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  #1  
Old December 6th 03, 12:37 PM
PCyr
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Default MS says pirating is illegal, but are their PA rules illegal?

Basically, I've heard both sides of the story, but I want to confirm if the following is true:
MS's product activation rules are illegal because:

The law says:
"Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 117. - Limitations on exclusive rights: Computer programs

(a) Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy. - Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided:

(1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner, or

(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession of the computer program should cease to be rightful.

MS Says:

The following is a translation of Section 117 (a) from the legalese using MS's own definitions:

Title 17 Chapter 1 Section 117. - Limitations on the exclusive rights of Copyright Owners: Computer programs

(a) Making of Additional Installation by the Owner of a Copy of Software. - It is not infringement for the owner of a copy of software to make another installation provided:

(1) that such a new installation is made as a necessary step in making use of the software together with a previously unknown computer and that it is used in no other manner, or

"(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession of the computer program should cease to be rightful"


So if this is true, how is MS *legally* allowed to enforce the EULA, and Product Activation?
And if it is, could MS be sued if they won't let you activate?
As well, provided this is true, how come the government hasn't stepped in to say, "Sorry MS, you can't prevent users from installing an additional copy for home and private use"?

I'm not taking sides, but I will admit, this is pretty convincing to me.

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  #2  
Old December 6th 03, 12:37 PM
Larc
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Default MS says pirating is illegal, but are their PA rules illegal?

On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:08:44 -0400, PCyr pondered exceedingly, then took quill in
hand and carefully composed...

| Basically, I've heard both sides of the story, but I want to confirm if the following is true:
| MS's product activation rules are illegal because:
|
| The law says:
| "Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 117. - Limitations on exclusive rights: Computer programs
|
| (a) Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy. - Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that
computer program provided:
|
| (1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner, or
|
| (2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession of the computer program should cease to be rightful.
|
| MS Says:
|
| The following is a translation of Section 117 (a) from the legalese using MS's own definitions:
|
| Title 17 Chapter 1 Section 117. - Limitations on the exclusive rights of Copyright Owners: Computer programs
|
| (a) Making of Additional Installation by the Owner of a Copy of Software. - It is not infringement for the owner of a copy of software to make another installation provided:
|
| (1) that such a new installation is made as a necessary step in making use of the software together with a previously unknown computer and that it is used in no other manner, or
|
| "(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession of the computer program should cease to be rightful"
|
|
| So if this is true, how is MS *legally* allowed to enforce the EULA, and Product Activation?

All this says is that it's legal for you to make a copy of your XP install CD.
It doesn't say anything about installing XP on a second computer. Microsoft has
never said it's not OK to copy the CD. In fact, the install copy of XP I would
use if I needed to re-install is one I burned with SP1 slipstreamed in. The
original CD is stored for safekeeping.

Larc



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  #3  
Old December 6th 03, 12:37 PM
D.Currie
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Default MS says pirating is illegal, but are their PA rules illegal?

What you've quoted discusses making a copy of the software, which has
nothing to do with WPA. You make a copy of the CD, put it in your safe, and
that's that. Activation doesn't come into play when you're making a copy of
the disk.

Or is there some other point here that I've missed?


"PCyr" wrote in message
...
Basically, I've heard both sides of the story, but I want to confirm if the
following is true:
MS's product activation rules are illegal because:

The law says:
"Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 117. - Limitations on exclusive
rights: Computer programs

(a) Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy. -
Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement for
the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of
another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided:

(1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in
the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and
that it is used in no other manner, or

(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and that
all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession of
the computer program should cease to be rightful.

MS Says:

The following is a translation of Section 117 (a) from the legalese using
MS's own definitions:

Title 17 Chapter 1 Section 117. - Limitations on the exclusive rights of
Copyright Owners: Computer programs

(a) Making of Additional Installation by the Owner of a Copy of Software. -
It is not infringement for the owner of a copy of software to make another
installation provided:

(1) that such a new installation is made as a necessary step in making use
of the software together with a previously unknown computer and that it is
used in no other manner, or

"(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and that
all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession of
the computer program should cease to be rightful"


So if this is true, how is MS *legally* allowed to enforce the EULA, and
Product Activation?
And if it is, could MS be sued if they won't let you activate?
As well, provided this is true, how come the government hasn't stepped in to
say, "Sorry MS, you can't prevent users from installing an additional copy
for home and private use"?

I'm not taking sides, but I will admit, this is pretty convincing to me.

--
Member of "Newsgroups are for everyone" (Perdita X. Dream is a
self-righteous, ruthless net-cop too!)

Email address is fake to prevent SPAM.
Real email address is pcyr2000 AT hotmail DOT com
Change the obvious to the obvious.
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  #4  
Old December 6th 03, 12:37 PM
Robert Moir
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Default MS says pirating is illegal, but are their PA rules illegal?

This is talking about making copies of the software installation media, not
day to day running of the software.


"PCyr" wrote in message
...
Basically, I've heard both sides of the story, but I want to confirm if the
following is true:
MS's product activation rules are illegal because:

The law says:
"Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 117. - Limitations on exclusive
rights: Computer programs

(a) Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy. -
Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement for
the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of
another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided:

(1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in
the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and
that it is used in no other manner, or

(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and that
all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession of
the computer program should cease to be rightful.

MS Says:

The following is a translation of Section 117 (a) from the legalese using
MS's own definitions:

Title 17 Chapter 1 Section 117. - Limitations on the exclusive rights of
Copyright Owners: Computer programs

(a) Making of Additional Installation by the Owner of a Copy of Software. -
It is not infringement for the owner of a copy of software to make another
installation provided:

(1) that such a new installation is made as a necessary step in making use
of the software together with a previously unknown computer and that it is
used in no other manner, or

"(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and that
all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession of
the computer program should cease to be rightful"


So if this is true, how is MS *legally* allowed to enforce the EULA, and
Product Activation?
And if it is, could MS be sued if they won't let you activate?
As well, provided this is true, how come the government hasn't stepped in to
say, "Sorry MS, you can't prevent users from installing an additional copy
for home and private use"?

I'm not taking sides, but I will admit, this is pretty convincing to me.

--
Member of "Newsgroups are for everyone" (Perdita X. Dream is a
self-righteous, ruthless net-cop too!)

Email address is fake to prevent SPAM.
Real email address is pcyr2000 AT hotmail DOT com
Change the obvious to the obvious.
------------------


  #5  
Old December 6th 03, 12:37 PM
rifleman
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Default MS says pirating is illegal, but are their PA rules illegal?

In article ,
says...
Basically, I've heard both sides of the story, but I want to confirm if the following is true:
MS's product activation rules are illegal because:

The law says:
"Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 117. - Limitations on exclusive rights: Computer programs

(a) Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy. - Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that c

omputer program provided:

(1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner, or

(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession of the computer program should cease to be rightful.

MS Says:

The following is a translation of Section 117 (a) from the legalese using MS's own definitions:

Title 17 Chapter 1 Section 117. - Limitations on the exclusive rights of Copyright Owners: Computer programs

(a) Making of Additional Installation by the Owner of a Copy of Software. - It is not infringement for the owner of a copy of software to make another installation provided:

(1) that such a new installation is made as a necessary step in making use of the software together with a previously unknown computer and that it is used in no other manner, or

"(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession of the computer program should cease to be rightful"


So if this is true, how is MS *legally* allowed to enforce the EULA, and Product Activation?
And if it is, could MS be sued if they won't let you activate?
As well, provided this is true, how come the government hasn't stepped in to say, "Sorry MS, you can't prevent users from installing an additional copy for home and private use"?

I'm not taking sides, but I will admit, this is pretty convincing to me.


The confusion exists because you, the licensee, are NOT the "Owner" of
the software. Microsoft is. You are only given a "license to use".
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  #6  
Old December 6th 03, 12:37 PM
Harry Ohrn
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Default MS says pirating is illegal, but are their PA rules illegal?

Microsoft hires a bevy of highly paid and highly skilled lawyers. You could
however take the EULA into a high price corporate law firm and see what they
have to say about it if you think you can make a case. Just remember to
bring your platinum card 8^)

--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell\User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


"PCyr" wrote in message
...
Basically, I've heard both sides of the story, but I want to confirm if the
following is true:
MS's product activation rules are illegal because:

The law says:
"Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 117. - Limitations on exclusive
rights: Computer programs

(a) Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy. -
Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement for
the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of
another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided:

(1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in
the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and
that it is used in no other manner, or

(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and that
all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession of
the computer program should cease to be rightful.

MS Says:

The following is a translation of Section 117 (a) from the legalese using
MS's own definitions:

Title 17 Chapter 1 Section 117. - Limitations on the exclusive rights of
Copyright Owners: Computer programs

(a) Making of Additional Installation by the Owner of a Copy of Software. -
It is not infringement for the owner of a copy of software to make another
installation provided:

(1) that such a new installation is made as a necessary step in making use
of the software together with a previously unknown computer and that it is
used in no other manner, or

"(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and that
all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession of
the computer program should cease to be rightful"


So if this is true, how is MS *legally* allowed to enforce the EULA, and
Product Activation?
And if it is, could MS be sued if they won't let you activate?
As well, provided this is true, how come the government hasn't stepped in to
say, "Sorry MS, you can't prevent users from installing an additional copy
for home and private use"?

I'm not taking sides, but I will admit, this is pretty convincing to me.

--
Member of "Newsgroups are for everyone" (Perdita X. Dream is a
self-righteous, ruthless net-cop too!)

Email address is fake to prevent SPAM.
Real email address is pcyr2000 AT hotmail DOT com
Change the obvious to the obvious.
------------------


  #7  
Old December 6th 03, 12:37 PM
PCyr
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Default MS says pirating is illegal, but are their PA rules illegal?

Sorry, I was talking about installing an additional copy for private home
use. Since the law says (1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created
as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in
conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner.

--
Member of "Newsgroups are for everyone" (Perdita X. Dream is a
self-righteous, ruthless net-cop too!)

Email address is fake to prevent SPAM.
Real email address is pcyr2000 AT hotmail DOT com
Change the obvious to the obvious.
------------------
"Larc" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:08:44 -0400, PCyr pondered exceedingly, then took

quill in
hand and carefully composed...

| Basically, I've heard both sides of the story, but I want to confirm if

the following is true:
| MS's product activation rules are illegal because:
|
| The law says:
| "Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 117. - Limitations on exclusive

rights: Computer programs
|
| (a) Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy. -

Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement for
the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of
another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided:
|
| (1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step

in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and
that it is used in no other manner, or
|
| (2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and

that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued
possession of the computer program should cease to be rightful.
|
| MS Says:
|
| The following is a translation of Section 117 (a) from the legalese

using MS's own definitions:
|
| Title 17 Chapter 1 Section 117. - Limitations on the exclusive rights

of Copyright Owners: Computer programs
|
| (a) Making of Additional Installation by the Owner of a Copy of

Software. - It is not infringement for the owner of a copy of software to
make another installation provided:
|
| (1) that such a new installation is made as a necessary step in making

use of the software together with a previously unknown computer and that it
is used in no other manner, or
|
| "(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and

that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued
possession of the computer program should cease to be rightful"
|
|
| So if this is true, how is MS *legally* allowed to enforce the EULA,

and Product Activation?

All this says is that it's legal for you to make a copy of your XP install

CD.
It doesn't say anything about installing XP on a second computer.

Microsoft has
never said it's not OK to copy the CD. In fact, the install copy of XP I

would
use if I needed to re-install is one I burned with SP1 slipstreamed in.

The
original CD is stored for safekeeping.

Larc



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  #8  
Old December 6th 03, 12:37 PM
PCyr
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Default MS says pirating is illegal, but are their PA rules illegal?

Sorry, I was talking about installing an additional copy for private home
use. Since the law says (1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created
as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in
conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner.

--
Member of "Newsgroups are for everyone" (Perdita X. Dream is a
self-righteous, ruthless net-cop too!)

Email address is fake to prevent SPAM.
Real email address is pcyr2000 AT hotmail DOT com
Change the obvious to the obvious.
------------------
"Robert Moir" wrote in message
...
This is talking about making copies of the software installation media,

not
day to day running of the software.


"PCyr" wrote in message
...
Basically, I've heard both sides of the story, but I want to confirm if

the
following is true:
MS's product activation rules are illegal because:

The law says:
"Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 117. - Limitations on exclusive
rights: Computer programs

(a) Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy. -
Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement

for
the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making

of
another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided:

(1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in
the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and
that it is used in no other manner, or

(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and

that
all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession

of
the computer program should cease to be rightful.

MS Says:

The following is a translation of Section 117 (a) from the legalese using
MS's own definitions:

Title 17 Chapter 1 Section 117. - Limitations on the exclusive rights of
Copyright Owners: Computer programs

(a) Making of Additional Installation by the Owner of a Copy of

Software. -
It is not infringement for the owner of a copy of software to make another
installation provided:

(1) that such a new installation is made as a necessary step in making use
of the software together with a previously unknown computer and that it is
used in no other manner, or

"(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and

that
all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession

of
the computer program should cease to be rightful"


So if this is true, how is MS *legally* allowed to enforce the EULA, and
Product Activation?
And if it is, could MS be sued if they won't let you activate?
As well, provided this is true, how come the government hasn't stepped in

to
say, "Sorry MS, you can't prevent users from installing an additional copy
for home and private use"?

I'm not taking sides, but I will admit, this is pretty convincing to me.

--
Member of "Newsgroups are for everyone" (Perdita X. Dream is a
self-righteous, ruthless net-cop too!)

Email address is fake to prevent SPAM.
Real email address is pcyr2000 AT hotmail DOT com
Change the obvious to the obvious.
------------------




  #9  
Old December 6th 03, 12:37 PM
PCyr
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Default MS says pirating is illegal, but are their PA rules illegal?

Sorry, I was talking about installing an additional copy for private home
use. Since the law says (1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created
as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in
conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner.

--
Member of "Newsgroups are for everyone" (Perdita X. Dream is a
self-righteous, ruthless net-cop too!)

Email address is fake to prevent SPAM.
Real email address is pcyr2000 AT hotmail DOT com
Change the obvious to the obvious.
------------------
"D.Currie" wrote in message
...
What you've quoted discusses making a copy of the software, which has
nothing to do with WPA. You make a copy of the CD, put it in your safe,

and
that's that. Activation doesn't come into play when you're making a copy

of
the disk.

Or is there some other point here that I've missed?


"PCyr" wrote in message
...
Basically, I've heard both sides of the story, but I want to confirm if

the
following is true:
MS's product activation rules are illegal because:

The law says:
"Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 117. - Limitations on exclusive
rights: Computer programs

(a) Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy. -
Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement

for
the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making

of
another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided:

(1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in
the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and
that it is used in no other manner, or

(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and

that
all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession

of
the computer program should cease to be rightful.

MS Says:

The following is a translation of Section 117 (a) from the legalese using
MS's own definitions:

Title 17 Chapter 1 Section 117. - Limitations on the exclusive rights of
Copyright Owners: Computer programs

(a) Making of Additional Installation by the Owner of a Copy of

Software. -
It is not infringement for the owner of a copy of software to make another
installation provided:

(1) that such a new installation is made as a necessary step in making use
of the software together with a previously unknown computer and that it is
used in no other manner, or

"(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only and

that
all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued possession

of
the computer program should cease to be rightful"


So if this is true, how is MS *legally* allowed to enforce the EULA, and
Product Activation?
And if it is, could MS be sued if they won't let you activate?
As well, provided this is true, how come the government hasn't stepped in

to
say, "Sorry MS, you can't prevent users from installing an additional copy
for home and private use"?

I'm not taking sides, but I will admit, this is pretty convincing to me.

--
Member of "Newsgroups are for everyone" (Perdita X. Dream is a
self-righteous, ruthless net-cop too!)

Email address is fake to prevent SPAM.
Real email address is pcyr2000 AT hotmail DOT com
Change the obvious to the obvious.
------------------




  #10  
Old December 6th 03, 12:37 PM
Mike Brannigan [MSFT]
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Default MS says pirating is illegal, but are their PA rules illegal?

"PCyr" wrote in message
...
Sorry, I was talking about installing an additional copy for private home
use. Since the law says (1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created
as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in
conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner.


PCyr,

If you are in any doubt about the legality and enforcement of the EULA or
the use of any terms there in. I suggest rather then us all going around in
circles you do one of 2 things.

1. Take professional qualified legal advice
2. Contact Microsoft Legal and Corporate Affairs at the Head Office address
and ask your questions of them.

Advice sort in a peer to peer technical support forum will not be of sound
legal standing unless given by either a properly qualified individual or a
member of Microsoft LCA.

Also it was not necessary to cross post to so many unrelated forums.
--
Regards,

Mike
--
Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights

Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
newsgroups

"PCyr" wrote in message
...
Sorry, I was talking about installing an additional copy for private home
use. Since the law says (1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created
as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in
conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner.

--
Member of "Newsgroups are for everyone" (Perdita X. Dream is a
self-righteous, ruthless net-cop too!)

Email address is fake to prevent SPAM.
Real email address is pcyr2000 AT hotmail DOT com
Change the obvious to the obvious.
------------------
"Larc" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:08:44 -0400, PCyr pondered exceedingly, then took

quill in
hand and carefully composed...

| Basically, I've heard both sides of the story, but I want to confirm

if
the following is true:
| MS's product activation rules are illegal because:
|
| The law says:
| "Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 117. - Limitations on exclusive

rights: Computer programs
|
| (a) Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy. -

Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement

for
the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making

of
another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided:
|
| (1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential

step
in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine

and
that it is used in no other manner, or
|
| (2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only

and
that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued
possession of the computer program should cease to be rightful.
|
| MS Says:
|
| The following is a translation of Section 117 (a) from the legalese

using MS's own definitions:
|
| Title 17 Chapter 1 Section 117. - Limitations on the exclusive rights

of Copyright Owners: Computer programs
|
| (a) Making of Additional Installation by the Owner of a Copy of

Software. - It is not infringement for the owner of a copy of software to
make another installation provided:
|
| (1) that such a new installation is made as a necessary step in

making
use of the software together with a previously unknown computer and that

it
is used in no other manner, or
|
| "(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival purposes only

and
that all archival copies are destroyed in the event that continued
possession of the computer program should cease to be rightful"
|
|
| So if this is true, how is MS *legally* allowed to enforce the EULA,

and Product Activation?

All this says is that it's legal for you to make a copy of your XP

install
CD.
It doesn't say anything about installing XP on a second computer.

Microsoft has
never said it's not OK to copy the CD. In fact, the install copy of XP

I
would
use if I needed to re-install is one I burned with SP1 slipstreamed in.

The
original CD is stored for safekeeping.

Larc



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  #11  
Old December 6th 03, 12:37 PM
Robert Moir
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Default MS says pirating is illegal, but are their PA rules illegal?

PCyr wrote:
Sorry, I was talking about installing an additional copy for private
home use. Since the law says (1) that such a new copy or adaptation
is created as an essential step in the utilization of the computer
program in conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other
manner.


I'm well aware of that. None the less, my comments still stand as my
opinion. If you want to discuss the matter seriously you should certainly
take up Mike's advice too. I'm not a lawyer in my country let alone yours.


  #12  
Old December 6th 03, 12:37 PM
george
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Default MS says pirating is illegal, but are their PA rules illegal?

"Larc" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:08:44 -0400, PCyr pondered exceedingly, then took

quill in
hand and carefully composed...

| Basically, I've heard both sides of the story, but I want to confirm if

the following is true:
| MS's product activation rules are illegal because:
|
| The law says:
| "Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 117. - Limitations on exclusive

rights: Computer programs
SNIP
All this says is that it's legal for you to make a copy of your XP install

CD.
It doesn't say anything about installing XP on a second computer.

Microsoft has
never said it's not OK to copy the CD. In fact, the install copy of XP I

would
use if I needed to re-install is one I burned with SP1 slipstreamed in.

The
original CD is stored for safekeeping.

Larc

§§§ - Please raise temperature of mail to reply by e-mail - §§§


"I burned with SP1 slipstreamed in"
Do you have a link telling how to do this??

thanks
George Girard, Programmer/FiddlerArounder,
Your Current Internet Information can be found he
http://www.canufly.net/~georgegg/You...et.Information
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  #13  
Old December 6th 03, 12:37 PM
Larc
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 21:57:47 GMT, george pondered exceedingly, then took quill
in hand and carefully composed...

| "I burned with SP1 slipstreamed in"
| Do you have a link telling how to do this??

Sure. Go to this page and look under Guide in the left column. You'll find
links to slipstreaming SP1 into XP and burning a bootable CD using EZ CD Creator
or Nero.

http://www.etplanet.com/

Larc



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Old December 6th 03, 12:37 PM
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Default MS says pirating is illegal, but are their PA rules illegal?

"PCyr" wrote in
:

Sorry, I was talking about installing an additional copy for private
home use. Since the law says (1) that such a new copy or adaptation
is created as an essential step in the utilization of the computer
program in conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other
manner.


The key word is "Essential" It is not essential in any way to install XP on
more then one machine in order to use it on one machine.

David
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Old December 6th 03, 12:37 PM
george
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Default MS says pirating is illegal, but are their PA rules illegal?

"Larc" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 21:57:47 GMT, george pondered exceedingly, then took

quill
in hand and carefully composed...

| "I burned with SP1 slipstreamed in"
| Do you have a link telling how to do this??

Sure. Go to this page and look under Guide in the left column. You'll

find
links to slipstreaming SP1 into XP and burning a bootable CD using EZ CD

Creator
or Nero.

http://www.etplanet.com/

Larc


Thanks, burning now
George


 




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