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Old March 13th 09, 01:51 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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Default What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro. SP2 with limited free disk spaces?

Bill

From here what you say is not true. However, that is not to say that it may
not be true with some newsreaders.


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"Bill in Co." wrote in message
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Terry R. wrote:
The date and time was Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:18:47 AM, and on a
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"Terry R." wrote in message
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The date and time was Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:01:34 PM, and on a
whim, Bill in Co. pounded out on the keyboard:

Why are there multiple separate posts on this with just some slight
variations in the subject line? One subject line for it is quite
enough.

There is only one thread I see, and the same subject for all.

There's at least two - this one, with this subject line
"What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro. SP2 with
limited free disk spaces?"

and one with the subject line of
"What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro. S"

Notice the difference?


Bill stated, "separate posts". As I said, there is only one "thread"
here. Anyone can change the subject line at any time.

But you are correct that within this thread, some changed the Subject.
But I don't have my headers set to show the full width, as usually a
Subject line isn't so long, so I didn't notice the change at the end.


If one changes the spacing in the subject line, as was done, it shows up
as a new thread in OE. IOW, it's not tiered or grouped underneath the
previous ones. Presumably the OP did this to create more responses.



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Old March 13th 09, 02:20 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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Default What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro.SP2 with limited free disk spaces? Ran JkDefrag v3.36 overnight...

The date and time was Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:40:22 PM, and on a
whim, Phillip Pi pounded out on the keyboard:

Strange. I don't know why it adds spaces. I use multiple computers and
SeaMonkey v1.1.14's newsreader to read and post. Sorry if it was my
fault (not sure how to fix that too).


On 3/12/2009 12:42 PM PT, Bill in Co. wrote:

And also try using just ONE post for the subject line, and not all these
variations in subject spacing, for all these multiple duplicated posts.


Hi Phillip,

Usually once you post, the Subject isn't modified, unless the thread has
gone Off Topic, in which an OT is placed at the beginning of the
Subject. You kept modifying the Subject line, which must cause issues
with MS clients. I guess it's payback for the MS delimiter issue. ;-)


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Old March 13th 09, 02:21 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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The date and time was Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:41:56 PM, and on a
whim, Phillip Pi pounded out on the keyboard:

He didn't create "new posts". He just modified the Subject when he
replied. Is it really that big of a deal?
Yeah, it is. Why on earth would someone modify the subject line that
way?

Usually because they aren't newsgroup savvy. He is kind of carrying on
the conversation using the Subject line, instead of adding to the post
itself.

Like I said, for good newsreaders it's no big deal as they are all still
in the same thread for me.


Strange. Sorry about that. I was trying to add brief information in the
newsgroup thread title.

I don't know why it adds spaces even though I didn't put that in. I use
multiple computers and SeaMonkey v1.1.14's newsreader to read and post.
Sorry if it was my fault (not sure how to fix that too).


It's not your fault, except for modifying the Subject line, which
usually isn't done unless the thread goes OT.

SM is a good newsreader.

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Old March 13th 09, 02:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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The date and time was Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:47:32 PM, and on a
whim, Gerry pounded out on the keyboard:

Phillip

Your newsreader does seem to add spaces in the subject. It has added two
spaces between disk and space, which were not there in the message you
relied to.


(everything below was removed because poster is using an MS client that
inserts a delimiter when top posting with a sig)

His newsreader? I doubt that's where the problem lies. Look further.
You'll see it happens on mine also on a few replies.


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Old March 13th 09, 02:28 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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The date and time was Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:44:30 PM, and on a
whim, Phillip Pi pounded out on the keyboard:

On 3/12/2009 1:35 PM PT, Terry R. wrote:

On a "good newsreader", new threads aren't started just by modifying the
Subject. Read my reply to you regarding Google Groupers and see what it
takes to create new threads.


I hope it wasn't SeaMonkey v1.1.14's newsreader fault. I do use mulitple
computers to read and post. I apologize if it was my side.


Again, it's not on your side. It's a broken MS client. Not new news...


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Old March 13th 09, 02:41 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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Terry

You're obsessed with the delimiter. What does this have to do with adding
spaces to the subject?


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"Terry R." wrote in message
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The date and time was Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:47:32 PM, and on a whim,
Gerry pounded out on the keyboard:

Phillip

Your newsreader does seem to add spaces in the subject. It has added two
spaces between disk and space, which were not there in the message you
relied to.


(everything below was removed because poster is using an MS client that
inserts a delimiter when top posting with a sig)

His newsreader? I doubt that's where the problem lies. Look further.
You'll see it happens on mine also on a few replies.


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Old March 13th 09, 02:56 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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Default What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro. SP2 with limited free disk spaces?

Well, I'm using OE. I guess one could lump OE into "some newsreaders".
:-)

Gerry wrote:
Bill

From here what you say is not true. However, that is not to say that it
may
not be true with some newsreaders.


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"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Terry R. wrote:
The date and time was Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:18:47 AM, and on a
whim, Gordon pounded out on the keyboard:

"Terry R." wrote in message
...
The date and time was Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:01:34 PM, and on a
whim, Bill in Co. pounded out on the keyboard:

Why are there multiple separate posts on this with just some slight
variations in the subject line? One subject line for it is quite
enough.

There is only one thread I see, and the same subject for all.

There's at least two - this one, with this subject line
"What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro. SP2 with
limited free disk spaces?"

and one with the subject line of
"What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro. S"

Notice the difference?


Bill stated, "separate posts". As I said, there is only one "thread"
here. Anyone can change the subject line at any time.

But you are correct that within this thread, some changed the Subject.
But I don't have my headers set to show the full width, as usually a
Subject line isn't so long, so I didn't notice the change at the end.


If one changes the spacing in the subject line, as was done, it shows up
as a new thread in OE. IOW, it's not tiered or grouped underneath the
previous ones. Presumably the OP did this to create more responses.



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Old March 13th 09, 04:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Terry R.[_2_]
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Default How do I resolve defragmentation problem with limited free diskspace?

The date and time was Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:41:28 PM, and on a
whim, Gerry pounded out on the keyboard:

Terry

You're obsessed with the delimiter. What does this have to do with adding
spaces to the subject?



No, I'm obsessed with the fact that the flaw in MS clients is blatantly
obvious and yet ignored by most users of OE/WM.

What other client INSERTS a delimiter when top posting using a sig
(hint: NONE), and then IGNORES ANY delimiter when replying? ONLY MS
clients. Learn how newsreaders work and what the delimiter was designed
to do. Then you'll understand the frustration. And maybe then you'll
take steps to fix your broken newsreader. I gave this to you once, I'll
do it again:
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/



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Old March 13th 09, 05:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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Default What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro. SP2 with limited free disk spaces? Ran JkDefrag v3.36 overnight...

Terry R. wrote:
The date and time was Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:40:22 PM, and on a
whim, Phillip Pi pounded out on the keyboard:

Strange. I don't know why it adds spaces. I use multiple computers and
SeaMonkey v1.1.14's newsreader to read and post. Sorry if it was my
fault (not sure how to fix that too).


On 3/12/2009 12:42 PM PT, Bill in Co. wrote:

And also try using just ONE post for the subject line, and not all these
variations in subject spacing, for all these multiple duplicated posts.


Hi Phillip,

Usually once you post, the Subject isn't modified, unless the thread has
gone Off Topic, in which an OT is placed at the beginning of the
Subject. You kept modifying the Subject line, which must cause issues
with MS clients.


Well, if one changes the subject line in any manner, then quite logically it
becomes a new thread. (Even if just the spacing is changed).


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Old March 13th 09, 06:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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"Bill in Co." wrote in message
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Well, if one changes the subject line in any manner, then quite
logically it becomes a new thread.


Just as beauty is in the eye of the beholder, one can argue that a
thread is a function of the newsreader being used to read it. In most
news clients, a thread can contain changing subject lines. Messy, yes.
And I don't normally advocate it. But there it is. :-)

Another way to define a thread is by its posts' headers. There is
certainly logic behind this definition.


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Old March 13th 09, 06:45 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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On 3/12/2009 6:21 PM PT, Terry R. typed:

It's not your fault, except for modifying the Subject line, which
usually isn't done unless the thread goes OT.

SM is a good newsreader.


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Old March 13th 09, 08:21 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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"Terry R." wrote in message
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Hi Bill,

He didn't create "new posts". He just modified the Subject when he
replied. Is it really that big of a deal?



Yes, because in a high volume group most experienced users only display
unread threads, and if there's a modification of the subject line, it can
easily look like a new thread...
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Old March 13th 09, 08:33 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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Gordon wrote:
"Terry R." wrote in message
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Hi Bill,

He didn't create "new posts". He just modified the Subject when he
replied. Is it really that big of a deal?



Yes, because in a high volume group most experienced users only display
unread threads, and if there's a modification of the subject line, it can
easily look like a new thread...
--


Exactly. Because in actuality, it is.


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Old March 13th 09, 10:17 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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Terry

At one time users of Outlook Express exceeded all the other newsreaders
combined by a factor of 4 / 5 to 1. Now the market share of Outlook
Express / Windows Mail may have declined but it still has the predominant
share of the market. Arguably programme providers should have made efforts
to resolve the type of problems you complain about. They have not. Quote Fix
can resolve some of the problems but it was not provided by the provider of
a newsreader. Why does the market leader have the responsibility to make
changes? Don't the providers of newsreaders with small minority market
shares have any responsibility in this matter?

Your statement that it is a flaw in Microsoft products is not sustainable.
The products were designed to work the way they do. It is just as logical to
argue that it is the other products are flawed.

For years there has been an international body pontificating on standards.
Whilst this is a logical way to resolve differences it's voice has never
been strong enough to overcome the commercial arguments opposing change.

Until two weeks ago I was using Quote Fix but on a Windows XP reinstall I
had more pressing and more important issues to resolve. It does not stop
complaints from the Usenet fanatical fringe but they do diminish. I shall
see if I can find time at the weekend to reinstall Quote Fix.

The issue of delimiters causes problems for some, not all, non-Microsoft
newsreaders. This problem with the subject field is seen in Outlook Express
so it is a reverse situation. It is not really a problem as it is hardly
noticeable. The subject in this thread was overlong and I have wondered
whether it exceeds the normal number of allocated characters?

Why do I need to learn the technical details of how newsreaders work in
areas where Outlook Express works for me? If it did not work for me I would
change to one that did. Millions feel like I do on this point. This is why
Microsoft has never felt there is a commercial reason to make the changes
you so desire. You have chosen a newsreader where you encounter these
problems. That is your choice. Please do not complain to me about the
consequences. The choice was yours. Your frustration is self created.

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"Terry R." wrote in message
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The date and time was Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:41:28 PM, and on a whim,
Gerry pounded out on the keyboard:

Terry

You're obsessed with the delimiter. What does this have to do with adding
spaces to the subject?



No, I'm obsessed with the fact that the flaw in MS clients is blatantly
obvious and yet ignored by most users of OE/WM.

What other client INSERTS a delimiter when top posting using a sig (hint:
NONE), and then IGNORES ANY delimiter when replying? ONLY MS clients.
Learn how newsreaders work and what the delimiter was designed to do.
Then you'll understand the frustration. And maybe then you'll take steps
to fix your broken newsreader. I gave this to you once, I'll do it again:
http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/



Terry R.
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Old March 13th 09, 10:52 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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Bill

I use Outlook Express as well. This insertion of spaces is an odd one but it
is not a problem.

My experience with Outlook Express is that threading works well. Problems
arise when the user fails to use a reply option when responding to an
existing post. Problems also arise when some users fail to reply to the
message they are replying to. Thus I reply to a post and someone intending
to reply to the same person replies to me instead. This can be very annoying
at times when the later post is saying things I totally disagree with. They
should be communicating to the other person not me! I suspect that with many
newsreaders the distinction does not make the consequences so obvious as in
Outlook Express. You can see the problem if you compare threading in Outlook
Express with that in a web based newsreader. Threading in the latter is not
obvious.You cannot easily see sub-threads.

Changes in the contents of the subject line have no affect on threading. You
are reading Online whereas I read Offline so we may be employing different
options. What View options have you selected?

For the record mine are Show All Messages and I toggle between Show Replies
to my Messages and Group Messages by Conversation.

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"Bill in Co." wrote in message
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Well, I'm using OE. I guess one could lump OE into "some newsreaders".
:-)

Gerry wrote:
Bill

From here what you say is not true. However, that is not to say that it
may
not be true with some newsreaders.


--


Gerry
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Terry R. wrote:
The date and time was Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:18:47 AM, and on a
whim, Gordon pounded out on the keyboard:

"Terry R." wrote in message
...
The date and time was Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:01:34 PM, and on a
whim, Bill in Co. pounded out on the keyboard:

Why are there multiple separate posts on this with just some slight
variations in the subject line? One subject line for it is quite
enough.

There is only one thread I see, and the same subject for all.

There's at least two - this one, with this subject line
"What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro. SP2 with
limited free disk spaces?"

and one with the subject line of
"What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro. S"

Notice the difference?


Bill stated, "separate posts". As I said, there is only one "thread"
here. Anyone can change the subject line at any time.

But you are correct that within this thread, some changed the Subject.
But I don't have my headers set to show the full width, as usually a
Subject line isn't so long, so I didn't notice the change at the end.

If one changes the spacing in the subject line, as was done, it shows up
as a new thread in OE. IOW, it's not tiered or grouped underneath the
previous ones. Presumably the OP did this to create more responses.





 




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