PDFs ARGH!

On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 04:49:54 -0000, Ed Mullen wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/28/2015 2:29 PM:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 17:34:48 -0000, Ed Mullen
wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/28/2015 11:45 AM:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 16:41:35 -0000, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 11/28/2015 10:13 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 16:06:32 -0000, Ken Blake, MVP
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 15:22:37 -0000, "Tough Guy no. 1265"

wrote:


Most PDFs are forms,


Nonsense!

You get the odd datasheet for electronic components, but that's about
it.

Bull****, I keep dozens of service manuals and operating guides
all in
PDF form.
You obviously haven't got a ****en clue about the real computer
world.

Who said I was talking about the computer world? I was talking about
the average person. Everybody has to fill in forms at some point. Most
people don't download service manuals.


Don't know what world you live in but I get the following PDFs
regularly, emailed to me or downloaded.

Invoices
Printing proofs
Terms of service
Account statements (banking, credit cards, etc.)
Bills
Quotations
Directories
Newsletters
Corporate annual reports
Health insurance information
Tax returns prepared by my CPA
Tax forms
Maps/Directions
Invitations
Insurance policies
Purchase receipts
Theater tickets

Okay, I'm tired of looking through the 1,766 PDF files on just one drive
on my system.

Oh, yeah. I also have a lot of user/product manuals.

If I had to use PDFs that often I'd send a bomb to Adobe HQ.


I was trying to give you the benevfit of doubt and you've finally proven
to me that I shouldn't.

So much for logic when conversing with an asshole.

Most people don't use many of your list.

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On 29/11/2015 22:24, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 17:48:20 -0000, Brian Gregory
wrote:

On 28/11/2015 15:23, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 02:45:42 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/27/2015 8:28 PM, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 27/11/2015 16:40, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:30:32 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/27/2015 11:25 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/26/2015 11:30 AM:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to
fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!


Because it's a very useful tool. Does your pdf reader not enable
you to
fill in pdf forms? If so, get the free Foxit Reader.

I posted earlier that I learned about adding text comments to a PDF
document. I did not say that I am using Adobe Reader DC.

If you have not updated to the DC version it is significantly
faster the
revision X

It's meant to autoupdate.... Or is that broken too?


XI and DC are both supported at the moment and Adobe provide security
updates for both. I think X may still be supoorted too but I'm not
sure.
Updating from XI to DC is optional though I thought the Windows
versions
nagged you to do it until you explicitly said no to DC.


I believe the situation with Adobe is that Reader X is supported
through
Windows XP. If you have Windows 7 or greater you can use XI and DC.
Windows XP will not upgrade to the newer versions.

As I said previously if you have not updated to Reader DC, you are
missing so much. DC runs so much faster that the XI or X.

From this thread there appears to be many who have not used Adobe
Reader DC.

I just let it update itself. If I don't have DC then the update system
is broken.


Not necessarily.

It won't force you to update to DC if you're still using a supported
version. I would have thought it would have offered it as an option by
now though.

Yes an option would be fine. Actually I've no idea what I have as I
usually use Foxit or something, or whatever's built into the web
browser. I only ever see the Adobe one when I download it for someone
else. Checking..... I have XI. Even when opening it (which I might not
have done for years), it didn't offer an update. Check for updates gave
me DC 15 though. I guess it was 4 versions out of date? I see they're
calling it Acrobat again.


They skipped straight from XI (11) to DC (15).
There was never a V12, V13 or V14.

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On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 02:30:21 -0000, Brian Gregory wrote:

On 29/11/2015 22:24, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 17:48:20 -0000, Brian Gregory
wrote:

On 28/11/2015 15:23, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 02:45:42 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/27/2015 8:28 PM, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 27/11/2015 16:40, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:30:32 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/27/2015 11:25 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/26/2015 11:30 AM:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to
fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!


Because it's a very useful tool. Does your pdf reader not enable
you to
fill in pdf forms? If so, get the free Foxit Reader.

I posted earlier that I learned about adding text comments to a PDF
document. I did not say that I am using Adobe Reader DC.

If you have not updated to the DC version it is significantly
faster the
revision X

It's meant to autoupdate.... Or is that broken too?


XI and DC are both supported at the moment and Adobe provide security
updates for both. I think X may still be supoorted too but I'm not
sure.
Updating from XI to DC is optional though I thought the Windows
versions
nagged you to do it until you explicitly said no to DC.


I believe the situation with Adobe is that Reader X is supported
through
Windows XP. If you have Windows 7 or greater you can use XI and DC.
Windows XP will not upgrade to the newer versions.

As I said previously if you have not updated to Reader DC, you are
missing so much. DC runs so much faster that the XI or X.

From this thread there appears to be many who have not used Adobe
Reader DC.

I just let it update itself. If I don't have DC then the update system
is broken.


Not necessarily.

It won't force you to update to DC if you're still using a supported
version. I would have thought it would have offered it as an option by
now though.

Yes an option would be fine. Actually I've no idea what I have as I
usually use Foxit or something, or whatever's built into the web
browser. I only ever see the Adobe one when I download it for someone
else. Checking..... I have XI. Even when opening it (which I might not
have done for years), it didn't offer an update. Check for updates gave
me DC 15 though. I guess it was 4 versions out of date? I see they're
calling it Acrobat again.


They skipped straight from XI (11) to DC (15).
There was never a V12, V13 or V14.

That's even worse than Opera, which has stopped doing .1 versions and is now on about version 32!

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On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 04:46:36 -0000, Ed Mullen wrote:

Cy Burnot wrote on 11/28/2015 4:43 PM:
Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/28/2015 4:30 PM:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 21:15:03 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/28/2015 11:15 AM:

No, my point has unchanged, that it's read only to the vast majority.

Hmmm...a file is either read-only or it is not. This does not rely on
the perception of the user. :-)

It relies on the ability of the user and the software he has available. For example Foxit lets you edit when Acrobat does not.

Which Acrobat? Is it distributed with Windows? Which version of Windows?


I don't know of any Adobe Acrobat sw that is distributed with Windows.
Prove it and I'll be happy.

It should be, then there would be far less problems attributed to Adobe making non-compatible documents. Since Adobe give it away free anyway, why not include it with Windows?

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On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 04:44:46 -0000, Ed Mullen wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/28/2015 11:15 AM:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 04:16:33 -0000, Nil
wrote:

On 27 Nov 2015, "Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

I haven't moved any posts. My original post was about how PDFs
are not suited to forms to be filled in.

You do know that there's an electronic trail of your posts, do you not?
Your lies and/or confusion is documented. You clearly stated,

PDF is a read only document!

It is not, and everybody seems to know it but you.

And that is still my point.

That's what you've changed your point into in order to avoid admitting
your error, I guess. Either that or you're trolling again.

No, my point has unchanged, that it's read only to the vast majority.
If geeks know about ways to get round it by using different software,
that's irrelevant to Jo Public.

You might be right if the assumption is that "the vast majority" of
users are as uninformed as you assume. I don't assume that. I can talk
my 81-year-old aunt through all sorts of technical stuff.

I think you're short-changing "the vast majority."

But then, maybe that's based on the people you know.

I know of three types of people:
Computer literate ones, who will get something decent like Foxit.
Reasonably intelligent ones, who will download Acrobat reader when prompted to by the website with the PDF file on it.
The masses, who will have no idea why they can't open the file, and contact one of the two groups above.
I'd say the proportions were roughly 5%:20%:75%.

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On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 01:37:14 -0000, Keith Nuttle wrote:

On 11/28/2015 6:14 PM, Cy Burnot wrote:
Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/28/2015 5:22 PM:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 21:43:14 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/28/2015 4:30 PM:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 21:15:03 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/28/2015 11:15 AM:

No, my point has unchanged, that it's read only to the vast majority.

Hmmm...a file is either read-only or it is not. This does not rely on
the perception of the user. :-)

It relies on the ability of the user and the software he has available. For example Foxit lets you edit when Acrobat does not.

Which Acrobat? Is it distributed with Windows? Which version of Windows?

It's the free thing you get when you click "get acrobat reader" on a website which has a pdf to download.

So you're saying that it is not distributed with Windows?


Since nearly all instructional material is now in PDF format, Most OEM
mainstream computers come wit the Adobe Reader preinstalled, as the
manufacture puts his user manual and trouble shooting guide on the
computer in PDF format

I refer you to my signature below:

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On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 01:30:49 -0000, Keith Nuttle wrote:

On 11/28/2015 4:42 PM, Cy Burnot wrote:
Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/28/2015 2:53 PM:

Funny how I frequently encounter forms to fill in which cannot be edited, and have to print them off.

How about sending one?

There is a difference between those that can not be edited and those
that can not be saved. The idea of some of the forms is to provide a
fixed format for the form. The user can add the information to the form
in the Reader. He then has two options, one to print to paper or print
to a PDF file. Recent versions of the form template can be saved with
the data.

All of the items that I previously printed to paper so I had an exact
copy that could not be easily edited, I now print to PDF Files.
Documents saved as PDF files logically file on a computer disk are so
much easier to use.

Multi page PDF are much easier to navigate through than ten page documents.

What's the point in editing it if you lose the edits when you close it? (I'm assuming stopping you saving also stops you printing, especially as you could print to PDF, which is in effect saving).

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On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 00:51:16 -0000, Sam Hill wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:27:29 +0000, Tough Guy no. 0000 wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:22:55 -0000, Sam Hill wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 21:32:39 +0000, Tough Guy no. 0000 wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 21:15:47 -0000, Neil
wrote:
On 11/28/2015 2:53 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
[biggasnip]
Funny how I frequently encounter forms to fill in which cannot be
edited, and have to print them off.

That is not an indication of the default setting of any app. Then
again, you may not have PDF editing tools.

I shouldn't have to. I'm talking about forms for people to fill in
online.

Then why did you start the thread about *PDFs*? Online forms are all
about HTML and server-side web page code. Or ... are you moving the
goalposts again in order to try to save face? Trust me, it won't work.

When I said "forms for people to fill in online", I meant you get the
form online.

What you meant is not what you said. "Fill in online" means go to a web
page and fill in a form.

You go online to get it and fill it in while you're still online.

Snob.

Yeah, that'll get you a lot of help.

Can't remember what it was in reply to. You snipped.

Your newsreader and memory is broken? It was said:
"It sounds like you've never done prepress work."

You did well in "Backpedal School", though.

I can't remember trivial things like newsgroup conversations, and I can't be bothered finding the thread either. I have my newsreader set up so replies to me (and those underneath that) go into a seperate folder, easier to find the conversations I'm already taking part in. 99% of the time, people leave in context.

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On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 00:26:31 -0000, Ken Springer wrote:

On 11/26/15 2:23 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 12:53:21 -0600, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 11/26/2015 12:37 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

That's my point. The standard Adobe Reader, which is what Jo Public
has, doesn't let you edit most of them.


Lots of people use Foxit and Sumatra, among others, I gave up on Adobe
ages ago.


I'm with you. I use Foxit Reader and like it much better than Adobe
Reader.

I use Apple's Preview for virtually all my PDF needs.

What is a traitor like you doing in the Windows newsgroup? BOIL HIS HEAD!

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On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 23:38:10 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/28/2015 6:33 PM:

It's the free thing you get when you click "get acrobat reader" on a website which has a pdf to download.

So you're saying that it is not distributed with Windows?

WTF has that to do with anything? My point is it's the one most people have. Only computer minded people get alternates.


But if they clicked that link, wouldn't they get the latest Acrobat
Reader???

I for one don't see the link as I have an older Acrobat installed and/or my browser supports it directly, not sure which.

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On 2015-11-30 10:42 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 00:26:31 -0000, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 11/26/15 2:23 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 12:53:21 -0600, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 11/26/2015 12:37 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

That's my point. The standard Adobe Reader, which is what
Jo Public has, doesn't let you edit most of them.


Lots of people use Foxit and Sumatra, among others, I gave up
on Adobe ages ago.


I'm with you. I use Foxit Reader and like it much better than
Adobe Reader.

I use Apple's Preview for virtually all my PDF needs.

What is a traitor like you doing in the Windows newsgroup? BOIL
HIS HEAD!

What a worthless product Apple offers. The slowest filesystem, the
heaviest GUI, the most expensive hardware.

Garbage, all of it.

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On 2015-11-30 10:42 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 00:26:31 -0000, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 11/26/15 2:23 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 12:53:21 -0600, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 11/26/2015 12:37 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

That's my point. The standard Adobe Reader, which is what
Jo Public has, doesn't let you edit most of them.


Lots of people use Foxit and Sumatra, among others, I gave up
on Adobe ages ago.


I'm with you. I use Foxit Reader and like it much better than
Adobe Reader.

I use Apple's Preview for virtually all my PDF needs.

What is a traitor like you doing in the Windows newsgroup? BOIL
HIS HEAD!

What a worthless product Apple offers. The slowest filesystem, the
heaviest GUI, the most expensive hardware.

Garbage, all of it.

But they're nice and shiny :-)

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On 2015-11-30 11:17 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 15:44:34 -0000, Slimer wrote:

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On 2015-11-30 10:42 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 00:26:31 -0000, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 11/26/15 2:23 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 12:53:21 -0600, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 11/26/2015 12:37 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

That's my point. The standard Adobe Reader, which is
what Jo Public has, doesn't let you edit most of them.


Lots of people use Foxit and Sumatra, among others, I
gave up on Adobe ages ago.


I'm with you. I use Foxit Reader and like it much better
than Adobe Reader.

I use Apple's Preview for virtually all my PDF needs.

What is a traitor like you doing in the Windows newsgroup?
BOIL HIS HEAD!

What a worthless product Apple offers. The slowest filesystem,
the heaviest GUI, the most expensive hardware.

Garbage, all of it.

But they're nice and shiny :-)

So are Jaguars but they fell apart the moment a snow flake hits them.


- --
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EFF & OpenMedia member / IFAW & PETA supporter
Wretched Stallman says: "Only YOU can prevent Snit's leftist, atheist
propaganda machine."

"I am clearly quite ethical / moral." - Snit, lying shamelessly,
November 24th, 2015


"*plonk*" - chrisv, lying shamelessly, every day
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On 2015-11-30 10:42 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 00:26:31 -0000, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 11/26/15 2:23 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 12:53:21 -0600, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 11/26/2015 12:37 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

That's my point. The standard Adobe Reader, which is what
Jo Public has, doesn't let you edit most of them.


Lots of people use Foxit and Sumatra, among others, I gave up
on Adobe ages ago.


I'm with you. I use Foxit Reader and like it much better than
Adobe Reader.

I use Apple's Preview for virtually all my PDF needs.

What is a traitor like you doing in the Windows newsgroup? BOIL
HIS HEAD!

What a worthless product Apple offers. The slowest filesystem, the
heaviest GUI, the most expensive hardware.

Garbage, all of it.

But...

1. It always runs, never locks up except for OE issues.
2. No Patch Tuesday issues to screw things up.
3. After 6.5 years, still a superior display to my eyes.
4. Just a smoother "feel" than Windows.

Not saying it's perfect, nor for everyone. But I still use it over the
w7 and 8.1 machine I have here that runs circles around it.

Apple seems to have a better handle on daily use items, and doing things
the way people would like.

For instance... Both OS X and Windows include a sticky notes program.

OS X... You put a lot of info into the OS X sticky note. Let's say a
grocery list. Time to go the store, and you want to print the note.
Select print, and go to the store.

Windows... You put a lot of info into the Windows sticky note. Let's
say a grocery list. Time to go the store, and you want to print the
note. Crap!!! No print option. Open a text program of your choice.
Copy and paste to the new program. Now you can print and then go to the
store.

Of the two methods above, which do you think most people would prefer?

Not to mention there are more formatting options in the OS X sticky notes.

Windows Journal would be really great, except you have to have a text
box to type text. Notes in OS X? Just type.

It all depends on what you want and/or need. Neither is better than the
other, just different. And I'm getting tired of some things in both
that I'm beginning to think about trying Linux.

Trying for the 3rd time to get a W10 system to update to 1511/10526.
Upgrading the other boot partition on this computer to El Capitan was
smooth as silk.



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On 2015-11-30 11:23 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 11/30/15 8:44 AM, Slimer wrote:
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On 2015-11-30 10:42 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 00:26:31 -0000, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 11/26/15 2:23 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 12:53:21 -0600, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 11/26/2015 12:37 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

That's my point. The standard Adobe Reader, which is
what Jo Public has, doesn't let you edit most of them.


Lots of people use Foxit and Sumatra, among others, I
gave up on Adobe ages ago.


I'm with you. I use Foxit Reader and like it much better
than Adobe Reader.

I use Apple's Preview for virtually all my PDF needs.

What is a traitor like you doing in the Windows newsgroup? BOIL
HIS HEAD!

What a worthless product Apple offers. The slowest filesystem,
the heaviest GUI, the most expensive hardware.

Garbage, all of it.

But...

1. It always runs, never locks up except for OE issues.

Not true. My mom's Mac locks up randomly. I have yet to visit her home
without feeling entirely frustrated with the experience her Mac provides
..

2. No Patch Tuesday issues to screw things up.

They have patches on other days and they cause just as many issues. I
have yet to experience any in Windows with an update though I've heard
that it happens.

3. After 6.5 years, still a superior display to my eyes.

Maybe the screen itself is, but the GUI isn't.

4. Just a smoother "feel" than Windows.

Being slow as molasses might result in appearing smooth, but it's
still slow as molasses.

Not saying it's perfect, nor for everyone. But I still use it
over the w7 and 8.1 machine I have here that runs circles around
it.

Apple seems to have a better handle on daily use items, and doing
things the way people would like.

For instance... Both OS X and Windows include a sticky notes
program.

It's like the Linux losers boasting that they have a ****load of text
editors.

OS X... You put a lot of info into the OS X sticky note. Let's
say a grocery list. Time to go the store, and you want to print
the note. Select print, and go to the store.

Wow, what a feature! Why play every game imaginable and have drivers
for all hardware as well as a speedy system when you can go back to
the 1970s and print a grocery list?

Windows... You put a lot of info into the Windows sticky note.
Let's say a grocery list. Time to go the store, and you want to
print the note. Crap!!! No print option. Open a text program of
your choice. Copy and paste to the new program. Now you can print
and then go to the store.

Of the two methods above, which do you think most people would
prefer?

People want hardware that actually enables them to do something.
Printing a grocery list interests you and only you.

Not to mention there are more formatting options in the OS X
sticky notes.

Windows Journal would be really great, except you have to have a
text box to type text. Notes in OS X? Just type.

It all depends on what you want and/or need. Neither is better
than the other, just different. And I'm getting tired of some
things in both that I'm beginning to think about trying Linux.

Trying for the 3rd time to get a W10 system to update to
1511/10526. Upgrading the other boot partition on this computer to
El Capitan was smooth as silk.

If you say so.


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Slimer
EFF & OpenMedia member / IFAW & PETA supporter
Wretched Stallman says: "Only YOU can prevent Snit's leftist, atheist
propaganda machine."

"I am clearly quite ethical / moral." - Snit, lying shamelessly,
November 24th, 2015


"*plonk*" - chrisv, lying shamelessly, every day
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