Connecting DSL to Win 10

I'm about to connect my CenturyLink DSL modem to Windows 10. This is a new
computer I haven't booted yet but want to have everything I need to know
before I set it up.

I aleady use this on a Windows XP computer successfully.

I prefer to use a wired connection rather than wi-fi.

Anything in particular I need to know or have researched before I do this?

Thanks much for any tips.



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On 12/5/18 10:00 AM, KenK wrote:
I'm about to connect my CenturyLink DSL modem to Windows 10. This is a new
computer I haven't booted yet but want to have everything I need to know
before I set it up.

I aleady use this on a Windows XP computer successfully.

I prefer to use a wired connection rather than wi-fi.

Anything in particular I need to know or have researched before I do this?

Thanks much for any tips.




Finish the Install of Windows 10. Then plug in
the Ethernet cable to your new computer. Should
be very uneventful.

Test your speed at http://speedof.me

KenK wrote:
I'm about to connect my CenturyLink DSL modem to Windows 10. This is a new
computer I haven't booted yet but want to have everything I need to know
before I set it up.

I aleady use this on a Windows XP computer successfully.

I prefer to use a wired connection rather than wi-fi.

Anything in particular I need to know or have researched before I do this?

Thanks much for any tips.

If you didn't do anything other than "plug it in"
to WinXP, then you shouldn't have to do any
more than that for Windows 10.

*******

If you provide the *Model Number* of the box, then
people will be able to identify whether it's a modem only
or a modem/router.

*******

I've always modified the settings on mine, and for
that, I usually need the username/password for the
ADSL service. The username could be an account
code, like A1234567 and the password might be
assigned by the ISP, like se45fv92. Sometimes
a reputable ISP will put all those little
numbers on a card in the modem box, and you can
tape the card to the equipment for later experiments.
If you were going to convert a modem/router to bridged
operation (modem only), you might need the VCI:VPI values.
That information isn't always on the card. A website like
DSLreports has all sorts of setup info for various ISPs.

For best results, start off using the *same cable*
the WinXP box was using, because you know that worked.
Rather than inserting some ethernet cable from the
junk room, which happens not to work.

You might want to Google the model number of the
box, see whether it's a modem, a modem/router,
whether it supports routed or bridged operation,
and whether a popular web page describes how
to set up the more obscure modes. I don't really
think you need to do anything, but "chance
favors a prepared mind". The more you know, the
more you'll be able to deal with the symptoms
as they arise.

In one case, my problem was, my "ISP service" wasn't
enabled yet, and all the crap I was doing in my
room, was for nothing :-) I visited the local Phone
Store, and a helpful person, after hearing my
tale of woe, said "I know who to phone...". And
the next day, my service was running. If I phoned
the "normal" service number, I kept getting the
"why don't you wait for tomorrow and see if it works"
routine. I hate that.

Paul

Paul wrote in news
KenK wrote:
I'm about to connect my CenturyLink DSL modem to Windows 10. This is
a new computer I haven't booted yet but want to have everything I
need to know before I set it up.

I aleady use this on a Windows XP computer successfully.

I prefer to use a wired connection rather than wi-fi.

Anything in particular I need to know or have researched before I do
this?

Thanks much for any tips.

If you didn't do anything other than "plug it in"
to WinXP, then you shouldn't have to do any
more than that for Windows 10.

*******

If you provide the *Model Number* of the box, then
people will be able to identify whether it's a modem only
or a modem/router.


Zyxel model number C1100Z.

*******

I've always modified the settings on mine, and for
that, I usually need the username/password for the
ADSL service. The username could be an account
code, like A1234567 and the password might be
assigned by the ISP, like se45fv92. Sometimes
a reputable ISP will put all those little
numbers on a card in the modem box, and you can
tape the card to the equipment for later experiments.
If you were going to convert a modem/router to bridged
operation (modem only), you might need the VCI:VPI values.
That information isn't always on the card. A website like
DSLreports has all sorts of setup info for various ISPs.

For best results, start off using the *same cable*
the WinXP box was using, because you know that worked.
Rather than inserting some ethernet cable from the
junk room, which happens not to work.

You might want to Google the model number of the
box, see whether it's a modem, a modem/router,
whether it supports routed or bridged operation,
and whether a popular web page describes how
to set up the more obscure modes. I don't really
think you need to do anything, but "chance
favors a prepared mind". The more you know, the
more you'll be able to deal with the symptoms
as they arise.

In one case, my problem was, my "ISP service" wasn't
enabled yet, and all the crap I was doing in my
room, was for nothing :-) I visited the local Phone
Store, and a helpful person, after hearing my
tale of woe, said "I know who to phone...". And
the next day, my service was running. If I phoned
the "normal" service number, I kept getting the
"why don't you wait for tomorrow and see if it works"
routine. I hate that.

Paul


Thank you. Need to print this out and digest it later when I have some
more time.



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KenK wrote:

Zyxel model number C1100Z

So you'll need to add a new PPoE "dialler" in control panel, network and
sharing

Andy Burns wrote:
KenK wrote:

Zyxel model number C1100Z

So you'll need to add a new PPoE "dialler" in control panel, network and
sharing

Looks like a serious piece of iron to me.

https://www.amazon.com/C1100Z-802-11.../dp/B015ELWZ16

Plug and play by the looks of it.

VDSL2 Modem/router/icecube_maker.

Nothing to learn, nothing to know :-)

If I owned it, I might check that the password
has been changed, if it's something like "admin:admin".
But Centurylink has probably programmed these in
the shop, for the correct setup.

Some of the rental boxes like that, have a huge
label adhered to them, with a bunch of long random
passwords, as proof they do care about not leaving
default passwords on stuff.

If you bought one of those at retail, on say Newegg,
they you'd be responsible for properly programming it
and securing it. For example, I did my own VOIP
setup using my ISP VOIP service, but I got the
tech support to print off the settings. Some ISP-grade
equipment, has a couple URL entries in the web setup,
which allow the box, every time it boots, to go out
and fetch the latest config and firmware info, keeping
the box secure. So that's a "pull" method, rather than
the "push" method they once used on rentals. (My first
broadband modem was a security nightmare, with known
exploits, but as soon as it's connected to the phone
company, they push out the patches to fix the spaghetti
security holes. The newer boxes "pull" on power-up.
You can enter the web interface and disable that
if you want.)

Paul

Paul wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

KenK wrote:

Zyxel model number C1100Z

So you'll need to add a new PPoE "dialler" in control panel, network
and sharing

VDSL2 Modem/router/icecube_maker.

Odd that century link just describe it as "a modem", when taking an
actual look, it is a combined modem/router/access point like everyone
else calls "a router"

ignore the PPPoE suggestion.

On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 18:51:17 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

KenK wrote:

Zyxel model number C1100Z

So you'll need to add a new PPoE "dialler" in control panel, network and
sharing

The PPPoE config should already be in the modem/router device, so by the
time the PC sees anything, it's plain old Ethernet. No need for PPPoE on
the PC.

Char Jackson wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

you'll need to add a new PPoE "dialler"

The PPPoE config should already be in the modem/router device, so by the
time the PC sees anything, it's plain old Ethernet. No need for PPPoE on
the PC.

Yeah, using a xDSL device as a modem or bridge device was/is pretty
rare, I shouldn't have believed the supplier's one-liner description.

On 5 Dec 2018 18:46:22 GMT, KenK wrote:

Paul wrote in news
KenK wrote:
I'm about to connect my CenturyLink DSL modem to Windows 10. This is
a new computer I haven't booted yet but want to have everything I
need to know before I set it up.

I aleady use this on a Windows XP computer successfully.

I prefer to use a wired connection rather than wi-fi.

Anything in particular I need to know or have researched before I do
this?

Thanks much for any tips.

If you didn't do anything other than "plug it in"
to WinXP, then you shouldn't have to do any
more than that for Windows 10.

*******

If you provide the *Model Number* of the box, then
people will be able to identify whether it's a modem only
or a modem/router.


Zyxel model number C1100Z.


It's a combination router/modem. Even without your providing the model
number I knew it was, since you said "I prefer to use a wired
connection rather than wi-fi." Boxes that are just modems never have
wi-fi connection.

And forgive me for being overly technical, but it's really a
combination router/gateway, not a router/modem. The term "modem" is
short for "MOdulator-DEModulator." Technically, it's a device that
converts the analog signal on the telephone line to the digital signal
needed by a computer, and vice-versa. Technically, any device that
doesn't do that analog to digital conversion is not a modem (Here's my
standard post on modems:

A device that connects to a high-speed internet connection is properly
called a "gateway," not a modem, because that high-speed internet
connection is digital to begin with. So there's no analog to digital
conversion, no modulating or demodulating is required, and the term
"modem" is technically inappropriate.

However, the difference between a modem and a gateway is not widely
known, and the term "modem" is widely used for both types of devices.
Some people strenuously object to this usage, because it's not
technically correct. My personal feeling is that, leaving aside the
analog to digital conversion issue, both devices do essentially the
same thing--they connect a computer (or network) to the internet.
Since there is no term that is really correct for any device that
connects a computer to the internet, and since the term "modem" is so
widely used for this, I think insisting that a gateway not be called a
modem is just rigid and inflexible.

Despite the original meaning of the term, for all practical purposes,
calling that DSL or cable device on your desk a "modem" is far and
away the best thing to do. Like so many English words, the word
"modem" has changed its meaning over time.

A router by itself doesn't connect to the internet. Since you have a
device that does, it's a combination of a router and a DSL (or cable)
modem in a single box.

Such combination boxes are becoming more common, but some of us prefer
and have individual boxes. In my home, for example, I have a separate
DSL modem and a router. As with printer/scanners and computer/video
screens, I prefer separate devices, so if one dies they don't both
have to be replaced.

In article , Ken Blake
wrote:

A device that connects to a high-speed internet connection is properly
called a "gateway," not a modem, because that high-speed internet
connection is digital to begin with. So there's no analog to digital
conversion, no modulating or demodulating is required, and the term
"modem" is technically inappropriate.

for dsl, it is a modem.

for other types of broadband, it may or may not be a modem.

However, the difference between a modem and a gateway is not widely
known, and the term "modem" is widely used for both types of devices.
Some people strenuously object to this usage, because it's not
technically correct. My personal feeling is that, leaving aside the
analog to digital conversion issue, both devices do essentially the
same thing--they connect a computer (or network) to the internet.
Since there is no term that is really correct for any device that
connects a computer to the internet, and since the term "modem" is so
widely used for this, I think insisting that a gateway not be called a
modem is just rigid and inflexible.

then why are you making a big deal about it?

Despite the original meaning of the term, for all practical purposes,
calling that DSL or cable device on your desk a "modem" is far and
away the best thing to do. Like so many English words, the word
"modem" has changed its meaning over time.

the meaning hasn't changed. what changed is usage and the difference
does not matter.

A router by itself doesn't connect to the internet. Since you have a
device that does, it's a combination of a router and a DSL (or cable)
modem in a single box.

false.

in some cases, a router *does* directly connect to the internet.

mine certainly does.

Such combination boxes are becoming more common, but some of us prefer
and have individual boxes. In my home, for example, I have a separate
DSL modem and a router. As with printer/scanners and computer/video
screens, I prefer separate devices, so if one dies they don't both
have to be replaced.

sometimes separate devices are useful and sometimes they're not.

a combo device can sometimes do things not possible with separate
devices. combo devices are also less clutter.

for example, a combo printer/scanner can function as a copying machine
with the tap of a button. the ones with sheet feeders are even more
convenient.

On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 14:40:58 -0500, nospam wrote:

in some cases, a router *does* directly connect to the internet.

In the UK domestic 'routers' connect to a local Digital Subscriber
Line Access Multiplexer (property of OpenReach) that routes your
traffic to somewhere in your ISP's network before it hits the
'Internet'.

On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 12:04:48 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

And forgive me for being overly technical, but it's really a
combination router/gateway, not a router/modem. The term "modem" is
short for "MOdulator-DEModulator." Technically, it's a device that
converts the analog signal on the telephone line to the digital signal
needed by a computer, and vice-versa. Technically, any device that
doesn't do that analog to digital conversion is not a modem (Here's my
standard post on modems:

Are you telling me that a DSL 'device' doesn't modulate the digital
signal over an analogue line into several different frequency bins and
demodulate what it receives back into digital? If you are saying that
then just how does it work?

It's still the sane old analogue telephone line until it gets a
modulator and demodulator at each end to make it a digital subscriber
line.

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On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 22:04:38 +0000 (GMT), "rp"
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 12:04:48 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

And forgive me for being overly technical, but it's really a
combination router/gateway, not a router/modem. The term "modem" is
short for "MOdulator-DEModulator." Technically, it's a device that
converts the analog signal on the telephone line to the digital signal
needed by a computer, and vice-versa. Technically, any device that
doesn't do that analog to digital conversion is not a modem (Here's my
standard post on modems:

Are you telling me that a DSL 'device' doesn't modulate the digital
signal over an analogue line into several different frequency bins and
demodulate what it receives back into digital? If you are saying that
then just how does it work?


What I wrote is my understanding of how it works. If you want more
details, sorry, I'm the wrong person to ask and I can't provide them.



It's still the sane old analogue telephone line until it gets a
modulator and demodulator at each end to make it a digital subscriber
line.

On 12/5/2018 5:04 PM, rp wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 12:04:48 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

And forgive me for being overly technical, but it's really a
combination router/gateway, not a router/modem. The term "modem" is
short for "MOdulator-DEModulator." Technically, it's a device that
converts the analog signal on the telephone line to the digital signal
needed by a computer, and vice-versa. Technically, any device that
doesn't do that analog to digital conversion is not a modem (Here's my
standard post on modems:

Are you telling me that a DSL 'device' doesn't modulate the digital
signal over an analogue line into several different frequency bins and
demodulate what it receives back into digital? If you are saying that
then just how does it work?

It's still the sane old analogue telephone line until it gets a
modulator and demodulator at each end to make it a digital subscriber
line.

I don't know if I am right but I always suspect that when the telephone
went digital in the 1980's, the differnce in the transmission of the
digital conversation and data converged into the same basic system.

I assumed this because of the a telephone number is the same number of
digits as a URL

192.168.01.01
919-333-3636

Is this assumption correct?







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