SP2 what a bunch of @#$!!!

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with
windows security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as
generic as possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the
dumb, !@#$!@ windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible
from outside the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random
port -- it has no significance by the way) to be accessed from outside
the network. I then switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently"
firewalled my computer WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of
this, INTERNET EXPLORER started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a
site, I have to refresh bloody ten times to get it to display the page.
Most of the times I get the "Page cannot be displayed - check your
connection" error and God knows what else. I'm tired of this.. I've
uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my computer becomes USABLE again.
DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing about computers and all you
do on your desktop is check emails and use MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!

STEVE!

"Steve" wrote in message
...
I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before I
installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had McAfee
Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with windows
security, in spite of windows trying their best to make it as generic as
possible. Well, after UNINSTALLING mcafee and telling the dumb, !@#$!@
windows Firewall to shutup and let port 10277 be accessible from outside
the network, it still did NOT allow 10277 (just a random port -- it has no
significance by the way) to be accessed from outside the network. I then
switched the firewall OFF and it STILL "silently" firewalled my computer
WITHOUT my concent!!!!!THEN! on top of ALL of this, INTERNET EXPLORER
started misbehaving. Every time I try browsing a site, I have to refresh
bloody ten times to get it to display the page. Most of the times I get the
"Page cannot be displayed - check your connection" error and God knows what
else. I'm tired of this.. I've uninstalled it and I am PRAYING that my
computer becomes USABLE again. DO NOT INSTALL SP2 unless you know nothing
about computers and all you do on your desktop is check emails and use
MICROSOFT'S MSN!!!

STEVE!


I know more than you about computers, and you need to calm down. You sound
like a raving idiot.

Common sense would seem to be in order.....

ask the question :"What does the McAfee Security Service
do?"

some would say it protects the OS files\settings from
being changed or modified.

then ask the question: "What is a service pack?"

some would say it changes and modifies OS files\settings.

So my question is "why would anybody have both programs
running at the same time?

so if people actually followed the instructions as per:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/s...hattoknow.mspx

pay paticular note to "Before You Download SP2" section
8. Close all open programs.

(although it is not directly stated here, this includes
Antivirus\system mechanic programs\popup
stoppers\Firewalls\and other programs running in the
background)


just one opinion.

wrote:

so if people actually followed the instructions as per:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/s...hattoknow.mspx

pay paticular note to "Before You Download SP2" section
8. Close all open programs.

Which should say "disable all startup apps from running on startup in
advance of installing XP2" or similiar.

ie simply closing them means they will run on the reboot which is NOT
recommended.

In other words, disable, reboot, then upgrade.

My guess half the XP2 problems read here are due to third party 24/7
background apps.

"Plato" |@|.| wrote in message
wrote:

so if people actually followed the instructions as per:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/s...hattoknow.mspx

pay paticular note to "Before You Download SP2" section
8. Close all open programs.

Which should say "disable all startup apps from running on startup in
advance of installing XP2" or similiar.

ie simply closing them means they will run on the reboot which is NOT
recommended.


In fact closing open programs for just the time of installation is fully
sufficient.
SP2 reboots just once - when it has finished installation. No need to
disable startup..

;-)

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:11:48 +1000, "Steven K" wrote:

"Plato" |@|.| wrote in message
wrote:

so if people actually followed the instructions as per:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/s...hattoknow.mspx

pay paticular note to "Before You Download SP2" section
8. Close all open programs.

Which should say "disable all startup apps from running on startup in
advance of installing XP2" or similiar.

ie simply closing them means they will run on the reboot which is NOT
recommended.


In fact closing open programs for just the time of installation is fully
sufficient.
SP2 reboots just once - when it has finished installation. No need to
disable startup..

;-)


Not all software that folks add to their systems is properly written. Some
stuff doesn't close properly, or may leave remnants of itself behind after
closing.

Also it's awful hard to find everything to close when you're preparing for the
upgrade. And too tempting to leave stuff running, for convenience.

I agree with Plato, IMHO it's cleaner and easier to disable everything, reboot,
then apply the upgrade. Then let it reboot, and test the upgrade. Finally, re
enable a few applications at a time, and test again.

Anal retentive? Yes. Effective? Hell yes. Waste of time? Possibly.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

Steve wrote:

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with

Well, it seems like you just dont know how to upgrade an OS.

"Plato" |@|.| wrote
Steve wrote:

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with

Well, it seems like you just dont know how to upgrade an OS.

How many non techies do? Not many. How many non techies are there who use XP
compared to techies? A million to one? MS should have provided step by step
instructions on ONE web site. They should have had a link to it on WU with
the recommendation that one print it. But what do they do? The recommend AU
and, surprise, surprise, non techies have problems.

On the bright side, it will give the techies lots of work.

Alias

MS could have done all that, and it would have been completely ignored.
Most of the people who are having issues are the kind of folks that don't
read the installation instructions, website precaution statements, etc.
They do not know how to, or are too lazy to keep their system running
properly. If they put as much energy into troubleshooting as they do in
blaming and flaming MS, they would have fixed their problems.

Bobby

"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Plato" |@|.| wrote
Steve wrote:

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system
before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with

Well, it seems like you just dont know how to upgrade an OS.

How many non techies do? Not many. How many non techies are there who use
XP
compared to techies? A million to one? MS should have provided step by
step
instructions on ONE web site. They should have had a link to it on WU with
the recommendation that one print it. But what do they do? The recommend
AU
and, surprise, surprise, non techies have problems.

On the bright side, it will give the techies lots of work.

Alias

"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message
...
MS could have done all that, and it would have been completely ignored.

I wouldn't have ignored it and I think I am not alone. So far, to get the
true picture, you need to go to over 20 MS web sites and read countless
messages on these two newsgroups.

Most of the people who are having issues are the kind of folks that don't
read the installation instructions, website precaution statements, etc.

Of course, most people are not techies like I said. Most people want to --
of all things -- *use* their computer, not maintain, configure and
troubleshoot it. What "installation instructions"? Most people get one
instruction: enable AU.

They do not know how to,

Like I said, most people who own computers are not techies and, you're
right, they don't know how. MS should have provided ONE web site with
instructions.

or are too lazy to keep their system running
properly. If they put as much energy into troubleshooting as they do in
blaming and flaming MS, they would have fixed their problems.

Bobby

Do you think that one has a computer so one can have the pleasure of
troubleshooting or do you think one has a computer to *use* it?

Alias

"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Plato" |@|.| wrote
Steve wrote:

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system
before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with

Well, it seems like you just dont know how to upgrade an OS.

How many non techies do? Not many. How many non techies are there who
use
XP
compared to techies? A million to one? MS should have provided step by
step
instructions on ONE web site. They should have had a link to it on WU
with
the recommendation that one print it. But what do they do? The recommend
AU
and, surprise, surprise, non techies have problems.

On the bright side, it will give the techies lots of work.

Alias

I find it odd that Steve is "Techie" enough to frequent MS NGs & even knows
how to cross-post, but apparently hasn't bothered reading any SP2 related
posts.

--

johnf

"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message
...
MS could have done all that, and it would have been completely ignored.

I wouldn't have ignored it and I think I am not alone. So far, to get
the true picture, you need to go to over 20 MS web sites and read
countless messages on these two newsgroups.

Most of the people who are having issues are the kind of folks that
don't read the installation instructions, website precaution
statements, etc.

Of course, most people are not techies like I said. Most people want to
-- of all things -- *use* their computer, not maintain, configure and
troubleshoot it. What "installation instructions"? Most people get one
instruction: enable AU.

They do not know how to,

Like I said, most people who own computers are not techies and, you're
right, they don't know how. MS should have provided ONE web site with
instructions.

or are too lazy to keep their system running
properly. If they put as much energy into troubleshooting as they do
in blaming and flaming MS, they would have fixed their problems.

Bobby

Do you think that one has a computer so one can have the pleasure of
troubleshooting or do you think one has a computer to *use* it?

Alias

"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Plato" |@|.| wrote
Steve wrote:

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system
before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with

Well, it seems like you just dont know how to upgrade an OS.

How many non techies do? Not many. How many non techies are there who
use XP
compared to techies? A million to one? MS should have provided step by
step
instructions on ONE web site. They should have had a link to it on WU
with the recommendation that one print it. But what do they do? The
recommend AU
and, surprise, surprise, non techies have problems.

On the bright side, it will give the techies lots of work.

Alias

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:00:14 +0200, "Alias" wrote:

Do you think that one has a computer so one can have the pleasure of
troubleshooting or do you think one has a computer to *use* it?

My mother fusses at me for using HER time, when I try to walk her thru fixing
problems on HER computer, in MY spare time (she's 2000 miles away thank
heavens).

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com writes:
MS could have done all that, and it would have been completely ignored.

Or MS could have checked running processes on the machine for known ones
from large companies that they already knew were going to cause problems,
had decided they weren't going to have the installation made compatible
with, and shut them down. They had months to figure this out.

Most of the people who are having issues are the kind of folks that don't
read the installation instructions, website precaution statements, etc.
They do not know how to, or are too lazy to keep their system running
properly. If they put as much energy into troubleshooting as they do in
blaming and flaming MS, they would have fixed their problems.

Ok, I'm sitting here happy to put energy into troubleshooting, Windows
Explorer simply refuses to accept any keystrokes or mouse clicks, can't
select a file in recycle bin, can't select an item in control panel,
can't select a file in an open folder. Have diagnosed that it does not
happen if the system is running in safe mode. Appear to have no other
problems with SP2, thankful for that. Have read hundreds of these
supposed "fixes" and "reasons" that the upgrade didn't work. None of
them apply, don't have Divx, don't have any printer connected, have
all the latest drivers, don't have Zone Alarm, don't have any of the
other "bad" programs, I've even defragged the system, just because some
people somehow think that has anything to do with anything... now tell
me why my energy I've put in for the last three days trying to find a
solution for this hasn't worked?

There are those in the newsgroup with generic good advice, like get rid
of viruses, who could disagree with that, but who I'll bet serious cash
have no evidence that this is the actual source of any of the problems.

There are those in the newsgroup with pointless superstition, like "for
god's sake, just defrag a few more times and maybe a miracle will occur"
but I'll bet serious cash have no evidence that this is the actual source
of any of the problems.

There are a tiny tiny handful of items that actually appear like they
might really address a real problem related to SP2.

And then there are the smart-asses in this group who think it is all
the user's fault and there are no problems with SP2 and if you are
having a problem then you are just too stupid to be a Microsoft customer.
To those I recommend you tell Microsoft buy a series of television
commercials saying "If you had a problem you are too stupid to be
our customer, we don't want you or your money." I imagine Microsoft
will be happy to convey your conclusion to their customers.

Bobby

"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Plato" |@|.| wrote
Steve wrote:

I had a PERFECTLY normal, secure, wonderful (hah!) running system
before
I installed SP2 for Windows XP, which destroyed EVERYTHING!!!! I had
McAfee Security Service running, which apparently conflicted with

Well, it seems like you just dont know how to upgrade an OS.

How many non techies do? Not many. How many non techies are there who use
XP
compared to techies? A million to one? MS should have provided step by
step
instructions on ONE web site. They should have had a link to it on WU with
the recommendation that one print it. But what do they do? The recommend
AU
and, surprise, surprise, non techies have problems.

On the bright side, it will give the techies lots of work.

Alias

"Don Taylor" wrote in message =
...
"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com writes:
MS could have done all that, and it would have been completely =
ignored.=20
=20
Or MS could have checked running processes on the machine for known =
ones
from large companies that they already knew were going to cause =
problems,
had decided they weren't going to have the installation made =
compatible
with, and shut them down. They had months to figure this out.
=20
Most of the people who are having issues are the kind of folks that =
don't=20
read the installation instructions, website precaution statements, =
etc.=20
They do not know how to, or are too lazy to keep their system running=20
properly. If they put as much energy into troubleshooting as they do =
in=20
blaming and flaming MS, they would have fixed their problems.
=20
Ok, I'm sitting here happy to put energy into troubleshooting, Windows
Explorer simply refuses to accept any keystrokes or mouse clicks, =
can't
select a file in recycle bin, can't select an item in control panel,
can't select a file in an open folder. Have diagnosed that it does =
not
happen if the system is running in safe mode. Appear to have no other
problems with SP2, thankful for that. Have read hundreds of these
supposed "fixes" and "reasons" that the upgrade didn't work. None of
them apply, don't have Divx, don't have any printer connected, have
all the latest drivers, don't have Zone Alarm, don't have any of the
other "bad" programs, I've even defragged the system, just because =
some
people somehow think that has anything to do with anything... now tell
me why my energy I've put in for the last three days trying to find a
solution for this hasn't worked?
=20
There are those in the newsgroup with generic good advice, like get =
rid
of viruses, who could disagree with that, but who I'll bet serious =
cash
have no evidence that this is the actual source of any of the =
problems.
=20
There are those in the newsgroup with pointless superstition, like =
"for
god's sake, just defrag a few more times and maybe a miracle will =
occur"
but I'll bet serious cash have no evidence that this is the actual =
source
of any of the problems.
=20
There are a tiny tiny handful of items that actually appear like they
might really address a real problem related to SP2.
=20
And then there are the smart-asses in this group who think it is all
the user's fault and there are no problems with SP2 and if you are
having a problem then you are just too stupid to be a Microsoft =
customer.
To those I recommend you tell Microsoft buy a series of television
commercials saying "If you had a problem you are too stupid to be
our customer, we don't want you or your money." I imagine Microsoft
will be happy to convey your conclusion to their customers.

Good Post, and I agree. Don't pay any attention to Bobby Boy, this is =
the same little =A2=FCnt that got burning CDs wrong and how they work =
for different types. Of course he never came back to dispute his =
stupidity on that.=20

Isn't it funny how stupid people say other people are stupid!!!

Privacy advocates have already stomped that option into oblivion. You
really need to consider reality before suggesting things like that.

Don Taylor wrote:


Or MS could have checked running processes on the machine for known ones
from large companies that they already knew were going to cause problems,