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win98se-win2kpro-winxp home lan
"jankin" wrote in message ... There has to be a FAQ fot this published somewhere. in win2K, I can see the win98SE machine an the win2K machine (My Network) and can read/write data to it. on the win98SE, network neighborhood, I get "unable to browse the network" and cannot read or write to either other machine on the winxp machine, I get nothing either. all 3 machine can hit the internet nicely via the router, all 3 have different IP addresses, are on the same workgroup and have mathcing login names/passwords. I cannot even add the explicit IP as a network place, e.g. in the form of \\192.168.2.x\ help..... - chagin1 @ yahoo . com While testing, do this: - Give each machine a fixed IP address, e.g. 192.168.2.1, 192.168.2.2, 192.168.2.3 - Turn off all firewalls (this is essential!) - Start your tests by pinging each PC from every other PC. Repost if still unable to resolve the issue. |
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"jankin" wrote in message ... In article , says... In article , says... "jankin" wrote in message ... In article , says... ... - Start your tests by pinging each PC from every other PC. ... well, dang - now it gets wierd again. I figured out the win98 problem - a confusion between msdos mode and msdos prompt; ping works in the prompt, but not the mode. Now it gets wierd: the win98 machine can ping both the other machines. The win2K and the winxp machine can ping each other, but NEITHER can ping the win98 machine.....urg, I think I hate windows..... - elmar Let me add the ipconfig /all for the 3 machines... Windows 2000 IP Configuration (no modem, just a NIC) Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : SHINOBI Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : ASUSTeK/Broadcom 440x 10/100 Integrated Controller Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-E0-18-B1-19-C4 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.3 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1 Primary WINS Server . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1 NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled Windows 98 IP Configuration (note, this has a disconnected modem installed) Host Name . . . . . . . . . : athlon DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1 Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . : IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : Yes 0 Ethernet adapter : Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter. Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . : DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255 Primary WINS Server . . . . : Secondary WINS Server . . . : Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 1 Ethernet adapter : Description . . . . . . . . : SMC EZ Card 10/100 (SMC1244TX) Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-50-BF-74-40-27 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.4 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1 Primary WINS Server . . . . : Secondary WINS Server . . . : Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : Lease Expires . . . . . . . : Windows IP Configuration (XP machine, with a wireless and a modem as well as a NIC) Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Flappy Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0E-35-CB-F4-B5 Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/1000 MT Mobile Connection Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-25-13-EF-21 Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.12 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::211:25ff:fe13:ef21% 5 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.2.1 fec0:0:0:ffff::1%2 fec0:0:0:ffff::2%2 fec0:0:0:ffff::3%2 Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo- Interface Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-51-3A-E7-2C-51-23 Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 3ffe:831f:4004:1950:0:513a:e72c:5123 IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::5445:5245:444f%6 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : :: NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled Tunnel adapter Automatic Tunneling Pseudo-Interface: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Automatic Tunneling Pseudo-Interface Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : C0-A8-02-0C Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::5efe:192.168.2.12%2 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : fec0:0:0:ffff::1%2 fec0:0:0:ffff::2%2 fec0:0:0:ffff::3%2 NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled One final piece of data - I CAN connect the XP machine to a share on the 2K machine and read/write to it, but the XP machine tells me that the win98 machine is not accessible (you may not have permission to use this network resource). OTOH, the win2K machine can see, read/write files to the 98 machine fine. grrrrr. Time to uninstall ZoneAlarm. |
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"jankin" wrote in message ... In article , says... One final piece of data - I CAN connect the XP machine to a share on the 2K machine and read/write to it, but the XP machine tells me that the win98 machine is not accessible (you may not have permission to use this network resource). OTOH, the win2K machine can see, read/write files to the 98 machine fine. grrrrr. Time to uninstall ZoneAlarm. I did, and there's no change. The XP machine can't see the win2K machine in the network neighborhood, although it can explicitly link to shared folders on it, and the XP machine cannot connect to the win98 machine shares even though it DOES see it in the network neighborhood. The win32K machine cannot see the XP machine at all either. I have seen a few posts like this one before. In each and every case the OP was prepared to bet a large amount of money on not having a firewall installed, and in each and every case it turned out that it was a firewall that he was not aware of. Now I'm not saying that yours is a firewall issue - I'm simply stating my experience. |
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I had a W2000 machine sharing a printer with another W2000 machine (Both
advanced server I reckon) and for at least a year it told me the printer was not accessible and then printed on it anyway, but it would not let me manage the printer at all. Didn't bother me, all I wanted to do was print, but it was annoying to get the message so I tried just about everything (except the right thing, obviously) to fix it, including reinstall, blah blah blah... Then after all that time and effort I went to use it one night and the problem had gone. I had tried all kinds of option in network settings, wins server stuff, I think the lot, nothing, nada, zilch, then suddenly it worked, so I wish I could tell you what I did in case it had some bearing on your sharing problem but I haven't a clue. Do you have the same services running on the 2000 and XP machines? I have found that network neighborhood (or equivalent) is not always reliable at showing things accurately - ie sometimes a machine does not appear but is there, and my network places seems a bit vague at times too, and sometimes 98 machines would appear 20 minutes later for no apparent reason - I wonder if there's something in the way these items are "Refreshed" that anyone here know of? Some kind of network "Polling" or "Announcement" or something? Charlie "jankin" wrote in message ... In article , says... One final piece of data - I CAN connect the XP machine to a share on the 2K machine and read/write to it, but the XP machine tells me that the win98 machine is not accessible (you may not have permission to use this network resource). OTOH, the win2K machine can see, read/write files to the 98 machine fine. grrrrr. Time to uninstall ZoneAlarm. I did, and there's no change. The XP machine can't see the win2K machine in the network neighborhood, although it can explicitly link to shared folders on it, and the XP machine cannot connect to the win98 machine shares even though it DOES see it in the network neighborhood. The win32K machine cannot see the XP machine at all either. |
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"jankin" wrote in message ... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... Do you have the same services running on the 2000 and XP machines? I have found that network neighborhood (or equivalent) is not always reliable at showing things accurately - ie sometimes a machine does not appear but is there, and my network places seems a bit vague at times too, and sometimes 98 machines would appear 20 minutes later for no apparent reason - I wonder if there's something in the way these items are "Refreshed" that anyone here know of? Some kind of network "Polling" or "Announcement" or something? Charlie Well, I just ran into an article that states one can add netbeui to xp in order to retain compatability with earlier versions. So I will do that as see what I can find. Just to add data, now all works except neither the win2K nor the xp machine can ping the win98 machine although the respond to the win98 machine's pings; all other ping directions also work. Everything else works though (folder and file access, internet access, etc.). Scanning the net, it is obvious that this is not a unique problem and may be unsovable. OK - more data - I changed all 3 firewalls to the symantec client (got rid of zonealarm entirely. NOW the machines can all ping each other! So I have tcpip and netbeui running on all 3 machines, including the xp machine. Two problems remain: 1) the win 98 machine that cannot see or connect to the win2K machine in any manner. The win98 machine has logins enabled and they are used. It can see the xp machine, but it csan't open the shared foldres (demanding a password for IPC$) 2) the win2K machine can see all 3 machines, but cannot get to the xp machines shared folders, rejecting the login unsername & password. Needless top say, these do exist and I am not mispelling them. Nopte that the XP machine can see & connect to all 3 mchines without problems. (and no, I will not change all 3 machine to xp - I need the win98 machine to run legacy programs). Mmh. It seems the firewall ***was*** the problem all along . . . I suggest you get rid of NetBEUI. You don't need it, as TCP/IP will do everything you want. Having an unnecessary protocol will only cloud the issues. About your Win98 problem: Make sure that all machines use the same account / password. Also: Try to walk before you run, by creating an ordinary share on the Win2000 PC instead of trying to connect to the administrative share C$ straight away. About your WinXP problem: Launch "My Computer" on the WinXP PC, then click Tools / Folder Options / View and click "Use simple file sharing". |
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"jankin" wrote in message ... In article , says... Mmh. It seems the firewall ***was*** the problem all along . . . My, doesn't crow taste good? rueful grin This has nothing to do with crowing. I recommended several times that you must uninstall ZoneAlarm, and you actually confirmed, in writing, that you had removed it. It now comes as a bit of a surprise that you misled everyone and did not uninstall it until much, much later. We respondents cannot see your machine - we must rely on your open and honest reports. If they are not open and honest then you're wasting everyone's time. |
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:45:26 GMT, jankin wrote:
I suggest you get rid of NetBEUI. You don't need it, as TCP/IP will do everything you want. Having an unnecessary protocol will only cloud the issues. Won't that destroy the network neighborhood functions, ie. no way to browse the network, etc.? When you installed netbeui you merely replaced the (not working) tcp/ip as the protocol being used to network the machines locally. After you uninstall all the firewalls, if you can ping okay in all directions then you should be able to do away with netbeui since tcp/ip will be working correctly. If you can't ping in all directions then something is still wrong. In theory it should be okay to leave netbeui installed and the two protocols (netbeui and tcp/ip) should happily co-exist but xp doesn't appear to handle this as well as win9x so most pundits reckon just using the one protocol is the best way to go. Jim. |
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If it works, why fix it? Besides the old saw about NETBEUI being safer
from intrusion on internet capable machines. James Egan wrote: When you installed netbeui you merely replaced the (not working) tcp/ip as the protocol being used to network the machines locally. After you uninstall all the firewalls, if you can ping okay in all directions then you should be able to do away with netbeui since tcp/ip will be working correctly. If you can't ping in all directions then something is still wrong. In theory it should be okay to leave netbeui installed and the two protocols (netbeui and tcp/ip) should happily co-exist but xp doesn't appear to handle this as well as win9x so most pundits reckon just using the one protocol is the best way to go. Jim. |
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