A Windows XP help forum. PCbanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » PCbanter forum » Microsoft Windows XP » The Basics
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Changing Hard Drives



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old February 25th 05, 09:31 PM
george
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Changing Hard Drives

Keep the context:
snip
The actual drives and the interfaces are of course hardware,
but the logics behind splitting data between disks can be handled
in both software and hardware.
/snip

As an MVP you (at least should) very well know that 'interfaces' refers to
I/O controllers in the machine, be they plain and simple IDE, SCSI or
purpose built controllers.
'Logics' referring to some sort of intelligence that handles the data in the
proper manner, given the RAID implementaion used.

As an MVP you (at least should) also very well know that, given a couple of
regular (dumb) IDE controllers (without any purpose built raid logic
incorporated in them) and some plain disks, Windows systems (since the dawn
of NT) support fault tolerant RAID implementations.
And while were at it, it also supports, non-fault tolerant, but performance
oriented RAID implementations.
Windows natively can implement this through *SOFTWARE*, i.o.w. a purpose
built piece of coding called a driver.
The hardware has nothing special to do here, but it's job: accept data
presented by the driver and present data requested by the driver.

Now, if you are saying: "RAID is a hardware solution.", meaning I've never
used it any other way but fork out the extra cash for the hardware unit with
the purpose built chip that takes care of all that, then that's an entirely
different discussion.

purposeful snipping just helps to take things out of context to prove a
debatable point.

george



"Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message
...
The actual drives and the interfaces are of course hardware.. quote from
your post..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"André Gulliksen" wrote in message
...
Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote:
RAID is a hardware solution..


RAID (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks) is the organization of
multiple disks into one large logical disk, normally with the intent of
achieving larger volumes than is possible with single disks, higher total
transfer speed and/or security from drive failures. The actual drives and
the interfaces are of course hardware, but the logics behind splitting
data between disks can be handled in both software and hardware.





Ads
  #17  
Old February 25th 05, 10:51 PM
Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Changing Hard Drives



--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"george" wrote in message
...
Keep the context:
snip
The actual drives and the interfaces are of course hardware,
but the logics behind splitting data between disks can be handled
in both software and hardware.
/snip

As an MVP you (at least should) very well know that 'interfaces' refers to
I/O controllers in the machine, be they plain and simple IDE, SCSI or
purpose built controllers.
'Logics' referring to some sort of intelligence that handles the data in
the proper manner, given the RAID implementaion used.

As an MVP you (at least should) also very well know that, given a couple
of regular (dumb) IDE controllers (without any purpose built raid logic
incorporated in them) and some plain disks, Windows systems (since the
dawn of NT) support fault tolerant RAID implementations.
And while were at it, it also supports, non-fault tolerant, but
performance oriented RAID implementations.
Windows natively can implement this through *SOFTWARE*, i.o.w. a purpose
built piece of coding called a driver.
The hardware has nothing special to do here, but it's job: accept data
presented by the driver and present data requested by the driver.

Now, if you are saying: "RAID is a hardware solution.", meaning I've never
used it any other way but fork out the extra cash for the hardware unit
with the purpose built chip that takes care of all that, then that's an
entirely different discussion.

purposeful snipping just helps to take things out of context to prove a
debatable point.

george



"Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message
...
The actual drives and the interfaces are of course hardware.. quote from
your post..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"André Gulliksen" wrote in message
...
Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote:
RAID is a hardware solution..

RAID (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks) is the organization of
multiple disks into one large logical disk, normally with the intent of
achieving larger volumes than is possible with single disks, higher
total transfer speed and/or security from drive failures. The actual
drives and the interfaces are of course hardware, but the logics behind
splitting data between disks can be handled in both software and
hardware.







  #18  
Old February 26th 05, 02:02 AM
Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Changing Hard Drives

George

Hardware RAID cards are produced that will work with Win 9x as well as later
OS'es.. the hardware variety is undeniably more expensive, but is regarded
as generally better, although not in every instance maybe.. software RAID is
harder on the cpu.. but you know this already..

My opinion.. hardware raid is the way to go.. reliability has a price,
unfortunately..

That said, all this talk of RAID is not helping the OP any.. he is in enough
trouble already, having copied, by means unknown, the 'entire' contents of
his C drive to DVD in the hope that he can just copy them back..


--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"george" wrote in message
...
Keep the context:
snip
The actual drives and the interfaces are of course hardware,
but the logics behind splitting data between disks can be handled
in both software and hardware.
/snip

As an MVP you (at least should) very well know that 'interfaces' refers to
I/O controllers in the machine, be they plain and simple IDE, SCSI or
purpose built controllers.
'Logics' referring to some sort of intelligence that handles the data in
the proper manner, given the RAID implementaion used.

As an MVP you (at least should) also very well know that, given a couple
of regular (dumb) IDE controllers (without any purpose built raid logic
incorporated in them) and some plain disks, Windows systems (since the
dawn of NT) support fault tolerant RAID implementations.
And while were at it, it also supports, non-fault tolerant, but
performance oriented RAID implementations.
Windows natively can implement this through *SOFTWARE*, i.o.w. a purpose
built piece of coding called a driver.
The hardware has nothing special to do here, but it's job: accept data
presented by the driver and present data requested by the driver.

Now, if you are saying: "RAID is a hardware solution.", meaning I've never
used it any other way but fork out the extra cash for the hardware unit
with the purpose built chip that takes care of all that, then that's an
entirely different discussion.

purposeful snipping just helps to take things out of context to prove a
debatable point.

george



"Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message
...
The actual drives and the interfaces are of course hardware.. quote from
your post..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"André Gulliksen" wrote in message
...
Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote:
RAID is a hardware solution..

RAID (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks) is the organization of
multiple disks into one large logical disk, normally with the intent of
achieving larger volumes than is possible with single disks, higher
total transfer speed and/or security from drive failures. The actual
drives and the interfaces are of course hardware, but the logics behind
splitting data between disks can be handled in both software and
hardware.







  #19  
Old February 26th 05, 04:20 AM
Rush
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Changing Hard Drives

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:50:57 -0500, Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote:

RAID is a hardware solution...


I run several system with RAID configs.
Apparently RAID is not solely a hardware solution as you can do 'software
RAID' in Windows 2003 without the use of a hardware RAID controller.
This is news to me, learn something new everyday I guess.

Rush
http://www.bythedrop.com

  #20  
Old February 26th 05, 01:02 PM
george
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Changing Hard Drives

Mike,

Personally I agree with your take on this 100%:

Hardware RAID is the way to go, if you need the best in performance,
reliability, continuity etc. and can afford the price.
I was commenting on your unqualified statement (no disrespect intended):
RAID is a hardware solution, that was totally forgoing one of the nice
Windows disk storage features for the 'small wallet'. Apparently MS seems to
think that too, otherwise they would have dropped that support going from
NT4 to W2K when they decided to exchange their own support for it with the
Logical Disk Manager from Veritas, that AFAICT probably needed adapting to
that feature.

:-))

george



"Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message
...
George

Hardware RAID cards are produced that will work with Win 9x as well as
later OS'es.. the hardware variety is undeniably more expensive, but is
regarded as generally better, although not in every instance maybe..
software RAID is harder on the cpu.. but you know this already..

My opinion.. hardware raid is the way to go.. reliability has a price,
unfortunately..

That said, all this talk of RAID is not helping the OP any.. he is in
enough trouble already, having copied, by means unknown, the 'entire'
contents of his C drive to DVD in the hope that he can just copy them
back..


--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"george" wrote in message
...
Keep the context:
snip
The actual drives and the interfaces are of course hardware,
but the logics behind splitting data between disks can be handled
in both software and hardware.
/snip

As an MVP you (at least should) very well know that 'interfaces' refers
to I/O controllers in the machine, be they plain and simple IDE, SCSI or
purpose built controllers.
'Logics' referring to some sort of intelligence that handles the data in
the proper manner, given the RAID implementaion used.

As an MVP you (at least should) also very well know that, given a couple
of regular (dumb) IDE controllers (without any purpose built raid logic
incorporated in them) and some plain disks, Windows systems (since the
dawn of NT) support fault tolerant RAID implementations.
And while were at it, it also supports, non-fault tolerant, but
performance oriented RAID implementations.
Windows natively can implement this through *SOFTWARE*, i.o.w. a purpose
built piece of coding called a driver.
The hardware has nothing special to do here, but it's job: accept data
presented by the driver and present data requested by the driver.

Now, if you are saying: "RAID is a hardware solution.", meaning I've
never used it any other way but fork out the extra cash for the hardware
unit with the purpose built chip that takes care of all that, then that's
an entirely different discussion.

purposeful snipping just helps to take things out of context to prove a
debatable point.

george



"Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" wrote in message
...
The actual drives and the interfaces are of course hardware.. quote from
your post..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"André Gulliksen" wrote in message
...
Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote:
RAID is a hardware solution..

RAID (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks) is the organization of
multiple disks into one large logical disk, normally with the intent of
achieving larger volumes than is possible with single disks, higher
total transfer speed and/or security from drive failures. The actual
drives and the interfaces are of course hardware, but the logics behind
splitting data between disks can be handled in both software and
hardware.









 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
XP SP2 Crashes on reboot when installed on Maxtor D740X-6L Hard Drives Rob Windows Service Pack 2 1 November 27th 04 06:31 PM
Wierd probelm with big hard drive!! PLEASE HELP!!! zac_haryy General XP issues or comments 5 November 22nd 04 08:51 AM
Is there something wrong with my hard drives???? zac_haryy General XP issues or comments 6 November 18th 04 02:34 PM
Purchase External Hard Drive DebbieG Hardware and Windows XP 13 October 26th 04 02:17 AM
changing master hard drives JR Hardware and Windows XP 3 September 23rd 04 04:58 AM






All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:06 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 PCbanter.
The comments are property of their posters.