All I want to do is bring a file from WinXP over to the iPad

nospam wrote in
lid:

the simplest solution is shoot photos and they *automatically* show up
on the computer *without* *doing* *a* *thing*.

You are clearly an idiot if you think I want all my photos to end up on
someone else's computer, especially when all I wanted was two
of his MP4 videos.

nospam wrote in
lid:

i said using bluetooth for file transfer is stupid, and it is. it's very
stupid.

You are clearly an idiot because each file transfer mechanism has its
uses.

For example, if you're not on the same network, then Bluetooth works just
fine for sending a couple of files from one machine to the other. It
doesn't work with my iPad, but it works just fine for all my other
devices (of which I have many) and I have used it many times successfully.

It is *not* too slow (takes a few seconds, in fact, for a photo); so your
objections are clearly manufactured, or you're too ignorant to understand
the concept of inherent file sizes and inherent bluetooth speeds.

Likewise, if you're all on the same network, then WiFi transfer works
just fine, which is what I often use with Android, especially when I
don't have a cable handy (WiFi is faster than bluetooth, so, the concept
of file sizes and inherent speeds, which I know, confuse you, play a
role).

If you have a cable handy, and if you feel like using it, then by all
means, USB is faster and works just fine to download a file from the
computer to the iPad. Again, I realize you're challenged (or just
trolling), but, the speeds here are fastest.

While you seem to love syncing all your files from your many computers to
your iOS mobile devices, I prefer to keep my files separate thank you.

The fact you can't even *comprehend* that concept is the most worrisome
of all your statements. Either that, or you're simply a low-life troll.

It's hard to tell if you're simply ignorant or if you're a troll, since I
happen to know a lot about what I speak, and you clearly either have an
agenda (in which case you're trolling), or you're wholly ignorant of
inherent file sizes and speeds of the various transfer mechanisms.

nospam wrote in
lid:

why would someone intentionally choose the slowest method?

You're an idiot.

What would *you* use, if you had no cable handy, and you were not in
*any* network, for example, yet, you still wished to copy a file from a
laptop to the iOS device.

Oh wait. I know. Michelle would do the same thing.

You'd give up. Because you're so close minded that you can't even
*comprehend* of any answer to the problem that doesn't include iTunes and
automatically syncing *all* your files from all your laptops to all your
friends' iOS devices.

Either you're trolling, or you're an abject idiot.

In article , says...

On 2015-08-03 5:04 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Wolf K
wrote:

You may not recall the ads that Apple ran at the time. Everything Apple
was easier, better, more powerful, and of course more secure than
anything Windows. I didn't want to stay with Windows, so I bought the
Apple hype. I expected that apart from a few minor glitches such as the
silly one-button mouse, it would be easier to use than the XP box once
I'd gotten used to the Apple Way. It wasn't. It was just different. No
easier, no harder, just different. So I'd spent twice as much as I
needed to do what I wanted to do.

you didn't spend twice as much and you can use any mouse you want.

The G4 cost $1500. The XP laptop I replaced it with a yer later had a
faster (dual-core) CPU, twice the HDD storage, same screen size, built
in wi-fi, noticeably faster graphics. Cost $800.

The G4 came with a one button mouse. I bought a two-button mouse
specially made for Apple systems. It cam with a CD that had - wait for
it! ta-daa! - a two-button mouse driver on it. We still have the box it
came in, my wife uses it to store blank CDs. A later OS-X update did
include the two button mouse driver, so any mouse _from then on_ did in
fact work.

there is also no such thing as 'the apple way'. you can configure it
any way you want.

or you can whine.

I reported bad experiences with an Apple product. The install/uninstall
process was very nice. I used it a lot trying to find 3rd party apps
that would do more or less what I wanted them to do. The only that did
was Journler, still available.

I suggest you notice there's a difference between present and past tense.

Mid 80's setting up a graphics lab with mix of Macs and PCs at that
time. Needed a hard disk. A hard disk for a Mac was almost 3 times as
expensive as the same model made for a pc. Never have seriously
considered buying a Mac ever since saw that. That's not to say I
wouldn't use one if it was given to me

On 8/3/15 3:58 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

nonsense. osx is as customizable as either of those, if not more so.

Maybe now. Back then about all I could do was change the skin.
then you didn't look very hard.

Here, I have to agree with Wolf. The inability to customize the
desktop, out of the box, on my Mac is lame compared to Windows. Just 3
basic skins, no font changes, no window colors, etc. Maybe you can do
more in Terminal, but the user shouldn't have to in this case.

in finder, under view options, you can choose a white background, a
colour background with choice of colour or a picture and it can be
different for each window.

Not in Mountain Lion.

for font changes and more, get tinker tool.

windows is no different. i used to use tweakui on xp.

Thing is, if we're going to compare what can and can't be done we should
be comparing what can be done out of the box, not using special tools or
programs.

In 2009, not that long ago, the only way to adjust window size was to
grab and use the lower right corner.

that makes more sense than resizing by any edge.

before apple removed the borders, dragging a window from the edge was
possible and *very* useful.

I prefer that too.



--
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Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 8/3/15 4:51 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-08-03 5:04 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Wolf K
wrote:

I had a Powerbook G4. Nice machine, but I gave up on it, because it
wasn't as intuitive as advertised. The bundled apps were IMO no better
than the stuff bundled with Windows.

you're not limited to bundled apps.

No, but I expected them to do a hell of a lot more than they actually
did. After all, I was moving from Microsoft Hell to Apple Heaven. I
expected the G4 to be a much better system, bundled software and all,
than the Windows XP desktop I had. It just wasn't.

how so?

what did you want to do that you could not? [...]

Nothing. All in all, the G4 was different, not better, not worse, than
the XP box. But I expected better.

the G4 cost more than an equivalent Windows system, so when I decided to
get rid of it, I didn't replace it with a MacBook, but a Windows XP
laptop, which, as I said, is still alive and earning its keep in Texas.
I don't know what happened to the G4. I gave it to my granddaughter, who
wanted it because her friend had a MacBook. I don't know when she
disposed of it, but now she has an iPad mini, an iPhone, and a W7
laptop. That's for work, the i-thingies are for play.

The iPhoto debacle: I don't know why, but it left a bad taste. iPhoto
didn't do what I expected (and still expect) any basic photo app to do,
and while it could do other things very well, that's not what I wanted
to do. "Asset managing" is not essential to a photo-app from my POV.
However, if I ever get such a program, I'd want it manage a lot more
than just photos.

I never cared for iPhoto either. But food for thought... Maybe the
problem is us. (OH, NO!!!!!! LOL) Maybe we expected iPhoto to be
Tool X, when it's actually Tool Y. That doesn't mean there's anything
wrong with iPhoto, it's just the wrong tool for us.

It doesn't matter what's available in the Apple Universe now. I switched
back to Windows (with a few Linux excursions along the way), and I see
no reason to go back to a Mac.

And for general use, I don't want to go back to Windows, although I
really like the speed of the Win7/8 box I built.



--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 8/3/15 4:32 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2015-08-03, Wolf K wrote:

Asset manager? Oh, you mean some specialised file manager just for
photos. That's too much a of a jump from "casual use", which for me
merely means copy from camera (or temporary scan folder) into the
appropriate folder, and rename. I prefer to organise data myself, with
suitably named folder trees.

Then you are severely limiting yourself. File system based organization
is extremely rigid and limited compared to the relational database
approach taken by asset managers. With asset managers you can group
media based on all sorts of things a file system approach cannot do
without lots of additional work.

The trouble with (semi-)automatic "asset mangers" is that they're
built by people don't think the same as me, so their organisation
schemes just don't work for me.

Nope. Asset managers are *much* more flexible than a file system
approach and allow you to organize your media in any way you can
imagine, on the fly, without creating folders and soft links, and
without moving the media around the file system.

I found Windows Libraries to be much the same, too rigid to let me do
with what sounds like a great feature, to me at least.

But, I played around and experimented, and found a way to make the
libraries actually work more like a real library catalogue card system.


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

In article , Wildman
wrote:

Because it has nothing to do with Linux or Android...

http://www.ericberne.com/games-peopl...t-you-yes-but/

The short article is interesting and obvious once he spells it out. We
all know people like that. They're yesbutters.

leo

On 8/3/15 5:14 PM, Wolf K wrote:
you didn't spend twice as much and you can use any mouse you want.
The G4 cost $1500. The XP laptop I replaced it with a yer later had a
faster (dual-core) CPU, twice the HDD storage, same screen size, built
in wi-fi, noticeably faster graphics. Cost $800.

Talking today's situation only and generally leaving Windows 10 out of
it as I've not received my reserved copy yet...

I realized just a few months ago, that in all the "how much it costs"
discussions, participants are always talking about the hardware that is
on the machine, but never the software nor customer service that comes
with the new out of the box system.

For hardware, let's say you have an Apple computer, and a Windows
computer with matching hardware specs, at least as close as possible.
And of course, matching models, meaning an iMac needs to be compared to
a Windows All-in-One unit. And you need to be pretty detailed here,
will the hard drive last 2 years or 20 years according to the specs?
And so forth.

What software comes with the Windows computer that is comparable to the
following programs on a Mac...

Preview
Automator
sqlite (which I learned is installed from a message in this thread)
cURL (http://curl.haxx.se/)

There may be other programs hidden in OS X I don't know about.

What software comes preinstalled on a Windows computer that a similar
program doesn't come in OS X?

The above will probably be difficult, since you have to know what the
programs do on both systems and to be able to compare them. For
instance, using the print command in conjunction with Preview will allow
you to create simple PDF documents. I don't know of a way to do this in
any Windows without 3rd party software. (Note, even in general use,
this would exclude installed 3rd party software that has an Export PDF
function, since other programs do not access that function.)

Automator will be another difficult one, and way above my head to even try.

Old Unix guys have told me that the "power" of Terminal surpasses the
Command Window. Anyone here used both sufficiently to comment on that
claim?

Customer service... I think it was nospam that commented that Apple
Stores will transfer all of your data from from Windows to Macs, and set
everything up for you. What PC manufacturer does the same?

The customer service is there whether you need it or not, whether you
want it or not. That will be built into the price. Just like buying
that accessory package for your car. There may be 3 things of 10 you
don't want, but if you want the other 7, you will buy the 3 you don't
want whether you like it or not.

I'm not trying to start any fanboi wars or anything, I just want to see
a cost comparison posted that contains absolutely *everything* available
to the new user whether they use the things available or not.


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

nospam wrote in
lid:

bluetooth file transfer is *not there* because it's a complete waste of
time when you can transfer something over 100x as fast over wifi.

See? You're not actually as stupid as you appear to be!

Fact is, Bluetooth "just doesn't work" on iOS (and you knew that but
didn't want to say that, so you made up some crap about Bluetooth being a
bad solution - where - meanwhile - the rest of us do just fine with
Bluetooth - and yes - we at least know what we're talking about).

So you, and Michelle (who may be the very same person, I don't know),
would both just give up if you had no cable and you weren't on a
network. That Jolly idiot wouldn't even know that much.

Meanwhile, while you'd be forced to "just give up", everyone else would
copy the files just fine.

On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:15:06 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

They're yesbutters.

leo

ROFLMAO! Somebody call Webster. You have coined a
new word.

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by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed,
the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning.
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion."
-Mentat Piter DeVries

| nothing satisfies everyone. a small number of people don't like itunes
| and are very vocal about it, but there are hundreds of millions who
| don't have a problem
|
| These hundreds of millions are the same ones who don't know any better
| and certainly would never even look for a better solution than itunes is
| for them.
|

Actually those hundreds of millions live only
in nospam's head. He's famous for adamant
pronouncements with no actual information
to back them up. He implies that 95+% of
people who use iTunes like it. Of course he offers
no source for that statement. I doubt there
are any such statistics to begin with. What I
do know is that I've had to clean it out of
friends PCs. They happen to go to a site that
requires iTunes, agree to let it install, and end
up with a whole suite of superfluous spyware
running in the background.

On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 20:48:11 -0300, pjp
wrote:

Mid 80's setting up a graphics lab with mix of Macs and PCs at that
time. Needed a hard disk. A hard disk for a Mac was almost 3 times as
expensive as the same model made for a pc. Never have seriously
considered buying a Mac ever since saw that. That's not to say I
wouldn't use one if it was given to me

I had a Mac laptop given to me in late 2008, I believe, and I turned around
and gave it away without evening opening the carton. I was leading a
large-ish project with a $52M budget, and one of the guys sneaked in a
purchase of a dozen of the laptops at $3300 each. I had zero interest in it,
so I gave it away to a colleague. I'm not familiar with the models from back
then, but it was possibly a MacBook Air? That seems to ring a bell, but I
could be wrong.

At the time, very nice Windows laptops were available for less than a third
of the cost. I don't know about their respective capabilities so I'm only
comparing price. I'm sure someone will tell me that the Mac was worth every
penny.

--

Char Jackson

On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 20:56:43 -0500, Wildman wrote:

On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 18:15:06 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

They're yesbutters.

leo

ROFLMAO! Somebody call Webster. You have coined a
new word.

I forgot to add...

I believe this one of the most successful games I have
ever seen. In only a couple of days the follow-up count
is rapidly approaching 300 and it is not slowing down.
I especially love the spin-off threads where all the
willie waving is going on. Priceless!

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"You can't fix stupid."
-Ron White

On 2015-08-03, Werner Obermeier wrote:
nospam wrote in
lid:

i said using bluetooth for file transfer is stupid, and it is. it's
very stupid.

You are clearly an idiot because each file transfer mechanism has its
uses.

Nah, you're definitely wrong.

For example, if you're not on the same network, then Bluetooth works
just fine for sending a couple of files from one machine to the other.
It doesn't work with my iPad, but it works just fine for all my other
devices (of which I have many) and I have used it many times
successfully.

So did I - back in the 90s. Now faster and easier things exist. You're
apparently hopelessly stuck in the past.

It is *not* too slow (takes a few seconds, in fact, for a photo); so
your objections are clearly manufactured, or you're too ignorant to
understand the concept of inherent file sizes and inherent bluetooth
speeds.

You said you wanted to copy several large movie files at ~1GB each.
Don't pretend that would only take a couple seconds over Bluetooth.

Likewise, if you're all on the same network, then WiFi transfer works
just fine

Irrelevant to the topic of whether using Bluetooth for file transfers is
worthwhile, when *much* better things are available.

While you seem to love syncing all your files from your many computers
to your iOS mobile devices, I prefer to keep my files separate thank
you.

You're posting here because you wanted to copy something from a computer
to an iPad, and that's *precisely* what iTunes is designed to do.
Nothing at all prevents you from removing the file from the computer
once it's copied to the iPad - just as nothing prevents you from
deleting the file from the iPad. There's nothing at all that says if you
use iTunes you *must* keep copies of your files everywhere. Stop making
**** up.

The fact you can't even *comprehend* that concept is the most
worrisome of all your statements.

The fact that you know so little about iTunes but talk as if you do says
a lot about your character.

It's hard to tell if you're simply ignorant or if you're a troll,
since I happen to know a lot about what I speaki

The Usenet record shows you clearly don't know what you are talking
about when it comes to pretty much *anything* Apple. You've been posting
to the iOS and Mac news groups for a while now under your various names,
and that's crystal clear. Troll on, trollboi.

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