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Old April 20th 17, 08:30 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Hi,

I use an old IBM Thinkpad T23 laptop with dual boot Win98se or WinXP.
It is on all day long until 4:30PM. Note: WinXP home edition SP2.

When not in use for some time, I will reboot into Win98se because the
"Power Management" will stop the hard disk drive spinning after a selected
period of time. Unfortunately, WinXP's "Power Management" does not
"work" for this purpose.

Does anyone know of a "fix"?

Thank You in advance, John

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Old April 20th 17, 01:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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wrote:

I use an old IBM Thinkpad T23 laptop with dual boot Win98se or WinXP.
It is on all day long until 4:30PM. Note: WinXP home edition SP2.

When not in use for some time, I will reboot into Win98se because the
"Power Management" will stop the hard disk drive spinning after a
selected period of time. Unfortunately, WinXP's "Power Management"
does not "work" for this purpose.


http://www.fantomdrives.com/helpdesk...id=7&answer=80
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Old April 20th 17, 06:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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wrote:
Hi,

I use an old IBM Thinkpad T23 laptop with dual boot Win98se or WinXP.
It is on all day long until 4:30PM. Note: WinXP home edition SP2.

When not in use for some time, I will reboot into Win98se because the
"Power Management" will stop the hard disk drive spinning after a selected
period of time. Unfortunately, WinXP's "Power Management" does not
"work" for this purpose.

Does anyone know of a "fix"?

Thank You in advance, John


There are a couple features on drives.

APM - a value of 0xFF is supposed to stop the so-called power saving crap
- the two recent drives i bought, ignore this.

WDIDLE3 - the timer value in the ATA standard, defines the time
until the drive parks the heads. There can be a short
delay, until the OS notices something funny about the
drive state, and it manages to wake it up. Heads should
reload in a second or so, but it seems to take longer than that.

SATA link power state - there are also power states for the links to the
drive. There were problems in the past with this,
requiring regedit, but the topic hasn't come up in
some time.

I have a couple of new drives here, that are ignoring
the APM power byte. Even at 0xFF, they still park the heads.
My drives seem to remain spinning, and I expect the heads
have been placed on the ramp. Checking SMART, the LCC #193
parameter is 1453 parks, in 2811 hours of power-on operation.
Which is not bad, compared to WDC Green drives, but it still
shouldn't be happening.

The time to park the heads on the ramp, can be modified. People
have been doing this on WDC Green drives, using WDIDLE3 utility,
for some time. This would be the open-source Linux equivalent.
This description suggests the change is persistent (ATA commands
come in two types, a change for the current session, or a change
saved for future sessions).

http://idle3-tools.sourceforge.net/

I paid good money for these two drives, which are "Enterprise"
class. And the suckage of Green drives, fills the air... This
is my last WDC drive for a while. The 2TB drive has a known
issue with the spindle motor, which makes a sound during spindown.
An FDC motor has spiral grooves for pumping the working fluid
up the spindle, and the noise I hear, sounds like the
spiral is grinding against the bearing stop. I will be taking
the new drive out of service, and relegating it to backup
storage/scratch disk status (the Junk Pile). Even the early
FDC motors, where only one bearing was "stiff", they didn't make
a noise like that. In the disk drive business, the motors can be
made by a third party, such as Nidec. And the disk makers have
an incoming inspection lab for verifying the motors are OK
(for new designs). Any "issues" that leak through, are "on purpose",
in the "screw the customer" sense.

Anyway, hope that gives you some ideas to work with.

Paul
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Old April 21st 17, 02:08 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Ben Myers[_9_]
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Hi,
I use an old IBM Thinkpad T23 laptop with dual boot Win98se or WinXP.
It is on all day long until 4:30PM. Note: WinXP home edition SP2.
When not in use for some time, I will reboot into Win98se because the
"Power Management" will stop the hard disk drive spinning after a selected
period of time. Unfortunately, WinXP's "Power Management" does not
"work" for this purpose.
Does anyone know of a "fix"?
Thank You in advance, John


http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/ds000834

Ben
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Old April 21st 17, 03:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Ben Myers wrote:
wrote in message ...
Hi,
I use an old IBM Thinkpad T23 laptop with dual boot Win98se or WinXP.
It is on all day long until 4:30PM. Note: WinXP home edition SP2.
When not in use for some time, I will reboot into Win98se because the
"Power Management" will stop the hard disk drive spinning after a selected
period of time. Unfortunately, WinXP's "Power Management" does not
"work" for this purpose.
Does anyone know of a "fix"?
Thank You in advance, John


http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/ds000834

Ben


The readme says something about it "reading the battery status" ?

Paul
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Old April 21st 17, 03:46 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Ben Myers[_9_]
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"Paul" wrote in message news
Ben Myers wrote:
wrote in message ...
Hi,
I use an old IBM Thinkpad T23 laptop with dual boot Win98se or WinXP.
It is on all day long until 4:30PM. Note: WinXP home edition SP2.
When not in use for some time, I will reboot into Win98se because the
"Power Management" will stop the hard disk drive spinning after a selected
period of time. Unfortunately, WinXP's "Power Management" does not
"work" for this purpose.
Does anyone know of a "fix"?
Thank You in advance, John


http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/ds000834

Ben


The readme says something about it "reading the battery status" ?

Paul


It seems to contain a Power Management driver, a battery information driver
and a registry patch. If it doesn't help, there are newer downloads at
https://thinkpads.com/support/Thinkp.../ddfm/T23.html

Ben
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Old April 21st 17, 05:22 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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VanguardLH wrote:

wrote:

I use an old IBM Thinkpad T23 laptop with dual boot Win98se or WinXP.
It is on all day long until 4:30PM. Note: WinXP home edition SP2.

When not in use for some time, I will reboot into Win98se because the
"Power Management" will stop the hard disk drive spinning after a
selected period of time. Unfortunately, WinXP's "Power Management"
does not "work" for this purpose.


http://www.fantomdrives.com/helpdesk...id=7&answer=80


Wow, I revisited that link and it no longer points to their FAQ article,
or they're redirecting all visits to their home page. I also found:

https://fantomdrives.freshdesk.com/s...-mode-at-idle-

Just in case they change their links again or force a redirect, see:

http://support.wdc.com/knowledgebase...spx?ID=3875#xp
(that shows the summary dialog for quick setup)

http://www.homeandlearn.co.uk/BC//im...werSchemes.jpg
(that shows the advanced settings for HDD spin down)
  #8  
Old April 22nd 17, 04:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
No_Name
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Default WinXP's Power Management Issue

Hi,
I use an old IBM Thinkpad T23 laptop with dual boot Win98se or WinXP.
It is on all day long until 4:30PM. Note: WinXP home edition SP2.
When not in use for some time, I will reboot into Win98se because the
"Power Management" will stop the hard disk drive spinning after a selected
period of time. Unfortunately, WinXP's "Power Management" does not
"work" for this purpose.
Does anyone know of a "fix"?
Thank You in advance, John

http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/ds000834

Ben


The readme says something about it "reading the battery status" ?

Paul


It seems to contain a Power Management driver, a battery information driver
and a registry patch. If it doesn't help, there are newer downloads at
https://thinkpads.com/support/Thinkp.../ddfm/T23.html

Ben


Hi Ben,

I downloaded (via above link) the Power Management for IBM PC Win2000/XP
and installed it. Clicking on the Power Management icon via IBM
Configuration, the screen looked exactly like WinXP's PM with the exact same
settings for "Plugged In". Unfortunately, far beyond 20 minutes
(setting), the hard disk (no activity) is still spinning.

Note: I forgot to mention that I use an AC Adapter with my Thinkpad all
the time.

Thanks for your effort, John
  #9  
Old April 23rd 17, 05:21 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Ben Myers[_9_]
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wrote in message ...
Hi,
I use an old IBM Thinkpad T23 laptop with dual boot Win98se or WinXP.
It is on all day long until 4:30PM. Note: WinXP home edition SP2.
When not in use for some time, I will reboot into Win98se because the
"Power Management" will stop the hard disk drive spinning after a selected
period of time. Unfortunately, WinXP's "Power Management" does not
"work" for this purpose.
Does anyone know of a "fix"?
Thank You in advance, John
http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/ds000834
Ben
The readme says something about it "reading the battery status" ?
Paul

It seems to contain a Power Management driver, a battery information driver
and a registry patch. If it doesn't help, there are newer downloads at
https://thinkpads.com/support/Thinkp.../ddfm/T23.html
Ben

Hi Ben,
I downloaded (via above link) the Power Management for IBM PC Win2000/XP
and installed it. Clicking on the Power Management icon via IBM
Configuration, the screen looked exactly like WinXP's PM with the exact same
settings for "Plugged In". Unfortunately, far beyond 20 minutes
(setting), the hard disk (no activity) is still spinning.
Note: I forgot to mention that I use an AC Adapter with my Thinkpad all
the time.
Thanks for your effort, John


Another possibility is that something in the background is accessing the hard drive
and interrupting the spin down. You might also check Device Manager for conflicts
and errors that might cause this kind of problem. Also, restart the computer and go
into the BIOS setup and see if there any applicable settings that might need to be changed.
Be sure to save any changes when exiting.

Ben
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Old April 25th 17, 01:19 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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SNIP
https://thinkpads.com/support/Thinkp.../ddfm/T23.html
Ben

Hi Ben,
I downloaded (via above link) the Power Management for IBM PC Win2000/XP
and installed it. Clicking on the Power Management icon via IBM
Configuration, the screen looked exactly like WinXP's PM with the exact same
settings for "Plugged In". Unfortunately, far beyond 20 minutes
(setting), the hard disk (no activity) is still spinning.
Note: I forgot to mention that I use an AC Adapter with my Thinkpad all
the time.
Thanks for your effort, John


Another possibility is that something in the background is accessing the hard drive
and interrupting the spin down. You might also check Device Manager for conflicts
and errors that might cause this kind of problem. Also, restart the computer and go
into the BIOS setup and see if there any applicable settings that might need to be changed.
Be sure to save any changes when exiting.

Ben


Hi Ben,

I forgot to mention that I had already tried the BIOS settings, which I
set for the hard drive to stop after 20 minutes if idle. That didn't
work.

Rebooting into Win98 or real Dos mode (Windows not launched) is the only
solution I have found so far.

With WinXP launched (no AV aps) and nothing in MSCONFIG Startups,
and nothing running in the background except system related (Task Manager
list), the HD never stops spinning.

John

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Old April 25th 17, 05:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Ben Myers[_9_]
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wrote in message news
SNIP
https://thinkpads.com/support/Thinkp.../ddfm/T23.html
Ben
Hi Ben,
I downloaded (via above link) the Power Management for IBM PC Win2000/XP
and installed it. Clicking on the Power Management icon via IBM
Configuration, the screen looked exactly like WinXP's PM with the exact same
settings for "Plugged In". Unfortunately, far beyond 20 minutes
(setting), the hard disk (no activity) is still spinning.
Note: I forgot to mention that I use an AC Adapter with my Thinkpad all
the time.
Thanks for your effort, John


Another possibility is that something in the background is accessing the hard drive
and interrupting the spin down. You might also check Device Manager for conflicts
and errors that might cause this kind of problem. Also, restart the computer and go
into the BIOS setup and see if there any applicable settings that might need to be changed.
Be sure to save any changes when exiting.

Ben


Hi Ben,
I forgot to mention that I had already tried the BIOS settings, which I
set for the hard drive to stop after 20 minutes if idle. That didn't
work.
Rebooting into Win98 or real Dos mode (Windows not launched) is the only
solution I have found so far.

With WinXP launched (no AV aps) and nothing in MSCONFIG Startups,
and nothing running in the background except system related (Task Manager
list), the HD never stops spinning.
John


You might try disabling hard drive control in the BIOS. It could be that Windows
and the BIOS are fighting each for control of the drive.

Ben
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Old April 30th 17, 10:53 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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SNIP
Hi Ben,
I forgot to mention that I had already tried the BIOS settings, which I
set for the hard drive to stop after 20 minutes if idle. That didn't
work.
Rebooting into Win98 or real Dos mode (Windows not launched) is the only
solution I have found so far.

With WinXP launched (no AV aps) and nothing in MSCONFIG Startups,
and nothing running in the background except system related (Task Manager
list), the HD never stops spinning.
John


You might try disabling hard drive control in the BIOS. It could be that Windows
and the BIOS are fighting each for control of the drive.

Ben


Hi Ben,

I appreciate your suggestions, but now I would LOVE to hear from someone
who says something like, "I HAD THE SAME ISSUE, BUT I FIXED.......".

Thanks in advance, John


 




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