What will they think of next!

In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

So, It seems to be in a a Lenova workstation P620 available in
September starting at $4995.00.

Methinks this CPU will put Apples New proposed Arm and Hammer CPUs to
shame.

you might be in for a rather big surprise.

this is an example of what already exists for arm-based systems:

https://venturebeat.com/2020/03/03/a...rst-80-core-ar
m-based-server-processor/
Wittich said the Ampere chip is 14% better than AMD1s fastest Epyc
chip on power efficiency and 4% faster on raw performance. And it
was 2.11 times better than Intel1s rival chip on power efficiency and
2.23 times better in raw performance. He said that means you can
put them in a 42-unit server rack without running out of power. The
Ampere Altra runs at 3 gigahertz.


https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...-based-superco
mputer-is-the-fastest-in-the-world
The ARM microprocessor architecture used to be an exclusively
low-power affair, but today there are full-fledged computers running
on ARM chips. In fact, Apple is going to move its laptops to ARM in
the coming years. Japanese technology firms Fujitsu and Riken have
shown what ARM can really do with their new Fugaku supercomputer.
With more than 150,000 CPUs, Fugaku has now become the most
powerful supercomputer in the world by a wide margin.


Beautiful CPU, But is it an Apple Arm Chip? I guess not eh!

doesn't matter. it's just examples of what arm can do *now*.

future processors, from apple and other companies, will be even faster.

On 2020-07-15 10:43 a.m., nospam wrote:
In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

So, It seems to be in a a Lenova workstation P620 available in
September starting at $4995.00.

Methinks this CPU will put Apples New proposed Arm and Hammer CPUs to
shame.

you might be in for a rather big surprise.

this is an example of what already exists for arm-based systems:

https://venturebeat.com/2020/03/03/a...rst-80-core-ar
m-based-server-processor/
Wittich said the Ampere chip is 14% better than AMD1s fastest Epyc
chip on power efficiency and 4% faster on raw performance. And it
was 2.11 times better than Intel1s rival chip on power efficiency and
2.23 times better in raw performance. He said that means you can
put them in a 42-unit server rack without running out of power. The
Ampere Altra runs at 3 gigahertz.


https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...-based-superco
mputer-is-the-fastest-in-the-world
The ARM microprocessor architecture used to be an exclusively
low-power affair, but today there are full-fledged computers running
on ARM chips. In fact, Apple is going to move its laptops to ARM in
the coming years. Japanese technology firms Fujitsu and Riken have
shown what ARM can really do with their new Fugaku supercomputer.
With more than 150,000 CPUs, Fugaku has now become the most
powerful supercomputer in the world by a wide margin.


Beautiful CPU, But is it an Apple Arm Chip? I guess not eh!

doesn't matter. it's just examples of what arm can do *now*.

future processors, from apple and other companies, will be even faster.


But! What can Apple do *NOW*.

Rene

In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

So, It seems to be in a a Lenova workstation P620 available in
September starting at $4995.00.

Methinks this CPU will put Apples New proposed Arm and Hammer CPUs to
shame.

you might be in for a rather big surprise.

this is an example of what already exists for arm-based systems:

https://venturebeat.com/2020/03/03/a...rst-80-core-ar
m-based-server-processor/
Wittich said the Ampere chip is 14% better than AMD1s fastest Epyc
chip on power efficiency and 4% faster on raw performance. And it
was 2.11 times better than Intel1s rival chip on power efficiency and
2.23 times better in raw performance. He said that means you can
put them in a 42-unit server rack without running out of power. The
Ampere Altra runs at 3 gigahertz.


https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...-based-superco
mputer-is-the-fastest-in-the-world
The ARM microprocessor architecture used to be an exclusively
low-power affair, but today there are full-fledged computers running
on ARM chips. In fact, Apple is going to move its laptops to ARM in
the coming years. Japanese technology firms Fujitsu and Riken have
shown what ARM can really do with their new Fugaku supercomputer.
With more than 150,000 CPUs, Fugaku has now become the most
powerful supercomputer in the world by a wide margin.


Beautiful CPU, But is it an Apple Arm Chip? I guess not eh!

doesn't matter. it's just examples of what arm can do *now*.

future processors, from apple and other companies, will be even faster.


But! What can Apple do *NOW*.

their first arm-based offerings are expected in about 2-3 months.

On 2020-07-15 11:02 a.m., nospam wrote:
In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

So, It seems to be in a a Lenova workstation P620 available in
September starting at $4995.00.

Methinks this CPU will put Apples New proposed Arm and Hammer CPUs to
shame.

you might be in for a rather big surprise.

this is an example of what already exists for arm-based systems:

https://venturebeat.com/2020/03/03/a...rst-80-core-ar
m-based-server-processor/
Wittich said the Ampere chip is 14% better than AMD1s fastest Epyc
chip on power efficiency and 4% faster on raw performance. And it
was 2.11 times better than Intel1s rival chip on power efficiency and
2.23 times better in raw performance. He said that means you can
put them in a 42-unit server rack without running out of power. The
Ampere Altra runs at 3 gigahertz.


https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...-based-superco
mputer-is-the-fastest-in-the-world
The ARM microprocessor architecture used to be an exclusively
low-power affair, but today there are full-fledged computers running
on ARM chips. In fact, Apple is going to move its laptops to ARM in
the coming years. Japanese technology firms Fujitsu and Riken have
shown what ARM can really do with their new Fugaku supercomputer.
With more than 150,000 CPUs, Fugaku has now become the most
powerful supercomputer in the world by a wide margin.


Beautiful CPU, But is it an Apple Arm Chip? I guess not eh!

doesn't matter. it's just examples of what arm can do *now*.

future processors, from apple and other companies, will be even faster.


But! What can Apple do *NOW*.

their first arm-based offerings are expected in about 2-3 months.


So lets wait and see how it plays out. should be interesting.

Rene

In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote:


Beautiful CPU, But is it an Apple Arm Chip? I guess not eh!

doesn't matter. it's just examples of what arm can do *now*.

future processors, from apple and other companies, will be even faster.


But! What can Apple do *NOW*.

their first arm-based offerings are expected in about 2-3 months.


So lets wait and see how it plays out.

that's all anyone can do.

should be interesting.

indeed it will be.

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2020-07-15 10:01 a.m., nospam wrote:
In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote:


So, It seems to be in a a Lenova workstation P620 available in
September starting at $4995.00.

Methinks this CPU will put Apples New proposed Arm and Hammer CPUs to
shame.

you might be in for a rather big surprise.

this is an example of what already exists for arm-based systems:

https://venturebeat.com/2020/03/03/a...rst-80-core-ar
m-based-server-processor/
Wittich said the Ampere chip is 14% better than AMD¹s fastest Epyc
chip on power efficiency and 4% faster on raw performance. And it
was 2.11 times better than Intel¹s rival chip on power efficiency and
2.23 times better in raw performance. He said that means you can
put them in a 42-unit server rack without running out of power. The
Ampere Altra runs at 3 gigahertz.


https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...-based-superco
mputer-is-the-fastest-in-the-world
The ARM microprocessor architecture used to be an exclusively
low-power affair, but today there are full-fledged computers running
on ARM chips. In fact, Apple is going to move its laptops to ARM in
the coming years. Japanese technology firms Fujitsu and Riken have
shown what ARM can really do with their new Fugaku supercomputer.
With more than 150,000 CPUs, Fugaku has now become the most
powerful supercomputer in the world by a wide margin.


Beautiful CPU, But is it an Apple Arm Chip? I guess not eh!

Rene


It still needs analysis to see what kind of workloads it
can run. Running desktop loads on a high core count platform,
is generally going to be a waste at the best of times.

If you've been paying careful attention, all of this high
end rubbish has scaling problems of one sort or another.

For example, what happens if/when you run 7ZIP on Ampere ?

Hard to guess.

But the playing field is level on that one. Your "success"
is a function of your memory bus design.

And absolutely no one today, steps outside their comfort
zone on that.

Paul

In article , Paul
wrote:


For example, what happens if/when you run 7ZIP on Ampere ?

Hard to guess.

easy to guess. a native version will just work and an non-native
version will require emulation.

On 2020-07-15 2:46 p.m., Paul wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2020-07-15 10:01 a.m., nospam wrote:
In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote:


So, It seems to be in aÂ* a Lenova workstationÂ* P620 available in
September starting at $4995.00.

Methinks this CPU will put Apples New proposed Arm and Hammer CPUs to
shame.

you might be in for a rather big surprise.

this is an example of what already exists for arm-based systems:

https://venturebeat.com/2020/03/03/a...rst-80-core-ar
m-based-server-processor/
Â*Â* Wittich said the Ampere chip is 14% better than AMD¹s fastest Epyc
Â*Â* chip on power efficiency and 4% faster on raw performance. And it
Â*Â* was 2.11 times better than Intel¹s rival chip on power efficiency and
Â*Â* 2.23 times better in raw performance. He said that means you can
Â*Â* put them in a 42-unit server rack without running out of power. The
Â*Â* Ampere Altra runs at 3 gigahertz.


https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...-based-superco
mputer-is-the-fastest-in-the-world
Â*Â* The ARM microprocessor architecture used to be an exclusively
Â*Â* low-power affair, but today there are full-fledged computers running
Â*Â* on ARM chips. In fact, Apple is going to move its laptops to ARM in
Â*Â* the coming years. Japanese technology firms Fujitsu and Riken have
Â*Â* shown what ARM can really do with their new Fugaku supercomputer.
Â*Â* With more than 150,000 CPUs, Fugaku has now become the most
Â*Â* powerful supercomputer in the world by a wide margin.


Beautiful CPU, But is it an Apple Arm Chip?Â* I guess not eh!

Rene


It still needs analysis to see what kind of workloads it
can run. Running desktop loads on a high core count platform,
is generally going to be a waste at the best of times.

If you've been paying careful attention, all of this high
end rubbish has scaling problems of one sort or another.

For example, what happens if/when you run 7ZIP on Ampere ?

Hard to guess.

But the playing field is level on that one. Your "success"
is a function of your memory bus design.

And absolutely no one today, steps outside their comfort
zone on that.

Â*Â* Paul

Definitely not too much to be gained on your regular desktop programs,
more suited to server farms or scientific programs such as Genome
projects I would think.

Rene


Rene