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Teamviewer free for non commercialuse?
I have Teamviewer 13 on my Windows 10 machine.
I want to use it with my MacBook which has OSX 10.7. Teamviewer 11 is the highest 10.7 can run so I installed that. Teamviewer 11 would only run for a second so I tried Teamviewer 10. That works but the connection from the Windows 10 machine times out after about a minute and I am advised to buy a licence. It's apparently no longer free for non-commercial use. |
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On 2019-03-06, Lucifer wrote:
I have Teamviewer 13 on my Windows 10 machine. I want to use it with my MacBook which has OSX 10.7. Teamviewer 11 is the highest 10.7 can run so I installed that. Teamviewer 11 would only run for a second so I tried Teamviewer 10. That works but the connection from the Windows 10 machine times out after about a minute and I am advised to buy a licence. It's apparently no longer free for non-commercial use. It is, but TeamViewer reserves the right to determine what constitutes "commercial use" and they use some kind of algorithm in their software to determine when such use occurs. I don't know what the criteria are. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Roger Blake wrote:
On 2019-03-06, Lucifer wrote: I have Teamviewer 13 on my Windows 10 machine. I want to use it with my MacBook which has OSX 10.7. Teamviewer 11 is the highest 10.7 can run so I installed that. Teamviewer 11 would only run for a second so I tried Teamviewer 10. That works but the connection from the Windows 10 machine times out after about a minute and I am advised to buy a licence. It's apparently no longer free for non-commercial use. It is, but TeamViewer reserves the right to determine what constitutes "commercial use" and they use some kind of algorithm in their software to determine when such use occurs. I don't know what the criteria are. Maybe Lucifer is using his own domain ? Maybe if the IP address "looked" like a home account, it would get the free treatment ? Paul |
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On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 02:23:54 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote: On 2019-03-06, Lucifer wrote: I have Teamviewer 13 on my Windows 10 machine. I want to use it with my MacBook which has OSX 10.7. Teamviewer 11 is the highest 10.7 can run so I installed that. Teamviewer 11 would only run for a second so I tried Teamviewer 10. That works but the connection from the Windows 10 machine times out after about a minute and I am advised to buy a licence. It's apparently no longer free for non-commercial use. It is, but TeamViewer reserves the right to determine what constitutes "commercial use" and they use some kind of algorithm in their software to determine when such use occurs. I don't know what the criteria are. I installed Teamviewer 14 (latest) on Windows 10 making sure to check the box for non-commercial use. Could the problem be with the Macbook end? |
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Lucifer wrote:
I have Teamviewer 13 on my Windows 10 machine. I want to use it with my MacBook which has OSX 10.7. Teamviewer 11 is the highest 10.7 can run so I installed that. Teamviewer 11 would only run for a second so I tried Teamviewer 10. That works but the connection from the Windows 10 machine times out after about a minute and I am advised to buy a licence. It's apparently no longer free for non-commercial use. Last I used Teamview, yep, it had a free version. However, I doubt running it server to listen for inbound connection requests constitutes personal use. You are running a server process all the time that will accept inbound connects at any time instead of a personal scenario where you tell the remote user to to connect to Teamviewer's site server to enter a token that lets you then connect to that remote host. You don't need to "install" Teamviewer when using the one-time scenario where a user at both ends are involved: one to initiate a session at Teamviewer's server that gets a token that the other user inputs to connect to that session. https://www.teamviewer.com/en/creden...-personal-use/ If you want a continuously loaded server process listening for inbound connection requests to a remote host, look at using one of the free VNC derivatives. You will have to install the VNC server on the remote host, configure your software firewall to allow unsolicited inbound connections to whatever port on which the VNC server is listening, probably have to punch through your router's firewall (to redirect inbound connects on that port to your VNC server-ed host), and your host would need to know that is the current WAN-side IP address of your router at the remote host (unless you employ dynamic DNS to use a hostname that points to whatever is the current WAN-side IP address of your remote host's router). TeamViewer, Logmein, mikogo, and other remoting services eliminate all that setup (by the endpoint hosts making outbound HTTP connects which firewalls and routers are configured to allow by default). You could ask over at https://community.teamviewer.com/ as to what constitutes "personal use" (versus business use). From: https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...age/ta-p/33153 there is a link to "How is exactly "private-use" defined?" which points to: https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...ined/ta-p/4712 No idea which edition of Windows or MacOS you are using. If it is a server editing then use of TeamViewer is automatically classified as business use. Another link points to: https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...ined/ta-p/4712 Which option did you pick when installing the local TeamViewer client? When you install TeamViewer, it records an ID string (probably in the hashed part of the registry that is unavailable even to admins via regedit.exe and must be access programmatically using the crypto API). Uninstalling TeamViewer and reinstalling it will not erase the ID, so a later install has you using the same ID. If you ever installed as commercial or commercial+personUse then the ID remains to mark you as a commeral-use customer. From what I've seen in their forums, you have to contact TeamViewer to get your ID re-classified. Also, as I recall, there may be a limit or quota on how many times per month you can connect to a remote host. The quota isn't just how many times you connect to one remote host but also to how many remote hosts you used TeamViewer. Some users in their forums said the limit for maximum number of remote hosts was 50 which should be well within the range to cover friends and family and your own hosts. For example: https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...mit/td-p/24663 where the GordonSE03 user noted that her spouse was getting locked out a few times because he was abusing his personal-use license by making an a large number of connections to an excessive number remote hosts (35, in his case, so the max remot host quota might be less than 50). I doubt you will eliminate their nagware screen attempting to get freeloaders to buy their payware subscriptions. It's often the cost of using freeware. Good luck, for example, in finding a truly freeware Android app that has no ads. |
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On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 22:03:43 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
Lucifer wrote: I have Teamviewer 13 on my Windows 10 machine. I want to use it with my MacBook which has OSX 10.7. Teamviewer 11 is the highest 10.7 can run so I installed that. Teamviewer 11 would only run for a second so I tried Teamviewer 10. That works but the connection from the Windows 10 machine times out after about a minute and I am advised to buy a licence. It's apparently no longer free for non-commercial use. Last I used Teamview, yep, it had a free version. Must be something to do with the MacBook. However, I doubt running it server to listen for inbound connection requests constitutes personal use. You are running a server process all the time that will accept inbound connects at any time instead of a personal scenario where you tell the remote user to to connect to Teamviewer's site server to enter a token that lets you then connect to that remote host. I don't do that. You don't need to "install" Teamviewer when using the one-time scenario where a user at both ends are involved: one to initiate a session at Teamviewer's server that gets a token that the other user inputs to connect to that session. https://www.teamviewer.com/en/creden...-personal-use/ The website says; From the very beginning, TeamViewer has been available to everyone completely free of charge for personal, non-commercial use. That's no longer true. The non-commercial version times out after two minutes then says I need to buy a licence. But they don't offer free licences. If you want a continuously loaded server process listening for inbound connection requests to a remote host, look at using one of the free VNC derivatives. You will have to install the VNC server on the remote host, configure your software firewall to allow unsolicited inbound connections to whatever port on which the VNC server is listening, probably have to punch through your router's firewall (to redirect inbound connects on that port to your VNC server-ed host), and your host would need to know that is the current WAN-side IP address of your router at the remote host (unless you employ dynamic DNS to use a hostname that points to whatever is the current WAN-side IP address of your remote host's router). TeamViewer, Logmein, mikogo, and other remoting services eliminate all that setup (by the endpoint hosts making outbound HTTP connects which firewalls and routers are configured to allow by default). That doesn't interest me. You could ask over at https://community.teamviewer.com/ as to what constitutes "personal use" (versus business use). From: https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...age/ta-p/33153 there is a link to "How is exactly "private-use" defined?" which points to: https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...ined/ta-p/4712 No idea which edition of Windows or MacOS you are using. If it is a server editing then use of TeamViewer is automatically classified as business use. Another link points to: https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...ined/ta-p/4712 Which option did you pick when installing the local TeamViewer client? When you install TeamViewer, it records an ID string (probably in the hashed part of the registry that is unavailable even to admins via regedit.exe and must be access programmatically using the crypto API). Uninstalling TeamViewer and reinstalling it will not erase the ID, so a later install has you using the same ID. If you ever installed as commercial or commercial+personUse then the ID remains to mark you as a commeral-use customer. From what I've seen in their forums, you have to contact TeamViewer to get your ID re-classified. Also, as I recall, there may be a limit or quota on how many times per month you can connect to a remote host. The quota isn't just how many times you connect to one remote host but also to how many remote hosts you used TeamViewer. Some users in their forums said the limit for maximum number of remote hosts was 50 which should be well within the range to cover friends and family and your own hosts. For example: https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...mit/td-p/24663 where the GordonSE03 user noted that her spouse was getting locked out a few times because he was abusing his personal-use license by making an a large number of connections to an excessive number remote hosts (35, in his case, so the max remot host quota might be less than 50). I doubt you will eliminate their nagware screen attempting to get freeloaders to buy their payware subscriptions. It's often the cost of using freeware. Good luck, for example, in finding a truly freeware Android app that has no ads. The Macbook has OSX 10.7 because that is the highest OS it can use. |
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wrote: If you want a continuously loaded server process listening for inbound connection requests to a remote host, look at using one of the free VNC derivatives. You will have to install the VNC server on the remote host, configure your software firewall to allow unsolicited inbound connections to whatever port on which the VNC server is listening, probably have to punch through your router's firewall (to redirect inbound connects on that port to your VNC server-ed host), and your host would need to know that is the current WAN-side IP address of your router at the remote host (unless you employ dynamic DNS to use a hostname that points to whatever is the current WAN-side IP address of your remote host's router). TeamViewer, Logmein, mikogo, and other remoting services eliminate all that setup (by the endpoint hosts making outbound HTTP connects which firewalls and routers are configured to allow by default). That doesn't interest me. it's also a very bad idea. The Macbook has OSX 10.7 because that is the highest OS it can use. which means it's about 12 years old. the best solution is to replace it with a more recent laptop, new or used, mac or pc, and use a later version of teamviewer or any of its competitors. |
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Lucifer wrote:
I have Teamviewer 13 on my Windows 10 machine. I want to use it with my MacBook which has OSX 10.7. Teamviewer 11 is the highest 10.7 can run so I installed that. Teamviewer 11 would only run for a second so I tried Teamviewer 10. That works but the connection from the Windows 10 machine times out after about a minute and I am advised to buy a licence. It's apparently no longer free for non-commercial use. https://handshake.co.za/2018/teamvie...suspected-fix/ The last person to modify their device identifiers had the change work on "February 25, 2019". That's the entry at the very bottom of the page. A Firewire interface can have a MAC address too, and you can switch off the Firewire in the BIOS. Then, perhaps, it won't matter. Paul |
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On 3/5/19 11:03 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Lucifer wrote: I have Teamviewer 13 on my Windows 10 machine. I want to use it with my MacBook which has OSX 10.7. Teamviewer 11 is the highest 10.7 can run so I installed that. Teamviewer 11 would only run for a second so I tried Teamviewer 10. That works but the connection from the Windows 10 machine times out after about a minute and I am advised to buy a licence. It's apparently no longer free for non-commercial use. Last I used Teamview, yep, it had a free version. However, I doubt running it server to listen for inbound connection requests constitutes personal use. You are running a server process all the time that will accept inbound connects at any time instead of a personal scenario where you tell the remote user to to connect to Teamviewer's site server to enter a token that lets you then connect to that remote host. You don't need to "install" Teamviewer when using the one-time scenario where a user at both ends are involved: one to initiate a session at Teamviewer's server that gets a token that the other user inputs to connect to that session. https://www.teamviewer.com/en/creden...-personal-use/ If you want a continuously loaded server process listening for inbound connection requests to a remote host, look at using one of the free VNC derivatives. You will have to install the VNC server on the remote host, configure your software firewall to allow unsolicited inbound connections to whatever port on which the VNC server is listening, probably have to punch through your router's firewall (to redirect inbound connects on that port to your VNC server-ed host), and your host would need to know that is the current WAN-side IP address of your router at the remote host (unless you employ dynamic DNS to use a hostname that points to whatever is the current WAN-side IP address of your remote host's router). TeamViewer, Logmein, mikogo, and other remoting services eliminate all that setup (by the endpoint hosts making outbound HTTP connects which firewalls and routers are configured to allow by default). You could ask over at https://community.teamviewer.com/ as to what constitutes "personal use" (versus business use). From: https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...age/ta-p/33153 there is a link to "How is exactly "private-use" defined?" which points to: https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...ined/ta-p/4712 No idea which edition of Windows or MacOS you are using. If it is a server editing then use of TeamViewer is automatically classified as business use. Another link points to: https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...ined/ta-p/4712 Which option did you pick when installing the local TeamViewer client? When you install TeamViewer, it records an ID string (probably in the hashed part of the registry that is unavailable even to admins via regedit.exe and must be access programmatically using the crypto API). Uninstalling TeamViewer and reinstalling it will not erase the ID, so a later install has you using the same ID. If you ever installed as commercial or commercial+personUse then the ID remains to mark you as a commeral-use customer. From what I've seen in their forums, you have to contact TeamViewer to get your ID re-classified. Also, as I recall, there may be a limit or quota on how many times per month you can connect to a remote host. The quota isn't just how many times you connect to one remote host but also to how many remote hosts you used TeamViewer. Some users in their forums said the limit for maximum number of remote hosts was 50 which should be well within the range to cover friends and family and your own hosts. For example: https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...mit/td-p/24663 where the GordonSE03 user noted that her spouse was getting locked out a few times because he was abusing his personal-use license by making an a large number of connections to an excessive number remote hosts (35, in his case, so the max remot host quota might be less than 50). I doubt you will eliminate their nagware screen attempting to get freeloaders to buy their payware subscriptions. It's often the cost of using freeware. Good luck, for example, in finding a truly freeware Android app that has no ads. I have installed TV14 on 3 machines in the family and all are waiting for me to call (as a server as you call it). I'm still running free version. |
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... I have installed TV14 on 3 machines in the family and all are waiting for me to call (as a server as you call it). I'm still running free version. I use it for the same to offer computer support to my parents, including maintaining a website that they run. I also used to use it for accessing my "server" computer from a laptop in my bedroom or from my phone. Something in the usage that I used triggered the "you are using Teamviewer professionally" warnings. I never did find out what I'd done "wrong" that had triggered the warning - they never answered that question when I contacted them. I had to fill in a declaration that I really was using Teamviewer only for in-home use and for helping friends and family, and they restored normal service. But I'm cautious about using Teamviewer "too much" so I've installed Real VNC server on my "server" PC and it was included in Raspian on my Raspberry Pi, and I've got the client on my laptop and mobile phone. RealVNC seems to be as good as TV, although with an Android client it does have the annoying fact that a right-click in Windows requires a double-tap (which is more difficult to achieve on a mobile phone) rather than a long press that TV uses. Also RealVNC doesn't have file-transfer capabilities unless you pay for a subscription which also allows two computers on the same LAN to communicate within the LAN, rather than (AFAIK) requiring traffic to go up to RealVNC's server and then back down the same connection to the other computer. The RaspPi server does support direct, but the Windows server requires cloud traffic and so is slower - especially when I have a pathetic 1500/448 kbps (kilo, not mega) bit/sec connection. |
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NY wrote:
"Big Al" wrote in message ... I have installed TV14 on 3 machines in the family and all are waiting for me to call (as a server as you call it). I'm still running free version. I use it for the same to offer computer support to my parents, including maintaining a website that they run. I also used to use it for accessing my "server" computer from a laptop in my bedroom or from my phone. Something in the usage that I used triggered the "you are using Teamviewer professionally" warnings. I never did find out what I'd done "wrong" that had triggered the warning - they never answered that question when I contacted them. I had to fill in a declaration that I really was using Teamviewer only for in-home use and for helping friends and family, and they restored normal service. But I'm cautious about using Teamviewer "too much" so I've installed Real VNC server on my "server" PC and it was included in Raspian on my Raspberry Pi, and I've got the client on my laptop and mobile phone. RealVNC seems to be as good as TV, although with an Android client it does have the annoying fact that a right-click in Windows requires a double-tap (which is more difficult to achieve on a mobile phone) rather than a long press that TV uses. Also RealVNC doesn't have file-transfer capabilities unless you pay for a subscription which also allows two computers on the same LAN to communicate within the LAN, rather than (AFAIK) requiring traffic to go up to RealVNC's server and then back down the same connection to the other computer. The RaspPi server does support direct, but the Windows server requires cloud traffic and so is slower - especially when I have a pathetic 1500/448 kbps (kilo, not mega) bit/sec connection. Both TightVNC and UltraVNC have the file transfer feature. Both are free; i.e., there is no payware version as with RealVNC. Licensing for RealVNC is proprietary while TightVNC (and its subsequent TigerVNC derivative) and UltraVNC are GPL. https://www.tightvnc.com/intro.php File transfers in versions for Windows. You can upload files from your local machine to the TightVNC Server, and download files from the server to your computer. TigerVNC was a fork and added some features to TightVNC. While TV (and UltraVNC) has the file transfer feature, seems to duplicate what you could do using an FTP server on your host(s). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...sktop_software That gives a list of numerous VNC variants or other remoting software. There is a table showing which work on which OS. Since the OP mentioned Mac OS X, he'd have to check if an alternative to TeamViewer supported his OS/X host. For example, TightVNC and Tiger VNC support OS/X clients but not OS/X servers while RealVNC does. As I mentioned, installing TeamViewer add a registry key that assigns you an ID, and that ID gets registered at TeamViewer regarding its licensing as to personal or business use. Some users that found they had somehow got switched to business-use had to contact TeamViewer to get it switched back to personal-use. Something about where they used it, like on a server OS, or how many hosts to which they were connecting triggered a change on their ID registration. |
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