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MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates'
From: "~BD~"
| If you were to tell us the name of the organization for which you work I | might better understand your general attitude, Mr Lipman. | Does it have a web site to which I, and other readers, may refer? If so, | maybe you should use it as a replacement signature. What do *you* think? | BDave My signature is fully conforming to Usenets standards as it is less that four lines long and URLs in signatures are not spam. The Adobeforums is semi-private. That is you must authenticate to post to the the Adobeforums (have and account and password). It is semi-private because it has a one-way propogation to Usenet. Posts and replys made at the Adobeforums propogate to Usenet. Posts and replys made on Usenet do not propogate back to the Adobeforums. Therefore they DO have the right to set limiting rules that are non conforming to Usenet standards. As to the organization for which I work... That's none of you f'n business and is NOT for public consumption, especially in an International forum. There are reasons why this *must* be done and I can't even explain why because it falls into the category of too much information. Yes, we have web sites. There are Wikis on us too. Some of "our" web sites are public. Other web sites you and other not in the "family" can not access, them even at the root level. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp |
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MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates'
Leonard Grey wrote:
So what? You could say the same thing about Microsoft software ("responsible for *MANY* people being infected with malware due to [their] overwhelming number and consistency of vulnerabilities.") On the other hand, I've been using and updating Java (and Microsoft software) forever and yet none of my computers have ever been infected by any type of malware. All software is riddled with vulnerabilities waiting to be exploited, so let's not focus on the villain-of-the-month. Or maybe I'll get out my soapbox for Comcast. Urrr...don't get me started. --- Leonard Grey Errare humanum est I've already filed a complaint about Comcast with the FCC which they are 'still investigating' capiche; ceviche ... one understands dead fish, sí ? MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009] =============== *-343-* FDNY Never Forgotten =============== |
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MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates'
Si, si amigo ;-)
--- Leonard Grey Errare humanum est MowGreen [MVP] wrote: Leonard Grey wrote: So what? You could say the same thing about Microsoft software ("responsible for *MANY* people being infected with malware due to [their] overwhelming number and consistency of vulnerabilities.") On the other hand, I've been using and updating Java (and Microsoft software) forever and yet none of my computers have ever been infected by any type of malware. All software is riddled with vulnerabilities waiting to be exploited, so let's not focus on the villain-of-the-month. Or maybe I'll get out my soapbox for Comcast. Urrr...don't get me started. --- Leonard Grey Errare humanum est I've already filed a complaint about Comcast with the FCC which they are 'still investigating' capiche; ceviche ... one understands dead fish, sí ? MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009] =============== *-343-* FDNY Never Forgotten =============== |
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MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates'
Toolbars and system-tray icons are a malaise of present-day computing. For
some reason best known to coders, it seems that every piece of software has to (a) add a toolbar to browsers, and (b) install a memory-resident portion to support a system-tray icon, even if the software only needs to run every once-in-a-long-while to perform its task. A large part of the work of the system-installer is in cleaning-out this garbage from new computers. |
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From: "Anteaus"
| Toolbars and system-tray icons are a malaise of present-day computing. For | some reason best known to coders, it seems that every piece of software has | to (a) add a toolbar to browsers, and (b) install a memory-resident portion | to support a system-tray icon, even if the software only needs to run every | once-in-a-long-while to perform its task. A large part of the work of the | system-installer is in cleaning-out this garbage from new computers. This has always been the case. Today it is system tray-icons. Yesterday, in DOS, it was Terminate and Stay Redsident. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp |
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"David H. Lipman" wrote in message ... From: "Anteaus" | Toolbars and system-tray icons are a malaise of present-day computing. For | some reason best known to coders, it seems that every piece of software has | to (a) add a toolbar to browsers, and (b) install a memory-resident portion | to support a system-tray icon, even if the software only needs to run every | once-in-a-long-while to perform its task. A large part of the work of the | system-installer is in cleaning-out this garbage from new computers. This has always been the case. Today it is system tray-icons. Yesterday, in DOS, it was Terminate and Stay Redsident. I recall having a discussion long ago about trend GUI's had for the completely unnecessary, precious cycle stealing, animations being displayed during move or copy operations. It's just one of those things - a bigger garage ends up holding a greater amount of crap - in fact you would think that since it was apparenty *designed* to hold more crap, you are obliged to collect more just to make it happy. Beyond that, evidently, you opt in for a crap-preloaded (happy) garage and pay the installer to remove most of it. ) |
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| Toolbars and system-tray icons are a malaise of present-day computing. For
| some reason best known to coders, it seems that every piece of software has | to (a) add a toolbar to browsers |
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This has always been the case. Today it is system tray-icons. Yesterday,
in DOS, it was Terminate and Stay Redsident. I'm sure there's difference in the intention. TSR was still for some practical purposes, important or not, and was invisible. The purpose of today's tray icon, as I understand, is usually to remind the user about the "value-added" vendor and create the hope of buying full version of the junk supplied with the system. What's most remarkable is not even the deception itself but the fact that the vendor actually believes that this marketing idiocy is good business and promotes their title. Some users probably indeed buy it - the same effect of big numbers as with any spam sent to millions. One notable example is this company Hilgraeve that Microsoft have been licensing lauphable HyperTerminal from for X years - they still do exist, and it's easy to figure out why. |
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"Anteaus" wrote in message
... Toolbars and system-tray icons are a malaise of present-day computing. For some reason best known to coders, it seems that every piece of software has to (a) add a toolbar to browsers, and (b) install a memory-resident portion to support a system-tray icon, even if the software only needs to run every once-in-a-long-while to perform its task. They believe it's good marketing. The interesting question is who is more stupid and who is paying whom - "value-added" vendors to the system integrator for allowing their junk into the system because they believe it's good marketing, or integrator to the vendors because it believes that the junk actually adds value to the system. |
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From: "Vadim Rapp"
This has always been the case. Today it is system tray-icons. Yesterday, in DOS, it was Terminate and Stay Redsident. | I'm sure there's difference in the intention. TSR was still for some | practical purposes, important or not, and was invisible. The purpose of | today's tray icon, as I understand, is usually to remind the user about the | "value-added" vendor and create the hope of buying full version of the junk | supplied with the system. What's most remarkable is not even the deception | itself but the fact that the vendor actually believes that this marketing | idiocy is good business and promotes their title. Some users probably indeed | buy it - the same effect of big numbers as with any spam sent to millions. | One notable example is this company Hilgraeve that Microsoft have been | licensing lauphable HyperTerminal from for X years - they still do exist, | and it's easy to figure out why. Nope. Its the same. Its a program "stub" in memoy. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp |
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