Stuck in a loop in downloading, preparing, & installing v1809 in W10 Home Ed. v1803?

Hello.

I'm trying to upgrade a client's Intel NUC's W10 Home Ed. v1803 to
v1809, but it's seems to stuck in a loop in downloading, preparing, and
installing that never finishes (doesn't even ask me to reboot yet!). It
already happened five times as shown in my uploaded
http://screenshot.cz/TE/TE7UT/wuhistory.gif screen shot/capture. As you
can see, it has a lot of free disk space on C: after doing a SSD clone
yesterday with Macrium Reflect v7.2's Win's PE on its original SSD.

What's the problem and how can I fix it? I'm wasting a lot of time
trying to get this upgraded. Thank you for reading and hopefully
answering soon.
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On 20/02/2019 21:36, Ant wrote:
Hello.

I'm trying to upgrade a client's Intel NUC's W10 Home Ed. v1803 to
v1809, but it's seems to stuck in a loop in downloading, preparing, and
installing that never finishes (doesn't even ask me to reboot yet!). It
already happened five times as shown in my uploaded
http://screenshot.cz/TE/TE7UT/wuhistory.gif screen shot/capture. As you
can see, it has a lot of free disk space on C: after doing a SSD clone
yesterday with Macrium Reflect v7.2's Win's PE on its original SSD.

What's the problem and how can I fix it? I'm wasting a lot of time
trying to get this upgraded. Thank you for reading and hopefully
answering soon.

I never let Windows 10 do an auto download/install of a feature update.
Better to download the iso, mount it and run setup.

Ant wrote:
Hello.

I'm trying to upgrade a client's Intel NUC's W10 Home Ed. v1803 to
v1809, but it's seems to stuck in a loop in downloading, preparing, and
installing that never finishes (doesn't even ask me to reboot yet!). It
already happened five times as shown in my uploaded
http://screenshot.cz/TE/TE7UT/wuhistory.gif screen shot/capture. As you
can see, it has a lot of free disk space on C: after doing a SSD clone
yesterday with Macrium Reflect v7.2's Win's PE on its original SSD.

What's the problem and how can I fix it? I'm wasting a lot of time
trying to get this upgraded. Thank you for reading and hopefully
answering soon.

Born is usually a pretty good person for technical references.

https://borncity.com/win/2018/10/13/...or-0x8024200d/

"MessageId: WU_E_UH_NEEDANOTHERDOWNLOAD

MessageText: The update handler did not install the
update because it needs to be downloaded again.

define WU_E_UH_NEEDANOTHERDOWNLOAD _HRESULT_TYPEDEF_(0x8024200DL)

If you search the Internet, you will often find users for whom error
0x8024200D was caused by installed third-party Internet security suites.
These interrupt the update download or damage the files.

In this case, it helps to completely uninstall the third-party virus
scanners or security suite and – if available – run a cleanup tool
from the AV manufacturer to remove any installation remnants. If
necessary, check Windows for damaged files afterwards (see Check and
repair Windows system files and component store).
"

*******

Once you've corrected the AV situation, then you can
look at the health of the Windows stuff itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winsxs...omponent_store)

The standard set of Windows repairs would be:

Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth # checks a flag, comes back in one second

Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /ScanHealth # Scans all 6000 files/packages etc.

Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth # Fixes WinSXS (Component Based Support)

sfc /scannow # Fixes System32

Doing a subset of those before the install attempt,
will give you some idea whether the platform itself
is healthy.

*******

If you use the Windows Update Troubleshooter
in the Control Panels, it would likely reset the
SoftwareDistribution downloads. But Windows Update
is also capable of "checking" the previously
downloaded materials and figuring out which one(s)
are broken. With the error code showing in this
case, I don't see a need to reset Windows Update
with the Troubleshooter.

If you don't know where the Control Panels went, run

control

to get the panel and find the Troubleshooting section.

Paul

I gave up and manually rebooted to retry one more time to see if it
makes any differences. Nope! It again failed with error code: 0x8007003
as shown in my https://i.imgur.com/q4QaQV6.png screen capture/shot.


Ant wrote:
Hello.

I'm trying to upgrade a client's Intel NUC's W10 Home Ed. v1803 to
v1809, but it's seems to stuck in a loop in downloading, preparing, and
installing that never finishes (doesn't even ask me to reboot yet!). It
already happened five times as shown in my uploaded
http://screenshot.cz/TE/TE7UT/wuhistory.gif screen shot/capture. As you
can see, it has a lot of free disk space on C: after doing a SSD clone
yesterday with Macrium Reflect v7.2's Win's PE on its original SSD.

What's the problem and how can I fix it? I'm wasting a lot of time
trying to get this upgraded. Thank you for reading and hopefully
answering soon.

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Ant wrote:
I gave up and manually rebooted to retry one more time to see if it
makes any differences. Nope! It again failed with error code: 0x8007003
as shown in my https://i.imgur.com/q4QaQV6.png screen capture/shot.

Just download the ISO. In fact I has issue with 1803 in Windows with
Media Creation Tool and solved the issue by downloading the ISO with
Linux...

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I tried to view C:\Windows\panther\setuperr.log for clues, but it was from 2018 and
not 1809. Where does 1809 keep its logs?


Ant wrote:
Hello.

I'm trying to upgrade a client's Intel NUC's W10 Home Ed. v1803 to
v1809, but it's seems to stuck in a loop in downloading, preparing, and
installing that never finishes (doesn't even ask me to reboot yet!). It
already happened five times as shown in my uploaded
http://screenshot.cz/TE/TE7UT/wuhistory.gif screen shot/capture. As you
can see, it has a lot of free disk space on C: after doing a SSD clone
yesterday with Macrium Reflect v7.2's Win's PE on its original SSD.

What's the problem and how can I fix it? I'm wasting a lot of time
trying to get this upgraded. Thank you for reading and hopefully
answering soon.

--
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any savage race of men; as a self-educated specialist in several arts
she is the superior of any savage race of men; and in one or two high
mental qualities she is above the reach of any man..." --Mark Twain
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MikeS wrote:
On 20/02/2019 21:36, Ant wrote:
Hello.

I'm trying to upgrade a client's Intel NUC's W10 Home Ed. v1803 to
v1809, but it's seems to stuck in a loop in downloading, preparing, and
installing that never finishes (doesn't even ask me to reboot yet!). It
already happened five times as shown in my uploaded
http://screenshot.cz/TE/TE7UT/wuhistory.gif screen shot/capture. As you
can see, it has a lot of free disk space on C: after doing a SSD clone
yesterday with Macrium Reflect v7.2's Win's PE on its original SSD.

What's the problem and how can I fix it? I'm wasting a lot of time
trying to get this upgraded. Thank you for reading and hopefully
answering soon.

I never let Windows 10 do an auto download/install of a feature update.
Better to download the iso, mount it and run setup.

Yeah, it is not my PC so... So mount it in Windows 10 session to upgrade instead of
using its WU?

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KenW wrote:
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 15:36:24 -0600, NT (Ant) wrote:

Hello.

I'm trying to upgrade a client's Intel NUC's W10 Home Ed. v1803 to
v1809, but it's seems to stuck in a loop in downloading, preparing, and
installing that never finishes (doesn't even ask me to reboot yet!). It
already happened five times as shown in my uploaded
http://screenshot.cz/TE/TE7UT/wuhistory.gif screen shot/capture. As you
can see, it has a lot of free disk space on C: after doing a SSD clone
yesterday with Macrium Reflect v7.2's Win's PE on its original SSD.

What's the problem and how can I fix it? I'm wasting a lot of time
trying to get this upgraded. Thank you for reading and hopefully
answering soon.

Are you doing this with Windows Update or from a downloaded iso ?
Downloaded iso is the preferred method.

WU.
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Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Ant wrote:
I gave up and manually rebooted to retry one more time to see if it
makes any differences. Nope! It again failed with error code: 0x8007003
as shown in my https://i.imgur.com/q4QaQV6.png screen capture/shot.

Just download the ISO. In fact I has issue with 1803 in Windows with
Media Creation Tool and solved the issue by downloading the ISO with
Linux...

So, I just download
https://software-download.microsoft....onTool1809.exe from
https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=691209 from
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 onto that NUC PC's W10
SSD to download its ISO and make a bootable media (e.g., 64 GB USB flash stick)?
Will it upgrade both W10 installations on the two SSDs since I just did a SSD clone
yesterday from a smaller SSD to a bigger SSD? I'd like to see the old smaller SSD
alone in case the bigger SSD's W10 upgrade fail. This is all new to me.

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Ant wrote:
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Ant wrote:
I gave up and manually rebooted to retry one more time to see if it
makes any differences. Nope! It again failed with error code: 0x8007003
as shown in my https://i.imgur.com/q4QaQV6.png screen capture/shot.

Just download the ISO. In fact I has issue with 1803 in Windows with
Media Creation Tool and solved the issue by downloading the ISO with
Linux...

So, I just download
https://software-download.microsoft....onTool1809.exe from
https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=691209 from
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 onto that NUC PC's W10
SSD to download its ISO and make a bootable media (e.g., 64 GB USB flash stick)?
Will it upgrade both W10 installations on the two SSDs since I just did a SSD clone
yesterday from a smaller SSD to a bigger SSD? I'd like to see the old smaller SSD
alone in case the bigger SSD's W10 upgrade fail. This is all new to me.


With the SSD OS booted, right click the ISO you downloaded
and select "Mount". This creates a virtual DVD drive.

Execute "setup.exe" off the 4.7GB virtual DVD drive.
Now, you'll be doing an Upgrade Install.

You don't need to create boot media (USB stick) unless you
plan on "Clean Install" or need the boot media to boot
a "sick" computer and do CHKDSK from Command Prompt.

As for doing "two OSes", you don't have to. You could
clone the SSD back to the eMMC on the NUC. But before you
do that, run "cleanmgr.exe" when the SSD install is finished
and remove the Windows.old in the system menu. Cleanmgr
has two levels, and you click the button in the regular
window, to cause Cleanmgr to restart in full mode wo
that the 20GB Windows.old can be removed. Do *not*
try to remove Windows.old by tossing in the trash.
That makes one hell of a mess. (You won't be able to
remove the Office hub VFS entries.)

You can also choose to boot the eMMC as long
as the NUC has "popup boot" and you select the
eMMC from the menu. But for an OS Upgrade Install,
you would really want to adjust the boot order
first so that the eMMC comes up every time without
human help. And then the whole Upgrade on the eMMC
can be unattended. I've forgotten to do that and
had to "babysit" each reboot of the Upgrade install
until it was finished. Not pleasant.

This is nothing that someone who installs OSes for
a living, hasn't done before, right ? If you can't
set the BIOS boot order, the job will be unnecessarily
tough (doing a second install so both storage devices
are logically at the same level).

Note that, when youi make a clone, Macrium adjusted
some identifiers so the two storage devices would
not "clash". If you used dd.exe to copy the eMMC to
the SSD, that would have spelled trouble. Macrium adjusts
the GUID of the target disk, and fixes the BCD boot menu
entries so the new drive boots without issue. When you
clone the SSD back to the eMMC, it will do the same thing,
pick a new random GUID and fix up the boot.

Summary:

1) Upgrade install SSD, clone back to eMMC, deleting
Windows.old due to space concerns.

2) Alternately, adjust boot order, boot eMMC, run "setup.exe"
off ISO virtual DVD drive when eMMC is booted, and do a
second install.

This runs the risk the install could run out of space, *but*, with
the SSD present, the installer could use the SSD for temporary
space purposes. On some portable devices in the past, it might
have taken 8GB to 16GB of adjunct storage to finish the
Upgrade Install of an eMMC 32GB stinker of a C: drive.

Those are your choices, (1) or (2), which ever is easier
with the materials on hand.

Paul

Ant wrote:
I tried to view C:\Windows\panther\setuperr.log for clues, but it was from 2018 and
not 1809. Where does 1809 keep its logs?

An install reboots multiple times.

During the first stage of the install, one file
is used for install status.

During the subsequent stages, the install log is
kept in a second place. This means the details aren't
in just one file.

The time stamps on the two files will differ. Some
stages of installation don't know what the time zone
is, and the file system time stamp will be off a bit.
The files, if recently used, shouldn't be off by more than
half a day or so. If an install fails during the first
stage, the time stamp on the second stage file won't
change.

Just scan for everything ending in "ext:log" and
sort by date. You're bound to find something...

The "error messages" is *not* at the end of the file.
An error happens, and the machine spends an hour "rolling
back" the installation, while it continues to enter log
messages about the rollback. That means the error message
is in the middle of the file. You have to play "detective"
to find the root cause.

Paul

NT (Ant) wrote in
:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Ant wrote:
I gave up and manually rebooted to retry one more time to see if it
makes any differences. Nope! It again failed with error code:
0x8007003 as shown in my https://i.imgur.com/q4QaQV6.png screen
capture/shot.

Just download the ISO. In fact I has issue with 1803 in Windows with
Media Creation Tool and solved the issue by downloading the ISO with
Linux...

So, I just download
https://software-download.microsoft....CreationTool18
09.exe from https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=691209 from
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 onto that
NUC PC's W10 SSD to download its ISO and make a bootable media (e.g.,
64 GB USB flash stick)? Will it upgrade both W10 installations on the
two SSDs since I just did a SSD clone yesterday from a smaller SSD to
a bigger SSD? I'd like to see the old smaller SSD alone in case the
bigger SSD's W10 upgrade fail. This is all new to me.

If you boot from that USB stick it will do a CLEAN install of Windows,
which means wiping out all of your third party apps, and possibly your
user data. What you want to do is either open the USB stick and run
setup.exe if you just downloaded the update. If you downloaded it as an
ISO you need to mount the ISO, then run setup exe from it. That way it
acts the same as if you were letting Windows Update do it.

I use VirtualCloneDrive from Elaborate Bytes. Never had a problem with it
at all.

Paul wrote:
Ant wrote:
I tried to view C:\Windows\panther\setuperr.log for clues, but it was from 2018 and
not 1809. Where does 1809 keep its logs?

An install reboots multiple times.

During the first stage of the install, one file
is used for install status.

During the subsequent stages, the install log is
kept in a second place. This means the details aren't
in just one file.

The time stamps on the two files will differ. Some
stages of installation don't know what the time zone
is, and the file system time stamp will be off a bit.
The files, if recently used, shouldn't be off by more than
half a day or so. If an install fails during the first
stage, the time stamp on the second stage file won't
change.

Just scan for everything ending in "ext:log" and
sort by date. You're bound to find something...

The "error messages" is *not* at the end of the file.
An error happens, and the machine spends an hour "rolling
back" the installation, while it continues to enter log
messages about the rollback. That means the error message
is in the middle of the file. You have to play "detective"
to find the root cause.

Wow, MS really made this dang complicated. I will have to check them out
tomorrow. Argh!

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lonelydad wrote:
NT (Ant) wrote in
:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Ant wrote:
I gave up and manually rebooted to retry one more time to see if it
makes any differences. Nope! It again failed with error code:
0x8007003 as shown in my https://i.imgur.com/q4QaQV6.png screen
capture/shot.
Just download the ISO. In fact I has issue with 1803 in Windows with
Media Creation Tool and solved the issue by downloading the ISO with
Linux...
So, I just download
https://software-download.microsoft....CreationTool18
09.exe from https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=691209 from
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 onto that
NUC PC's W10 SSD to download its ISO and make a bootable media (e.g.,
64 GB USB flash stick)? Will it upgrade both W10 installations on the
two SSDs since I just did a SSD clone yesterday from a smaller SSD to
a bigger SSD? I'd like to see the old smaller SSD alone in case the
bigger SSD's W10 upgrade fail. This is all new to me.

If you boot from that USB stick it will do a CLEAN install of Windows,
which means wiping out all of your third party apps, and possibly your
user data. What you want to do is either open the USB stick and run
setup.exe if you just downloaded the update. If you downloaded it as an
ISO you need to mount the ISO, then run setup exe from it. That way it
acts the same as if you were letting Windows Update do it.

I use VirtualCloneDrive from Elaborate Bytes. Never had a problem with it
at all.

But you don't even need to do that.

Stage the 5,075,539,968 byte ISO file ("Windows10_x64.iso" or similar)
right on the NUC storage, while the NUC is booted into Windows 10.
Right-click the ISO and select "mount". (Windows 10 can mount ISO
files and VHD files.) Then run setup.exe off the virtual DVD drive
letter you see appear in the File Explorer window.

When the first stage of installation is finished, the ISO will be
dismounted during reboot, and is not needed for any subsequent
stages of installation. All required files have been copied
once the ISO is dismounted, so there are no hassles with media
after the first reboot.

Paul

Ant wrote:


Wow, MS really made this dang complicated. I will have to check them out
tomorrow. Argh!

I will grant you that they could have done a much better job.

It's not even clear how the logfiles aid their own Support
staff, who help customers who have install problems. We hear
enough reports of Support being "stumped" by a lot of stuff.
How is the dreck in those logs, helping anyone ? A single
hex error number, is about the best evidence you get.

There was a promise at one time, of a sort of "remote control",
where the "telemetry" in Windows 10 would allow recognizing
"failure patterns" and improving product quality just by
looking at some summary spread sheets. I see no such signal
emerging from the noise of how they do stuff. The fact they
waited to do the 1809 install until one month before
the end of 1809, shows they're still taking baby steps.

Paul