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Old March 6th 19, 02:32 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Teamviewer free for non commercialuse?

I have Teamviewer 13 on my Windows 10 machine.
I want to use it with my MacBook which has OSX 10.7.
Teamviewer 11 is the highest 10.7 can run so I installed
that. Teamviewer 11 would only run for a second so I
tried Teamviewer 10. That works but the connection
from the Windows 10 machine times out after about
a minute and I am advised to buy a licence.
It's apparently no longer free for non-commercial use.
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Old March 6th 19, 03:23 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Teamviewer free for non commercialuse?

On 2019-03-06, Lucifer wrote:
I have Teamviewer 13 on my Windows 10 machine.
I want to use it with my MacBook which has OSX 10.7.
Teamviewer 11 is the highest 10.7 can run so I installed
that. Teamviewer 11 would only run for a second so I
tried Teamviewer 10. That works but the connection
from the Windows 10 machine times out after about
a minute and I am advised to buy a licence.
It's apparently no longer free for non-commercial use.


It is, but TeamViewer reserves the right to determine what constitutes
"commercial use" and they use some kind of algorithm in their software
to determine when such use occurs. I don't know what the criteria are.

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Old March 6th 19, 03:30 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Teamviewer free for non commercialuse?

Roger Blake wrote:
On 2019-03-06, Lucifer wrote:
I have Teamviewer 13 on my Windows 10 machine.
I want to use it with my MacBook which has OSX 10.7.
Teamviewer 11 is the highest 10.7 can run so I installed
that. Teamviewer 11 would only run for a second so I
tried Teamviewer 10. That works but the connection
from the Windows 10 machine times out after about
a minute and I am advised to buy a licence.
It's apparently no longer free for non-commercial use.


It is, but TeamViewer reserves the right to determine what constitutes
"commercial use" and they use some kind of algorithm in their software
to determine when such use occurs. I don't know what the criteria are.


Maybe Lucifer is using his own domain ?

Maybe if the IP address "looked" like a home
account, it would get the free treatment ?

Paul
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Old March 6th 19, 03:33 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Lucifer
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Default Teamviewer free for non commercialuse?

On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 02:23:54 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2019-03-06, Lucifer wrote:
I have Teamviewer 13 on my Windows 10 machine.
I want to use it with my MacBook which has OSX 10.7.
Teamviewer 11 is the highest 10.7 can run so I installed
that. Teamviewer 11 would only run for a second so I
tried Teamviewer 10. That works but the connection
from the Windows 10 machine times out after about
a minute and I am advised to buy a licence.
It's apparently no longer free for non-commercial use.


It is, but TeamViewer reserves the right to determine what constitutes
"commercial use" and they use some kind of algorithm in their software
to determine when such use occurs. I don't know what the criteria are.


I installed Teamviewer 14 (latest) on Windows 10 making sure to
check the box for non-commercial use. Could the problem be with
the Macbook end?
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Old March 6th 19, 05:03 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Teamviewer free for non commercialuse?

Lucifer wrote:

I have Teamviewer 13 on my Windows 10 machine. I want to use it with
my MacBook which has OSX 10.7. Teamviewer 11 is the highest 10.7 can
run so I installed that. Teamviewer 11 would only run for a second so
I tried Teamviewer 10. That works but the connection from the Windows
10 machine times out after about a minute and I am advised to buy a
licence. It's apparently no longer free for non-commercial use.


Last I used Teamview, yep, it had a free version. However, I doubt
running it server to listen for inbound connection requests constitutes
personal use. You are running a server process all the time that will
accept inbound connects at any time instead of a personal scenario where
you tell the remote user to to connect to Teamviewer's site server to
enter a token that lets you then connect to that remote host.

You don't need to "install" Teamviewer when using the one-time scenario
where a user at both ends are involved: one to initiate a session at
Teamviewer's server that gets a token that the other user inputs to
connect to that session.

https://www.teamviewer.com/en/creden...-personal-use/

If you want a continuously loaded server process listening for inbound
connection requests to a remote host, look at using one of the free VNC
derivatives. You will have to install the VNC server on the remote
host, configure your software firewall to allow unsolicited inbound
connections to whatever port on which the VNC server is listening,
probably have to punch through your router's firewall (to redirect
inbound connects on that port to your VNC server-ed host), and your host
would need to know that is the current WAN-side IP address of your
router at the remote host (unless you employ dynamic DNS to use a
hostname that points to whatever is the current WAN-side IP address of
your remote host's router). TeamViewer, Logmein, mikogo, and other
remoting services eliminate all that setup (by the endpoint hosts making
outbound HTTP connects which firewalls and routers are configured to
allow by default).

You could ask over at https://community.teamviewer.com/ as to what
constitutes "personal use" (versus business use). From:

https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...age/ta-p/33153

there is a link to "How is exactly "private-use" defined?" which points
to:

https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...ined/ta-p/4712

No idea which edition of Windows or MacOS you are using. If it is a
server editing then use of TeamViewer is automatically classified as
business use. Another link points to:

https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...ined/ta-p/4712

Which option did you pick when installing the local TeamViewer client?
When you install TeamViewer, it records an ID string (probably in the
hashed part of the registry that is unavailable even to admins via
regedit.exe and must be access programmatically using the crypto API).
Uninstalling TeamViewer and reinstalling it will not erase the ID, so a
later install has you using the same ID. If you ever installed as
commercial or commercial+personUse then the ID remains to mark you as a
commeral-use customer. From what I've seen in their forums, you have to
contact TeamViewer to get your ID re-classified.

Also, as I recall, there may be a limit or quota on how many times per
month you can connect to a remote host. The quota isn't just how many
times you connect to one remote host but also to how many remote hosts
you used TeamViewer. Some users in their forums said the limit for
maximum number of remote hosts was 50 which should be well within the
range to cover friends and family and your own hosts. For example:

https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...mit/td-p/24663

where the GordonSE03 user noted that her spouse was getting locked out a
few times because he was abusing his personal-use license by making an a
large number of connections to an excessive number remote hosts (35, in
his case, so the max remot host quota might be less than 50).

I doubt you will eliminate their nagware screen attempting to get
freeloaders to buy their payware subscriptions. It's often the cost of
using freeware. Good luck, for example, in finding a truly freeware
Android app that has no ads.
  #6  
Old March 6th 19, 06:26 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Lucifer
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Default Teamviewer free for non commercialuse?

On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 22:03:43 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

Lucifer wrote:

I have Teamviewer 13 on my Windows 10 machine. I want to use it with
my MacBook which has OSX 10.7. Teamviewer 11 is the highest 10.7 can
run so I installed that. Teamviewer 11 would only run for a second so
I tried Teamviewer 10. That works but the connection from the Windows
10 machine times out after about a minute and I am advised to buy a
licence. It's apparently no longer free for non-commercial use.


Last I used Teamview, yep, it had a free version.


Must be something to do with the MacBook.

However, I doubt
running it server to listen for inbound connection requests constitutes
personal use. You are running a server process all the time that will
accept inbound connects at any time instead of a personal scenario where
you tell the remote user to to connect to Teamviewer's site server to
enter a token that lets you then connect to that remote host.


I don't do that.

You don't need to "install" Teamviewer when using the one-time scenario
where a user at both ends are involved: one to initiate a session at
Teamviewer's server that gets a token that the other user inputs to
connect to that session.

https://www.teamviewer.com/en/creden...-personal-use/


The website says;
From the very beginning, TeamViewer has been available to everyone
completely free of charge for personal, non-commercial use.


That's no longer true. The non-commercial version times out
after two minutes then says I need to buy a licence.
But they don't offer free licences.

If you want a continuously loaded server process listening for inbound
connection requests to a remote host, look at using one of the free VNC
derivatives. You will have to install the VNC server on the remote
host, configure your software firewall to allow unsolicited inbound
connections to whatever port on which the VNC server is listening,
probably have to punch through your router's firewall (to redirect
inbound connects on that port to your VNC server-ed host), and your host
would need to know that is the current WAN-side IP address of your
router at the remote host (unless you employ dynamic DNS to use a
hostname that points to whatever is the current WAN-side IP address of
your remote host's router). TeamViewer, Logmein, mikogo, and other
remoting services eliminate all that setup (by the endpoint hosts making
outbound HTTP connects which firewalls and routers are configured to
allow by default).


That doesn't interest me.


You could ask over at https://community.teamviewer.com/ as to what
constitutes "personal use" (versus business use). From:

https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...age/ta-p/33153

there is a link to "How is exactly "private-use" defined?" which points
to:

https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...ined/ta-p/4712

No idea which edition of Windows or MacOS you are using. If it is a
server editing then use of TeamViewer is automatically classified as
business use. Another link points to:

https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...ined/ta-p/4712

Which option did you pick when installing the local TeamViewer client?
When you install TeamViewer, it records an ID string (probably in the
hashed part of the registry that is unavailable even to admins via
regedit.exe and must be access programmatically using the crypto API).
Uninstalling TeamViewer and reinstalling it will not erase the ID, so a
later install has you using the same ID. If you ever installed as
commercial or commercial+personUse then the ID remains to mark you as a
commeral-use customer. From what I've seen in their forums, you have to
contact TeamViewer to get your ID re-classified.

Also, as I recall, there may be a limit or quota on how many times per
month you can connect to a remote host. The quota isn't just how many
times you connect to one remote host but also to how many remote hosts
you used TeamViewer. Some users in their forums said the limit for
maximum number of remote hosts was 50 which should be well within the
range to cover friends and family and your own hosts. For example:

https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...mit/td-p/24663

where the GordonSE03 user noted that her spouse was getting locked out a
few times because he was abusing his personal-use license by making an a
large number of connections to an excessive number remote hosts (35, in
his case, so the max remot host quota might be less than 50).

I doubt you will eliminate their nagware screen attempting to get
freeloaders to buy their payware subscriptions. It's often the cost of
using freeware. Good luck, for example, in finding a truly freeware
Android app that has no ads.


The Macbook has OSX 10.7 because that is the highest OS it can use.
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Old March 6th 19, 06:38 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Teamviewer free for non commercialuse?

In article , Lucifer
wrote:


If you want a continuously loaded server process listening for inbound
connection requests to a remote host, look at using one of the free VNC
derivatives. You will have to install the VNC server on the remote
host, configure your software firewall to allow unsolicited inbound
connections to whatever port on which the VNC server is listening,
probably have to punch through your router's firewall (to redirect
inbound connects on that port to your VNC server-ed host), and your host
would need to know that is the current WAN-side IP address of your
router at the remote host (unless you employ dynamic DNS to use a
hostname that points to whatever is the current WAN-side IP address of
your remote host's router). TeamViewer, Logmein, mikogo, and other
remoting services eliminate all that setup (by the endpoint hosts making
outbound HTTP connects which firewalls and routers are configured to
allow by default).


That doesn't interest me.


it's also a very bad idea.



The Macbook has OSX 10.7 because that is the highest OS it can use.


which means it's about 12 years old. the best solution is to replace it
with a more recent laptop, new or used, mac or pc, and use a later
version of teamviewer or any of its competitors.
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Old March 6th 19, 08:05 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Teamviewer free for non commercialuse?

Lucifer wrote:
I have Teamviewer 13 on my Windows 10 machine.
I want to use it with my MacBook which has OSX 10.7.
Teamviewer 11 is the highest 10.7 can run so I installed
that. Teamviewer 11 would only run for a second so I
tried Teamviewer 10. That works but the connection
from the Windows 10 machine times out after about
a minute and I am advised to buy a licence.
It's apparently no longer free for non-commercial use.


https://handshake.co.za/2018/teamvie...suspected-fix/

The last person to modify their device identifiers
had the change work on "February 25, 2019". That's
the entry at the very bottom of the page.

A Firewire interface can have a MAC address too, and
you can switch off the Firewire in the BIOS. Then,
perhaps, it won't matter.

Paul
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Old March 6th 19, 03:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Teamviewer free for non commercialuse?

On 3/5/19 11:03 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Lucifer wrote:

I have Teamviewer 13 on my Windows 10 machine. I want to use it with
my MacBook which has OSX 10.7. Teamviewer 11 is the highest 10.7 can
run so I installed that. Teamviewer 11 would only run for a second so
I tried Teamviewer 10. That works but the connection from the Windows
10 machine times out after about a minute and I am advised to buy a
licence. It's apparently no longer free for non-commercial use.


Last I used Teamview, yep, it had a free version. However, I doubt
running it server to listen for inbound connection requests constitutes
personal use. You are running a server process all the time that will
accept inbound connects at any time instead of a personal scenario where
you tell the remote user to to connect to Teamviewer's site server to
enter a token that lets you then connect to that remote host.

You don't need to "install" Teamviewer when using the one-time scenario
where a user at both ends are involved: one to initiate a session at
Teamviewer's server that gets a token that the other user inputs to
connect to that session.

https://www.teamviewer.com/en/creden...-personal-use/

If you want a continuously loaded server process listening for inbound
connection requests to a remote host, look at using one of the free VNC
derivatives. You will have to install the VNC server on the remote
host, configure your software firewall to allow unsolicited inbound
connections to whatever port on which the VNC server is listening,
probably have to punch through your router's firewall (to redirect
inbound connects on that port to your VNC server-ed host), and your host
would need to know that is the current WAN-side IP address of your
router at the remote host (unless you employ dynamic DNS to use a
hostname that points to whatever is the current WAN-side IP address of
your remote host's router). TeamViewer, Logmein, mikogo, and other
remoting services eliminate all that setup (by the endpoint hosts making
outbound HTTP connects which firewalls and routers are configured to
allow by default).

You could ask over at https://community.teamviewer.com/ as to what
constitutes "personal use" (versus business use). From:

https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...age/ta-p/33153

there is a link to "How is exactly "private-use" defined?" which points
to:

https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...ined/ta-p/4712

No idea which edition of Windows or MacOS you are using. If it is a
server editing then use of TeamViewer is automatically classified as
business use. Another link points to:

https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...ined/ta-p/4712

Which option did you pick when installing the local TeamViewer client?
When you install TeamViewer, it records an ID string (probably in the
hashed part of the registry that is unavailable even to admins via
regedit.exe and must be access programmatically using the crypto API).
Uninstalling TeamViewer and reinstalling it will not erase the ID, so a
later install has you using the same ID. If you ever installed as
commercial or commercial+personUse then the ID remains to mark you as a
commeral-use customer. From what I've seen in their forums, you have to
contact TeamViewer to get your ID re-classified.

Also, as I recall, there may be a limit or quota on how many times per
month you can connect to a remote host. The quota isn't just how many
times you connect to one remote host but also to how many remote hosts
you used TeamViewer. Some users in their forums said the limit for
maximum number of remote hosts was 50 which should be well within the
range to cover friends and family and your own hosts. For example:

https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/...mit/td-p/24663

where the GordonSE03 user noted that her spouse was getting locked out a
few times because he was abusing his personal-use license by making an a
large number of connections to an excessive number remote hosts (35, in
his case, so the max remot host quota might be less than 50).

I doubt you will eliminate their nagware screen attempting to get
freeloaders to buy their payware subscriptions. It's often the cost of
using freeware. Good luck, for example, in finding a truly freeware
Android app that has no ads.

I have installed TV14 on 3 machines in the family and all are waiting
for me to call (as a server as you call it). I'm still running free
version.

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Old March 6th 19, 08:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Big Al" wrote in message
...

I have installed TV14 on 3 machines in the family and all are waiting for
me to call (as a server as you call it). I'm still running free version.


I use it for the same to offer computer support to my parents, including
maintaining a website that they run.

I also used to use it for accessing my "server" computer from a laptop in my
bedroom or from my phone.

Something in the usage that I used triggered the "you are using Teamviewer
professionally" warnings. I never did find out what I'd done "wrong" that
had triggered the warning - they never answered that question when I
contacted them.

I had to fill in a declaration that I really was using Teamviewer only for
in-home use and for helping friends and family, and they restored normal
service.

But I'm cautious about using Teamviewer "too much" so I've installed Real
VNC server on my "server" PC and it was included in Raspian on my Raspberry
Pi, and I've got the client on my laptop and mobile phone. RealVNC seems to
be as good as TV, although with an Android client it does have the annoying
fact that a right-click in Windows requires a double-tap (which is more
difficult to achieve on a mobile phone) rather than a long press that TV
uses. Also RealVNC doesn't have file-transfer capabilities unless you pay
for a subscription which also allows two computers on the same LAN to
communicate within the LAN, rather than (AFAIK) requiring traffic to go up
to RealVNC's server and then back down the same connection to the other
computer. The RaspPi server does support direct, but the Windows server
requires cloud traffic and so is slower - especially when I have a pathetic
1500/448 kbps (kilo, not mega) bit/sec connection.

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Old March 6th 19, 08:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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NY wrote:

"Big Al" wrote in message
...

I have installed TV14 on 3 machines in the family and all are waiting for
me to call (as a server as you call it). I'm still running free version.


I use it for the same to offer computer support to my parents, including
maintaining a website that they run.

I also used to use it for accessing my "server" computer from a laptop in my
bedroom or from my phone.

Something in the usage that I used triggered the "you are using Teamviewer
professionally" warnings. I never did find out what I'd done "wrong" that
had triggered the warning - they never answered that question when I
contacted them.

I had to fill in a declaration that I really was using Teamviewer only for
in-home use and for helping friends and family, and they restored normal
service.

But I'm cautious about using Teamviewer "too much" so I've installed Real
VNC server on my "server" PC and it was included in Raspian on my Raspberry
Pi, and I've got the client on my laptop and mobile phone. RealVNC seems to
be as good as TV, although with an Android client it does have the annoying
fact that a right-click in Windows requires a double-tap (which is more
difficult to achieve on a mobile phone) rather than a long press that TV
uses. Also RealVNC doesn't have file-transfer capabilities unless you pay
for a subscription which also allows two computers on the same LAN to
communicate within the LAN, rather than (AFAIK) requiring traffic to go up
to RealVNC's server and then back down the same connection to the other
computer. The RaspPi server does support direct, but the Windows server
requires cloud traffic and so is slower - especially when I have a pathetic
1500/448 kbps (kilo, not mega) bit/sec connection.


Both TightVNC and UltraVNC have the file transfer feature. Both are
free; i.e., there is no payware version as with RealVNC. Licensing for
RealVNC is proprietary while TightVNC (and its subsequent TigerVNC
derivative) and UltraVNC are GPL.

https://www.tightvnc.com/intro.php
File transfers in versions for Windows. You can upload files from your
local machine to the TightVNC Server, and download files from the
server to your computer.

TigerVNC was a fork and added some features to TightVNC. While TV (and
UltraVNC) has the file transfer feature, seems to duplicate what you
could do using an FTP server on your host(s).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...sktop_software

That gives a list of numerous VNC variants or other remoting software.
There is a table showing which work on which OS. Since the OP mentioned
Mac OS X, he'd have to check if an alternative to TeamViewer supported
his OS/X host. For example, TightVNC and Tiger VNC support OS/X clients
but not OS/X servers while RealVNC does.

As I mentioned, installing TeamViewer add a registry key that assigns
you an ID, and that ID gets registered at TeamViewer regarding its
licensing as to personal or business use. Some users that found they
had somehow got switched to business-use had to contact TeamViewer to
get it switched back to personal-use. Something about where they used
it, like on a server OS, or how many hosts to which they were connecting
triggered a change on their ID registration.
 




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