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Allen Drake wrote:


Those are the two I use but maybe you can tell me something about
Agent. I am having difficulties editing with Agent ver.7. If I edit in
the middle of a sentence the rest of the words will be eaten up so I
have to start over again.

Just hit the "Insert" key. It toggles the editor between insert and
overwrite modes.

--
Tim Slattery

Tim Slattery :
Allen Drake wrote:


Those are the two I use but maybe you can tell me something about
Agent. I am having difficulties editing with Agent ver.7. If I edit in
the middle of a sentence the rest of the words will be eaten up so I
have to start over again.

Just hit the "Insert" key. It toggles the editor between insert and
overwrite modes.

Overwrite mode? I thought that died out some time around 1990. What's
the point?

--
Mike Barnes

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:57:38 +0100, Mike Barnes
wrote:

Tim Slattery :
Allen Drake wrote:


Those are the two I use but maybe you can tell me something about
Agent. I am having difficulties editing with Agent ver.7. If I edit in
the middle of a sentence the rest of the words will be eaten up so I
have to start over again.

Just hit the "Insert" key. It toggles the editor between insert and
overwrite modes.

Overwrite mode? I thought that died out some time around 1990. What's
the point?

You might not care for it, but I find it useful on occasion.

Replacing n characters with n characters can be useful when
editing fixed-width data.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 03:04:48 -0400, Allen Drake
wrote:

My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use
Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and Forté Agent for newsgroups, but you
should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make
your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best (or even
what Microsoft suggests)."

Those are the two I use but maybe you can tell me something about
Agent. I am having difficulties editing with Agent ver.7.


I use Agent 6, not 7, but your question actually has nothing to do
with any version of Agent. It has to do with typing on your keyboard.


If I edit in
the middle of a sentence the rest of the words will be eaten up so I
have to start over again. How do I insert words to stop this from
happening.


The keyboard can work in either of two modes--insert and overtype. The
insert key toggles between the two of them (read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insert_key).

You are typing in insert mode and you want to type in overtype mode,
so just press Insert to change modes.

By the way, I *always* want to type in overtype mode, but I am likely
to hit the Insert key accidentally. So I have the Insert key turned
off on my keyboard, using the small, simple, very easy to use, free
program called SharpKeys at http://www.randyrants.com/sharpkeys/ I
also use it to turn off Caps lock which I never want to use and am
prone to hitting accidentally.

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 03:29:11 -0400, Allen Drake
wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 09:06:10 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 07:49:34 -0400, "SC Tom" wrote:


That's why everyone recommends their favorite- there are no saints here :-)


I don't exactly recommend my favorite, Here's part of my standard post
on the subject:

"Some people will tell you to use Windows Live Mail; others will tell
you to use Thunderbird; still others may have other recommendations.

My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use
Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and Forté Agent for newsgroups, but you
should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make
your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best (or even
what Microsoft suggests)."

I meant Outlook Express and not Outlook.



Two *very* different programs, as you perhaps know. But with regard to
your question, it doesn't matter.

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:42:42 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:57:38 +0100, Mike Barnes
wrote:

Tim Slattery :
Allen Drake wrote:


Those are the two I use but maybe you can tell me something about
Agent. I am having difficulties editing with Agent ver.7. If I edit in
the middle of a sentence the rest of the words will be eaten up so I
have to start over again.

Just hit the "Insert" key. It toggles the editor between insert and
overwrite modes.

Overwrite mode? I thought that died out some time around 1990. What's
the point?

You might not care for it, but I find it useful on occasion.

Replacing n characters with n characters can be useful when
editing fixed-width data.



I understand your point, but you can easily accomplish the same thing
in Insert mode by double-clicking the word you want to overtype to
select it.

I hate to have Typeover mode available, since I am always at risk of
accidentally hitting the Insert key.

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 12:24:53 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:42:42 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
wrote:

[snip]

Replacing n characters with n characters can be useful when
editing fixed-width data.

I understand your point, but you can easily accomplish the same thing
in Insert mode by double-clicking the word you want to overtype to
select it.

No, you can not, because you do not get the assurance of
one-to-one character replacement. Overwrite gives that. It is a
special use, and I like having it.

I hate to have Typeover mode available, since I am always at risk of
accidentally hitting the Insert key.

I like having it for those times when it matters.

Why not hate the other keys, since you are always at risk of
accidentally hitting one of them?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:31:51 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 12:24:53 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:42:42 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
wrote:

[snip]

Replacing n characters with n characters can be useful when
editing fixed-width data.

I understand your point, but you can easily accomplish the same thing
in Insert mode by double-clicking the word you want to overtype to
select it.

No, you can not, because you do not get the assurance of
one-to-one character replacement. Overwrite gives that. It is a
special use, and I like having it.


OK. I can't think of a time when I wanted one-to-one character
replacement, but if you need it, then fine.


I hate to have Typeover mode available, since I am always at risk of
accidentally hitting the Insert key.

I like having it for those times when it matters.

Why not hate the other keys, since you are always at risk of
accidentally hitting one of them?



No, it's very different. If, for example, I hit the "W" instead of the
"E," it's a single mistake and it's easy to correct. And I'll probably
get a misspelled word and my spell checker will probably catch it. But
I am a two-finger typist, and I look at the keyboard as I type. If I
hit the Insert key by accident, I can mess up lots of typing without
having realized it. That's a royal pain to have to fix.

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:56:49 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 03:04:48 -0400, Allen Drake
wrote:

My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use
Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and Forté Agent for newsgroups, but you
should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make
your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best (or even
what Microsoft suggests)."

Those are the two I use but maybe you can tell me something about
Agent. I am having difficulties editing with Agent ver.7.


I use Agent 6, not 7, but your question actually has nothing to do
with any version of Agent. It has to do with typing on your keyboard.


If I edit in
the middle of a sentence the rest of the words will be eaten up so I
have to start over again. How do I insert words to stop this from
happening.


The keyboard can work in either of two modes--insert and overtype. The
insert key toggles between the two of them (read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insert_key).

You are typing in insert mode and you want to type in overtype mode,
so just press Insert to change modes.

By the way, I *always* want to type in overtype mode, but I am likely
to hit the Insert key accidentally. So I have the Insert key turned
off on my keyboard, using the small, simple, very easy to use, free
program called SharpKeys at http://www.randyrants.com/sharpkeys/ I
also use it to turn off Caps lock which I never want to use and am
prone to hitting accidentally.

Thanks, that simplifies it for me. What about making it easier to
read by something like changing colors like OE did with that add on.
As I look up now at what has been posted I really can't tell who typed
what or when.

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 03:33:21 -0400, Allen Drake
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:56:49 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 03:04:48 -0400, Allen Drake
wrote:

My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use
Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and Forté Agent for newsgroups, but you
should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make
your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best (or even
what Microsoft suggests)."

Those are the two I use but maybe you can tell me something about
Agent. I am having difficulties editing with Agent ver.7.


I use Agent 6, not 7, but your question actually has nothing to do
with any version of Agent. It has to do with typing on your keyboard.


If I edit in
the middle of a sentence the rest of the words will be eaten up so I
have to start over again. How do I insert words to stop this from
happening.


The keyboard can work in either of two modes--insert and overtype. The
insert key toggles between the two of them (read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insert_key).

You are typing in insert mode and you want to type in overtype mode,
so just press Insert to change modes.

By the way, I *always* want to type in overtype mode, but I am likely
to hit the Insert key accidentally. So I have the Insert key turned
off on my keyboard, using the small, simple, very easy to use, free
program called SharpKeys at http://www.randyrants.com/sharpkeys/ I
also use it to turn off Caps lock which I never want to use and am
prone to hitting accidentally.

Thanks, that simplifies it for me. What about making it easier to
read by something like changing colors like OE did with that add on.
As I look up now at what has been posted I really can't tell who typed
what or when.


In almost all newsgroup readers (except Windows Live Mail) you can
tell by the number of s at the beginning of the line. See the quotes
above.

If Agent 7.0 can change colors, I don't know it, but I don't think it
can. You might want to ask in the Agent newsgroup.

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 07:38:44 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

If Agent 7.0 can change colors, I don't know it, but I don't think it
can. You might want to ask in the Agent newsgroup.

Agent 2.0 can show multiple colors. I have it set to black for new
text and blue for quoted text, with URLs in green. (I didn't change
them; those are the defaults.) I'd be surprised if v7.0 has lost that
capability. They might even have expanded it, but I don't have v7.0 so
I can't easily check.

--

Char Jackson

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:02:36 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 07:38:44 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

If Agent 7.0 can change colors, I don't know it, but I don't think it
can. You might want to ask in the Agent newsgroup.

Agent 2.0 can show multiple colors. I have it set to black for new
text and blue for quoted text, with URLs in green. (I didn't change
them; those are the defaults.) I'd be surprised if v7.0 has lost that
capability. They might even have expanded it, but I don't have v7.0 so
I can't easily check.


Yes, what you are saying is correct. I know that. But if I understood
his question correctly, that's not what he wanted to know. He wanted a
different color for each person quoted in the thread. And as far as I
know, it can not do that.

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:01:49 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:02:36 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 07:38:44 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

If Agent 7.0 can change colors, I don't know it, but I don't think it
can. You might want to ask in the Agent newsgroup.

Agent 2.0 can show multiple colors. I have it set to black for new
text and blue for quoted text, with URLs in green. (I didn't change
them; those are the defaults.) I'd be surprised if v7.0 has lost that
capability. They might even have expanded it, but I don't have v7.0 so
I can't easily check.

Yes, what you are saying is correct. I know that. But if I understood
his question correctly, that's not what he wanted to know. He wanted a
different color for each person quoted in the thread. And as far as I
know, it can not do that.

Both of the newsreaders I use (Dialog & MesNews) can be set to different
colors for each level of quotation.

That would be a different color for each author only if each reply in a
series is by a different person. That isn't especially common, of
course, so the same author would have two colors from replying at two
levels.

Also the number of levels is limited; every reply beyond a depth of 100
is the same color. (It isn't really 100 levels, of course, more like 6
or 10).

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:10:27 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:01:49 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:02:36 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 07:38:44 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

If Agent 7.0 can change colors, I don't know it, but I don't think it
can. You might want to ask in the Agent newsgroup.

Agent 2.0 can show multiple colors. I have it set to black for new
text and blue for quoted text, with URLs in green. (I didn't change
them; those are the defaults.) I'd be surprised if v7.0 has lost that
capability. They might even have expanded it, but I don't have v7.0 so
I can't easily check.

Yes, what you are saying is correct. I know that. But if I understood
his question correctly, that's not what he wanted to know. He wanted a
different color for each person quoted in the thread. And as far as I
know, it can not do that.

Both of the newsreaders I use (Dialog & MesNews) can be set to different
colors for each level of quotation.

That would be a different color for each author only if each reply in a
series is by a different person. That isn't especially common, of
course, so the same author would have two colors from replying at two
levels.

Also the number of levels is limited; every reply beyond a depth of 100
is the same color. (It isn't really 100 levels, of course, more like 6
or 10).

I only used the color scheme as an example but I see now the
different number of "" added to the beginning of posts.

Thanks for that.

Al.

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:01:49 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:02:36 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 07:38:44 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

If Agent 7.0 can change colors, I don't know it, but I don't think it
can. You might want to ask in the Agent newsgroup.

Agent 2.0 can show multiple colors. I have it set to black for new
text and blue for quoted text, with URLs in green. (I didn't change
them; those are the defaults.) I'd be surprised if v7.0 has lost that
capability. They might even have expanded it, but I don't have v7.0 so
I can't easily check.


Yes, what you are saying is correct. I know that. But if I understood
his question correctly, that's not what he wanted to know. He wanted a
different color for each person quoted in the thread. And as far as I
know, it can not do that.

Cool, I see now, thanks. You're right, at least WRT Agent 2.0, that
all quoted text is colored the same, regardless of quote level.

--

Char Jackson