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As readers of my posts here may know, I have some problems with my
system, but I still can't understand this specific problem. Netflix rewind Do any of you use Netflix and do you rewind? With the left arrow. When I do that, about half the time it works fine, but another half, it counts up to 99% and then sits there with a cricle going around for about 70 seconds. then it plays, having backed up 10 seconds. If I push rewind twice, 20 seconds, it almost never works right. Even though I'm only using half my memory, 10% of disk and cpu and 1% of network. I have 8 gigs of memory, win10Pro fully updated except for the spring version of win10, but this seems like a netflix problem, since I have plenty ram to have stored the video that I just looked at (so what is taking 70 seconds?). yet the only other person I know says she has no problems with rewinding. I googled and found about some special rewind button that people don't like but this is the regular rewind. They probalby have a forum but I hate webforums. So where does the problem lie? I don't even have to fix it if I can only understand it. (I have one series adn one movie to watch in Netflix and then I'm done.)_ |
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micky wrote:
As readers of my posts here may know, I have some problems with my system, but I still can't understand this specific problem. Netflix rewind Do any of you use Netflix and do you rewind? With the left arrow. When I do that, about half the time it works fine, but another half, it counts up to 99% and then sits there with a cricle going around for about 70 seconds. then it plays, having backed up 10 seconds. If I push rewind twice, 20 seconds, it almost never works right. Even though I'm only using half my memory, 10% of disk and cpu and 1% of network. I have 8 gigs of memory, win10Pro fully updated except for the spring version of win10, but this seems like a netflix problem, since I have plenty ram to have stored the video that I just looked at (so what is taking 70 seconds?). yet the only other person I know says she has no problems with rewinding. I googled and found about some special rewind button that people don't like but this is the regular rewind. They probalby have a forum but I hate webforums. So where does the problem lie? I don't even have to fix it if I can only understand it. (I have one series adn one movie to watch in Netflix and then I'm done.)_ Windows 10 has at least playback in browser, and playback in "Netflix App" from the Microsoft Store. Have you tried the alternative ? Paul |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 18 Aug 2019 07:32:15 -0400, Paul
wrote: micky wrote: As readers of my posts here may know, I have some problems with my system, but I still can't understand this specific problem. Netflix rewind Do any of you use Netflix and do you rewind? With the left arrow. When I do that, about half the time it works fine, but another half, it counts up to 99% and then sits there with a cricle going around for about 70 seconds. then it plays, having backed up 10 seconds. If I push rewind twice, 20 seconds, it almost never works right. Even though I'm only using half my memory, 10% of disk and cpu and 1% of network. I have 8 gigs of memory, win10Pro fully updated except for the spring version of win10, but this seems like a netflix problem, since I have plenty ram to have stored the video that I just looked at (so what is taking 70 seconds?). yet the only other person I know says she has no problems with rewinding. I googled and found about some special rewind button that people don't like but this is the regular rewind. They probalby have a forum but I hate webforums. So where does the problem lie? I don't even have to fix it if I can only understand it. (I have one series adn one movie to watch in Netflix and then I'm done.)_ Windows 10 has at least playback in browser, and playback in "Netflix App" from the Microsoft Store. Have you tried the alternative ? Paul I didnt' know there was such a thing as a Netflix app. I'm going to install it, but if it works better than the webpage does, and efven if it doesn't, I wonder why the webpage didn't mention it, prominently. And if that's what my friend has been using, I wish she'd have told me about it. She might not know or remember, but she also has a way of not giving a darn, that is annoying at times. (She's not a girlfriend.) I'm trying to install it now, but it's going slowly. I'll get back to you after I test it. But most important, well, I think I'll start another thread. |
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On 18/08/2019 02:18, micky wrote:
As readers of my posts here may know, I have some problems with my system, but I still can't understand this specific problem. Netflix rewind Do any of you use Netflix and do you rewind? With the left arrow. When I do that, about half the time it works fine, but another half, it counts up to 99% and then sits there with a cricle going around for about 70 seconds. then it plays, having backed up 10 seconds. If I push rewind twice, 20 seconds, it almost never works right. Even though I'm only using half my memory, 10% of disk and cpu and 1% of network. Works fine here. Although if I hit the left arrow more than once, I have to hit return for it to actually rewind to that point. It gives a little preview of where you currently are in the rewind. I have 8 gigs of memory, win10Pro fully updated except for the spring version of win10, It could be an internet problem? Are you at the limit of what your internet can stream? If you are then rewinding will be severely hampered by your internet speed. |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 20 Aug 2019 15:28:54 +0100, Chris
wrote: On 18/08/2019 02:18, micky wrote: As readers of my posts here may know, I have some problems with my system, but I still can't understand this specific problem. Netflix rewind Do any of you use Netflix and do you rewind? With the left arrow. When I do that, about half the time it works fine, but another half, it counts up to 99% and then sits there with a cricle going around for about 70 seconds. then it plays, having backed up 10 seconds. If I push rewind twice, 20 seconds, it almost never works right. Even though I'm only using half my memory, 10% of disk and cpu and 1% of network. Works fine here. Although if I hit the left arrow more than once, I have to hit return for it to actually rewind to that point. It gives a little preview of where you currently are in the rewind. I have 8 gigs of memory, win10Pro fully updated except for the spring version of win10, It could be an internet problem? Are you at the limit of what your internet can stream? I'm only at 1% Intenet, and as low as 10% on CPU, maybe as high as 50%. Still, I assumed it would buffer the upcoming video and save the last 20 seconds or more of just watched video, since they have a rewind button and the best way to do this is to save the just watched video and rewind into it. I'm using only half my memory, 4 of 8 gigs. If you are then rewinding will be severely hampered by your internet speed. Anyhow, I tried the app and I thought I reviewed it here but don't see it. In short it worked no better than the webpage, actually a little worse because to pause the video, I had to have the cursor on the play/pause symbole, instead of anywhere on the screen like the webpage. The rewind worked no better on the app and nothing else about the app was better, so I'm sticking with the webpage unless for some reason I'm not opening that at all. BTW, Netflix keeps forgetting whats in My List. I only have 3 things and on separate occaions it's forgotten 1, 2, and all 3 of them. Give me a break!! Fortunately I've remembered what they are but I wrote them down elsewhere for when I don't. Oh, and one time I clicked on "Add to List +" and a message showed right there, Deleting Movie, or some such. Wow. |
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micky wrote:
You might get better help in a Netflix group. Not everybody uses Netflix. Those who do use different browsers. They use it for different things. There is a wide range of experiences. |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 26 Aug 2019 06:24:16 -0000 (UTC),
John Doe wrote: micky wrote: You might get better help in a Netflix group. Not everybody uses Netflix. Those who do use different browsers. They use it for different things. There is a wide range of experiences. Thanks. I hate webforums. Only use them when desperate. |
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micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 20 Aug 2019 15:28:54 +0100, Chris wrote: On 18/08/2019 02:18, micky wrote: As readers of my posts here may know, I have some problems with my system, but I still can't understand this specific problem. Netflix rewind Do any of you use Netflix and do you rewind? With the left arrow. When I do that, about half the time it works fine, but another half, it counts up to 99% and then sits there with a cricle going around for about 70 seconds. then it plays, having backed up 10 seconds. If I push rewind twice, 20 seconds, it almost never works right. Even though I'm only using half my memory, 10% of disk and cpu and 1% of network. Works fine here. Although if I hit the left arrow more than once, I have to hit return for it to actually rewind to that point. It gives a little preview of where you currently are in the rewind. I have 8 gigs of memory, win10Pro fully updated except for the spring version of win10, It could be an internet problem? Are you at the limit of what your internet can stream? I'm only at 1% Intenet, That doesn't seem realistic. How are you measuring it and what type of broadband service are you being provided? Still, I assumed it would buffer the upcoming video and save the last 20 seconds or more of just watched video, since they have a rewind button and the best way to do this is to save the just watched video and rewind into it. I'm using only half my memory, 4 of 8 gigs. Except it doesn't work that way. It only buffers a small window around where you're currently watching. At the end of a film you don't have the whole of it sitting in memory. |
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Chris wrote:
micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 20 Aug 2019 15:28:54 +0100, Chris wrote: On 18/08/2019 02:18, micky wrote: As readers of my posts here may know, I have some problems with my system, but I still can't understand this specific problem. Netflix rewind Do any of you use Netflix and do you rewind? With the left arrow. When I do that, about half the time it works fine, but another half, it counts up to 99% and then sits there with a cricle going around for about 70 seconds. then it plays, having backed up 10 seconds. If I push rewind twice, 20 seconds, it almost never works right. Even though I'm only using half my memory, 10% of disk and cpu and 1% of network. Works fine here. Although if I hit the left arrow more than once, I have to hit return for it to actually rewind to that point. It gives a little preview of where you currently are in the rewind. I have 8 gigs of memory, win10Pro fully updated except for the spring version of win10, It could be an internet problem? Are you at the limit of what your internet can stream? I'm only at 1% Intenet, That doesn't seem realistic. How are you measuring it and what type of broadband service are you being provided? Still, I assumed it would buffer the upcoming video and save the last 20 seconds or more of just watched video, since they have a rewind button and the best way to do this is to save the just watched video and rewind into it. I'm using only half my memory, 4 of 8 gigs. Except it doesn't work that way. It only buffers a small window around where you're currently watching. At the end of a film you don't have the whole of it sitting in memory. I tried: https://fast.com/ and it was measuring my link speed. The IP addresses at the bottom of the browser page, were flashing "netflix servers running on my ISP". So my ISP has local servers (apparently) to serve content. And that's what the web code was probing. I presume fast.com gets a copy of the results, so Netflix can build a "plumbing map" for head office. xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxx-xxx-xxx.x.oca.nflxvideo.net (for a whole bunch of different values of "x") but the IP values seem to belong to my ISP. For the ISP, having those servers inside the network, cuts down on transit costs. As Netflix is a significant portion of their bandwidth load. The rate you get, does not indicate actual Netflix streaming sessions will run at the same speed. It just indicates there are no "plumbing" issues as such. It's still possible for the ISP to force a lower resolution Netflix session, just for the hell of it. You could monitor a video streaming session with Wireshark and see if any RST packets are flying about (they cause a connection to drop). Sometimes, those are sent by DPI boxes, in both directions, if the ISP doesn't "like" a certain kind of traffic. They used to do that for Torrent sessions here at one time. They've stopped. In fact, due to mis-programming of the DPI box, they were also mistakenly randomly killing regular web browsing sessions. The DPI server is still there, because it's an essential part of protecting the ISP. Unfortunately, RST can also be issued by a server, if it wants to "shed traffic" or indicate it's not available for service. If you see RST, that is not abnormal. It's part of the protocol. It's the "pattern of abuse" that hints that what you're seeing is not entirely a server issue. What I was seeing, was servers from all over the Internet, all issuing RST, which isn't normal. But, they fixed that, so whatever their evil plan was, it didn't work. Paul |
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Paul wrote:
Chris wrote: micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 20 Aug 2019 15:28:54 +0100, Chris wrote: On 18/08/2019 02:18, micky wrote: As readers of my posts here may know, I have some problems with my system, but I still can't understand this specific problem. Netflix rewind Do any of you use Netflix and do you rewind? With the left arrow. When I do that, about half the time it works fine, but another half, it counts up to 99% and then sits there with a cricle going around for about 70 seconds. then it plays, having backed up 10 seconds. If I push rewind twice, 20 seconds, it almost never works right. Even though I'm only using half my memory, 10% of disk and cpu and 1% of network. Works fine here. Although if I hit the left arrow more than once, I have to hit return for it to actually rewind to that point. It gives a little preview of where you currently are in the rewind. I have 8 gigs of memory, win10Pro fully updated except for the spring version of win10, It could be an internet problem? Are you at the limit of what your internet can stream? I'm only at 1% Intenet, That doesn't seem realistic. How are you measuring it and what type of broadband service are you being provided? Still, I assumed it would buffer the upcoming video and save the last 20 seconds or more of just watched video, since they have a rewind button and the best way to do this is to save the just watched video and rewind into it. I'm using only half my memory, 4 of 8 gigs. Except it doesn't work that way. It only buffers a small window around where you're currently watching. At the end of a film you don't have the whole of it sitting in memory. I tried: https://fast.com/ and it was measuring my link speed. The IP addresses at the bottom of the browser page, were flashing "netflix servers running on my ISP". So my ISP has local servers (apparently) to serve content. And that's what the web code was probing. I presume fast.com gets a copy of the results, so Netflix can build a "plumbing map" for head office. xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxx-xxx-xxx.x.oca.nflxvideo.net (for a whole bunch of different values of "x") but the IP values seem to belong to my ISP. For the ISP, having those servers inside the network, cuts down on transit costs. As Netflix is a significant portion of their bandwidth load. The rate you get, does not indicate actual Netflix streaming sessions will run at the same speed. It just indicates there are no "plumbing" issues as such. It's still possible for the ISP to force a lower resolution Netflix session, just for the hell of it. You could monitor a video streaming session with Wireshark and see if any RST packets are flying about (they cause a connection to drop). Sometimes, those are sent by DPI boxes, in both directions, if the ISP doesn't "like" a certain kind of traffic. They used to do that for Torrent sessions here at one time. They've stopped. In fact, due to mis-programming of the DPI box, they were also mistakenly randomly killing regular web browsing sessions. The DPI server is still there, because it's an essential part of protecting the ISP. Unfortunately, RST can also be issued by a server, if it wants to "shed traffic" or indicate it's not available for service. If you see RST, that is not abnormal. It's part of the protocol. It's the "pattern of abuse" that hints that what you're seeing is not entirely a server issue. What I was seeing, was servers from all over the Internet, all issuing RST, which isn't normal. But, they fixed that, so whatever their evil plan was, it didn't work. That's very detailed, I'd just use the task manager and monitor the network via the performance tab. |
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On 26/08/2019 18:52, Chris wrote:
Paul wrote: Chris wrote: micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 20 Aug 2019 15:28:54 +0100, Chris wrote: On 18/08/2019 02:18, micky wrote: As readers of my posts here may know, I have some problems with my system, but I still can't understand this specific problem. Netflix rewind Do any of you use Netflix and do you rewind? With the left arrow. When I do that, about half the time it works fine, but another half, it counts up to 99% and then sits there with a cricle going around for about 70 seconds. then it plays, having backed up 10 seconds. If I push rewind twice, 20 seconds, it almost never works right. Even though I'm only using half my memory, 10% of disk and cpu and 1% of network. Works fine here. Although if I hit the left arrow more than once, I have to hit return for it to actually rewind to that point. It gives a little preview of where you currently are in the rewind. I have 8 gigs of memory, win10Pro fully updated except for the spring version of win10, It could be an internet problem? Are you at the limit of what your internet can stream? I'm only at 1% Intenet, That doesn't seem realistic. How are you measuring it and what type of broadband service are you being provided? Still, I assumed it would buffer the upcoming video and save the last 20 seconds or more of just watched video, since they have a rewind button and the best way to do this is to save the just watched video and rewind into it. I'm using only half my memory, 4 of 8 gigs. Except it doesn't work that way. It only buffers a small window around where you're currently watching. At the end of a film you don't have the whole of it sitting in memory. I tried: https://fast.com/ and it was measuring my link speed. The IP addresses at the bottom of the browser page, were flashing "netflix servers running on my ISP". So my ISP has local servers (apparently) to serve content. And that's what the web code was probing. I presume fast.com gets a copy of the results, so Netflix can build a "plumbing map" for head office. xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxx-xxx-xxx.x.oca.nflxvideo.net (for a whole bunch of different values of "x") but the IP values seem to belong to my ISP. For the ISP, having those servers inside the network, cuts down on transit costs. As Netflix is a significant portion of their bandwidth load. The rate you get, does not indicate actual Netflix streaming sessions will run at the same speed. It just indicates there are no "plumbing" issues as such. It's still possible for the ISP to force a lower resolution Netflix session, just for the hell of it. You could monitor a video streaming session with Wireshark and see if any RST packets are flying about (they cause a connection to drop). Sometimes, those are sent by DPI boxes, in both directions, if the ISP doesn't "like" a certain kind of traffic. They used to do that for Torrent sessions here at one time. They've stopped. In fact, due to mis-programming of the DPI box, they were also mistakenly randomly killing regular web browsing sessions. The DPI server is still there, because it's an essential part of protecting the ISP. Unfortunately, RST can also be issued by a server, if it wants to "shed traffic" or indicate it's not available for service. If you see RST, that is not abnormal. It's part of the protocol. It's the "pattern of abuse" that hints that what you're seeing is not entirely a server issue. What I was seeing, was servers from all over the Internet, all issuing RST, which isn't normal. But, they fixed that, so whatever their evil plan was, it didn't work. That's very detailed, I'd just use the task manager and monitor the network via the performance tab. So for reference I just did this and it is very erratic. Netflix seems to buffer in 4Mbps jumps every 10-15 seconds, but then if I fast forward it sucks the full bandwidth of internet connection (~35Mbps) briefly. |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 26 Aug 2019 10:41:03 -0000 (UTC),
Chris wrote: micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 20 Aug 2019 15:28:54 +0100, Chris wrote: On 18/08/2019 02:18, micky wrote: As readers of my posts here may know, I have some problems with my system, but I still can't understand this specific problem. Netflix rewind Do any of you use Netflix and do you rewind? With the left arrow. When I do that, about half the time it works fine, but another half, it counts up to 99% and then sits there with a cricle going around for about 70 seconds. then it plays, having backed up 10 seconds. If I push rewind twice, 20 seconds, it almost never works right. Even though I'm only using half my memory, 10% of disk and cpu and 1% of network. Works fine here. Although if I hit the left arrow more than once, I have to hit return for it to actually rewind to that point. It gives a little preview of where you currently are in the rewind. I have 8 gigs of memory, win10Pro fully updated except for the spring version of win10, It could be an internet problem? Are you at the limit of what your internet can stream? I'm only at 1% Intenet, That doesn't seem realistic. How are you measuring it and what type of broadband service are you being provided? I'm using the column heading of Task Manager. I have DSL** **which runs slow iiuc, never going over 105KBs, but it works well enough at that speed, this video and other urls, except when rewinding. Still, I assumed it would buffer the upcoming video and save the last 20 seconds or more of just watched video, since they have a rewind button and the best way to do this is to save the just watched video and rewind into it. I'm using only half my memory, 4 of 8 gigs. Except it doesn't work that way. It only buffers a small window around where you're currently watching. At the end of a film you don't have the whole of it sitting in memory. Sure, but I figured the previous 20 or even 30 seconds would be sitting in memory, for the sake of those who rewind that much. Instead I can only rewind 10 seconds and even that only works 2/3 of the time. Then I have to wait 70 seconds for it to reload (I guess that would be less with a faster connection, but it only takes about the same 70 seconds to start watching in the first place, so rewinding 10 seconds is often no better that a new video. |
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micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 26 Aug 2019 10:41:03 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 20 Aug 2019 15:28:54 +0100, Chris wrote: On 18/08/2019 02:18, micky wrote: As readers of my posts here may know, I have some problems with my system, but I still can't understand this specific problem. Netflix rewind Do any of you use Netflix and do you rewind? With the left arrow. When I do that, about half the time it works fine, but another half, it counts up to 99% and then sits there with a cricle going around for about 70 seconds. then it plays, having backed up 10 seconds. If I push rewind twice, 20 seconds, it almost never works right. Even though I'm only using half my memory, 10% of disk and cpu and 1% of network. Works fine here. Although if I hit the left arrow more than once, I have to hit return for it to actually rewind to that point. It gives a little preview of where you currently are in the rewind. I have 8 gigs of memory, win10Pro fully updated except for the spring version of win10, It could be an internet problem? Are you at the limit of what your internet can stream? I'm only at 1% Intenet, That doesn't seem realistic. How are you measuring it and what type of broadband service are you being provided? I'm using the column heading of Task Manager. I have DSL** Which column heading? Look at the "Performance" tab and select the "Network" panel. That'll give you better information. **which runs slow iiuc, never going over 105KBs, but it works well enough at that speed, this video and other urls, except when rewinding. That really is borderline for streaming videos. Still, I assumed it would buffer the upcoming video and save the last 20 seconds or more of just watched video, since they have a rewind button and the best way to do this is to save the just watched video and rewind into it. I'm using only half my memory, 4 of 8 gigs. Except it doesn't work that way. It only buffers a small window around where you're currently watching. At the end of a film you don't have the whole of it sitting in memory. Sure, but I figured the previous 20 or even 30 seconds would be sitting in memory, for the sake of those who rewind that much. Instead I can only rewind 10 seconds and even that only works 2/3 of the time. Then I have to wait 70 seconds for it to reload (I guess that would be less with a faster connection, but it only takes about the same 70 seconds to start watching in the first place, so rewinding 10 seconds is often no better that a new video. I think that proves your bottleneck *is* your internet. If it takes about a minute to start a film then it's going to take the same time to rebuffer when rewinding. Can't change that. |
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On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 19:11:21 -0400, micky
wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 26 Aug 2019 10:41:03 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Tue, 20 Aug 2019 15:28:54 +0100, Chris wrote: On 18/08/2019 02:18, micky wrote: As readers of my posts here may know, I have some problems with my system, but I still can't understand this specific problem. Netflix rewind Do any of you use Netflix and do you rewind? With the left arrow. When I do that, about half the time it works fine, but another half, it counts up to 99% and then sits there with a cricle going around for about 70 seconds. then it plays, having backed up 10 seconds. If I push rewind twice, 20 seconds, it almost never works right. Even though I'm only using half my memory, 10% of disk and cpu and 1% of network. Works fine here. Although if I hit the left arrow more than once, I have to hit return for it to actually rewind to that point. It gives a little preview of where you currently are in the rewind. I have 8 gigs of memory, win10Pro fully updated except for the spring version of win10, It could be an internet problem? Are you at the limit of what your internet can stream? I'm only at 1% Intenet, That doesn't seem realistic. How are you measuring it and what type of broadband service are you being provided? I'm using the column heading of Task Manager. I have DSL** **which runs slow iiuc, never going over 105KBs, but it works well enough at that speed, this video and other urls, except when rewinding. Never going over 105 kilobytes per second?? At 105KBps, you should probably give up on streaming entirely. I agree with Chris, that's probably the primary issue that you're dealing with. Sure, but I figured the previous 20 or even 30 seconds would be sitting in memory, for the sake of those who rewind that much. Instead I can only rewind 10 seconds and even that only works 2/3 of the time. Then I have to wait 70 seconds for it to reload (I guess that would be less with a faster connection, but it only takes about the same 70 seconds to start watching in the first place, so rewinding 10 seconds is often no better that a new video. That sure sounds like a crappy Internet service tier. At least it's free, right? I assume they aren't charging for that. |
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Sure, but I figured the previous 20 or even 30 seconds would be sitting in memory, for the sake of those who rewind that much. This is wishful thinking. It's all about the DRM. The idea is, the buffer is kept small, to "thwart piracy". Does this stop piracy ? Nope. But it does turn a few users into Sad Pandas. The RAM on my machines, is sufficient to buffer about *one hour* of content, minimum. That's if someone cared to use the RAM for that purpose. Even my video card memory is big enough on the other computer, to hold *one hour* of content on its own. There are no excuses for not enough resources being available. Just the "mental problem" of doing the right thing. Have you checked to see if any WISP providers are located in your area ? That's a microwave method for Internet. It would help break a monopoly situation, if it existed. Rural folks in one of the provinces in Canada, the "last people to get Internet", they're out of wire range, so a microwave link was set up instead. I don't see any similar ones here. https://www.highspeedinternet.com/md/baltimore There are some Fixed Wireless providers here. I don't particularly expect this to be cheap, but you'll have to check. https://geoisp.com/us/MD/baltimore/ Paul |
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