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Hello, I need the IP of a poster in newsgroups. I am using Forte Agent
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 18:01:12 +0000, Dan wrote:
Hello, I need the IP of a poster in newsgroups. I am using Forte Agent 8.0. How do I do it? You can check the headers of one of their posts, but that's quite unlikely to produce results. Your best bet is to simply ask the poster to provide the info. If you have a legitimate purpose, they might even comply with your request, although the possibility seems remote. |
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On 2019-01-26 13:01, Dan wrote:
Hello, I need the IP of a poster in newsgroups. I am using Forte Agent 8.0. How do I do it? Thanks in advance. A lot of newsreaders do not show the IP. A lot of users who use newsreaders which do show the IP take steps to hide their real IP, using proxies or whatever. Even if you see the IP, you might not see the _real_ IP; some ISPs, AT&T for example, notoriously reuse IPs so that users might be in Dallas but have an IP showing them to be in Houston. Why do you need this person's IP? Why can't you just ask them where they are? What business is it of yours where they are? |
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 18:01:12 +0000, Dan wrote:
Hello, I need the IP of a poster in newsgroups. I am using Forte Agent 8.0. How do I do it? That`s not possible. You can see all header fields in Agent, but this will only show you the usenet server the user has delivered its message too. But a user might use any news server he likes. |
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On 26/01/2019 18:01, Dan wrote:
Hello, I need the IP of a poster in newsgroups. I am using Forte Agent 8.0. How do I do it? Thanks in advance. If you can, look the group up in Google Groups https://groups.google.com/forum/#!overview Not ALL Usenet groups are there, but most are. (Windows10 is NOT!) Find the thread/post/poster you are looking for, then look in the poster's header. Google displays the IP in the header info. (but it may be incorrect!) HTH -- David B. |
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 15:32:14 -0500, Panthera Tigris Altaica wrote:
On 2019-01-26 13:01, Dan wrote: Hello, I need the IP of a poster in newsgroups. I am using Forte Agent 8.0. How do I do it? Thanks in advance. A lot of newsreaders do not show the IP. No newsreaders add the poster's IP to the message. If the IP is there, it was added by the news *server* and not by the newsreader. Some of my news servers add my IP address to the headers, others do not. My news reader does not make this decision. A lot of users who use newsreaders which do show the IP take steps to hide their real IP, using proxies or whatever. ITYM: "A lot of users who use news *servers* which do show the IP...". A proxy can hide your actual IP from the news *server*, but it makes no difference to the newsreader. Even if you see the IP, you might not see the _real_ IP; some ISPs, AT&T for example, notoriously reuse IPs so that users might be in Dallas but have an IP showing them to be in Houston. Why do you need this person's IP? Why can't you just ask them where they are? What business is it of yours where they are? ________ For other readers with some technical knowledge My newsreader is unable to even see what my real IP address is. I am behind two layers of NAT (Network Address Translation). 1. All my news reader knows is the private IP assigned by the router, 192.168.43.167. Outside my own home network, this address will not find me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network 2. All my router knows is the carrier-grade private IP address assigned by my ISP, 100.85.128.144. Outside my ISP's own network, this address will not find me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT 3. The news server knows my real (external-facing) IP address. -- Kind regards Ralph |
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 18:01:12 +0000, Dan wrote:
Hello, I need the IP of a poster in newsgroups. I am using Forte Agent 8.0. How do I do it? Thanks in advance. 1. Assuming the message body has been downloaded, press 'H' or use "View Show All Header Fields" to see the full headers of the message. This will not work if the body has not been downloaded. 2. Now, check the full headers to see whether the IP address is there. Some news servers will add the IP address to the headers, but many will not. If the IP address is there, it is likely to be in an "NNTP-Posting-Host:" or "Injection-Info:" header. 3. If that doesn't work, you will need a court order to force the news server to reveal the poster's IP address. You will need lots of money for lawyers, and a good case to convince the judge. -- Kind regards Ralph |
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 02:53:36 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:
Ralph Fox wrote: 2. All my router knows is the carrier-grade private IP address assigned by my ISP, 100.85.128.144. Outside my ISP's own network, this address will not find me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT My condolences for your ISP employing CGN. AsiaPac ran out of IP v4 addresses back in 2011. https://www.nic.ad.jp/en/ip/ipv4pool/ My ISP is dealing with the reality we live in. -- Kind regards Ralph |
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Dan wrote:
Hello, I need the IP of a poster in newsgroups. I am using Forte Agent 8.0. How do I do it? You don't get to see any headers that were not: - Added by client. - Added by server (at the injection node). Go look at the settings for your own NNTP client. Does it have one for it to add a header with your current IP address? And what good would that be as it would be for the intranet IP address of your host where you ran your NNTP client or web browser, not the Internet-side of your router or cable modem. The same Intranet IP addresses get used by everyone that has a router (even if built into their cable/DSL modem), so seeing someone posting with 192.168.0.10 or 10.10.0.12 doesn't identify the source since those addresses are shared by everyone with their one intranet (hosts on the LAN-side of the router). Very few users configure their NNTP clients to add a non-standard X header to show their IP address, plus that would be a static setup which means eventually it won't match for a poster who is getting assigned a dynamic IP address by their ISP. A long time ago, NNTP server would add header(s) that contained the IP address of the sender (or for whatever was the host for the NNTP client that connected to the server). One such useful header was named NNTP-Posting-Host. They began removing those headers either under the guise that it was to preserve privacy for the sender, to further eliminate periodic requests from the FBI that locked up their log files, or to [d]evolve their service into an anonymous service. You cannot get a header that was never added. If you have a legal reason for identifying the sender, you will need to contract your own lawyer to send a letter of intent to the injection node Usenet provider (where the sender submitted their article) threatening legal action, or proceed to filing in court to get a case number and then legally notify the sender's Usenet provider. Since Usenet providers don't keep logs for very long, or what they retain does not identify the sender (like not retaining the sender's IP address), or they don't save them at all then they have nothing to give the court. The Usenet provider may add special headers that are used to track them back to the sender; however, those are for cancelling an article, the user's client must comply with the requirements of the Usenet provider on how to request deletion of their article, and the cancel request must be sent in a short time since the logs are typically deleted (the log has a max size, so new entries push out old entries). You will need to use the other headers (both overview and non-overview) if you wish to filter out unwanted posters. Your NNTP client will need to download the full article to have access to all of that article's headers; else, all you get are the overview headers and those are often insufficient to focus on a particular sender. Some clients can use some NNTP commands to have the server do some work but I've not found any servers that support those commands because it makes them do more work than just delivering the message, and they expect you to do search and filtering on your end. So, just who were you trying to killfile? |
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Hash: SHA256 Ralph Fox wrote: On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 02:53:36 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote: Ralph Fox wrote: 2. All my router knows is the carrier-grade private IP address assigned by my ISP, 100.85.128.144. Outside my ISP's own network, this address will not find me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT My condolences for your ISP employing CGN. AsiaPac ran out of IP v4 addresses back in 2011. https://www.nic.ad.jp/en/ip/ipv4pool/ My ISP is dealing with the reality we live in. No v6? Shame. Not that I run v6 myself, as my ISP has enough v4 to hand out to their customers. One of those "I really ought to, but I don't have the time" situations. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEBcqaUD8uEzVNxUrujhHd8xJ5ooEFAlxNnI YACgkQjhHd8xJ5 ooFuSAf+MiuDcnglBOSORfDnnUBxqky1SZW335aQiUySvacXSS THFKbSa6uhrHuI u0iGaC2x6XlgD+qR7ppu9B8atmSuKx/clwYQcctmh3ENam1YJubxKxVNqxwm+FDT aZlzxffJd86C7xpKUmJtwq43Jy2k5EdkbvWiQeNtr1EOr2Mgbv +mMeVoP2R2ByTI jKW2qnS4KnTKmIF6R3DLPsx5VnpVOG9q0qX7Y8qm8G80elyq2Q LMmg2EBFdylcfF eFWbgS8/2QTMaW+BDtDLW6jv79axlM7gSlMaTUMt3+sR6TJfspPFPnoGc/MXvMFS Qd/Fqz/Nl3JToYv1xb8TkTilyks4VA== =BX+g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 |
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On 2019-01-26 21:50, Ralph Fox wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 15:32:14 -0500, Panthera Tigris Altaica wrote: On 2019-01-26 13:01, Dan wrote: Hello, I need the IP of a poster in newsgroups. I am using Forte Agent 8.0. How do I do it? Thanks in advance. A lot of newsreaders do not show the IP. No newsreaders add the poster's IP to the message. If the IP is there, it was added by the news *server* and not by the newsreader. Some of my news servers add my IP address to the headers, others do not. My news reader does not make this decision. A lot of users who use newsreaders which do show the IP take steps to hide their real IP, using proxies or whatever. ITYM: "A lot of users who use news *servers* which do show the IP...". A proxy can hide your actual IP from the news *server*, but it makes no difference to the newsreader. Even if you see the IP, you might not see the _real_ IP; some ISPs, AT&T for example, notoriously reuse IPs so that users might be in Dallas but have an IP showing them to be in Houston. Why do you need this person's IP? Why can't you just ask them where they are? What business is it of yours where they are? ________ For other readers with some technical knowledge My newsreader is unable to even see what my real IP address is. I am behind two layers of NAT (Network Address Translation). 1. All my news reader knows is the private IP assigned by the router, 192.168.43.167. Outside my own home network, this address will not find me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network 2. All my router knows is the carrier-grade private IP address assigned by my ISP, 100.85.128.144. Outside my ISP's own network, this address will not find me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT 3. The news server knows my real (external-facing) IP address. you are, of course, correct. My error. |
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On 2019-01-26 22:02, Ralph Fox wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 18:01:12 +0000, Dan wrote: Hello, I need the IP of a poster in newsgroups. I am using Forte Agent 8.0. How do I do it? Thanks in advance. 1. Assuming the message body has been downloaded, press 'H' or use "View Show All Header Fields" to see the full headers of the message. This will not work if the body has not been downloaded. 2. Now, check the full headers to see whether the IP address is there. Some news servers will add the IP address to the headers, but many will not. If the IP address is there, it is likely to be in an "NNTP-Posting-Host:" or "Injection-Info:" header. 3. If that doesn't work, you will need a court order to force the news server to reveal the poster's IP address. You will need lots of money for lawyers, and a good case to convince the judge. I think that the OP is really the notorious stalker troll David B. under a new nym. David B. has been stalking and attempting to dox multiple posters, including me, for a very long time. See, for example, an exchange from last year: Begin included text: ____________________ On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 4:09:24 AM UTC-5, David B. wrote: On 10/01/2018 23:14, Panthera Tigris Altaica wrote: I would not recommend clicking on any link you suggest thanks to your previous actions. You have no credibility thanks to your previous actions. Jolly Roger has far more credibility than you do. Your unsupported statement carries far less weight than his posts do, again thanks to your previous actions. Because of what I have observed in the past, if you said that water was wet I would require some other person to corroborate your statement. In the meantime, I merely note that you say that quite a few other posters are liars. It is quite noticeable that their lies appear to all be about you. It is also quite noticeable that they tend to be able to support their alleged lies, while you cannot. You cannot, for example, point to the 'invisible, undetectable malware' which you say might (without any supporting evidence whatsoever) be installed by ClamXAV. This 'invisible, undetectable malware' cannot be detected by multiple anti-malware systems. It takes up no space on hard drives. It uses no CPU cycles. It uses no RAM. It makes no network accesses of any kind. Yet you state that it might exists. Some of the poster who you say lie about you have given plausible reasons why you might continue to state that there might be malware installed by ClamXAV; you have not been able to refute them, save by saying that they're lying. It is unlikely that so many other posters are all saying the same lies. It is much more likely that they are not the ones who are lying. You have no credibility at all. I'm saddened that you think so. :-( IP Lookup Result for 216.114.94.12 IP Address: 216.114.94.12 Organization: Palm Beach State College ISP/Hosting: Palm Beach State College Updated: 01/10/2018 03:10 PM City: Lake Worth Country: United States State: Florida Postal Code: 33467 Timezone: America/New_York = Is it nice there? -- “Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.” (Winston S. Churchill) It appears that you are sufficiently incompetent that you think that header information is of significant value. If you check, you will see that my header information shows that I post from multiple locations, including several American institutions of higher education, from landlines run by AT&T, Comcast, Cox, Frontier, Times-Warner, and Verizon, from cellular connections run by AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon. You might detect that my headers say that I'm posting from as far north as Boston, MA, as far south as Miami, FL, and as far west as Dallas, TX. You might even detect that once I posted from North Miami Beach, FL, and less than an hour later from Arlington, TX and less than two hours after that from New York, NY. If, that is, the headers on my posts have any bearing whatsoever on reality. You truly are as incompetent, and as stupid, as so many others have posted. Should you check more closely, you might discover that the alleged Palm Beach State connection was not to a school computer. This may or may not be a clue, or would be if you were even a half-wit. As you do not qualify for that lofty status, do keep trying. _________________ end included text |
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 01:04:58 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
Dan wrote: Hello, I need the IP of a poster in newsgroups. I am using Forte Agent 8.0. How do I do it? You don't get to see any headers that were not: - Added by client. - Added by server (at the injection node). Go look at the settings for your own NNTP client. Does it have one for it to add a header with your current IP address? And what good would that be as it would be for the intranet IP address of your host where you ran your NNTP client or web browser, not the Internet-side of your router or cable modem. The same Intranet IP addresses get used by everyone that has a router (even if built into their cable/DSL modem), so seeing someone posting with 192.168.0.10 or 10.10.0.12 doesn't identify the source since those addresses are shared by everyone with their one intranet (hosts on the LAN-side of the router). Very few users configure their NNTP clients to add a non-standard X header to show their IP address, plus that would be a static setup which means eventually it won't match for a poster who is getting assigned a dynamic IP address by their ISP. A long time ago, NNTP server would add header(s) that contained the IP address of the sender (or for whatever was the host for the NNTP client that connected to the server). One such useful header was named NNTP-Posting-Host. They began removing those headers either under the guise that it was to preserve privacy for the sender, to further eliminate periodic requests from the FBI that locked up their log files, or to [d]evolve their service into an anonymous service. You cannot get a header that was never added. If you have a legal reason for identifying the sender, you will need to contract your own lawyer to send a letter of intent to the injection node Usenet provider (where the sender submitted their article) threatening legal action, or proceed to filing in court to get a case number and then legally notify the sender's Usenet provider. Since Usenet providers don't keep logs for very long, or what they retain does not identify the sender (like not retaining the sender's IP address), or they don't save them at all then they have nothing to give the court. The Usenet provider may add special headers that are used to track them back to the sender; however, those are for cancelling an article, the user's client must comply with the requirements of the Usenet provider on how to request deletion of their article, and the cancel request must be sent in a short time since the logs are typically deleted (the log has a max size, so new entries push out old entries). You will need to use the other headers (both overview and non-overview) if you wish to filter out unwanted posters. Your NNTP client will need to download the full article to have access to all of that article's headers; else, all you get are the overview headers and those are often insufficient to focus on a particular sender. Some clients can use some NNTP commands to have the server do some work but I've not found any servers that support those commands because it makes them do more work than just delivering the message, and they expect you to do search and filtering on your end. So, just who were you trying to killfile? Thanks to all who repled. No, I am not a trouble maker. |
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