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  #136  
Old March 13th 19, 03:39 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mike
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On 3/12/2019 3:57 PM, Apd wrote:
"Mike" wrote:
On 3/12/2019 8:40 AM, Mayayana wrote:
I described a systemic problem clearly. WINE can't be fixed,
because of the way it's designed. It's not a Windows API and
they don't want to cooperate with Windows programmers.


If anybody tried to implement a real windows API, wouldn't they
be instantly dragged into court for violation of intellectual
property rights?


ReactOS does its best to implement the Windows API and also the NT
native API. I don't think they've had any problems with MS. When I
want to know how an undocumented native API call works I check the
ReactOS source code.


They're not a threat to Microsoft.
If they had any possibility of significant market share,
Microsoft would bury them.
For now, they're evidence that MS is not a monopoly...yeah right!
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  #137  
Old March 13th 19, 03:40 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mike
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On 3/12/2019 5:54 PM, T wrote:
On 3/12/19 2:58 AM, Mike wrote:
ButÂ*it'sÂ*aÂ*hollowÂ*promiseÂ*ifÂ*theÂ*installed *versionÂ*boots
toÂ*aÂ*blankÂ*screen.


Details please?

The dreaded blinking cursor in the upper left corner of the screen?

Were you able to ctrlf2 to get into the console?



I didn't try very hard to debug it. As I recall I had distros that
booted to a blank
screen and others that booted to a blinking cursor.
I could get into the console on those, but now what?

If the live CD boots to a working GUI desktop, so should
the installed version, PERIOD.

If the live CD boots to a working internet connection, so should
the installed version, PERIOD.

Once you have a working display and an internet connection, you
have the ability to make progress. Up to that point, not so much.

The developer dropped the ball. It's not the user's job
to pick it up.

I understand that there can be hardware issues, but if they're
solved in the live distro, they should be solved in the installed
distro. Anything less is unacceptable. Life is too short.
  #138  
Old March 13th 19, 03:40 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , wrote:

I carry a USB3 to Ethernet adapter for those idiot machines
without an Ethernet port. (Did I say Apple? ) And to
troubleshoot dead Ethernet adapters and wireless adapters.


a lot of laptops don't have ethernet anymore, including the microsoft
surface laptop, hp spectre, asus and many others. it's not unique to
apple. with wireless built in, there's no reason for wired anymore. it
sits unused.
  #139  
Old March 13th 19, 03:40 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , wrote:


As far as your test goes, if you are use to Linux, then your
would find it hard to do things on Windows. Often times it
is what you know.


occasionally. most of the time it's easy to find out the equivalent in
another system.

Look at all the Apples users out there. They HATE Windows
and can't get Windows to do anything they want. It is
because they have learned to do it the Apple way and
CAN'T LEARN ANYTHING NEW. Just like those use to Windows.


nonsense.
  #140  
Old March 13th 19, 03:46 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"T" wrote:
On 3/12/19 3:57 PM, Apd wrote:
ReactOS does its best to implement the Windows API and also the NT
native API. I don't think they've had any problems with MS. When I
want to know how an undocumented native API call works I check the
ReactOS source code.


Years ago, I tried ReactOS. It was HORRIBLE. Has it gotten
any better?


I've not used it myself as an OS but this article:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/0...tos_hits_0411/
says there have been improvements in the latest release.

Someone added this comment which may be of interest:

"It's worth noting that Reactos user-space libraries are largely
imported from and kept in sync with Wine and as such progress in
Wine causes progress in Reactos too. Reactos adds lower layers
which reimplement the windows Kernel, drivers and key services
rather than emulate them by calls to Linux APIs".

And from another:

"WINE translates from win32 calls to calls in another operating system
(usually Unix).
ReactOS natively implements the APIs and the driver model in an open
source project. This means native Windows drivers can be used.
It's still early days for the project in terms of APIs implemented,
so not all drivers work, but some official network/video/sound card
drivers will work in the same way they do on real Windows. Also, the
way ReactOS is architected, older driver models currently unsupported
by modern versions of Windows are still supported".



  #141  
Old March 13th 19, 03:49 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/12/19 7:37 PM, Mike wrote:
It'sÂ*notÂ*aboutÂ*whetherÂ*ONEÂ*distroÂ*worksÂ*for Â*you.
It'sÂ*aboutÂ*theÂ*existenceÂ*ofÂ*overÂ*aÂ*hundred *distros
andÂ*theÂ*chaosÂ*thatÂ*ensues.


Yes that is true. But the only two serious Distro are
Fedora and Ubooboo (I can't spell ubunto).

Those bazillions of other distros are just noise.
If you are serious about Linux, use Fedora or Ubooboo.


  #142  
Old March 13th 19, 04:11 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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On 03/12/2019 9:49 PM, T wrote:
On 3/12/19 7:37 PM, Mike wrote:
It'sÂ*notÂ*aboutÂ*whetherÂ*ONEÂ*distroÂ*worksÂ*for Â*you.
It'sÂ*aboutÂ*theÂ*existenceÂ*ofÂ*overÂ*aÂ*hundred *distros
andÂ*theÂ*chaosÂ*thatÂ*ensues.


Yes that is true.Â* But the only two serious Distro are
Fedora and Ubooboo (I can't spell ubunto).

Those bazillions of other distros are just noise.
If you are serious about Linux, use Fedora or Ubooboo.



If fedora is so great why is it when I installed the fedora newsgroup
today I find only 37 postings?
and Seeing "T" is a fedora advocate why does he not post there? Pretty
strange to my thinking Todd.
Maybe I should download and try this Fedora 29 and see for myself
whether it is all pure Gold.

Rene


  #143  
Old March 13th 19, 04:34 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/12/19 8:11 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 03/12/2019 9:49 PM, T wrote:
On 3/12/19 7:37 PM, Mike wrote:
It'sÂ*notÂ*aboutÂ*whetherÂ*ONEÂ*distroÂ*worksÂ*for Â*you.
It'sÂ*aboutÂ*theÂ*existenceÂ*ofÂ*overÂ*aÂ*hundred *distros
andÂ*theÂ*chaosÂ*thatÂ*ensues.


Yes that is true.Â* But the only two serious Distro are
Fedora and Ubooboo (I can't spell ubunto).

Those bazillions of other distros are just noise.
If you are serious about Linux, use Fedora or Ubooboo.



If fedora is so great why is it when I installed the fedora newsgroup
today I find only 37 postings?
and Seeing "T" is a fedora advocate why does he not post there? Pretty
strange to my thinking Todd.
Maybe I should download and try this Fedora 29 and see for myself
whether it is all pure Gold.

Rene



Hi Rene,

I don't use the newsgroup for the reason you stated. It is low volume.

Here is where you want to go:

1) https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/questions/

2) https://lists.fedoraproject.org/acco...ext=/archives/

I use both.

Fedora is not pure Gold. It is just nicely done.

-T


  #144  
Old March 13th 19, 05:13 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote:


If fedora is so great why is it when I installed the fedora newsgroup
today I find only 37 postings?


usenet is not an indicator of product popularity.
  #145  
Old March 13th 19, 05:19 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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T wrote:
On 3/12/19 3:57 PM, Apd wrote:
"Mike" wrote:
On 3/12/2019 8:40 AM, Mayayana wrote:
I described a systemic problem clearly. WINE can't be fixed,
because of the way it's designed. It's not a Windows API and
they don't want to cooperate with Windows programmers.

If anybody tried to implement a real windows API, wouldn't they
be instantly dragged into court for violation of intellectual
property rights?


ReactOS does its best to implement the Windows API and also the NT
native API. I don't think they've had any problems with MS. When I
want to know how an undocumented native API call works I check the
ReactOS source code.



Years ago, I tried ReactOS. It was HORRIBLE. Has it gotten
any better?


It can only advance as fast as WINE advances.

Paul
  #146  
Old March 13th 19, 05:22 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Mike wrote:


I understand that there can be hardware issues, but if they're
solved in the live distro, they should be solved in the installed
distro. Anything less is unacceptable. Life is too short.


There's plenty of situations where safer choices are made in
the Live environment, than the installed environment. The
idea being, that "any user worth their salt" can sort
these install-time issues. Which is probably true, considering
the audience.

Paul
  #147  
Old March 13th 19, 05:28 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 03/12/2019 9:49 PM, T wrote:
On 3/12/19 7:37 PM, Mike wrote:
It's not about whether ONE distro works for you.
It's about the existence of over a hundred distros
and the chaos that ensues.


Yes that is true. But the only two serious Distro are
Fedora and Ubooboo (I can't spell ubunto).

Those bazillions of other distros are just noise.
If you are serious about Linux, use Fedora or Ubooboo.



If fedora is so great why is it when I installed the fedora newsgroup
today I find only 37 postings?
and Seeing "T" is a fedora advocate why does he not post there? Pretty
strange to my thinking Todd.
Maybe I should download and try this Fedora 29 and see for myself
whether it is all pure Gold.

Rene


Tested and tossed.

I keep pieces of paper taped to my USB sticks, and one of the
sticks has a "FED29" taped to it. And that's the home of the
former FED29 live image. Since paved over with something else.

I was going to try to build a full featured FFMPEG over there,
but for some reason, I just tossed the thing and rolled back
to the previous experiment.

On some distros, you can "feel" the developers "phone it in".
Sure, they put a common DE on the thing, but their
heart wasn't in it. It's like "yeah, yeah I shaved today,
I put on underarm deodorant". But if given a choice, they
wouldn't bother.

Paul

  #148  
Old March 13th 19, 05:29 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/12/19 9:22 PM, Paul wrote:
Mike wrote:


I understand that there can be hardware issues, but if they're
solved in the live distro, they should be solved in the installed
distro.Â* Anything less is unacceptable.Â* Life is too short.


There's plenty of situations where safer choices are made in
the Live environment, than the installed environment. The
idea being, that "any user worth their salt" can sort
these install-time issues. Which is probably true, considering
the audience.

Â*Â* Paul


For what he describes, the spin is totally screwed up.

  #149  
Old March 13th 19, 06:00 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/12/19 9:28 PM, Paul wrote:
Maybe I should download and try this Fedora 29 and see for myself
whetherÂ*itÂ*isÂ*allÂ*pureÂ*Gold.

Rene


TestedÂ*andÂ*tossed.

IÂ*keepÂ*piecesÂ*ofÂ*paperÂ*tapedÂ*toÂ*myÂ*USBÂ*st icks,Â*andÂ*oneÂ*ofÂ*the
sticksÂ*hasÂ*aÂ*"FED29"Â*tapedÂ*toÂ*it.Â*AndÂ*that 'sÂ*theÂ*homeÂ*ofÂ*the
formerÂ*FED29Â*liveÂ*image.


Hi Paul,

I use Fedora all over the place. What was
your issue with it?

-T

  #150  
Old March 13th 19, 11:27 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/12/2019 3:11 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Neil" wrote
| Examples of

| apps with backward compatibility that are under MS' control, the current
| version of Word in MS-Office will still read *and write* Word for DOS
| files. Same for Excel, and Access databases from 20 years ago work fine
| on both PCs and servers.
|

That's a different issue. We're talking about OS
backward compatibility: Does older software run
in a newer OS version.

One thing that can keep older software from running on newer OS versions
is a lack of adherence to the OS specs that were current at the time.
That's one reason some apps broke when going from XP to Vista. Some
major changes in the OS' operational modality, such as those going from
WinNT to Win2kPro can put an end to some apps because they required
advanced functioning beyond VB and so forth.

But, to my point, I don't so much care as to whether an older app runs
on a newer OS than whether the newer app supports its own older file
formats. I don't mind upgrading an app, but it's a POS when it mangles
its own files.

| On the other hand, Open/Libra Office has mangled their own files after
| only two version "updates". MySQL similarly failed to handle databases
| created only a few years ago, not to forget the circle-jerk involved in
| who "owned" MySQL technology.
|
| The bottom line is that MS is about business-level productivity, and no
| other company has come close to its apps level of backward compatibility.
|

That is a good point. I didn't know about LO doing that.
Though I've never saved from LO to anything but .doc.
I wouldn't save to LO formats because other people
might not be able to open them.

I don't use OO/LO to interact with others because neither handles
anything but the most simplistic documents in translation. So, I
wouldn't care about that kind of use. But, to mangle their own files? I
had to recreate dozens of their documents in MS-Office (at my own
expense, BTW) to avoid going through that again. I have NO time for that
kind of BS.

--
best regards,

Neil
 




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