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Printing Windows 7 Help and Support files
Does anyone know of a way to select the font used for printing these
files when the print button is pressed? It appears to my eyes the font used is Times-Roman, and I would like to change both the font and printing characteristics, such as size and style. Preferable, being able to do this after clicking the Print button would be best, regardless of the printer I choose to select from the print dialogue. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 12.0 Thunderbird 12.0.1 LibreOffice 3.5.2.2 |
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On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:22:30 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote: Does anyone know of a way to select the font used for printing these files when the print button is pressed? It appears to my eyes the font used is Times-Roman, and I would like to change both the font and printing characteristics, such as size and style. Preferable, being able to do this after clicking the Print button would be best, regardless of the printer I choose to select from the print dialogue. Copy the text and paste it into your word processor. Change it as desired and print it from there. |
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On 6/3/12 12:41 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:22:30 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: Does anyone know of a way to select the font used for printing these files when the print button is pressed? It appears to my eyes the font used is Times-Roman, and I would like to change both the font and printing characteristics, such as size and style. Preferable, being able to do this after clicking the Print button would be best, regardless of the printer I choose to select from the print dialogue. Copy the text and paste it into your word processor. Change it as desired and print it from there. Hi, Ken, I'm trying to avoid that, as it's counterproductive to my ultimate goal. :-) For as simple a task as this is, you'd think someone would provide something as simple as a small utility to change the font during printing, given the fact the help files appear to be HTML when you look at the source. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 12.0 Thunderbird 12.0.1 LibreOffice 3.5.2.2 |
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On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:22:30 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:
Does anyone know of a way to select the font used for printing these files when the print button is pressed? We had this discussion about a month ago; maybe you missed it. If I recall correctly, no one came up with a way. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com Shikata ga nai... |
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Ken Springer wrote:
Does anyone know of a way to select the font used for printing these files when the print button is pressed? It appears to my eyes the font used is Times-Roman, and I would like to change both the font and printing characteristics, such as size and style. Preferable, being able to do this after clicking the Print button would be best, regardless of the printer I choose to select from the print dialogue. Nothing that easy, but you can right click on a page you want to print and select "View source." Then save the displayed file as an HTML file. It will open with whatever the default font for your browser is, or you can edit the file to specify fonts. Personally, I'd learn to live with Times New Roman. :-) -- Crash Life is short. Eat dessert first. |
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On 6/3/12 6:11 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:22:30 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: Does anyone know of a way to select the font used for printing these files when the print button is pressed? We had this discussion about a month ago; maybe you missed it. If I recall correctly, no one came up with a way. I asked this question in MS's social answers forum, but I don't remember seeing anything here. In the social answers forum, an engineer said it couldn't be done, which I don't believe. I think it's just something no one, possibly, has ever considered a user might want to change/modify. Something, somewhere, controls that printed output when it comes to the fonts. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 12.0 Thunderbird 12.0.1 LibreOffice 3.5.2.2 |
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On 6/3/12 7:01 PM, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
Ken Springer wrote: Does anyone know of a way to select the font used for printing these files when the print button is pressed? It appears to my eyes the font used is Times-Roman, and I would like to change both the font and printing characteristics, such as size and style. Preferable, being able to do this after clicking the Print button would be best, regardless of the printer I choose to select from the print dialogue. Nothing that easy, but you can right click on a page you want to print and select "View source." Then save the displayed file as an HTML file. It will open with whatever the default font for your browser is, or you can edit the file to specify fonts. Personally, I'd learn to live with Times New Roman. :-) I'm looking for a simple solution for folks who need the print larger or a font easier for them to read. I'm anticipating your solution, as well as Ken Blake's cut and paste solution, will be beyond this group of users. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 12.0 Thunderbird 12.0.1 LibreOffice 3.5.2.2 |
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Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/3/12 6:11 PM, Stan Brown wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:22:30 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: Does anyone know of a way to select the font used for printing these files when the print button is pressed? We had this discussion about a month ago; maybe you missed it. If I recall correctly, no one came up with a way. I asked this question in MS's social answers forum, but I don't remember seeing anything here. In the social answers forum, an engineer said it couldn't be done, which I don't believe. I think it's just something no one, possibly, has ever considered a user might want to change/modify. Something, somewhere, controls that printed output when it comes to the fonts. If the rendering of Windows Help And Support is web browser engine based, then it's possible there is font control. A web page encoded with no font information, might accept the web browser "default" font choice. Then, you'd have an opportunity to change it. If, on the other hand, all the "web-ish" content used to create the help pages, includes complicated schemes for controlling fonts, then you might have no choice in the matter. I'm not an expert on coding web pages, so I don't know if a "style sheet" can override user choices or not. Your starting point, would be discovering where all of that content is stored, and examining it. It is unlikely that the web pages are prepared in a "naive" style, such that the font controls in the browser configuration would allow it to be changed. They wouldn't want the "spacing" to be affected, such that their hard work is "ugly". Paul |
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On 6/3/12 7:49 PM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote: On 6/3/12 6:11 PM, Stan Brown wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:22:30 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: Does anyone know of a way to select the font used for printing these files when the print button is pressed? We had this discussion about a month ago; maybe you missed it. If I recall correctly, no one came up with a way. I asked this question in MS's social answers forum, but I don't remember seeing anything here. In the social answers forum, an engineer said it couldn't be done, which I don't believe. I think it's just something no one, possibly, has ever considered a user might want to change/modify. Something, somewhere, controls that printed output when it comes to the fonts. Rather than do the smart thing and go to bed......... (LOL) If the rendering of Windows Help And Support is web browser engine based, then it's possible there is font control. A web page encoded with no font information, might accept the web browser "default" font choice. Then, you'd have an opportunity to change it. I had read similar on a web site, but hadn't tested that theory. But on initial experimentation, it does seem the default serif font selected in IE9 on my Win7 'puter is what is used for printing. But, unlike Firefox and probably others, there is no option for the font size. I'd like to be able to control bolding also, but no more experimenting tonight! If, on the other hand, all the "web-ish" content used to create the help pages, includes complicated schemes for controlling fonts, then you might have no choice in the matter. I'm not an expert on coding web pages, so I don't know if a "style sheet" can override user choices or not. I think whether or not a style sheet can be overridden is based on the browser. In Firefox 12.0 there is a setting to allow the pages to choose their own fonts, or use the fonts chosen by the user. I'm not sure of other browsers. Your starting point, would be discovering where all of that content is stored, and examining it. It is unlikely that the web pages are prepared in a "naive" style, such that the font controls in the browser configuration would allow it to be changed. "Naive"???? Or "native". grin In HTML, there are controls for font sizing, line spacing, etc. I just have to dig out my books on HTML basics, and then hopefully find the settings/files on the hard drive. But first, I'll print some pages with different fonts I'm considering, and see what happens. That might give me an idea of what MS is doing in the background. Once I've figured that out, then all I have to do is record what I did to get the "look" I want, and all Help and Support pages will print with this look, or should. Even if I use a PDF printer driver. This should be a lot quicker than Ken Blake's cut, paste, and format solution. They wouldn't want the "spacing" to be affected, such that their hard work is "ugly". If MS cared about "ugly", they would not have chosen Times-New Roman as the default font in IE. I suspect that choice goes all the way back to whatever version of IE is installed with Windows for Workgroups. Times-Roman has always been around. I've yet to see any computer from any maker, or OS, that doesn't have Times-New Roman installed. Or, installed using a different name such as Dutch. Using fonts in typography on a computer is far, far more complicated than most users know or care about, until the result they get isn't what they wanted or expected. If you subscribe to the conventional wisdom of typography, Times-New Roman is just about the worst font to choose from if you are wanting to use a serif font. For fun, I viewed the source of one help file, then saved it out of Notepad as a .txt file. Then changed the extension to .htm and ran it through W3C's validator. 1 warning and 5 errors. grin I didn't delve into the results at all, but I'd suspect that MS has used some IE specific browser commands, which should fail a validation test. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 12.0 Thunderbird 12.0.1 LibreOffice 3.5.2.2 |
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On 04/06/2012 05:40, Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/3/12 6:11 PM, Stan Brown wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:22:30 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: Does anyone know of a way to select the font used for printing these files when the print button is pressed? If you subscribe to the conventional wisdom of typography, Times-New Roman is just about the worst font to choose from if you are wanting to use a serif font. For fun, I viewed the source of one help file, then saved it out of Notepad as a .txt file. Then changed the extension to .htm and ran it through W3C's validator. 1 warning and 5 errors. grin I didn't delve into the results at all, but I'd suspect that MS has used some IE specific browser commands, which should fail a validation test. From another thread in here, the font used by Windows 7 help is called "Segoi UI". Suggestions of how to change it in that thread included renaming another font, which, as it's a protected system file, isn't a trivial matter, and may well not survive past the first running of the system file checker. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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"Ken Springer" wrote in message ... On 6/3/12 6:11 PM, Stan Brown wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:22:30 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: Does anyone know of a way to select the font used for printing these files when the print button is pressed? We had this discussion about a month ago; maybe you missed it. If I recall correctly, no one came up with a way. I asked this question in MS's social answers forum, but I don't remember seeing anything here. You asked the same question here on 6th May 2012 headed 'Font used in the help files accessed via the Help and Support link'. |
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On 6/4/12 1:47 AM, Dave-UK wrote:
"Ken wrote in message ... On 6/3/12 6:11 PM, Stan Brown wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:22:30 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: Does anyone know of a way to select the font used for printing these files when the print button is pressed? We had this discussion about a month ago; maybe you missed it. If I recall correctly, no one came up with a way. I asked this question in MS's social answers forum, but I don't remember seeing anything here. You asked the same question here on 6th May 2012 headed 'Font used in the help files accessed via the Help and Support link'. Argh!!! Completely forgot. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 12.0 Thunderbird 12.0.1 LibreOffice 3.5.2.2 |
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On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:40:45 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote: [snip] If you subscribe to the conventional wisdom of typography, Times-New Roman is just about the worst font to choose from if you are wanting to use a serif font. Is that "m" or "rn" is my favourite TNRism. [snip] Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko |
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On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:40:45 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:
"Naive"???? Or "native" Both ultimately from the same Latin word, nativus, past participle of nasci, to be born. They both derive their meaning from the idea "the way one was born". But I wouldn't be surprised if you knew that already. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 07:22:05 +0100, John Williamson wrote:
From another thread in here, the font used by Windows 7 help is called "Segoi UI". But anyone trying to do a search should spell it "Segoe UI". -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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