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Good news for Windows users!
On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 11:11:15 +0000, "David B." "David
wrote: Microsoft Replacing Edge With New Chromium-based Browser By Mayank Parmar December 4, 2018 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/new...based-browser/ I am using Vivaldi for the following reasons: 1. Built-in zoom allows per-site zoom at values other than 110%, 125%, 150%... 2. Supports minimum font size settings. 3. Effective translation is available using Google's Google Translate extension. 4. There are extensions for Naver LINE, Tideways and NordVPN. 5. Available for Linux and MS Windows. 6. Effective synchronization between supported platforms. At the time of writing there is no Android version of Vivaldi but I understand it is now a high priority for them. I use DuckDuckGo browser for Android for the present. If there is any other browser that can meet all 6 minimum requirements please let me know... |
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On 06/12/2018 11:54, Stephen Chadfield wrote:
On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 11:11:15 +0000, "David B." "David wrote: Microsoft Replacing Edge With New Chromium-based Browser By Mayank Parmar December 4, 2018 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/new...based-browser/ I am using Vivaldi for the following reasons: 1. Built-in zoom allows per-site zoom at values other than 110%, 125%, 150%... 2. Supports minimum font size settings. 3. Effective translation is available using Google's Google Translate extension. 4. There are extensions for Naver LINE, Tideways and NordVPN. 5. Available for Linux and MS Windows. 6. Effective synchronization between supported platforms. At the time of writing there is no Android version of Vivaldi but I understand it is now a high priority for them. I use DuckDuckGo browser for Android for the present. If there is any other browser that can meet all 6 minimum requirements please let me know... I've been reading about YOUR browser provider, he- https://vivaldi.com/company/#howWeDoIt I've not yet discovered how 'they' provide their services without charge to you, the user. Can you explain/point me in the right direction? I was delighted to find that they have a version for Apple computers. I've downloaded it but not yet installed. I'll await your response first! I'm always cautious with regard to products which are not available through the Apple App Store! -- Regards, David B. |
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Good news for Windows users!
On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 16:06:00 -0500, Paul wrote:
Did you try my "giant PDF file" test case ? A pretty extreme test case! |
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 12:10:32 +0000, "David B." "David
wrote: On 06/12/2018 11:54, Stephen Chadfield wrote: On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 11:11:15 +0000, "David B." "David wrote: Microsoft Replacing Edge With New Chromium-based Browser By Mayank Parmar December 4, 2018 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/new...based-browser/ I am using Vivaldi for the following reasons: 1. Built-in zoom allows per-site zoom at values other than 110%, 125%, 150%... 2. Supports minimum font size settings. 3. Effective translation is available using Google's Google Translate extension. 4. There are extensions for Naver LINE, Tideways and NordVPN. 5. Available for Linux and MS Windows. 6. Effective synchronization between supported platforms. At the time of writing there is no Android version of Vivaldi but I understand it is now a high priority for them. I use DuckDuckGo browser for Android for the present. If there is any other browser that can meet all 6 minimum requirements please let me know... I've been reading about YOUR browser provider, he- https://vivaldi.com/company/#howWeDoIt I've not yet discovered how 'they' provide their services without charge to you, the user. Can you explain/point me in the right direction? I was delighted to find that they have a version for Apple computers. I've downloaded it but not yet installed. I'll await your response first! I'm always cautious with regard to products which are not available through the Apple App Store! https://vivaldi.com/blog/the-evolution-of-browsing/ "The business model is actually the same as in general for other browsers. You make revenue from deals you do with the search engines, for example. You pick and choose search engines that you put in there. We just added Ecosia, as an example. So we have deals with these companies and that generates some revenue for us. Also, some of the bookmarks that we include generate revenues. It’s a fairly known way and it’s a great way because we not only focus on providing the best possible product for the end user. We then try to choose the partners that our users would like, but still give them the flexibility to do whatever they like. The revenue – at Opera we were talking about a revenue of $1 per user per year. So it’s not a lot of money, but as long as you get enough users…" |
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mechanic wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 16:06:00 -0500, Paul wrote: Did you try my "giant PDF file" test case ? A pretty extreme test case! Scrolling a PDF, shouldn't lock up other desktop input. The file is actually 36,300 pages. 263,964,580 bytes is the size of the copy I have. The amount of text inside is considerably smaller, even though the formatting of the PDF is relatively plain. https://download.microsoft.com/downl...er_2006_R2.pdf 1) Open the completely downloaded PDF file with Edge. 2) Do a find for a search word. The purpose of using the search word, is so Edge helper will parse most of the file. https://s14.postimg.cc/dei2unfcx/Edge_Opens_pdf.gif 3) Watch rpcss and LSAFreeMemory or so, railed when Edge needs garbage collection. It seems a strange function to be railed on. Now, you can't start Notepad with a double-click, until this railed action finishes. https://s14.postimg.cc/6ba7eypc1/Rpc_Ss_busy_loop.gif Found around Feb.2018 timeframe. Paul |
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On 12/5/2018 11:32 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
On 2018-12-05 9:32 a.m., Mathedman wrote: On 12/5/2018 5:11 AM, David B. wrote: Microsoft Replacing Edge With New Chromium-based Browser By Mayank Parmar December 4, 2018 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/new...based-browser/ I doubt that. MS and Google are not friends! Â*Â* I would rather suspect that G is stealing from MS !! Google = malware! The Chromium browser engine is open-source so you can use it without including Google services. Of course, any additions made to the code of the engine itself will become available to Google in the same way that they will be to Microsoft itself so there will likely be little difference between whatever Microsoft creates and Google Chrome itself. I doubt that. MS and Google are not friends! I would rather suspect that G is stealing from MS !! Google = malware! |
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"Stephen Chadfield" wrote
| 2. Supports minimum font size settings. | Don't they all have that? what I'd like is max font sizing, so that I can read pages with 20px text designed for phones. I get that in Firefox only by setting no style. | | If there is any other browser that can meet all 6 minimum requirements | please let me know... I don't know what most of your requirements even mean. Why do I need to zoom so much? Tideways? NordVPN? I don't know what those are. How about NoScript, DownloadHelper, SecretAgent, and 500+- settings options? Does Vivaldi have those? Is there another reason I should look at it? Oh, wait... One page says, "Take back your privacy". Sounds good. But.... Another page says, "When you install Vivaldi browser ("Vivaldi"), each installation profile is assigned a unique user ID that is stored on your computer. Vivaldi will send a message using HTTPS directly to our servers located in Iceland every 24 hours containing this ID, version, cpu architecture, screen resolution and time since last message." !!! I know. It's anonymous. Blah, blah, blah. It's spyware. Calling home with reports is spyware. And sure enough, after it started it tried to call Iceland without asking. But then it tried to call Google. (172.217.10.238) Then it tried to call another Google IP. (216.58.222.174). And yet another. (216.58.219.238) It's running for 5 minutes while I look at settings options and it's already tried to call Google 3 times! What was that about privacy? Yet the search suggestions I don't want are set to come from Bing. And even when I've turned off both auto-complete and search suggestions, there they are as soon as I touch the address bar! With such Bing infestation, why is it calling Google? Can this get any worse? Was it designed by Googlites hanging out on Google+? There seem to be no settings even for such simple things as script or tabs. I can't disable script? I can't not have tabs? I don't know because there seems to be no help file! (A website is not a help file.) But I sure can't find those settings. At one point there was a problem with the install and it showed me a message saying the install failed. "Please download Google Chrome again." Did the Vivaldians actually do anything other than wrap Google Chrome? And why can't it load in a normal window? Rule #1 of good software design is don't overrule user choice. But my only choice is a UI that looks like Mac, with a Metro-esque design theme. Flat. Boring. Uninformative. The one good point is that I can still have a menu. Except that the menu doeasn't work properly. If I click one menu and then move to the next, it doesn't pick up the hover and open that menu. I have to click each one separately. But do let me know if you happen to hear about a good max text sizing extension for firefox. |
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On 06/12/2018 13:18, Stephen Chadfield wrote:
On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 12:10:32 +0000, "David B." "David SNIP I've been reading about YOUR browser provider, he- https://vivaldi.com/company/#howWeDoIt I've not yet discovered how 'they' provide their services without charge to you, the user. Can you explain/point me in the right direction? I was delighted to find that they have a version for Apple computers. I've downloaded it but not yet installed. I'll await your response first! I'm always cautious with regard to products which are not available through the Apple App Store! https://vivaldi.com/blog/the-evolution-of-browsing/ "The business model is actually the same as in general for other browsers. You make revenue from deals you do with the search engines, for example. You pick and choose search engines that you put in there. We just added Ecosia, as an example. So we have deals with these companies and that generates some revenue for us. Also, some of the bookmarks that we include generate revenues. It’s a fairly known way and it’s a great way because we not only focus on providing the best possible product for the end user. We then try to choose the partners that our users would like, but still give them the flexibility to do whatever they like. The revenue – at Opera we were talking about a revenue of $1 per user per year. So it’s not a lot of money, but as long as you get enough users…" Thank you, Stephen. Much appreciated. :-) I'll 'give it a whirl' as they say! -- Regards, David B. |
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On 12/5/18 12:27 PM, David B. wrote:
On 05/12/2018 16:36, T wrote: On 12/5/18 3:11 AM, David B. wrote: Microsoft Replacing Edge With New Chromium-based Browser By Mayank Parmar December 4, 2018 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/new...based-browser/ Just use Firefox or Brave or both. I'm just the messenger, 'T'!Â* ;-) Sorry. Sometimes getting straight to the point can come off a bit rude. My customers who are IE fans do not like Edge at all, so I remove their icons and replace them with IE. I try to get them on Firefox. The biggest selling of Firefox is the "uBlock Orgin" plug in (an add blocker). |
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In article , wrote:
My customers who are IE fans do not like Edge at all, so I remove their icons and replace them with IE. I try to get them on Firefox. The biggest selling of Firefox is the "uBlock Orgin" plug in (an add blocker). that's not a very good selling point, since ublock origin is available for several browsers, *including* edge: https://www.microsoft.com/store/p/app/9nblggh444l4 |
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On 06/12/2018 18:04, T wrote:
On 12/5/18 12:27 PM, David B. wrote: On 05/12/2018 16:36, T wrote: On 12/5/18 3:11 AM, David B. wrote: Microsoft Replacing Edge With New Chromium-based Browser By Mayank Parmar December 4, 2018 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/new...based-browser/ Just use Firefox or Brave or both. I'm just the messenger, 'T'!Â* ;-) Sorry.Â* Sometimes getting straight to the point can come off a bit rude. My customers who are IE fans do not like Edge at all, so I remove their icons and replace them with IE.Â* I try to get them on Firefox. The biggest selling of Firefox is the "uBlock Orgin" plug in (an add blocker). As an Aussie might say - *no worries mate*! ;-) I use all popular browsers to keep myself current but as my main machine nowadays is a 27inc Apple iMac, I tend to use Safari far more than any other. -- Regards, David B. |
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On 12/6/18 10:20 AM, David B. wrote:
On 06/12/2018 18:04, T wrote: On 12/5/18 12:27 PM, David B. wrote: On 05/12/2018 16:36, T wrote: On 12/5/18 3:11 AM, David B. wrote: Microsoft Replacing Edge With New Chromium-based Browser By Mayank Parmar December 4, 2018 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/new...based-browser/ Just use Firefox or Brave or both. I'm just the messenger, 'T'!Â* ;-) Sorry.Â* Sometimes getting straight to the point can come off a bit rude. My customers who are IE fans do not like Edge at all, so I remove their icons and replace them with IE.Â* I try to get them on Firefox. The biggest selling of Firefox is the "uBlock Orgin" plug in (an add blocker). As an Aussie might say - *no worries mate*! ;-) I use all popular browsers to keep myself current but as my main machine Â*nowadays is a 27inc Apple iMac, I tend to use Safari far more than any other. Take a peak at https://brave.com It has build in ad blocking and is very fast. Its does not accommodate pop ups though. It is my "if Firefox doesn't work" go to browser. |
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On 06/12/2018 19:44, T wrote:
On 12/6/18 10:20 AM, David B. wrote: On 06/12/2018 18:04, T wrote: On 12/5/18 12:27 PM, David B. wrote: On 05/12/2018 16:36, T wrote: On 12/5/18 3:11 AM, David B. wrote: Microsoft Replacing Edge With New Chromium-based Browser By Mayank Parmar December 4, 2018 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/new...based-browser/ Just use Firefox or Brave or both. I'm just the messenger, 'T'!Â* ;-) Sorry.Â* Sometimes getting straight to the point can come off a bit rude. My customers who are IE fans do not like Edge at all, so I remove their icons and replace them with IE.Â* I try to get them on Firefox. The biggest selling of Firefox is the "uBlock Orgin" plug in (an add blocker). As an Aussie might say - *no worries mate*! ;-) I use all popular browsers to keep myself current but as my main machine Â*Â*nowadays is a 27inc Apple iMac, I tend to use Safari far more than any other. Take a *peak* at https://brave.com It has build in ad blocking and is very fast.Â* Its does not accommodate pop ups though.Â* It is my "if Firefox doesn't work" go to browser. Thank you, 'T' I'll climb no mountains but I *will* take a peek! ;-) -- Regards, David B. |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 05 Dec 2018 08:45:58 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote: On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 14:10:02 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote: On 2018-12-05, David B. "David wrote: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/new...based-browser/ Whether it is 'good news' or not depends on the level of Microsoft spyware built into the thing and how far they'll go to push it, and Bing, onto users. To me, whether it's good news or bad depends on what it turns out to be like. Of all the browsers I've tried, I think Edge is the worst, and Chrome is only one step above it. My understanding that the new browser will use Chrome's engine, but not be like Chrome itself. We'll see. If I were betting on it, I would bet that I'd like it better than Edge, but think it was nowhere near as good as FireFox. I like and use Firefox to, but recently Page Up and Page Down, and the Up and Down arrows have made the page jump all over the place. Clicking in the scroll bar including the ends of the scroll bar does the same iirc. I t hink this has happened on other pages but it almost constantly happens in the Forums at www.tripadvisor.com . Has anyone else noticed this? TripAdvisor or other places too. Do I have to report it, or will all the beta testers do so? |
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 10:30:16 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote: "Stephen Chadfield" wrote I don't know what most of your requirements even mean. Why do I need to zoom so much? Maybe you don't need such control over zoom levels. My eyesight and preferences dictate that I do. Tideways? NordVPN? I don't know what those are. I don't care. I wasn't proposing universal requirements. These are my personal requirements. How about NoScript, DownloadHelper, SecretAgent, and 500+- settings options? Does Vivaldi have those? Is there another reason I should look at it? See my comment above. Oh, wait... One page says, "Take back your privacy". Sounds good. But.... Another page says, "When you install Vivaldi browser ("Vivaldi"), each installation profile is assigned a unique user ID that is stored on your computer. Vivaldi will send a message using HTTPS directly to our servers located in Iceland every 24 hours containing this ID, version, cpu architecture, screen resolution and time since last message." And the page goes on to say: "We anonymize the IP address of Vivaldi users by removing the last octet of the IP address from your Vivaldi client then we store the resolved approximate location after using a local geoip lookup. The purpose of this collection is to determine the total number of active users and their geographical distribution." For me that is not unreasonable. I know. It's anonymous. Blah, blah, blah. It's spyware. Calling home with reports is spyware. And sure enough, after it started it tried to call Iceland without asking. But then it tried to call Google. (172.217.10.238) Then it tried to call another Google IP. (216.58.222.174). And yet another. (216.58.219.238) It's running for 5 minutes while I look at settings options and it's already tried to call Google 3 times! What was that about privacy? In the settings there are options that utilize Google services, such as fishing and malware protection. They can be turned off. Yet the search suggestions I don't want are set to come from Bing. And even when I've turned off both auto-complete and search suggestions, there they are as soon as I touch the address bar! With such Bing infestation, why is it calling Google? You are not doing it right. The only search suggestions I see are from from previously typed requests, history and bookmarks. These three sections are clearly separated and identified in the drop-down menu. I use DuckDuckGo as my search engine. There seem to be no settings even for such simple things as script or tabs. I can't disable script? I can't not have tabs? I don't know because there seems to be no help file! (A website is not a help file.) But I sure can't find those settings. There is a large settings section devoted to tabs. I don't understand how you could miss it. By clicking to the left of the URL in the address bar site settings can be accessed and JavaScript and other features can be disabled on a per-site basis. At one point there was a problem with the install and it showed me a message saying the install failed. "Please download Google Chrome again." Did the Vivaldians actually do anything other than wrap Google Chrome? This has never happened to me. Maybe there is something wrong with your computer. And why can't it load in a normal window? Rule #1 of good software design is don't overrule user choice. But my only choice is a UI that looks like Mac, with a Metro-esque design theme. Flat. Boring. Uninformative. Vivaldi has one of the most customisable browser interfaces I have seen. This includes native window decorations. |
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