scenario. -- spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor: http://www.abmdr.org.au/ http://www.marrow.org/ |
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I have worked at 5 different companies in my years of IT ranging from just a
dozen workstations to almost 1000. I have gone through 6 NT4.0 service packs, 4 2000 service packs, and 2 XP service packs. And never once have I run into the problems you described in this thread. I will admit that there have been very infrequent times where an application is not compatible with a newer service pack But if you do your research and testing correctly, then just don't apply the service pack until the application vendor gets caught up. If the vendor is too slow, or refuses to upgrade their product, then you find a different vendor that will. I don't think your problem is with MS products and if you proceed to Linux you will probably run into the same situations. The philosophy behind running any network (MS or Novell or Linux ... etc.) is that the infrastructure drives the applications, not the other way around. In laymen's terms: When the tires are bald on the car, you buy new tires .... not a new car. The sooner a Systems Administrator learns this, the sooner he/she will have a stable network Good luck with Linux ... you will need it. Charles "Testy" wrote in message news On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:45:57 -0500, Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote: You have to wonder.. That's the problem with MS NO IMAGINATION and can't see beyong their nose. Testy |
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Testy
I worked for a company that used UNIX, Linux and Windows.. each OS had its place.. no argument there.. BUT WHY do LINUX converts feel the need to rant here.. if you want t change to Linux, do it, but do it quietly.. we don't care what you use as long as you are happy.. -- Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/user http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Testy" wrote in message news On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:45:57 -0500, Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote: You have to wonder.. That's the problem with MS NO IMAGINATION and can't see beyong their nose. Testy |
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"velozoom30" wrote: Thanks to Microsoft's WindowsXP SP2, I have finally made the move to open source applications. I've wanted to make the move for some time but some laziness on my part has delayed me. Thanks, Billy, for pushing out the SP2 and specifically the security center because that horrid piece of programming (I call SP2 the new WinME) finally made me so angry and frustrated with you and your company that I built up a Linux box at home and will soon be migrating all of my personal equipment over to the Penguin. If I am browsing and come across some content that will only work in your non-W3c standards compliant browser, I refuse to view it. DId you notice that FireFox 1.0 was downloaded over a million times the first DAY it was available? Hallelujiah! I am the systems administrator at a television station and so am used to dealing with new technology. I have never had as many problems with a single piece of software (and let me tell you, video-editing, TV production, and graphics software can be extremely touchy and hard to work with) as I have with SP2. It has bolluxed up so many systems at my station, rendering some applications totally unusable, that I have removed it from every machine I have. I've talked to the administration and we are looking into moving away from all MS products and following the growing trend of dismantling our Windows infrastructure. I truly hope that the recent trend in computing to move away from the monopolistic domination of MS is but the first scratchings of the proverbial writing on the wall that will soon say that MS is on its way out. Maybe it won't come soon, certainly not soon enough for any thinking and rational IT person, but I think it is coming and on that day I will rejoice. Thanks, again, Billy. SP2 did it's job well enough for me. Have a nice trip, see ya later buh bye. If the penguin works for you and you are happy with it, more power to ya. As someone else pointed out, if proper testing is done it works out better than going whole hog the day the SP comes out. Oh well, to each their own. |
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I can't imagine why so many people have a problem with SP2. I purchased the
full OEM version with SP2 a month ago and have no problems with my brand new machine. Besides the top of the line Dell XPS for $3,000, it's the fastest machine I've ever seen for one third of the cost of a Dell. "Charles Blair" wrote: I have worked at 5 different companies in my years of IT ranging from just a dozen workstations to almost 1000. I have gone through 6 NT4.0 service packs, 4 2000 service packs, and 2 XP service packs. And never once have I run into the problems you described in this thread. I will admit that there have been very infrequent times where an application is not compatible with a newer service pack But if you do your research and testing correctly, then just don't apply the service pack until the application vendor gets caught up. If the vendor is too slow, or refuses to upgrade their product, then you find a different vendor that will. I don't think your problem is with MS products and if you proceed to Linux you will probably run into the same situations. The philosophy behind running any network (MS or Novell or Linux ... etc.) is that the infrastructure drives the applications, not the other way around. In laymen's terms: When the tires are bald on the car, you buy new tires .... not a new car. The sooner a Systems Administrator learns this, the sooner he/she will have a stable network Good luck with Linux ... you will need it. Charles "Testy" wrote in message news On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:45:57 -0500, Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote: You have to wonder.. That's the problem with MS NO IMAGINATION and can't see beyong their nose. Testy |
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"Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote:
"If I am browsing and come across some content that will only work in your non-W3c standards compliant browser, I refuse to view it." His loss.. Not really. If I choose not to view it then I don't see it as a loss. This is of course in my personal use, not at my workplace. Lets hope that the learning curve that he is about to negotiate won't put his TV Station off the air.. the bosses may not appreciate that.. I am not suggesting that an X86 ported UNIX OS doesn't have a place in computing.. While I am sure you aren't truly worried if we went off the air the learning curve, steep as it surely will be for myself and others, will be negotiated properly. This is a project only in the seminal stages. It's been tossed around by my predecessors in the past but the administration never got behind it. After the recent SP2 debacle, they are talking to me about it. I don't expect to have anything more than a test environment running within 9mo to a year and actual migrations may take a lot longer. Ever try to train Windows peeps to use something different? That is what scares me the most. This is the problem and it was a problem with me- we get so used to something that change becomes painful. Change, however, is inevitable and I think it's time for a change, even a paradigm shift if you will. Not nice.. this is almost wishing that we all have problems with Windows, and that Windows is a bad thing.. he has much to learn, and it's going to hit him in one big heap if and when his company changes to Linux.. Love your pedantic tone, it makes me giggle. I don't think you can assume anything about how much I do or don't know about Linux and operating system migration cost-analysis from the few, limited comments I have made here. Even if you could, my post was not so much about the technical problems I had it was about the tecnical problems finally winning me over to the open source side. Do I expect that even if my station went completely to Linux in one fell swoop that I would be able to sit back in my chair and relax all day? Of course not. But I do read the literature and I see some big companies making moves to open source, I see MS responding with advertising campaigns because they are scared and are starting to feel a small hit in the pocketboook, and I see that MS is not responsive to my needs. I also see the attitude of MS as it is presented through its products. There is no clearer example of that attitude than Internet Explorer. Billy and his gang have thumbed their noses at the rest of the WWW by refusing to bring IE into compliance with the W3C standards. When I build a website I build it to W3C standards then I have to backtrack and make it usuable for IE. It's the arrogance I hate. It's understandable given the market share that MS/IE have, but it is no less offensive just because mose people use MS products. Human history has shown that people, in general, aren't all that bright so the fact that most people do something is in no way an indication that that is in any way the right, best, or appropriate thing to do. It's the same with SP2, especially with the Security Center if you want to talk about end-user complications. Who the hell thought it was a good idea to have Windows firewall turned on by default? For a home user who has no common sense, perhaps it's ok to assume that this is a good idea but WinXP has huge saturation in the business world and there it is NOT a good idea. That bloody firewall has to be turned off with Admin priveleges and FUBARed so many of my applications I probably couldn't list them all off the top of my head. Did MS not take that this thing might affect business applications into account? Yes, it's a small example and easily fixed, if not quickly when you are talking 300 workstations and group policy through AD won't even shut the bloody thing down, but it's a great example of MS not knowing who their end user is. Isn't it better to let people choose? Isn't it better to give them the power to turn it on or not? Give them the information but leave the final choice to the user. In the end, it's about choice. I see MS limiting my choices and so I will move myself, and my company if I can, to a different way of doing things. We will, and have, consulted with experts, gotten second opinions and are searching for more, and hoepfully the suits will find it an advantageous way to go. This is not a hot line directly to Bill Gates.. NO WAY!!! REALLY?!?!?!? And here I thought my sarcasm was so blatant that a child would read it in my post...... The only direct line to Billie Bob Gates anymore is the bottom line of the quarterly financial statement. Maybe, possibly, perhaps at one time Billie was about the software and the bringing about the revolution he most certainly had a big hand in but for many years it's become about MS and making MS bigger better and badder than anyone and at the expense of anyone and anything that gets in the way of that goal. There is a reason why US and European courts are finding MS guilty of monopolistic practices. Anyone who stifles opposing viewpoints is evil. I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend with my life your right to say it. Famous words that have been all but forgotten by some people. Mike Hall MVP - Windows Shell/user MVP- and you aren't biased? Your whole career is probably based on Bill Gates' stuff so of course you defend him. This is so much fun, lol |
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If SP-2 "bolluxed up so many systems at my station" what did they have in
common? Since you have many computers, did you test SP-2 on a small sampling before installing? Was all the software and hardware compatible with SP-2 as verified by the manufacturer? -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol http://www.dts-l.org "velozoom30" wrote in message ... Thanks to Microsoft's WindowsXP SP2, I have finally made the move to open source applications. I've wanted to make the move for some time but some laziness on my part has delayed me. Thanks, Billy, for pushing out the SP2 and specifically the security center because that horrid piece of programming (I call SP2 the new WinME) finally made me so angry and frustrated with you and your company that I built up a Linux box at home and will soon be migrating all of my personal equipment over to the Penguin. If I am browsing and come across some content that will only work in your non-W3c standards compliant browser, I refuse to view it. DId you notice that FireFox 1.0 was downloaded over a million times the first DAY it was available? Hallelujiah! I am the systems administrator at a television station and so am used to dealing with new technology. I have never had as many problems with a single piece of software (and let me tell you, video-editing, TV production, and graphics software can be extremely touchy and hard to work with) as I have with SP2. It has bolluxed up so many systems at my station, rendering some applications totally unusable, that I have removed it from every machine I have. I've talked to the administration and we are looking into moving away from all MS products and following the growing trend of dismantling our Windows infrastructure. I truly hope that the recent trend in computing to move away from the monopolistic domination of MS is but the first scratchings of the proverbial writing on the wall that will soon say that MS is on its way out. Maybe it won't come soon, certainly not soon enough for any thinking and rational IT person, but I think it is coming and on that day I will rejoice. Thanks, again, Billy. SP2 did it's job well enough for me. |
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