"Word" does not know how to left justifiy

**Not sure if anyone will notice, I posted again to
"Word Starter 2010 prints in grey, not black",
up a few pages. Thread started on August 5.


But new problem also.

Using Word 2010 Starter, that comes with Win10.

I had written my text in my email program Eudora and copied it in to an
empty text template, "Blank Document". For some reason, text is
right-justified.

Click on ribbon button to make it left justified.

But then Home and End button functions are reversed,
Left and Righ arrows are reversed
Selecting text that spans more than one line is messed up

Problem all stems from template that is right-justified, even when new
and empty. Even if I click on Left Justified when it's brand new and
empty, and the Left-just button is "depressed", when I copy the text in,
it goes back to right-justified.

Other files copied from Notepad++ to Word don't show this, but copying
from Eudora to Notepad++ and then to Word shows the same right
justification and related problems.

Anyone else ever see anything like this?


Copying from Eudora to LibreWriter5 worked fine.

On 8/12/19 5:12 PM, micky wrote:
**Not sure if anyone will notice, I posted again to
"Word Starter 2010 prints in grey, not black",
up a few pages. Thread started on August 5.


But new problem also.

Using Word 2010 Starter, that comes with Win10.

I had written my text in my email program Eudora and copied it in to an
empty text template, "Blank Document". For some reason, text is
right-justified.

Click on ribbon button to make it left justified.

But then Home and End button functions are reversed,
Left and Righ arrows are reversed
Selecting text that spans more than one line is messed up

Problem all stems from template that is right-justified, even when new
and empty. Even if I click on Left Justified when it's brand new and
empty, and the Left-just button is "depressed", when I copy the text in,
it goes back to right-justified.

Other files copied from Notepad++ to Word don't show this, but copying
from Eudora to Notepad++ and then to Word shows the same right
justification and related problems.

Anyone else ever see anything like this?


Copying from Eudora to LibreWriter5 worked fine.



Highlight your text with your mouse. Then press ctrlL

Also take a serious look at LibreOffice before spending
a dime on M$ Office

http://libreoffice.org

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 12 Aug 2019 18:04:11 -0700, T
wrote:

On 8/12/19 5:12 PM, micky wrote:
**Not sure if anyone will notice, I posted again to
"Word Starter 2010 prints in grey, not black",
up a few pages. Thread started on August 5.


But new problem also.

Using Word 2010 Starter, that comes with Win10.

I had written my text in my email program Eudora and copied it in to an
empty text template, "Blank Document". For some reason, text is
right-justified.

Click on ribbon button to make it left justified.

But then Home and End button functions are reversed,
Left and Righ arrows are reversed
Selecting text that spans more than one line is messed up

Problem all stems from template that is right-justified, even when new
and empty. Even if I click on Left Justified when it's brand new and
empty, and the Left-just button is "depressed", when I copy the text in,
it goes back to right-justified.

Other files copied from Notepad++ to Word don't show this, but copying
from Eudora to Notepad++ and then to Word shows the same right
justification and related problems.

Anyone else ever see anything like this?


Copying from Eudora to LibreWriter5 worked fine.



Highlight your text with your mouse. Then press ctrlL

There might have been some slight difference between this and my
previous tests, but basically, or entirely, ctrl-L gives the same
results as clicking on the left-justify button. Left and right are
reversed, Home and End are reversed.

I also noticed that highighting everything and then deleting it, made
the Right-Justify button appear depressed again, even though the Left
was a moment earlier. This means there is something about the Blank
Documents template that promotes R-Just, since that's the way it was
when first brought up.

But it works okay with two other documents from notepad++, so there must
be something strange about the Eudora file, copied from an outgoing
email. But that email shows the Eudora Left-Justify button depressed,
and I know I didn't touch that set of buttons any time on this email, or
for weeks preceding today.

So it's some strange combination of two strange problems.


Also take a serious look at LibreOffice before spending
a dime on M$ Office

http://libreoffice.org

That sounds good.

BTW, I had renamed the normal template, because I read online that
that's the r eason the file was printing grey a week ago, and a new one
was created, on 8/6. I looked back then but it hadn't happened yet.
I haven't checked if it prints in black now, but I'm not optimistic,
since it was renamed/recreated 3 years ago.

Normal and blank documents are probably the same template. maybe I
should try other templates and delete the parts that don't match my
needs. When I have time.

micky wrote:

Using Word 2010 Starter, that comes with Win10.

That doesn't come with Windows 10. Someone *bundled* that product with
the instance of Windows 10 that they pre-installed for you. You bought
a pre-loaded computer. Word Starter (part of "PC Essentials") works
only on 32-bit versions of Windows and is ad-supported.

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/what-...-pc-essentials

In fact, Microsoft gives (or used to give) a licensing discount to
OEMers to preload more Microsoft software on their pre-built and
pre-loaded computers.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/office...eloading-more/

You probably won't find many, if any, users of the Starter edition of MS
Office. If they don't want to pay for MS Office but don't want a
crippled lureware version of it, they get a free alternative, like
LibreOffice.

The PC Essentials components that are pre-loaded onto a pre-built will
vary depending on the OS edition and what the OEMer wants to pre-load.
The Starter editions are lureware.

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/guide...tarter-edition
"customers can easily switch to a full version of any one of the three
Office 2010 products."

If you don't want something bloated with features you don't use or you
want something with a smaller disk footprint than the full MS Office (or
even the Starter editions), there are lots of free office suites; e.g.,
Kingsoft Office, Softmaker FreeOffice, etc. If the Starter edition is
****ing up, you might want to cease fighting it and and use something
else that does work.

Just because it's free doesn't mean you must or even should use it.
There are lots of free alternatives.

I had written my text in my email program Eudora and copied it in to an
empty text template, "Blank Document". For some reason, text is
right-justified.

You sure Eudora wasn't configure to compose e-mail in HTML format? Just
because you see plain text doesn't mean there is no formatting on it.
Try sending the test e-mail to yourself, and then look at the raw source
of the message. Look for a MIME block that contains the "text" to see
if it is within an HTML block and if there are HTML tags within it for
formatting. Could be that "text" is within a MIME section for
HTML-formatted content. Even if you configure Eudora to compose as
plain text, you need to find out if the document it creates is actually
just plain text, or plain text within HTML formatting.

When you copy and paste that "text", the formatting could be coming
along; however, trying to interpret HTML, especially if only part of it
is included (which often happens you copy text as viewed, or select text
instead of using Ctrl+A to select all) could result in the client trying
its best to match the hidden formatting of the clip you are pasting.

You did not mention in which language you are creating the test e-mail
within Eudora that you then copy (to paste elsewhere). Are you using a
language that reads right-to-left instead of left-to-right?

Click on ribbon button to make it left justified.

But then Home and End button functions are reversed,
Left and Righ arrows are reversed
Selecting text that spans more than one line is messed up

Again, check what language is configured in the OS. Tis probably the
same one being used by Eudora. Also check which keyboard type is
configured in the OS.

Problem all stems from template that is right-justified, even when new
and empty. Even if I click on Left Justified when it's brand new and
empty, and the Left-just button is "depressed", when I copy the text in,
it goes back to right-justified.

Possibly a configuration setting inside of Eudora. I don't use it. A
long time ago, I trialed it (that was before they dumped their codebase
and switched to a Thunderbird fork). Didn't like it as MS Outlook was
superior (and I was willing to pay).

Other files copied from Notepad++ to Word don't show this,

Because those don't use HTML formatting when composing a document to
show even so-called plain text content that Eudora might be using.

Everything in e-mail is sent as plain text. Everything. All e-mail is
composed as plain text. HTML is plain text as tags to delineate where
formatting gets used, but it is still a plain text document and it's up
to the client to decide how to interpret the HTML tags. Something
showing just plain text might be hiding the HTML tagging. Eudora may
have an option to compose as plain text; however, until you send it and
then open that message to see its raw source, you won't know if there
are HTML tags that were simply made invisible to you when composing.

On 8/12/19 7:08 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 12 Aug 2019 18:04:11 -0700, T
wrote:

On 8/12/19 5:12 PM, micky wrote:
**Not sure if anyone will notice, I posted again to
"Word Starter 2010 prints in grey, not black",
up a few pages. Thread started on August 5.


But new problem also.

Using Word 2010 Starter, that comes with Win10.

I had written my text in my email program Eudora and copied it in to an
empty text template, "Blank Document". For some reason, text is
right-justified.

Click on ribbon button to make it left justified.

But then Home and End button functions are reversed,
Left and Righ arrows are reversed
Selecting text that spans more than one line is messed up

Problem all stems from template that is right-justified, even when new
and empty. Even if I click on Left Justified when it's brand new and
empty, and the Left-just button is "depressed", when I copy the text in,
it goes back to right-justified.

Other files copied from Notepad++ to Word don't show this, but copying
from Eudora to Notepad++ and then to Word shows the same right
justification and related problems.

Anyone else ever see anything like this?


Copying from Eudora to LibreWriter5 worked fine.



Highlight your text with your mouse. Then press ctrlL

There might have been some slight difference between this and my
previous tests, but basically, or entirely, ctrl-L gives the same
results as clicking on the left-justify button. Left and right are
reversed, Home and End are reversed.

I also noticed that highighting everything and then deleting it, made
the Right-Justify button appear depressed again, even though the Left
was a moment earlier. This means there is something about the Blank
Documents template that promotes R-Just, since that's the way it was
when first brought up.

But it works okay with two other documents from notepad++, so there must
be something strange about the Eudora file, copied from an outgoing
email. But that email shows the Eudora Left-Justify button depressed,
and I know I didn't touch that set of buttons any time on this email, or
for weeks preceding today.

So it's some strange combination of two strange problems.


Also take a serious look at LibreOffice before spending
a dime on M$ Office

http://libreoffice.org

That sounds good.

BTW, I had renamed the normal template, because I read online that
that's the r eason the file was printing grey a week ago, and a new one
was created, on 8/6. I looked back then but it hadn't happened yet.
I haven't checked if it prints in black now, but I'm not optimistic,
since it was renamed/recreated 3 years ago.

Normal and blank documents are probably the same template. maybe I
should try other templates and delete the parts that don't match my
needs. When I have time.



try closing all your programs, then running

winr shutdown /f /r /t 00

it will do a true shutdown and reboot. Then try it again.

This is a YUGE issue if you have Fast Boot enabled (it is
the default).

If it works, get back to us for instructions on how to
disable Fast Boot.

micky wrote:

Home and End button functions are reversed,
Left and Righ arrows are reversed

sounds like word or eudora are confused and have switched to an RTL
writing system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-left

Andy Burns wrote:

micky wrote:

Home and End button functions are reversed,
Left and Righ arrows are reversed

sounds like word or eudora are confused and have switched to an RTL
writing system.

https://proofreadmyessay.co.uk/writing-tips/text-direction-in-microsoft-word

On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:12:24 -0400, micky
wrote:

**Not sure if anyone will notice, I posted again to
"Word Starter 2010 prints in grey, not black",
up a few pages. Thread started on August 5.

I left a brief response in that thread that might show you a possible
reason for printing in grey. My suggestion is how you can check that
you have correctly selected how to print in BLACK - and not grey.

The gist of my response was that you go to the toolbar that includes
the letter 'A' and I think you mentioned it had a RED bar underneath
the 'A'.

My suggestion was that you left click on the downward facing arrow
adjacent to this letter 'A' and then you see a set of colors from
which you can choose the color you wish to use for printing.

On my PC I can select BLACK on the left corner of the top row of
colors and that will be the color that my document will print.

On the bottom row of colors I have a selection of eight shades of
grey, with each shade being 10% darker than the color immediately to
the left so that the density ranges from a very pale grey to a shade
which is almost black. My thoughts were that one of the pale shades
of grey had accidentally been selected at some time in the past.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:26:10 -0500,
VanguardLH wrote:

micky wrote:

Using Word 2010 Starter, that comes with Win10.

That doesn't come with Windows 10. Someone *bundled* that product with
the instance of Windows 10 that they pre-installed for you. You bought

Ah, didn't know that.

Reading what you have below, it reminds me that maybe I installed it,
because I wanted a version of Word and it was the only free one I could
find.

a pre-loaded computer. Word Starter (part of "PC Essentials") works
only on 32-bit versions of Windows and is ad-supported.

This one has no ads.

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/what-...-pc-essentials

In fact, Microsoft gives (or used to give) a licensing discount to
OEMers to preload more Microsoft software on their pre-built and
pre-loaded computers.

This was a used computer and they may have wiped the harddrive first.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/office...eloading-more/

You probably won't find many, if any, users of the Starter edition of MS

On my XP laptop, I wrote something I wanted to publish, using its
version of Word (which version I don't remember now) and I wanted to
continue editing it on the desk computer. It uses some esoteric
characters and unusual spacing so I think LibreOffice is bound to have
trouble with it. But I may have to check.

Office. If they don't want to pay for MS Office but don't want a
crippled lureware version of it, they get a free alternative, like
LibreOffice.

The PC Essentials components that are pre-loaded onto a pre-built will
vary depending on the OS edition and what the OEMer wants to pre-load.
The Starter editions are lureware.

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/guide...tarter-edition

Good page. I haven't finished reading it yet.

"customers can easily switch to a full version of any one of the three
Office 2010 products."

If you don't want something bloated with features you don't use or you
want something with a smaller disk footprint than the full MS Office (or
even the Starter editions), there are lots of free office suites; e.g.,
Kingsoft Office, Softmaker FreeOffice, etc. If the Starter edition is
****ing up, you might want to cease fighting it and and use something
else that does work.

I have little use for anything but the word processor, and when I need
something elsse, I do have LibreOffice, and OpenOffice.


Maybe what I should do is get the version I have on the XP laptop and
try to move that to Win10. Can I do that?



Just because it's free doesn't mean you must or even should use it.
There are lots of free alternatives.

I'll reply to the rest later. Tomorrow, I hope. Thanks

I had written my text in my email program Eudora and copied it in to an
empty text template, "Blank Document". For some reason, text is
right-justified.

You sure Eudora wasn't configure to compose e-mail in HTML format? Just
because you see plain text doesn't mean there is no formatting on it.
Try sending the test e-mail to yourself, and then look at the raw source
of the message. Look for a MIME block that contains the "text" to see
if it is within an HTML block and if there are HTML tags within it for
formatting. Could be that "text" is within a MIME section for
HTML-formatted content. Even if you configure Eudora to compose as
plain text, you need to find out if the document it creates is actually
just plain text, or plain text within HTML formatting.

When you copy and paste that "text", the formatting could be coming
along; however, trying to interpret HTML, especially if only part of it
is included (which often happens you copy text as viewed, or select text
instead of using Ctrl+A to select all) could result in the client trying
its best to match the hidden formatting of the clip you are pasting.

You did not mention in which language you are creating the test e-mail
within Eudora that you then copy (to paste elsewhere). Are you using a
language that reads right-to-left instead of left-to-right?

Click on ribbon button to make it left justified.

But then Home and End button functions are reversed,
Left and Righ arrows are reversed
Selecting text that spans more than one line is messed up

Again, check what language is configured in the OS. Tis probably the
same one being used by Eudora. Also check which keyboard type is
configured in the OS.

Problem all stems from template that is right-justified, even when new
and empty. Even if I click on Left Justified when it's brand new and
empty, and the Left-just button is "depressed", when I copy the text in,
it goes back to right-justified.

Possibly a configuration setting inside of Eudora. I don't use it. A
long time ago, I trialed it (that was before they dumped their codebase
and switched to a Thunderbird fork). Didn't like it as MS Outlook was
superior (and I was willing to pay).

Other files copied from Notepad++ to Word don't show this,

Because those don't use HTML formatting when composing a document to
show even so-called plain text content that Eudora might be using.

Everything in e-mail is sent as plain text. Everything. All e-mail is
composed as plain text. HTML is plain text as tags to delineate where
formatting gets used, but it is still a plain text document and it's up
to the client to decide how to interpret the HTML tags. Something
showing just plain text might be hiding the HTML tagging. Eudora may
have an option to compose as plain text; however, until you send it and
then open that message to see its raw source, you won't know if there
are HTML tags that were simply made invisible to you when composing.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 13 Aug 2019 07:56:21 +0100, Andy
Burns wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

micky wrote:

Home and End button functions are reversed,
Left and Righ arrows are reversed

sounds like word or eudora are confused and have switched to an RTL
writing system.

https://proofreadmyessay.co.uk/writing-tips/text-direction-in-microsoft-word

Thanks. Been up all night. Have to work on that tomorrow. I plan to
get back to you both.

micky wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

sounds like word or eudora are confused and have switched to an RTL
writing system.

https://proofreadmyessay.co.uk/writing-tips/text-direction-in-microsoft-word

Thanks. Been up all night. Have to work on that tomorrow. I plan to
get back to you both.

I was wondering if you might have clicked an icon with a paragraph
symbol and arrow

https://proofreadmyessay.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/textdirection3.jpg

thinking that was justify, when it has altered the text direction instead.

micky wrote:

Maybe what I should do is get the version I have on the XP laptop and
try to move that to Win10. Can I do that?

Don't know what version you have on XP. If it is a retail version, yep,
you can move it from XP to 10, but you lose the license on XP. If it is
an OEM version, nope, it's stuck to XP. If you're asking about Word
Starter, since it's free then licensing shouldn't be an issue, but I
haven't looked at its EULA.

Since you have LibreOffice, see if your "weird" document displays okay
inside it. You could even see if WordPad will handle it.

Monty wrote:

I left a brief response in that thread that might show you a possible
reason for printing in grey. My suggestion is how you can check that
you have correctly selected how to print in BLACK - and not grey.

The gist of my response was that you go to the toolbar that includes
the letter 'A' and I think you mentioned it had a RED bar underneath
the 'A'.

My suggestion was that you left click on the downward facing arrow
adjacent to this letter 'A' and then you see a set of colors from
which you can choose the color you wish to use for printing.

On my PC I can select BLACK on the left corner of the top row of
colors and that will be the color that my document will print.

On the bottom row of colors I have a selection of eight shades of
grey, with each shade being 10% darker than the color immediately to
the left so that the density ranges from a very pale grey to a shade
which is almost black. My thoughts were that one of the pale shades
of grey had accidentally been selected at some time in the past.

Another possibility is the printer (not the editor program) is setup to
print in greyscale instead of black. This is outside of any editor
program, so any of them would result in printing in greyscale with the
printer configured to do so. Micky complained about printing in Word,
but didn't mention if that's the only place where is the problem.

For me under Win10 Home x64 1903, I click on the taskbar's search icon,
enter "printer", select Printers & Scanners, click on my printer, click
Manage, click Printing Preferences, select the Paper Quality tab, click
the Advanced button, and check that "Print in Grayscale" is off.
Software that comes with the printer might have its own grayscale
setting, the the Windows navpath above might just end up at the same
dialog as using the printer's software.