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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one
year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1 owners. Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why? Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother to register at all? It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source millions on the same day (they must have decent servers). So, why bother to "pre register" software? Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value? |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
Wolf K wrote on 6/1/2015 5:08 PM:
On 2015-06-01 5:01 PM, Werner Obermeier wrote: I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1 owners. Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why? Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother to register at all? It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source millions on the same day (they must have decent servers). So, why bother to "pre register" software? Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value? It's a way of gauging demand and/or willingness to change. And/or a way for marketing to brag that x million people are 'eager' to get windows 10. |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
On 2015-06-01 5:01 PM, Werner Obermeier wrote:
I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1 owners. Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why? Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother to register at all? It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source millions on the same day (they must have decent servers). So, why bother to "pre register" software? Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value? It might be that those who registered will get priority access to the operating system before those who haven't. For instance, you'd be able to download it on July 22nd rather than July 26th. Of course, I'm just assuming. -- Slimer Encrypt. - "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4." - "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?" (Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel 4.0.x) |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
In addition to the other reasons people have listed,
Microsoft desperately want to get you used to the idea that the whole thing is a service that you subscribe to and that they provide. It's not your PC anymore. It's their services device. Some people will like the new approach, but the Microsofties know perfectly well that for most people it will be a hard sell, just as Metro has been a hard sell. People are getting invitation popups. Why? Because they've already allowed Microsoft to have unrestricted access to their machine and MS is pushing new product. If you sign up then MS gets your email address and personal info. You become one of their spied-on services customers. But they're also trying to set the tone: You sign up when the popup ad tells you to and you don't have to think about it anymore. MS will transform you computer as soon as Win10 is ready, as long as they have your permission. Once that's done, it's in their hands from then on. They'll let you know if there's anything you need to know.... which will probably be mostly "special offers". You won't even be able to choose about whether to have updates installed once you've got onto the Win10 services bandwagon. It's all a very gradual transition from selling to renting and from software to services, which Microsoft has actually been trying to pull off ever since they came out with Active Desktop in 1998 and "invited" you to subscribe to ads on your Desktop. Their quest became more urgent when they saw Apple making over a billion dollars a year through iTunes alone -- selling crippled music to a captive audience of suckers. Services is all about a captive audience of suckers. But for the general scam to succeed they need to get people used to the idea that while you might pay for a car, you're actually just going to get taxi service. Ideally they need to make you into an AppleSeed: someone who thanks them for exploiting you. |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
On 2015-06-01 5:40 PM, Mayayana wrote:
In addition to the other reasons people have listed, Microsoft desperately want to get you used to the idea that the whole thing is a service that you subscribe to and that they provide. It's not your PC anymore. It's their services device. Some people will like the new approach, but the Microsofties know perfectly well that for most people it will be a hard sell, just as Metro has been a hard sell. Lie, no evidence cited. People are getting invitation popups. Why? Because they've already allowed Microsoft to have unrestricted access to their machine and MS is pushing new product. Another lie, no evidence cited. If you sign up then MS gets your email address and personal info. You become one of their spied-on services customers. But they're also trying to set the tone: You sign up when the popup ad tells you to and you don't have to think about it anymore. MS will transform you computer as soon as Win10 is ready, as long as they have your permission. Once that's done, it's in their hands from then on. They'll let you know if there's anything you need to know.... which will probably be mostly "special offers". Three for three, a Linux user lied about Microsoft and Windows? How shocking! You won't even be able to choose about whether to have updates installed once you've got onto the Win10 services bandwagon. It's all a very gradual transition from selling to renting and from software to services, which Microsoft has actually been trying to pull off ever since they came out with Active Desktop in 1998 and "invited" you to subscribe to ads on your Desktop. Their quest became more urgent when they saw Apple making over a billion dollars a year through iTunes alone -- selling crippled music to a captive audience of suckers. Services is all about a captive audience of suckers. But for the general scam to succeed they need to get people used to the idea that while you might pay for a car, you're actually just going to get taxi service. Ideally they need to make you into an AppleSeed: someone who thanks them for exploiting you. So I'm crippled because I play the music I purchased from iTunes five years after the fact within MediaMonkey with iTunes not even being installed? Another lie from a free software advocate. -- Slimer Encrypt. - "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4." - "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?" (Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel 4.0.x) |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
On 01/06/2015 22:40, Mayayana wrote:
crap snipped Have you always been a habitual lier? Just wondered. |
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| Three for three, a Linux user lied about Microsoft and Windows? How | shocking! | If you're going to call people liars you could at least have the common sense and the decency to explain your "reasoning". Otherwise you're no different than a drunk shouting at his hallucinations. Or are you perhaps a Microsoft shill? Actually, if you'd been tuned in to discussions here you'd know that I don't use Linux in general, and I delight in criticizing Linux and OSS as much as I like to criticize Microsoft. The reason is simple: Between fashion, marketing and emotional bias, there's not much room left for straight facts. I figure it's the social duty of anyone who knows something about what's going on to share that with people who don't. If you really care about facts you can check out what I've said for yourself. Steve Ballmer himself is talking services, and numerous sites have reported that you won't be able to control updates in Win10. If you think that's all made up then why do *you* think they imposed the irrelevant Metro UI in Win8? Because it's just more fun than booting to the Desktop directly? |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
On 2015-06-01 6:02 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 01/06/2015 22:40, Mayayana wrote: crap snipped Have you always been a habitual lier? Just wondered. That's the only strategy Linux losers know to get people attracted to their "operating system." They know that the product is inferior and that their philosophy of making it impossible to make a profit as a result of making everything free doesn't appeal to many so they lie, lie and lie some more. Just look at my signature to get an idea of the kind of lies they come up with even when we point out, WITH EVIDENCE FROM A NUMBER OF PUBLICATIONS ON HAND, a gigantic bug in Linux. This one affected the latest kernel which, if the hard disk was formatted with the default filesystem of ext4, caused data to get corrupted. -- Slimer Encrypt. - "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4." - "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?" (Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel 4.0.x) |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
On Mon, 1 Jun 2015 21:01:03 +0000 (UTC), Werner Obermeier
wrote: I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1 owners. Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why? Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother to register at all? "Desperately"? That's your word, not theirs, and as far as I'm concerned, the word is nonsense. Microsoft is trying to help us with reservations. Installation can go faster if you reserve, See https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-faq, which says "How long does it take to install the upgrade? "Plan for about an hour for the installation. Newer devices may only take 20 minutes, and older devices may take more than an hour. "You'll need to download the installation files before you begin. If you reserve, we'll take care of downloading those files for you and let you know when you are ready to get started." |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
On 2015-06-01 6:06 PM, Mayayana wrote:
| Three for three, a Linux user lied about Microsoft and Windows? How | shocking! | If you're going to call people liars you could at least have the common sense and the decency to explain your "reasoning". Otherwise you're no different than a drunk shouting at his hallucinations. Or are you perhaps a Microsoft shill? Sure, tell me which one of the lies you uttered you'd like for me to provide more information on. I have a plethora of links I would love to provide you if you insist on defending your fabrication. Actually, if you'd been tuned in to discussions here you'd know that I don't use Linux in general, and I delight in criticizing Linux and OSS as much as I like to criticize Microsoft. The reason is simple: Between fashion, marketing and emotional bias, there's not much room left for straight facts. I figure it's the social duty of anyone who knows something about what's going on to share that with people who don't. Your message also demonstrates that you're not in the habit of using recent hardwa X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Since you're running a very old machine, I can see why you're defending Linux which has a distribution for your old configuration should you decide that Windows is no longer doing its job for you. If you really care about facts you can check out what I've said for yourself. Steve Ballmer himself is talking services, and numerous sites have reported that you won't be able to control updates in Win10. If you think that's all made up then why do *you* think they imposed the irrelevant Metro UI in Win8? Because it's just more fun than booting to the Desktop directly? I'm not defending the modern interface, however I would assume that Microsoft actually wanted to move in the direction of the modern interface and abandon the older desktop. After all, the modern interface allows software to run sandboxed and essentially prevents a bad apple from taking down the entire system. Since this interface is also used on tablets and phones, it would have become very familiar to users in the long run had their gamble been successful. However, as the Start button debacle has shown, people are resistant to change. After all, there's a reason why the majority of Linux window manager and desktop environments use the Start button as well. -- Slimer Encrypt. - "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4." - "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?" (Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel 4.0.x) |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
Werner Obermeier wrote:
I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1 owners. Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why? Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother to register at all? It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source millions on the same day (they must have decent servers). So, why bother to "pre register" software? Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value? Variety of reasons. The most common ones a - Telemetry on interest for the free upgrade - Determine server loading and deployment plans via pushing it down via Windows update - Registration for Windows 10 with the Get Windows 10 app allows the user to be placed in a preference queue and if chosen notification in advance by email. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-01 5:01 PM, Werner Obermeier wrote: I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1 owners. Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why? Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother to register at all? It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source millions on the same day (they must have decent servers). So, why bother to "pre register" software? Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value? It might be that those who registered will get priority access to the operating system before those who haven't. For instance, you'd be able to download it on July 22nd rather than July 26th. Of course, I'm just assuming. The date for first availability is July 29, 2015 (not 22nd or 26th). Reserving via the Get Windows 10 app places the user in a queue for downloading. (i.e. not everyone will be able to download on July 29th. In fact the reservation could take preference until the queue is diminished to a MSFT acceptable quantity. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 18:04:12 -0500, Zaghadka
wrote: On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 15:18:59 -0700, in alt.comp.os.windows-8, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Mon, 1 Jun 2015 21:01:03 +0000 (UTC), Werner Obermeier wrote: I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1 owners. Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why? Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother to register at all? "Desperately"? That's your word, not theirs, and as far as I'm concerned, the word is nonsense. Microsoft is trying to help us with reservations. Installation can go faster if you reserve, See https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-faq, which says "How long does it take to install the upgrade? "Plan for about an hour for the installation. Newer devices may only take 20 minutes, and older devices may take more than an hour. "You'll need to download the installation files before you begin. If you reserve, we'll take care of downloading those files for you and let you know when you are ready to get started." I disagree. I think they are actively advertising on every computer with automatic updates installed, and there is no ease-of-use case, such as you describe, that justifies it. Feel free to disagree. It's your right, even when you're wrong. g |
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Zaghadka wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 17:43:51 -0400, in alt.comp.os.windows-8, Slimer wrote: People are getting invitation popups. Why? Because they've already allowed Microsoft to have unrestricted access to their machine and MS is pushing new product. Another lie, no evidence cited. Baloney. They pushed KB3035583 as a "recommended" update, and thus an automatic update, and they did it for the sole reason of turning the user's computer into their own personal billboard. There is no technical reason for that to be an automatic update. Microsoft has unrestricted access to your machine through automatic updates if the user has half a brain and takes security updates seriously. This is a violation of the trust that they will only invoke an automatic update because it is necessary to the user. Evidence cited. KB 3035583 for me tagged as an optional update - requiring the user to check the box. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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On 2015-06-01 8:43 PM, . . .winston wrote:
Slimer wrote: On 2015-06-01 5:01 PM, Werner Obermeier wrote: I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1 owners. Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why? Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother to register at all? It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source millions on the same day (they must have decent servers). So, why bother to "pre register" software? Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value? It might be that those who registered will get priority access to the operating system before those who haven't. For instance, you'd be able to download it on July 22nd rather than July 26th. Of course, I'm just assuming. The date for first availability is July 29, 2015 (not 22nd or 26th). Reserving via the Get Windows 10 app places the user in a queue for downloading. (i.e. not everyone will be able to download on July 29th. In fact the reservation could take preference until the queue is diminished to a MSFT acceptable quantity. Thanks for the information as well as the informative post you made right before this one. -- Slimer Encrypt. - "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4." - "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?" (Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel 4.0.x) |
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