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Forte agent
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:48:24 +0100, occam wrote:
On 10/01/2018 01:08, Doomsdrzej wrote: On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 14:01:52 -0800, Drew wrote: Curious to know which of the Forte agent versions people are using here. 8 here. To be honest, I prefer Thunderbird but refuse to use it because Mozilla has become a social justice company which donates to Antifa. You /prefer/ Thunderbird? I've always toyed with the idea of Forte, but find the integrated ('lazy') approach of TB for both email and usenet more convenient. I have always wondered about the advantages (if any) of a dedicated newsgroup tool like Forte. I normally stick to text only posts, avoiding binaries or warez. One of the biggest advantages of Thunderbird is that it uses plug-ins so, if you want, you can decide to use something like GnuPG in a newsgroup to ward off trolls. We did it with Snit in comp.os.linux.advocacy for while. Since he refused to just go away and some people refused to ignore the loser, some of us posted encrypted text with GnuPG so he could essentially see our posts, but not read a word of them. Of course, this also prevents anyone who isn't a regular from seeing the messages either since the messages are only unencrypted to those who were specifically selected by the poster. However, even the keyboard shortcuts in Thunderbird are much better than those in Forte Agent. A simple press of the spacebar goes to the next unread post with TB whereas CTRL-N is necessary in Forte if you want to see the next post _and_ download its contents. If you at the bottom of a window and the next unread is at the top of it, CTRL-N won't go back to it at all. It'll only chime to indicate that there are no further posts even though you know that there are some.. Filtering with Forte is also pretty pathetic. With TB, you can create IF, AND, OR rules very easily and intuitively whereas with Forte, a proper filter requires you to read a manual. I made some effective filters a while back but it was so cumbersome that I hope never to have to do them again. |
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Forte agent
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 11:39:32 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote: Paul wrote: Thunderbird is hosted at Mozilla, but they're trying to find another home for it. I know they were looking to "lose" TB, but have they changed their mind now? Taking on new hires ... https://blog.mozilla.org/thunderbird/2017/12/new-thunderbird-releases-and-new-thunderbird-staff/ would be nice to have some definitive info ... They stopped development of it a while back since there were no new features that they thought they could add to the program. Building GnuPG directly into the program never occurred to them, apparently. However, they seemed to have changed their mind on that. |
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On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 17:27:32 -0500, Paul wrote:
Free versions might include version 2 (used by jokers), and version 3 or so (the last free version maybe). The last free version is 3.3. It can still be downloaded at forteinc.com. Unlike previous versions 3.3 has no separate Free Agent and (full) Forté Agent. The full version will be installed and after 30 days it will revert to the free version. Feature comparison: https://web.archive.org/web/20060411175139/http://www.forteinc.com/agent/features.php -- s|b |
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On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 19:08:05 -0500, Doomsdrzej wrote:
Stick to Thunderbird if you don't hate Mozilla. Agent is really not very good IMO. Compared to Agent TB is really ****e. (I'm talking about Agent and TB as a _newsreader_, not as a mailclient.) -- s|b |
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:09:44 -0500, Doomsdrzej wrote:
Filtering with Forte is also pretty pathetic. With TB, you can create IF, AND, OR rules very easily and intuitively whereas with Forte, a proper filter requires you to read a manual. Or you simply ask in alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent. There are some filter gurus in that newsgroup who are happy to help you out. BTW 'and' and 'or' in an Agent filter? Simply type 'and' ( & ) or 'or' ( | ). Doesn't get any easier than that... -- s|b |
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On 1/9/2018 5:01 PM, Drew wrote:
Curious to know which of the Forte agent versions people are using here. I of course use Tbird on this machine but I am also on at least 3 others that do not have email accounts associated with them really. I have never really used Forte agent but hear a lot about it. Any recommendations here? It gets old leaving one to check another. All these systems run windows10 64. all high ram count of at least 16gigs and all decent processor speed of at least 3gig. I doubt that makes a difference but just in case. Thunderbird's Usenet system is broken, uses up a lot of memory and has low performance, and there is very little incentive for developers to fix it. However, it's good enough for text groups. It's when you use binary groups that you want to stay away from Thunderbird, and use Forte Agent. But Agent isn't the only Usenet binary client available. There's things like NZBGet, or Sabnzbd, etc. https://usenetreviewz.com/free-usenet/usenet-clients/ |
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 21:49:27 +0100, "s|b" wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:09:44 -0500, Doomsdrzej wrote: Filtering with Forte is also pretty pathetic. With TB, you can create IF, AND, OR rules very easily and intuitively whereas with Forte, a proper filter requires you to read a manual. Or you simply ask in alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent. There are some filter gurus in that newsgroup who are happy to help you out. BTW 'and' and 'or' in an Agent filter? Simply type 'and' ( & ) or 'or' ( | ). Doesn't get any easier than that... Good to know. I'm saving this post if ever I forget. |
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Forte agent
Agent for many years, v8 now, newsreader only, IE for mail.
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 17:54:08 -0500, Yousuf Khan
wrote: On 1/9/2018 5:01 PM, Drew wrote: Curious to know which of the Forte agent versions people are using here. I of course use Tbird on this machine but I am also on at least 3 others that do not have email accounts associated with them really. I have never really used Forte agent but hear a lot about it. Any recommendations here? It gets old leaving one to check another. All these systems run windows10 64. all high ram count of at least 16gigs and all decent processor speed of at least 3gig. I doubt that makes a difference but just in case. Thunderbird's Usenet system is broken, uses up a lot of memory and has low performance, and there is very little incentive for developers to fix it. Wel,, it IS open-source. However, it's good enough for text groups. It's when you use binary groups that you want to stay away from Thunderbird, and use Forte Agent. But Agent isn't the only Usenet binary client available. There's things like NZBGet, or Sabnzbd, etc. https://usenetreviewz.com/free-usenet/usenet-clients/ For those of us who don't use binaries, Agent is mostly lacking. Once I get a better hang of how the filters work, I might change my mind though. |
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On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 14:01:52 -0800, Drew
wrote in Curious to know which of the Forte agent versions people are using here. I'm using v8.0 on a Win7/32bit machine. -- Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one. Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those newspapers delivered to your door every morning. |
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On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 18:45:10 -0500, Joel wrote
in I've been using Agent for about 18 years, it's by far the best software I've seen for accessing Usenet (on any OS), both for text and binary groups. +1 -- Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one. Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those newspapers delivered to your door every morning. |
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:31:12 -0500, Doomsdrzej wrote:
For those of us who don't use binaries, Agent is mostly lacking. Once I get a better hang of how the filters work, I might change my mind though. I think it would be more accurate to say that Agent has always been text-centric, so it excels in that area. Binary support was added later, by popular demand. Even so, binaries are handled much better with newsreaders that make that a priority, such as Newsleecher and Newsbin Pro. |
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:15:03 -0600, CRNG
wrote: On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 14:01:52 -0800, Drew wrote in Curious to know which of the Forte agent versions people are using here. I'm using v8.0 on a Win7/32bit machine. The H key shows post information including what client is in use. KenW |
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 09:28:13 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 08:18:26 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 14:01:52 -0800, Drew wrote: Curious to know which of the Forte agent versions people are using here. I of course use Tbird on this machine but I am also on at least 3 others that do not have email accounts associated with them really. I have never really used Forte agent but hear a lot about it. Any recommendations here? It gets old leaving one to check another. All these systems run windows10 64. all high ram count of at least 16gigs and all decent processor speed of at least 3gig. I doubt that makes a difference but just in case. I use Agent 6.0 on 64-bit Windows 10 with 16GB of RAM. I've never upgraded past 6, since I've seen no real improvements I wanted in 7 or 8. I use Agent only as a newsreader. I use Microsoft Outlook for E-mail. Ditto. Even though Agent can do email, I only use it as a newsreader. I use Outlook for email. My version of Agent is 2.0 from 2004, but Usenet hasn't changed since then so it works fine. I've used Agent for many years and I've been very happy with it. Every now and then I've tried another newsreader, but I've never found anything I liked better than Agent. Ditto. To the OP, Agent has a free trial, so I'd encourage you to check it out. Heck, check out several newsreaders so you can see what's out there, then decide for yourself which suits you best. I especially agree with that last sentence. For any type of product, what I think is best or you think is best isn't necessarily best for everybody. |
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 17:54:08 -0500, Yousuf Khan
wrote: On 1/9/2018 5:01 PM, Drew wrote: Curious to know which of the Forte agent versions people are using here. I of course use Tbird on this machine but I am also on at least 3 others that do not have email accounts associated with them really. I have never really used Forte agent but hear a lot about it. Any recommendations here? It gets old leaving one to check another. All these systems run windows10 64. all high ram count of at least 16gigs and all decent processor speed of at least 3gig. I doubt that makes a difference but just in case. Thunderbird's Usenet system is broken, uses up a lot of memory and has low performance, and there is very little incentive for developers to fix it. However, it's good enough for text groups. It's when you use binary groups that you want to stay away from Thunderbird, and use Forte Agent. But Agent isn't the only Usenet binary client available. There's things like NZBGet, or Sabnzbd, etc. https://usenetreviewz.com/free-usenet/usenet-clients/ Sorry, but I don't think much of that site. There are three major problems with it: 1. It only talks about *free* newsreaders, so it gives you no information about how Agent (or any other paid-for newsreader) compares with those it lists. Yes, something being free makes it more desirable, but if a paid-for product is much better and doesn't cost very much, I'm willing to buy it. 2. It also tells you nothing about some of the other free newsreaders, such as Outlook Express (for those people still running Windows XP), Free Agent, or XNews, which a lot of people like. 3. It doesn't do any direct comparisons between the various newsreaders. To be really useful, it should present a chart with the newsreaders listed vertically and features listed horizontally. That would enable one to choose which one he wanted based on checkmarks for the features *he* deemed important. |
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