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On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 14:28:20 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote: In article , says... Each to his own. Mice are very cheap these days. I wouldn't dream of spending 20 minutes, the cost of new microswitches, soldering iron, and solder to save $20 or so for a new mouse. I am with you Ken. Some things are just not worth the time and effort. I can see that if someone really likes a particular mouse it is worth it to them to tak half a day repairing a $ 20 item. Half a day? Not me. I'd spend the $20 and just buy a new one. |
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Patrick wrote:
On 13/10/2019 08:55, Patrick wrote: On 13/10/2019 01:57, MouseUser wrote: My favorite mouse is acting up. Buttons double-click on a single-click and sometimes do not click at all. I tried repeatedly tapping to try to clean but does not last. Unfortunately this mouse is no longer available anywhere (at least at a reasonable price). Love it because of its size and it is USB (no batteries !). Is it possible to do my own refurbishment ? Suggestions ? Links please ! Microsoft Notebook Optical Mouse 3000 Thanks ! Two of the screws holding it together are hidden under the 'feet' as shown here; http://cordes.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-299.html And another screw is hidden under the label !! I use a magnetic wand and move it around the base of items like this, to try to verify in advance where the screws are hidden. There's nothing more embarrassing than ripping rubber feet off something and finding "air" underneath :-/ The screws, being ferrous, can sometimes be located with my screw retrieval wand. Sometimes the screws are far enough away from the surface, this can barely detect them. https://www.amazon.com/SE-8036TM-NEW.../dp/B000RB3XBA And the screw under the label, sometimes the label already has a criss-cross cut pattern in it, to make it easier for the philips screwdriver to get at the screw. A good mouse now, only uses one screw, and one end of the mouse forms a hinge, and the other end has the screw placed in it. But back in the rubber ball mouse era, there could be three screws. The screws are easy to find on one of these :-) It was the Rambo of mice, because it had "steel balls". The rubber ball mice that came after this, were a joke. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HawleyMarkIImice.jpg When disassembling the mouse, be particularly wary of the scroll wheel, as the parts may not be "retained" and if you tip the mouse upside-down with the cover off, all sort of junk and little springs will go flying. The mouse cover, is what prevents that from happening normally. 1) Remove screws from bottom of mouse. 2) Tip mouse upright, scroll wheel facing up. 3) Now, remove top cover with captive plastic mouse buttons. 4) Examine what is underneath. Note whether scroll wheel is "booby trapped" to fall apart on you. Paul |
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Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 21:03:20 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote: It's easy to refurbish mice. I refurb all my mice when they go bad because I like the ones I have. Take it completely apart, clean the optics, remove the micro switches, and solder in new ones. The tails break conductors near where they go into the mouse so cut off the tail about 1" near the entry point on the mouse and re-solder to the internal plug. Use heat shrink on the solder joints. If the plastic tabs that push the micro switches are worn down then use your soldering iron to add more of the same type of plastic. It will be an ABS mix. Should take no more than 20 minutes. Each to his own. Mice are very cheap these days. I wouldn't dream of spending 20 minutes, the cost of new microswitches, soldering iron, and solder to save $20 or so for a new mouse. I like fixing things. It's sort of a hobby. Ordering a new one for $12 is not nearly as much fun. |
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On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 20:51:24 -0000 (UTC), Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:
Do you think even for a second that the OP doesn't know that? o If the OP was _that_ shallow - he wouldn't have asked the question. Sorry for the hiccup. The machine crashed and the scripts must have still run. I don't use a newsreader... it's just vi with telnet scripts. Mea culpa. BTW, if the OP needs pictures, I have plenty of my IBM mouse refurbish. https://i.postimg.cc/5tr2SxsL/mouse02.jpg |
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On 2019-10-13 3:54 p.m., Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:
On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 20:51:24 -0000 (UTC), Arlen _G_ Holder wrote: Do you think even for a second that the OP doesn't know that? o If the OP was _that_ shallow - he wouldn't have asked the question. Sorry for the hiccup. The machine crashed and the scripts must have still run. I don't use a newsreader... it's just vi with telnet scripts. Mea culpa. BTW, if the OP needs pictures, I have plenty of my IBM mouse refurbish. https://i.postimg.cc/5tr2SxsL/mouse02.jpg Is that one of the mice that came over on the Ark? Male or Female? :-) Rene |
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Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-10-13 3:54 p.m., Arlen _G_ Holder wrote: On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 20:51:24 -0000 (UTC), Arlen _G_ Holder wrote: Do you think even for a second that the OP doesn't know that? o If the OP was _that_ shallow - he wouldn't have asked the question. Sorry for the hiccup. The machine crashed and the scripts must have still run. I don't use a newsreader... it's just vi with telnet scripts. Mea culpa. BTW, if the OP needs pictures, I have plenty of my IBM mouse refurbish. https://i.postimg.cc/5tr2SxsL/mouse02.jpg Is that one of the mice that came over on the Ark? Male or Female? :-) Rene That's a one-screw mouse, so it can't be that old. ******* This article, has a picture of the Hawley mouse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_mouse And that was my first mouse. Apparently made around 1975. Steel balls on the outside. A little small for your hand (because it doesn't have a scroll wheel or give a rats ass about ergonomy). And your next problem would be, if you found an old one, the interface is neither USB nor PS/2, and instead, gives "pulses" for +/-X and +/-Y. So you need to whip together some counter circuits to make something a bit better for your OS to use. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HawleyMarkIImice.jpg But still, a nice mouse, and not surpassed until the second generation of optical mice meant never ever again having to worry about what the mouse was resting on. Or how dirty the place was... Paul |
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On 2019-10-13 4:20 p.m., Paul wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 2019-10-13 3:54 p.m., Arlen _G_ Holder wrote: On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 20:51:24 -0000 (UTC), Arlen _G_ Holder wrote: Do you think even for a second that the OP doesn't know that? o If the OP was _that_ shallow - he wouldn't have asked the question. Sorry for the hiccup. The machine crashed and the scripts must have still run. I don't use a newsreader... it's just vi with telnet scripts. Mea culpa. BTW, if the OP needs pictures, I have plenty of my IBM mouse refurbish. https://i.postimg.cc/5tr2SxsL/mouse02.jpg Is that one of the mice that came over on the Ark? Male or Female?Â* :-) Rene That's a one-screw mouse, so it can't be that old. ******* This article, has a picture of the Hawley mouse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_mouse And that was my first mouse. Apparently made around 1975. Steel balls on the outside. A little small for your hand (because it doesn't have a scroll wheel or give a rats ass about ergonomy). And your next problem would be, if you found an old one, the interface is neither USB nor PS/2, and instead, gives "pulses" for +/-X and +/-Y. So you need to whip together some counter circuits to make something a bit better for your OS to use. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HawleyMarkIImice.jpg But still, a nice mouse, and not surpassed until the second generation of optical mice meant never ever again having to worry about what the mouse was resting on. Or how dirty the place was... Â*Â* Paul The micro switches are quite large compared to now, Is that a Pot sticking up where the wheel should be? or is it an actuator for the center button? Rene |
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In message , Paul in Houston TX
writes: Ken Blake wrote: [] Each to his own. Mice are very cheap these days. I wouldn't dream of spending 20 minutes, the cost of new microswitches, soldering iron, and solder to save $20 or so for a new mouse. That's assuming the model the OP likes is still available; I think he thought it wasn't, but someone here found them. I like fixing things. It's sort of a hobby. Ordering a new one for $12 is not nearly as much fun. I share that hobby: I'll certainly spend more time than a thing is worth trying to fix it, if I think the fault is something simple: the throwaway philosophy bugs me. I'll admit, I give up a lot sooner now than I used to, though. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf The motto of the Royal Society is: 'Take nobody's word for it'. Scepticism has value. - Brian Cox, RT 2015/3/14-20 |
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Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-10-13 4:20 p.m., Paul wrote: Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 2019-10-13 3:54 p.m., Arlen _G_ Holder wrote: On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 20:51:24 -0000 (UTC), Arlen _G_ Holder wrote: Do you think even for a second that the OP doesn't know that? o If the OP was _that_ shallow - he wouldn't have asked the question. Sorry for the hiccup. The machine crashed and the scripts must have still run. I don't use a newsreader... it's just vi with telnet scripts. Mea culpa. BTW, if the OP needs pictures, I have plenty of my IBM mouse refurbish. https://i.postimg.cc/5tr2SxsL/mouse02.jpg The micro switches are quite large compared to now, Is that a Pot sticking up where the wheel should be? or is it an actuator for the center button? Rene The IBM mouse above, the microswitches look "normal" sized to me. The thing in the center, I had to use the mouse cover to guess at the function. It looks like a rubber nubbin, and that would make the thing on the PCB, some sort of 2D strain gauge. But there's also what looks like a LED next to it, and the LED is not pointed in any specific direction. It could be for illuminating the rubber nubbin, as I don't see any other function it could carry out, considering the angle it is pointed. This isn't the same item, but it's along the same lines. "Trackpoint mouse" https://www.microsoft.com/buxtoncoll...il.aspx?id=121 https://www.microsoft.com/buxtoncoll...il.aspx?id=120 Paul |
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On 2019-10-13 7:33 p.m., Paul wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 2019-10-13 4:20 p.m., Paul wrote: Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 2019-10-13 3:54 p.m., Arlen _G_ Holder wrote: On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 20:51:24 -0000 (UTC), Arlen _G_ Holder wrote: Do you think even for a second that the OP doesn't know that? o If the OP was _that_ shallow - he wouldn't have asked the question. Sorry for the hiccup. The machine crashed and the scripts must have still run. I don't use a newsreader... it's just vi with telnet scripts. Mea culpa. BTW, if the OP needs pictures, I have plenty of my IBM mouse refurbish. https://i.postimg.cc/5tr2SxsL/mouse02.jpg The micro switches are quite large compared to now, Is that a Pot sticking up where the wheel should be? Â*or is it an actuator for the center button? Rene The IBM mouse above, the microswitches look "normal" sized to me. The thing in the center, I had to use the mouse cover to guess at the function. It looks like a rubber nubbin, and that would make the thing on the PCB, some sort of 2D strain gauge. But there's also what looks like a LED next to it, and the LED is not pointed in any specific direction. It could be for illuminating the rubber nubbin, as I don't see any other function it could carry out, considering the angle it is pointed. This isn't the same item, but it's along the same lines. "Trackpoint mouse" https://www.microsoft.com/buxtoncoll...il.aspx?id=121 https://www.microsoft.com/buxtoncoll...il.aspx?id=120 Â*Â* Paul OK, that makes sense. Thanks. Rene |
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On 10/13/2019 6:25 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul in Houston TX writes: Ken Blake wrote: [] Each to his own. Mice are very cheap these days. I wouldn't dream of spending 20 minutes, the cost of new microswitches, soldering iron, and solder to save $20 or so for a new mouse. That's assuming the model the OP likes is still available; I think he thought it wasn't, but someone here found them. I like fixing things. It's sort of a hobby. Ordering a new one for $12 is not nearly as much fun. I share that hobby: I'll certainly spend more time than a thing is worth trying to fix it, if I think the fault is something simple: the throwaway philosophy bugs me. I'll admit, I give up a lot sooner now than I used to, though. You guys seem to be the type that would appreciate this: https://i.postimg.cc/KjvyybrZ/Doonesbury-01.jpg John -- |
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In message , John Dulak
writes: On 10/13/2019 6:25 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Paul in Houston TX writes: Ken Blake wrote: [] Each to his own. Mice are very cheap these days. I wouldn't dream of spending 20 minutes, the cost of new microswitches, soldering iron, and solder to save $20 or so for a new mouse. That's assuming the model the OP likes is still available; I think he thought it wasn't, but someone here found them. I like fixing things. It's sort of a hobby. Ordering a new one for $12 is not nearly as much fun. I share that hobby: I'll certainly spend more time than a thing is worth trying to fix it, if I think the fault is something simple: the throwaway philosophy bugs me. I'll admit, I give up a lot sooner now than I used to, though. You guys seem to be the type that would appreciate this: https://i.postimg.cc/KjvyybrZ/Doonesbury-01.jpg John I did, sadly. A couple of minor netiquette matters: when you send someone an email as well as posting to a newsgroup, it's considered polite to indicate you're doing so - usually at the top of your post/email, such as by saying "(posted and emailed)". This is because lots of people read their email first, and reply to emails; if they then find the same thing has been posted, they find themselves having to say the same thing again. The other one: if you use a fake email address, especially in a private email, it's usually considered good form to highlight that you're doing so (usually just above the signature separator - something like "remove XYZ to reply"). Otherwise people might genuinely reply, possibly putting some effort in to it, only to receive a bounce. Above two points intended to inform, not to reprimand. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Address the chair!" "There isn't a chair, there's only a rock!" "Well, call it a chair!" "Why not call it a rock?" (First series, fit the sixth.) |
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On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 23:25:27 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message , Paul in Houston TX writes: Ken Blake wrote: [] Each to his own. Mice are very cheap these days. I wouldn't dream of spending 20 minutes, the cost of new microswitches, soldering iron, and solder to save $20 or so for a new mouse. That's assuming the model the OP likes is still available; I think he thought it wasn't, but someone here found them. No, to me, it would hardly matter whether it was still available. If my mouse died, and was no longer available, I'd find another one that was close enough to the old one, so I would like it just as much. I might even find a new one I liked more. As an example of what I mean, earlier this year I used a Logitech M500 mouse which I liked very much. If it died, I would have replaced it with the same model, if it was still available. But then I was at someone's office and he was using an Anker 2.4G Wireless Vertical Ergonomic Optical Mouse. I tried it at his office and immediately liked it better than my Logitech, so I ordered one from Amazon ($20). It's now my favorite; I no longer use the Logitech. Mice are no different from most other things. Newer models are usually better than older ones. |
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On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 15:27:55 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message , John Dulak writes: On 10/13/2019 6:25 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Paul in Houston TX writes: Ken Blake wrote: [] Each to his own. Mice are very cheap these days. I wouldn't dream of spending 20 minutes, the cost of new microswitches, soldering iron, and solder to save $20 or so for a new mouse. That's assuming the model the OP likes is still available; I think he thought it wasn't, but someone here found them. I like fixing things. It's sort of a hobby. Ordering a new one for $12 is not nearly as much fun. I share that hobby: I'll certainly spend more time than a thing is worth trying to fix it, if I think the fault is something simple: the throwaway philosophy bugs me. I'll admit, I give up a lot sooner now than I used to, though. You guys seem to be the type that would appreciate this: https://i.postimg.cc/KjvyybrZ/Doonesbury-01.jpg John I did, sadly. A couple of minor netiquette matters: when you send someone an email as well as posting to a newsgroup, it's considered polite to indicate you're doing so - usually at the top of your post/email, such as by saying "(posted and emailed)". This is because lots of people read their email first, and reply to emails; if they then find the same thing has been posted, they find themselves having to say the same thing again. That used to happen to me often, and it's the reason I switched from my real return address to a fake one. Some people would have send both an e-mail message and a newsgroup posting. And my fake one is purposely a very obvious fake, to dissuade anyone from e-mailing me. |
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