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Old August 19th 19, 02:01 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Alek
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I see three ways to get a VPN

My browser has one
My router has one
I can install one on my computer

Which is best?
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  #2  
Old August 19th 19, 02:23 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Alek
wrote:

I see three ways to get a VPN

My browser has one


probably just a proxy.

My router has one
I can install one on my computer

Which is best?


it depends what you want to do and your threat model.

vpn on the router will cover all devices on your lan (unless you set up
policies) without needing to install anything extra on computers or
other devices, while vpn on a computer is usually much faster
(depending on the router), but only that one device. there may be
additional features if you install vpn software on a computer, and you
travel, it's more convenient unless you also want to bring a travel
router.
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Old August 19th 19, 12:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Thanks.

nospam wrote on 8/18/2019 9:23 PM:
In article , Alek
wrote:

I see three ways to get a VPN

My browser has one


probably just a proxy.

My router has one
I can install one on my computer

Which is best?


it depends what you want to do and your threat model.

vpn on the router will cover all devices on your lan (unless you set up
policies) without needing to install anything extra on computers or
other devices, while vpn on a computer is usually much faster
(depending on the router), but only that one device. there may be
additional features if you install vpn software on a computer, and you
travel, it's more convenient unless you also want to bring a travel
router.


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Old August 19th 19, 10:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Arlen George Holder
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On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 07:22:04 -0400, Alek wrote:

Thanks.


There's another easier far easier simple easy way to get VPN.

a. Download & install any openvpn client on any platform
(works on all five common consumer platforms, AFAIK)
Example for Windows:
https://openvpn.net/download-open-vpn/
Get the _client_ (don't bother with the server).

b. Download any free openvpn *.ovpn config file on the net
Note: This is just to get your feet wet.
You can spend the rest of your life finding the best vpn.
The purpose of a free vpn configuration file is to test.
Here's just one place to get them - but zillions exist.
https://www.freeopenvpn.org/
To all the morons out there who key off of this, please
realize that the choice of config file is up to the user.
This is just to get a newbie started.
The newbie is advised to just play with it for now.

That's it. It's all you need.
1. You need an openvpn client
2. You need an openvpn protocol configuration file.

You don't need anything else.
Try it. On any platform.

You should be up and running in about five minutes or so.

All the disclaimers apply that you can spend the rest of your life arguing
about which is the best protocol or the best public service or the best
client, etc. - but this will get you up and running so you can test vpn in
mere minutes.

What I'd like to know is how to use my own HOSTS file when on VPN.
If anyone knows how to do _that_, it would be very helpful.
  #5  
Old August 20th 19, 04:00 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Arlen George Holder
wrote:


What I'd like to know is how to use my own HOSTS file when on VPN.
If anyone knows how to do _that_, it would be very helpful.


same way as while not on vpn.
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Old August 20th 19, 09:14 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Arlen George Holder
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On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 23:00:48 -0400, nospam wrote:

same way as while not on vpn.


That's not my experience, so maybe something isn't what I think it is?

1. I can put a domain in my HOSTS file, e.g., 127.0.0.1 google.com
2. Then I can't go to that domain from my local PC anymore (which is ok)
3. But then, I connect to a VPN service (e.g., https://www.freeopenvpn.org/)
4. I can connect to google.com (even though that's in my local HOSTS file)

Clearly, it uses the vpn services' hosts file.
This makes sense because the entire connection goes though that host.
I can't imagine it working any other way by default.

Does anyone else use a VPN service who can confirm how it works for them?
  #7  
Old August 20th 19, 02:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Arlen George Holder
wrote:


same way as while not on vpn.


That's not my experience, so maybe something isn't what I think it is?


then you're doing something wrong. no surprise there.

1. I can put a domain in my HOSTS file, e.g., 127.0.0.1 google.com
2. Then I can't go to that domain from my local PC anymore (which is ok)
3. But then, I connect to a VPN service (e.g., https://www.freeopenvpn.org/)
4. I can connect to google.com (even though that's in my local HOSTS file)

Clearly, it uses the vpn services' hosts file.
This makes sense because the entire connection goes though that host.
I can't imagine it working any other way by default.


no, it doesn't make sense for it to work that way.
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Old August 20th 19, 04:15 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Arlen George Holder
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On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 09:27:28 -0400, nospam wrote:

no, it doesn't make sense for it to work that way.


I tried to treat you like an adult - but you're just not an adult.
o Why do you _always_ prove to be purposefully unhelpful, nospam?

I don't know why everything you write is purposefully worthless.
a. Either you're just plain worthless as a human being, or,
b. You post your worthless drivel purely for your amusement.

Either way, please do us all a favor, including me.
o Please stop posting your worthless drivel, nospam.
  #9  
Old August 20th 19, 05:43 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mike Easter
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Arlen George Holder wrote:
3. But then, I connect to a VPN service (e.g.,https://www.freeopenvpn.org/)
4. I can connect to google.com (even though that's in my local HOSTS file)


You said you use a lot of different VPNs. Why not perform your test on
a half dozen or so and report back which ones perform consistently w/
using your own hosts file?

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  #10  
Old August 20th 19, 08:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Arlen George Holder
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On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 09:43:07 -0700, Mike Easter wrote:

You said you use a lot of different VPNs. Why not perform your test on
a half dozen or so and report back which ones perform consistently w/
using your own hosts file?


It's been working this way for years, on all public service VPNs.

It may be that there is no solution.

Or their may be a trick.

But if someone doesn't _use_ public VPN services, they'll not likely know
that trick - so it has to be - most likely - a solution that someone who
knows how these services work would know if they also knew networking well.

I suspect though that there is no solution but that's why I asked.

About one out of a score of times when I think there is no solution,
someone actually HAS a solution. It's rare - but it happens.

But it's not gonna happen from anyone who doesn't both
a. Use public VPN services, and,
b. Knows networking well.
  #11  
Old August 20th 19, 09:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mike Easter
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Arlen George Holder wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:

You said you use a lot of different VPNs. Why not perform your test on
a half dozen or so and report back which ones perform consistently w/
using your own hosts file?


It's been working this way for years, on all public service VPNs.


Are you running/accessing the VPN from your router or the individual device?

--
Mike Easter
  #12  
Old August 20th 19, 09:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Arlen George Holder
wrote:


It may be that there is no solution.


with you involved, that is true.
  #13  
Old August 21st 19, 06:02 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Arlen George Holder
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On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 16:45:34 -0400, nospam wrote:

with you involved, that is true.


You always play your silly childish worthless 5th grade games, nospam.
a. You're always unhelpful where every post detracts value from Usenet
b. Your credibility is worse than the result of a coin toss
  #14  
Old August 21st 19, 06:02 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Arlen George Holder
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On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 13:14:04 -0700, Mike Easter wrote:

Are you running/accessing the VPN from your router or the individual device?


Hi Mike,

Thanks for attempting to be purposefully helpful, as I admit I don't know
networking well - where all I do to access any public VPN service is...
a. I download any VPN config file (e.g., from http://vpngate.net)
b. I essentially doubleclick on that file (which makes the VPN connection).

I've written a tutorial on how to set that up but that's all I do.

I don't even know how to "put" the openvpn client on my SOHO router.
How is that even done? (It's a basic Netgear WNDR n router.)

Anyway, it's the normal way to connect to a VPN service with the exception
that I have scripts that constantly switch me among thousands of public VPN
services randomly all day every day - but essentially it's no different
than what I described above.

To get on VPN - I simply doubleclick on any of thousands of VPN config
files which open up in the OpenVPN client - which connects me to the free
VPN service.

The main problem is that this method uses the HOSTS file of the VPN
service, where all I ask of a Windows networking expert is...

Q: How to use my own HOSTS file when connected to a VPN service?
  #15  
Old August 21st 19, 09:08 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 19 Aug 2019 21:19:53 -0000 (UTC),
Arlen George Holder wrote:

On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 07:22:04 -0400, Alek wrote:

Thanks.


There's another easier far easier simple easy way to get VPN.

a. Download & install any openvpn client on any platform
(works on all five common consumer platforms, AFAIK)
Example for Windows:
https://openvpn.net/download-open-vpn/
Get the _client_ (don't bother with the server).

b. Download any free openvpn *.ovpn config file on the net
Note: This is just to get your feet wet.
You can spend the rest of your life finding the best vpn.
The purpose of a free vpn configuration file is to test.
Here's just one place to get them - but zillions exist.
https://www.freeopenvpn.org/
To all the morons out there who key off of this, please
realize that the choice of config file is up to the user.
This is just to get a newbie started.
The newbie is advised to just play with it for now.

That's it. It's all you need.
1. You need an openvpn client
2. You need an openvpn protocol configuration file.

You don't need anything else.
Try it. On any platform.

You should be up and running in about five minutes or so.


So when I paid $8/month, that was a waste of money? (Bear in mind that
the Opera built-in VPN didn't seem to work, and I had no router with
me.)

All the disclaimers apply that you can spend the rest of your life arguing
about which is the best protocol or the best public service or the best
client, etc. - but this will get you up and running so you can test vpn in
mere minutes.

What I'd like to know is how to use my own HOSTS file when on VPN.
If anyone knows how to do _that_, it would be very helpful.


 




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