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Old February 9th 11, 12:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
William Lurie[_2_]
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Default Revert to SP1?

I've been trying to get my old, good Visioneer 8920 Scanner to work
(XPHome/SP3) and tried some suggestions from a scanner newsgroup without
success.

I *wrote* to Visioneer (no other way to communicate with them about a
non-current product) and actually got an e-mail answer, reading, in part:

"We just received your letter in the office today. I am sorry to hear
about the problems you have been having. I regret to inform you, your
Visioneer 8920 Scanner is not compatible w/ your operating system. The
last driver that was available for this unit was Windows XP, Service
Pack 1. It appears you are on Service Pack 3."

It's a nice machine, handles slides, and I hate to junk it for a newer
model. So I'm thinking of taking one of my backup clones and
uninstalling SP3 and SP2 and using it only for the scanner. Is this
asking for a can of worms? Is there a KB article maybe for doing it in
straightforward manner?
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Old February 9th 11, 01:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Tim Meddick[_3_]
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If U have a reasonably large hard-disk (today's PC's are usually sized
160GB as standard and 300GB to be described as extra-large), then you could
re-size your current system partition on your hd and make a smaller
partition to install your original copy of XP again - but [obviously] do
not upgrade it to SP3. The second XP installation should appear on the XP
Boot/Startup menu as another operating system. Use this second XP
installation to install your older printer, and also, when you need to
print something off.

But, I would seriously advise that, before going to the trouble of creating
your dual-boot system, that you try to find a friend who has XP SP1 and see
if the printer and it's drivers will install correctly. But, if you can't
find another XP SP1 installation, it's easier to reverse the dual-boot
procedure than to create it.

Hope this gives you some more ideas, at least!

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"William Lurie" wrote in message
...
I've been trying to get my old, good Visioneer 8920 Scanner to work
(XPHome/SP3) and tried some suggestions from a scanner newsgroup without
success.

I *wrote* to Visioneer (no other way to communicate with them about a
non-current product) and actually got an e-mail answer, reading, in part:

"We just received your letter in the office today. I am sorry to hear
about the problems you have been having. I regret to inform you, your
Visioneer 8920 Scanner is not compatible w/ your operating system. The
last driver that was available for this unit was Windows XP, Service Pack
1. It appears you are on Service Pack 3."

It's a nice machine, handles slides, and I hate to junk it for a newer
model. So I'm thinking of taking one of my backup clones and uninstalling
SP3 and SP2 and using it only for the scanner. Is this asking for a can
of worms? Is there a KB article maybe for doing it in straightforward
manner?


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Old February 9th 11, 01:23 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Revert to SP1?

William Lurie wrote:

I've been trying to get my old, good Visioneer 8920 Scanner to work
(XPHome/SP3) and tried some suggestions from a scanner newsgroup without
success.

I *wrote* to Visioneer (no other way to communicate with them about a
non-current product) and actually got an e-mail answer, reading, in part:

"We just received your letter in the office today. I am sorry to hear
about the problems you have been having. I regret to inform you, your
Visioneer 8920 Scanner is not compatible w/ your operating system. The
last driver that was available for this unit was Windows XP, Service
Pack 1. It appears you are on Service Pack 3."

It's a nice machine, handles slides, and I hate to junk it for a newer
model. So I'm thinking of taking one of my backup clones and
uninstalling SP3 and SP2 and using it only for the scanner. Is this
asking for a can of worms? Is there a KB article maybe for doing it in
straightforward manner?


You could use VMWare Server or VirtualBox (both free) on your current
host OS to run Windows XP SP-1 as a guest OS. Those VMs support USB
devices. For simplicity, VirtualBox is better than VMWare Server (v2
threw in a ****load of web-centric features that doesn't make sense for
a single user on a single host, but v1 is okay for personal use if you
can find it).
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Old February 9th 11, 03:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Goobus
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Why not buy a new scanner? They are so inexpensive.

n 2/9/2011 5:32 AM, William Lurie wrote:
I've been trying to get my old, good Visioneer 8920 Scanner to work
(XPHome/SP3) and tried some suggestions from a scanner newsgroup without
success.

I *wrote* to Visioneer (no other way to communicate with them about a
non-current product) and actually got an e-mail answer, reading, in part:

"We just received your letter in the office today. I am sorry to hear
about the problems you have been having. I regret to inform you, your
Visioneer 8920 Scanner is not compatible w/ your operating system. The
last driver that was available for this unit was Windows XP, Service
Pack 1. It appears you are on Service Pack 3."

It's a nice machine, handles slides, and I hate to junk it for a newer
model. So I'm thinking of taking one of my backup clones and
uninstalling SP3 and SP2 and using it only for the scanner. Is this
asking for a can of worms? Is there a KB article maybe for doing it in
straightforward manner?


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Old February 9th 11, 03:15 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Tim Meddick[_3_]
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Default Revert to SP1?

I use Microsoft's Virtual PC, which I find great for my own purposes but, I
know that particular application has very little support for external
devices (and none for USB without your PC's compatibility for Hardware
Virtualization).

Although one is supposed to be able to connect a printer directly to the
PC's external printer port (LPT1) and thence can be detected from there in
a guest OS under the VPC software.

So I suppose my query is; how much better is VirtualBox than this regarding
the installation of external devices, namely a printer in this case (and
with regards to USB support) ?

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
William Lurie wrote:

I've been trying to get my old, good Visioneer 8920 Scanner to work
(XPHome/SP3) and tried some suggestions from a scanner newsgroup without
success.

I *wrote* to Visioneer (no other way to communicate with them about a
non-current product) and actually got an e-mail answer, reading, in
part:

"We just received your letter in the office today. I am sorry to hear
about the problems you have been having. I regret to inform you, your
Visioneer 8920 Scanner is not compatible w/ your operating system. The
last driver that was available for this unit was Windows XP, Service
Pack 1. It appears you are on Service Pack 3."

It's a nice machine, handles slides, and I hate to junk it for a newer
model. So I'm thinking of taking one of my backup clones and
uninstalling SP3 and SP2 and using it only for the scanner. Is this
asking for a can of worms? Is there a KB article maybe for doing it in
straightforward manner?


You could use VMWare Server or VirtualBox (both free) on your current
host OS to run Windows XP SP-1 as a guest OS. Those VMs support USB
devices. For simplicity, VirtualBox is better than VMWare Server (v2
threw in a ****load of web-centric features that doesn't make sense for
a single user on a single host, but v1 is okay for personal use if you
can find it).


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Old February 9th 11, 03:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Revert to SP1?

Tim Meddick wrote:

I use Microsoft's Virtual PC, which I find great for my own purposes but, I
know that particular application has very little support for external
devices (and none for USB without your PC's compatibility for Hardware
Virtualization).

Although one is supposed to be able to connect a printer directly to the
PC's external printer port (LPT1) and thence can be detected from there in
a guest OS under the VPC software.

So I suppose my query is; how much better is VirtualBox than this regarding
the installation of external devices, namely a printer in this case (and
with regards to USB support) ?


Sorry but my choice due to outside pressures is to use VirtualPC 2007
despite its lack of USB support on the hosts where I use it. I don't
need USB support (yet) in a VM. My understanding of VirtualBox's
support for USB support is from other users of it. I have seen articles
where users of VBox on *NIX had problems getting USB to work but it's
suppose to be supported with Windows as the host OS. I did use VMWare
Server quite a lot before using VPC2007 and know that it did have USB
support (but I hate how they moved to webcentric management in v2).

http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch03.html#id321700
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Old February 9th 11, 04:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Tim Meddick[_3_]
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Default Revert to SP1?

I thank you for your concisely informative and practical respose.

I garner from VirtualBox's on-line manual that "....allows you to configure
VirtualBox's sophisticated USB support...." so, it would seem, VirtualBox
does have "one-up" on it's Virtual PC counterpart.

However, by choice (in my own case) I have decided, Microsoft's Virtual PC
to be more reliable when run under a Window's host OS.

Thanking you again for the information.

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
Tim Meddick wrote:

I use Microsoft's Virtual PC, which I find great for my own purposes
but, I
know that particular application has very little support for external
devices (and none for USB without your PC's compatibility for Hardware
Virtualization).

Although one is supposed to be able to connect a printer directly to the
PC's external printer port (LPT1) and thence can be detected from there
in
a guest OS under the VPC software.

So I suppose my query is; how much better is VirtualBox than this
regarding
the installation of external devices, namely a printer in this case (and
with regards to USB support) ?


Sorry but my choice due to outside pressures is to use VirtualPC 2007
despite its lack of USB support on the hosts where I use it. I don't
need USB support (yet) in a VM. My understanding of VirtualBox's
support for USB support is from other users of it. I have seen articles
where users of VBox on *NIX had problems getting USB to work but it's
suppose to be supported with Windows as the host OS. I did use VMWare
Server quite a lot before using VPC2007 and know that it did have USB
support (but I hate how they moved to webcentric management in v2).

http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch03.html#id321700


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Old February 9th 11, 04:27 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
William Lurie[_2_]
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Default Revert to SP1?

VanguardLH wrote:
William Lurie wrote:

I've been trying to get my old, good Visioneer 8920 Scanner to work
(XPHome/SP3) and tried some suggestions from a scanner newsgroup without
success.

I *wrote* to Visioneer (no other way to communicate with them about a
non-current product) and actually got an e-mail answer, reading, in part:

"We just received your letter in the office today. I am sorry to hear
about the problems you have been having. I regret to inform you, your
Visioneer 8920 Scanner is not compatible w/ your operating system. The
last driver that was available for this unit was Windows XP, Service
Pack 1. It appears you are on Service Pack 3."

It's a nice machine, handles slides, and I hate to junk it for a newer
model. So I'm thinking of taking one of my backup clones and
uninstalling SP3 and SP2 and using it only for the scanner. Is this
asking for a can of worms? Is there a KB article maybe for doing it in
straightforward manner?


You could use VMWare Server or VirtualBox (both free) on your current
host OS to run Windows XP SP-1 as a guest OS. Those VMs support USB
devices. For simplicity, VirtualBox is better than VMWare Server (v2
threw in a ****load of web-centric features that doesn't make sense for
a single user on a single host, but v1 is okay for personal use if you
can find it).


As I just told Tim, Vang, the only SP1 software I have, came with the
machine, installed. Didn'y Microsoft provide tools for uninstalling Sp3
back to SP1?
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Old February 9th 11, 04:34 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
William Lurie[_2_]
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Default Revert to SP1?

Tim Meddick wrote:

If U have a reasonably large hard-disk (today's PC's are usually sized
160GB as standard and 300GB to be described as extra-large), then you
could re-size your current system partition on your hd and make a
smaller partition to install your original copy of XP again - but
[obviously] do not upgrade it to SP3. The second XP installation should
appear on the XP Boot/Startup menu as another operating system. Use
this second XP installation to install your older printer, and also,
when you need to print something off.


All good except that the machine came with XP installed, there just
ain't no installation disk, Tim.

But, I would seriously advise that, before going to the trouble of
creating your dual-boot system, that you try to find a friend who has XP
SP1 and see if the printer and it's drivers will install correctly.
But, if you can't find another XP SP1 installation, it's easier to
reverse the dual-boot procedure than to create it.


Don't need to, Tim...the scanner served well back in the SP1 days.
How troublesome would uninstalling SP3/SP2 be?

Hope this gives you some more ideas, at least!

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)


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Old February 10th 11, 12:28 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Revert to SP1?

William Lurie wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

William Lurie wrote:

I've been trying to get my old, good Visioneer 8920 Scanner to work
(XPHome/SP3) and tried some suggestions from a scanner newsgroup
without success.

"Visioneer 8920 Scanner is not compatible w/ your operating system.
The last driver that was available for this unit was Windows XP,
Service Pack 1. It appears you are on Service Pack 3."


You could use VMWare Server or VirtualBox (both free) on your
current host OS to run Windows XP SP-1 as a guest OS.


As I just told Tim, Vang,


Your reply to Tim was 3 hours *after* my reply to you.

the only SP1 software I have, came with the machine, installed.


What does that mean? You only get recovery software from a hidden
partition that you access via a boot-time hotkey? If so, the manual
for the pre-built computer will tell you how to create recovery CDs.
Hard disks die or get replaced and you're expected to burn the recovery
CDs as a backup route for reinstalling the image they provided in the
hidden partition.

How are you going to recovery your OS installation when the hard disk
crashes or you find it impossible to eradicate some malware? You might
be saving image backups now but what if the image is unusable? You'll
need a way to start from scratch. That means reading the computer's
manual to find out how to burn the recovery CDs. RTFM.

Didn'y Microsoft provide tools for uninstalling Sp3 back to SP1?


Yep. Add/Remove Programs applet in Control Panel. If you didn't
delete the C:\Windows\$* folders then there should be an entry in this
applet to remove the service pack. Make sure the option to "show
updates" is enabled. If not, you can look inside the $ subfolder for
the SP-3 update to find its uninstall program. I can't find a $*SP3*
folder in my installation but I suspect my last fresh reinstall of
Windows XP was from an SP-3 slipstreamed install CD. I suspect you
might have to first uninstall every update you've added since SP-3 was
installed and then uninstall SP-3. If the pre-built computer came with
Windows XP SP-3 then there may be no logfiles to uninstall SP-3. You
can't go backward through the updates unless updates were actually
performed after the install of the OS.

Of course, since you're doing brain surgery on the OS, you better have
image backups to restore your host to a working state if the service
pack removal screws up the OS.

Note that not all updates are reversible. As I recall, for example,
DirectX updates are one-way (forward only). So going backward through
service packs which also incorporate the individual patches could leave
you with a corrupted mix of different versions of updates to different
components of the OS.

Then there's doing a Google search to see how others claim to have
uninstalled SP-3 (if you actually performed that update versus getting
Windows XP with SP-3 already applied):

http://www.google.com/search?q=%2B"windows+xp"+%2Buninstall+SP3+"service +pack+3"

The first couple of matching articles were by Microsoft on how to
uninstall SP-3.
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Old February 10th 11, 01:34 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
William Lurie[_2_]
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VanguardLH wrote:
William Lurie wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

William Lurie wrote:

I've been trying to get my old, good Visioneer 8920 Scanner to work
(XPHome/SP3) and tried some suggestions from a scanner newsgroup
without success.

"Visioneer 8920 Scanner is not compatible w/ your operating system.
The last driver that was available for this unit was Windows XP,
Service Pack 1. It appears you are on Service Pack 3."
You could use VMWare Server or VirtualBox (both free) on your
current host OS to run Windows XP SP-1 as a guest OS.

As I just told Tim, Vang,


Your reply to Tim was 3 hours *after* my reply to you.

the only SP1 software I have, came with the machine, installed.


What does that mean? You only get recovery software from a hidden
partition that you access via a boot-time hotkey? If so, the manual
for the pre-built computer will tell you how to create recovery CDs.
Hard disks die or get replaced and you're expected to burn the recovery
CDs as a backup route for reinstalling the image they provided in the
hidden partition.

How are you going to recovery your OS installation when the hard disk
crashes or you find it impossible to eradicate some malware? You might
be saving image backups now but what if the image is unusable? You'll
need a way to start from scratch. That means reading the computer's
manual to find out how to burn the recovery CDs. RTFM.

Didn'y Microsoft provide tools for uninstalling Sp3 back to SP1?


Yep. Add/Remove Programs applet in Control Panel. If you didn't
delete the C:\Windows\$* folders then there should be an entry in this
applet to remove the service pack. Make sure the option to "show
updates" is enabled. If not, you can look inside the $ subfolder for
the SP-3 update to find its uninstall program. I can't find a $*SP3*
folder in my installation but I suspect my last fresh reinstall of
Windows XP was from an SP-3 slipstreamed install CD. I suspect you
might have to first uninstall every update you've added since SP-3 was
installed and then uninstall SP-3. If the pre-built computer came with
Windows XP SP-3 then there may be no logfiles to uninstall SP-3. You
can't go backward through the updates unless updates were actually
performed after the install of the OS.

Of course, since you're doing brain surgery on the OS, you better have
image backups to restore your host to a working state if the service
pack removal screws up the OS.

Note that not all updates are reversible. As I recall, for example,
DirectX updates are one-way (forward only). So going backward through
service packs which also incorporate the individual patches could leave
you with a corrupted mix of different versions of updates to different
components of the OS.

Then there's doing a Google search to see how others claim to have
uninstalled SP-3 (if you actually performed that update versus getting
Windows XP with SP-3 already applied):

http://www.google.com/search?q=%2B"windows+xp"+%2Buninstall+SP3+"service +pack+3"

The first couple of matching articles were by Microsoft on how to
uninstall SP-3.

Thanks for all efforts at helping.

I've decided to let Visioneer sell me a newer version which will work on
SP3. I've burned too much time for me and you guys too.
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Old February 15th 11, 05:33 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Etaoin Shrdlu[_2_]
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On 2/9/2011 5:32 AM, William Lurie wrote:
I've been trying to get my old, good Visioneer 8920 Scanner to work
(XPHome/SP3) and tried some suggestions from a scanner newsgroup without
success.

I *wrote* to Visioneer (no other way to communicate with them about a
non-current product) and actually got an e-mail answer, reading, in part:

"We just received your letter in the office today. I am sorry to hear
about the problems you have been having. I regret to inform you, your
Visioneer 8920 Scanner is not compatible w/ your operating system. The
last driver that was available for this unit was Windows XP, Service
Pack 1. It appears you are on Service Pack 3."

It's a nice machine, handles slides, and I hate to junk it for a newer
model. So I'm thinking of taking one of my backup clones and
uninstalling SP3 and SP2 and using it only for the scanner. Is this
asking for a can of worms? Is there a KB article maybe for doing it in
straightforward manner?


Have a look at VueScan, available he http://www.hamrick.com/

They have a trial version that you can download, and they specialize in
driving "legacy" scanners. Cost is $40 for the "standard" version. It
would be cheaper than a new scanner, and costs nothing to find out if
it'll work for you.


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