Tip: workgroup printer

HI All,

I got called to a customer's site this week to
install a new computer and remove a broken one.
The customer's printer repairman recommended
the

HP Laser Jet M507

I was impressed:

It was easy to install and lighter weight than your
would think (it is not light though, watch your back).

It was ridiculously easy to configure and network.

CUPS caught it immediately.

It is quiet.

Prints very quickly.

I hold an entire ream of paper.


Keep in mind this is a new unit. I have not
idea what the last is on it.

-T

On 11/8/2019 5:43 PM, T wrote:
HI All,

I got called to a customer's site this week to
install a new computer and remove a broken one.
The customer's printer repairman recommended
the

HP Laser Jet M507

I was impressed:

It was easy to install and lighter weight than your
would think (it is not light though, watch your back).

It was ridiculously easy to configure and network.

CUPS caught it immediately.

It is quiet.

Prints very quickly.

I hold an entire ream of paper.


Keep in mind this is a new unit. I have not
idea what the last is on it.


$674 for a monochrome laser printer? And $310 for a replacement cartridge?

No way, as far as I'm concerned. It may be a very good printer, but
there are lots of other good monochrome laser printers for a *lot* less
money. I'm very happy with my Brother HL-L2300D, which is $80.


--
Ken

On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 08:39:11 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

$674 for a monochrome laser printer? And $310 for a replacement cartridge?

No way, as far as I'm concerned. It may be a very good printer, but
there are lots of other good monochrome laser printers for a *lot* less
money. I'm very happy with my Brother HL-L2300D, which is $80.

Different market, different set of users. The HP weighs nearly twice
a much which tells you something.

On 2019-11-09 11:20 a.m., mechanic wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 08:39:11 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

$674 for a monochrome laser printer? And $310 for a replacement cartridge?

No way, as far as I'm concerned. It may be a very good printer, but
there are lots of other good monochrome laser printers for a *lot* less
money. I'm very happy with my Brother HL-L2300D, which is $80.

Different market, different set of users. The HP weighs nearly twice
a much which tells you something.


Yep, depends on your wants and needs. My Okidata c5150n weighs about 70
lbs, Cost me $715.00, OEM toner costs a fortune, About $700.00 for a set
of four CMYK carts.
but I don't buy those, I get Media Sciences brand new, not rebuilt
5000 page set of 4 carts for $140.00, they last me about 2 years or so.
The printer is going on 13 years old without a problem and still uses
the original drivers even in Windows 10. I guess you get what you pay for.
I suspect it may outlast me. :-)

Rene

On 11/9/2019 10:20 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 08:39:11 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

$674 for a monochrome laser printer? And $310 for a replacement cartridge?

No way, as far as I'm concerned. It may be a very good printer, but
there are lots of other good monochrome laser printers for a *lot* less
money. I'm very happy with my Brother HL-L2300D, which is $80.

Different market, different set of users. The HP weighs nearly twice
a much which tells you something.



What it doesn't tell me is that it's worth nearly ten times as much.
Maybe it's better than mine in some respects (for example perhaps it's
faster), but it's not that much better. As far as I'm concerned, it's
way overpriced.


--
Ken

On 2019-11-09 12:28 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/9/2019 10:20 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 08:39:11 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

$674 for a monochrome laser printer? And $310 for a replacement
cartridge?

No way, as far as I'm concerned. It may be a very good printer, but
there are lots of other good monochrome laser printers for a *lot*
less money.Â* I'm very happy with my Brother HL-L2300D, which is $80.

Different market, different set of users. The HP weighs nearly twice
a much which tells you something.



What it doesn't tell me is that it's worth nearly ten times as much.
Maybe it's better than mine in some respects (for example perhaps it's
faster), but it's not that much better. As far as I'm concerned, it's
way overpriced.



Yes, way too much for a monochrome printer, that's more than the price
of a good color printer.
my son has a Brother monochrome model 2500 or something, does a great
job for $99.00.

Rene

In article , Ken Blake
wrote:

$674 for a monochrome laser printer? And $310 for a replacement cartridge?

No way, as far as I'm concerned. It may be a very good printer, but
there are lots of other good monochrome laser printers for a *lot* less
money. I'm very happy with my Brother HL-L2300D, which is $80.

Different market, different set of users. The HP weighs nearly twice
a much which tells you something.


What it doesn't tell me is that it's worth nearly ten times as much.
Maybe it's better than mine in some respects (for example perhaps it's
faster), but it's not that much better. As far as I'm concerned, it's
way overpriced.

the specs state it can print up to 43 pages per minute with up to five
paper trays, dual-sided printing, wired & wireless networking, optional
hard drive, and for what it does, the price is reasonable.

however, it's *way* overkill for a home user and even a small business.

On 2019-11-09, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Yes, way too much for a monochrome printer, that's more than the price
of a good color printer.
my son has a Brother monochrome model 2500 or something, does a great
job for $99.00.

How long will it last versus that expensive HP in a law office cranking
out thousands of pages per month?

--
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.)

NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com
Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com
Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

On 09/11/2019 19.55, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Blake
wrote:

$674 for a monochrome laser printer? And $310 for a replacement cartridge?

No way, as far as I'm concerned. It may be a very good printer, but
there are lots of other good monochrome laser printers for a *lot* less
money. I'm very happy with my Brother HL-L2300D, which is $80.

Different market, different set of users. The HP weighs nearly twice
a much which tells you something.


What it doesn't tell me is that it's worth nearly ten times as much.
Maybe it's better than mine in some respects (for example perhaps it's
faster), but it's not that much better. As far as I'm concerned, it's
way overpriced.

the specs state it can print up to 43 pages per minute with up to five
paper trays, dual-sided printing, wired & wireless networking, optional
hard drive, and for what it does, the price is reasonable.

You also have to look at the monthly yield, not only the per minute
speed. A printer might print fast, but then it would die early if it has
to print thousands of pages per month in an office.

There are also different types of offices: some may need to print maybe
a hundred per day or less, others a thousand per day. Just print 3 or 4
copies of each contract in a law firm that completes several contracts a
day, for instance, plus drafts :-P


however, it's *way* overkill for a home user and even a small business.


Usually :-)

--
Cheers, Carlos.

In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

What it doesn't tell me is that it's worth nearly ten times as much.
Maybe it's better than mine in some respects (for example perhaps it's
faster), but it's not that much better. As far as I'm concerned, it's
way overpriced.

the specs state it can print up to 43 pages per minute with up to five
paper trays, dual-sided printing, wired & wireless networking, optional
hard drive, and for what it does, the price is reasonable.

You also have to look at the monthly yield, not only the per minute
speed. A printer might print fast, but then it would die early if it has
to print thousands of pages per month in an office.

up to 150k pages per month, recommended 2000-7500/month.

it's very clearly intended for high volume.

On 11/9/2019 12:37 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 09/11/2019 19.55, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Blake
wrote:

$674 for a monochrome laser printer? And $310 for a replacement cartridge?

No way, as far as I'm concerned. It may be a very good printer, but
there are lots of other good monochrome laser printers for a *lot* less
money. I'm very happy with my Brother HL-L2300D, which is $80.

Different market, different set of users. The HP weighs nearly twice
a much which tells you something.


What it doesn't tell me is that it's worth nearly ten times as much.
Maybe it's better than mine in some respects (for example perhaps it's
faster), but it's not that much better. As far as I'm concerned, it's
way overpriced.

the specs state it can print up to 43 pages per minute with up to five
paper trays, dual-sided printing, wired & wireless networking, optional
hard drive, and for what it does, the price is reasonable.

You also have to look at the monthly yield, not only the per minute
speed. A printer might print fast, but then it would die early if it has
to print thousands of pages per month in an office.


Yes. But would it last ten times as long. I doubt it.

And at those prices for cartridges, the cost is more than 10 times as much.



There are also different types of offices: some may need to print maybe
a hundred per day or less, others a thousand per day. Just print 3 or 4
copies of each contract in a law firm that completes several contracts a
day, for instance, plus drafts :-P


however, it's *way* overkill for a home user and even a small business.


Usually :-)



--
Ken

In article , Ken Blake
wrote:

What it doesn't tell me is that it's worth nearly ten times as much.
Maybe it's better than mine in some respects (for example perhaps it's
faster), but it's not that much better. As far as I'm concerned, it's
way overpriced.

the specs state it can print up to 43 pages per minute with up to five
paper trays, dual-sided printing, wired & wireless networking, optional
hard drive, and for what it does, the price is reasonable.

You also have to look at the monthly yield, not only the per minute
speed. A printer might print fast, but then it would die early if it has
to print thousands of pages per month in an office.


Yes. But would it last ten times as long. I doubt it.

probably longer, given that its recommended duty cycle is 7500 pages
per month, with a maximum of 150k pages per month. that's a *lot* of
printing.

And at those prices for cartridges, the cost is more than 10 times as much.

for roughly 7-8x as many pages per cartridge.

700-2600 pages per cartridge for the brother
5k-20k pages per cartridge for the hp

On 09 Nov 2019, Ken Blake wrote
(in article ):

On 11/9/2019 12:37 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 09/11/2019 19.55, nospam wrote:
In , Ken Blake
wrote:

$674 for a monochrome laser printer? And $310 for a replacement
cartridge?

No way, as far as I'm concerned. It may be a very good printer, but
there are lots of other good monochrome laser printers for a *lot* less
money. I'm very happy with my Brother HL-L2300D, which is $80.

Different market, different set of users. The HP weighs nearly twice
a much which tells you something.


What it doesn't tell me is that it's worth nearly ten times as much.
Maybe it's better than mine in some respects (for example perhaps it's
faster), but it's not that much better. As far as I'm concerned, it's
way overpriced.

the specs state it can print up to 43 pages per minute with up to five
paper trays, dual-sided printing, wired & wireless networking, optional
hard drive, and for what it does, the price is reasonable.

You also have to look at the monthly yield, not only the per minute
speed. A printer might print fast, but then it would die early if it has
to print thousands of pages per month in an office.

Yes. But would it last ten times as long. I doubt it.

A good departmental printer can last 20 years, doing 100k pages or more per
month in that time. A personal printer, such as the Brother, would have a
duty cycle of approximately 30,000 pages/month, and would simply break down
if fed 100k pages/month for more than 3 to 6 months. We don’t hit 100k, but
have exceeded 50k on multiple occasions and one memorable month we printed in
excess of 75k. We have a few 20-year-old HP departmental printers, from when
HP made good printers. We’d have killed a personal printer years ago. They
have been in service since 1997-9, so 20+ years. They’re now slow and
don’t have good resolution compared to new printers, but they still work. I
can get 5000 pages off one cartridge (which means we go few a _lot_ of
cartridges/month, and so have a volume deal and don’t pay retail. I’ve
got a Brother HL-2070N at home, but it hasn’t printed 20,000 pages in 15
years of use as I simply no longer print that much at home. Getting an HP
departmental printer for home use would be overkill. Getting a personal
printer for the department would be a good way of ensuring that we’d have
to buy another printer within a few months.


And at those prices for cartridges, the cost is more than 10 times as much.

If you buy in volume the price per cartridge falls to a fraction of the price
per single cartridge. We pay $50/cartridge if we order 100 or more
cartridges; the price for just one cartridge is $100. At 5000
pages/cartridge, that’s $0.01/page for toner, hardly exorbitant, the paper
will cost more, for good paper anyway. Cheap paper, suitable for drafts,
costs less, again if bought in bulk, which we do. YMMV.



There are also different types of offices: some may need to print maybe
a hundred per day or less, others a thousand per day. Just print 3 or 4
copies of each contract in a law firm that completes several contracts a
day, for instance, plus drafts :-P


however, it's *way* overkill for a home user and even a small business.

Anyone who doesn’t buy paper in pallets probably doesn’t need a
departmental printer. Anyone who does buy paper in pallets badly needs
high-end printers, which we also have, big monster floor-standing
copier/printers with a half dozen paper trays and duty cycles in the hundreds
of thousands... and prices in the high thousands.

Usually :-)

On 11/9/19 7:39 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/8/2019 5:43 PM, T wrote:
HI All,

I got called to a customer's site this week to
install a new computer and remove a broken one.
The customer's printer repairman recommended
the

HP Laser Jet M507

I was impressed:

It was easy to install and lighter weight than your
would think (it is not light though, watch your back).

It was ridiculously easy to configure and network.

CUPS caught it immediately.

It is quiet.

Prints very quickly.

I hold an entire ream of paper.


Keep in mind this is a new unit.Â* I have not
idea what the last is on it.


$674 for a monochrome laser printer? And $310 for a replacement cartridge?

No way, as far as I'm concerned. It may be a very good printer, but
there are lots of other good monochrome laser printers for a *lot* less
money.Â* I'm very happy with my Brother HL-L2300D, which is $80.



Hi Ken,

You missed the part about it being a "workgroup" printer.
This is not for a desktop that goes through a ream of
paper a year. It is for folks that go though "two cases"
of paper a week.

You try that with your $80 printer and you will be
going through a printer every two weeks. And a
workgroup printer is expected to be repairable and
last about ten years.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

-T

On 11/9/2019 7:30 PM, T wrote:
On 11/9/19 7:39 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/8/2019 5:43 PM, T wrote:
HI All,

I got called to a customer's site this week to
install a new computer and remove a broken one.
The customer's printer repairman recommended
the

HP Laser Jet M507

I was impressed:

It was easy to install and lighter weight than your
would think (it is not light though, watch your back).

It was ridiculously easy to configure and network.

CUPS caught it immediately.

It is quiet.

Prints very quickly.

I hold an entire ream of paper.


Keep in mind this is a new unit.Â* I have not
idea what the last is on it.


$674 for a monochrome laser printer? And $310 for a replacement cartridge?

No way, as far as I'm concerned. It may be a very good printer, but
there are lots of other good monochrome laser printers for a *lot* less
money.Â* I'm very happy with my Brother HL-L2300D, which is $80.



Hi Ken,

You missed the part about it being a "workgroup" printer.



Its being a workgroup printer is irrelevant. There are large workgroups
and there are small workgroups. And some workgroups print much more than
others do.



This is not for a desktop that goes through a ream of
paper a year. It is for folks that go though "two cases"
of paper a week.



That, on the other hand, could be relevant. However you said nothing
about that in your original message that I replied to.




You try that with your $80 printer and you will be
going through a printer every two weeks. And a
workgroup printer is expected to be repairable and
last about ten years.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

-T







--
Ken