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Old May 5th 17, 11:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Micky
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Default Suddently takes 3 tries and 10 minutes to start-up winXP

A winXP question, but a serious one, so I'm asking for help from
v10-hotshots too.

My Acer Netbook (about 8 to 10 years old, model not remembered but on
request) has been working fine, except for the usual Firefox too many
tabs problem. This time I closed Windows normally and the next time I
tried to boot it, 10 or 15 minutes went by and nothing showed on the
screen. Nothing on the screen when I started, in the middle, or when
I got tired and turned the computer off.

Turned it off with the power button, and on restart, it did nothing
again, for 10 or 15 minutes. Much of the time the harddrive light was
on steadily. Sometimes it flickered and then went back to steady.

On the third try it started, but took much longer than normal, and it
displayed nothing along the way until the very end it displayed a blue
screen with a couple horizontal bars and Windows is Starting.

It's hard to believe but at the start it didn't even display the
startup options to go into the BIOS, etc.

But everything worked fine once it did start. After 8 hours of use,
the web browser (SeaMonkey) was slowing down, so I restarted it.

Same problems. Finally started on 3rd try, but took 10 minute to do
so. Working fine again.

What is the problem? What to do? I'm on vacation and if the whole
thing fails, I don't have equipment to "fix it" or even salvage data
from the HDD.)

Thanks for any help you can offer.


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Old May 5th 17, 11:18 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Suddently takes 3 tries and 10 minutes to start-up winXP

On 05/05/2017 05:06 AM, Micky wrote:
A winXP question, but a serious one, so I'm asking for help from
v10-hotshots too.

My Acer Netbook (about 8 to 10 years old, model not remembered but on
request) has been working fine, except for the usual Firefox too many
tabs problem. This time I closed Windows normally and the next time I
tried to boot it, 10 or 15 minutes went by and nothing showed on the
screen. Nothing on the screen when I started, in the middle, or when
I got tired and turned the computer off.

Turned it off with the power button, and on restart, it did nothing
again, for 10 or 15 minutes. Much of the time the harddrive light was
on steadily. Sometimes it flickered and then went back to steady.



After a bad shut-down Windows will typically run CHKDSK /F. then reboot.

The monitor sometimes will be completely dark when that is happing and
you are only going to make things worse by just shutting things down.

If you turn off the splash screen you may be able to view what's happening


https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-disa...config-2626116

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Old May 5th 17, 12:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Lucifer Morningstar
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Default Suddently takes 3 tries and 10 minutes to start-up winXP

On Fri, 05 May 2017 13:06:52 +0300, Micky wrote:

A winXP question, but a serious one, so I'm asking for help from
v10-hotshots too.

My Acer Netbook (about 8 to 10 years old, model not remembered but on
request) has been working fine, except for the usual Firefox too many
tabs problem. This time I closed Windows normally and the next time I
tried to boot it, 10 or 15 minutes went by and nothing showed on the
screen. Nothing on the screen when I started, in the middle, or when
I got tired and turned the computer off.

Turned it off with the power button, and on restart, it did nothing
again, for 10 or 15 minutes. Much of the time the harddrive light was
on steadily. Sometimes it flickered and then went back to steady.

On the third try it started, but took much longer than normal, and it
displayed nothing along the way until the very end it displayed a blue
screen with a couple horizontal bars and Windows is Starting.

It's hard to believe but at the start it didn't even display the
startup options to go into the BIOS, etc.

But everything worked fine once it did start. After 8 hours of use,
the web browser (SeaMonkey) was slowing down, so I restarted it.

Same problems. Finally started on 3rd try, but took 10 minute to do
so. Working fine again.

What is the problem? What to do? I'm on vacation and if the whole
thing fails, I don't have equipment to "fix it" or even salvage data
from the HDD.)

Thanks for any help you can offer.


I suggest trying to boot from CD or USB drive.
If that works maybe do a chkdsk on the internal hard drive.
A repair reinstall will refresh XP without changing any settings.
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Old May 5th 17, 02:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
dadiOH[_3_]
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Default Suddently takes 3 tries and 10 minutes to start-up winXP


"Micky" wrote in message
...
A winXP question, but a serious one, so I'm asking for help from
v10-hotshots too.

My Acer Netbook (about 8 to 10 years old, model not remembered but on
request) has been working fine, except for the usual Firefox too many
tabs problem. This time I closed Windows normally and the next time I
tried to boot it, 10 or 15 minutes went by and nothing showed on the
screen. Nothing on the screen when I started, in the middle, or when
I got tired and turned the computer off.

Turned it off with the power button, and on restart, it did nothing
again, for 10 or 15 minutes. Much of the time the harddrive light was
on steadily. Sometimes it flickered and then went back to steady.

On the third try it started, but took much longer than normal, and it
displayed nothing along the way until the very end it displayed a blue
screen with a couple horizontal bars and Windows is Starting.

It's hard to believe but at the start it didn't even display the
startup options to go into the BIOS, etc.

But everything worked fine once it did start. After 8 hours of use,
the web browser (SeaMonkey) was slowing down, so I restarted it.

Same problems. Finally started on 3rd try, but took 10 minute to do
so. Working fine again.

What is the problem? What to do? I'm on vacation and if the whole
thing fails, I don't have equipment to "fix it" or even salvage data
from the HDD.)


Obviously, it is having trouble reading the HD. Could be the HD itself,
mobo, other. If it were me I would avoid using the computer til it could be
checked out. If I just had to use it I would be copying off my personal
stuff to a thumb drive.


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Old May 5th 17, 08:28 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Micky
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Default Suddently takes 3 tries and 10 minutes to start-up winXP

On Fri, 5 May 2017 09:17:30 -0400, "dadiOH" wrote:


"Micky" wrote in message
.. .
A winXP question, but a serious one, so I'm asking for help from
v10-hotshots too.

My Acer Netbook (about 8 to 10 years old, model not remembered but on
request) has been working fine, except for the usual Firefox too many
tabs problem. This time I closed Windows normally and the next time I
tried to boot it, 10 or 15 minutes went by and nothing showed on the
screen. Nothing on the screen when I started, in the middle, or when
I got tired and turned the computer off.

Turned it off with the power button, and on restart, it did nothing
again, for 10 or 15 minutes. Much of the time the harddrive light was
on steadily. Sometimes it flickered and then went back to steady.

On the third try it started, but took much longer than normal, and it
displayed nothing along the way until the very end it displayed a blue
screen with a couple horizontal bars and Windows is Starting.

It's hard to believe but at the start it didn't even display the
startup options to go into the BIOS, etc.

But everything worked fine once it did start. After 8 hours of use,
the web browser (SeaMonkey) was slowing down, so I restarted it.

Same problems. Finally started on 3rd try, but took 10 minute to do
so. Working fine again.

What is the problem? What to do? I'm on vacation and if the whole
thing fails, I don't have equipment to "fix it" or even salvage data
from the HDD.)


Obviously, it is having trouble reading the HD. Could be the HD itself,
mobo, other. If it were me I would avoid using the computer til it could be
checked out. If I just had to use it I would be copying off my personal
stuff to a thumb drive.


Good advice, I'm sure. Most of that is already taken care of.
Usenet will be duplicarted when I get home, except for the outbox,
which I don't think I know how to merge anyhow. (Although I asked and
maybe I got a good answer. Have to read that again.)

Combining Eudora mailboxes is easy and I'm not deleting any mail off
the server so all my incoming will be there to dl, and I set up the
stationery so that I'm sending a copy of all my outgoing to myself.
When I get back, if this netbook has failed and I can't copy its
outbox to the home PC outbox, I will filter email to me that's also
from me into my outbox.

That leaves the bookmarks and url history, and I knew how to back up
Firefox, and I brought with me the bat file that copies them to
another drive, but I don't know the file names for Sea Monkey, that
I'm using now and which works a lot better in XP on a netbook that has
only 1gig RAM.

Are the file names the same, by any chance?

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Old May 5th 17, 11:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default Suddently takes 3 tries and 10 minutes to start-up winXP

In message , Micky
writes:
[]
That leaves the bookmarks and url history, and I knew how to back up
Firefox, and I brought with me the bat file that copies them to
another drive, but I don't know the file names for Sea Monkey, that
I'm using now and which works a lot better in XP on a netbook that has
only 1gig RAM.

[]
Not that it is any reason not to be concerned about the HD and other
hardware, but can you easily double the RAM? When I bought this netbook
(towards the end of the XP era), it also came with only 1G, and (having
heard it was advisable) I bought a 2G stick at the same time. It was
some months before I got round to fitting it, and it seemed to make
little or no difference - but then Task Manager showed I was rarely
getting anywhere near 1G. As time has passed, usage _has_ gone up -
browsers being the main culprit, and I now _do_ exceed 1G a lot of the
time (have even passed the 2 very occasionally of late).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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Old May 6th 17, 04:11 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
mike[_10_]
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Default Suddently takes 3 tries and 10 minutes to start-up winXP

On 5/5/2017 3:06 AM, Micky wrote:
A winXP question, but a serious one, so I'm asking for help from
v10-hotshots too.

My Acer Netbook (about 8 to 10 years old, model not remembered but on
request) has been working fine, except for the usual Firefox too many
tabs problem. This time I closed Windows normally and the next time I
tried to boot it, 10 or 15 minutes went by and nothing showed on the
screen. Nothing on the screen when I started, in the middle, or when
I got tired and turned the computer off.

Turned it off with the power button, and on restart, it did nothing
again, for 10 or 15 minutes. Much of the time the harddrive light was
on steadily. Sometimes it flickered and then went back to steady.

On the third try it started, but took much longer than normal, and it
displayed nothing along the way until the very end it displayed a blue
screen with a couple horizontal bars and Windows is Starting.

It's hard to believe but at the start it didn't even display the
startup options to go into the BIOS, etc.

But everything worked fine once it did start. After 8 hours of use,
the web browser (SeaMonkey) was slowing down, so I restarted it.

Same problems. Finally started on 3rd try, but took 10 minute to do
so. Working fine again.

What is the problem? What to do? I'm on vacation and if the whole
thing fails, I don't have equipment to "fix it" or even salvage data
from the HDD.)

Thanks for any help you can offer.


It's worth the effort to check the CPU fan.
A large percentage of slowdown or boot problems I've
encountered have been due to a CPU heatsink full of cat hair.
  #8  
Old May 6th 17, 07:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Micky
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Default Suddently takes 3 tries and 10 minutes to start-up winXP

On Fri, 5 May 2017 23:41:26 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Micky
writes:
[]
That leaves the bookmarks and url history, and I knew how to back up
Firefox, and I brought with me the bat file that copies them to
another drive, but I don't know the file names for Sea Monkey, that
I'm using now and which works a lot better in XP on a netbook that has
only 1gig RAM.

[]
Not that it is any reason not to be concerned about the HD and other
hardware, but can you easily double the RAM? When I bought this netbook
(towards the end of the XP era), it also came with only 1G, and (having
heard it was advisable) I bought a 2G stick at the same time. It was
some months before I got round to fitting it, and it seemed to make
little or no difference - but then Task Manager showed I was rarely
getting anywhere near 1G. As time has passed, usage _has_ gone up -
browsers being the main culprit, and I now _do_ exceed 1G a lot of the
time (have even passed the 2 very occasionally of late).


By golly, it will take 2G. This is the second computer for which I've
thought it had as much RAM as it could hold. I will look into what
fits it and what they sell when I get home.

Meanwhile, it has occurred to me that just before I started haiving
this startup problem, when shutting down the previous night, it
installed 6 XP updates. Is there any chance one of them has slowed
startup, and is there a place where the Uninstall files for them is
located?
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Old May 6th 17, 11:57 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default Suddently takes 3 tries and 10 minutes to start-up winXP

In message , Micky
writes:
[]
By golly, it will take 2G. This is the second computer for which I've
thought it had as much RAM as it could hold. I will look into what
fits it and what they sell when I get home.


If it's the same as mine (Samsung NC20, though I think the 10 is the
same), 2G is the biggest stick you can fit, and it only has one slot (so
you have to take out the 1G one).

Mike's suggestion of checking the ventilation is worth following: is
there a reasonable draught coming out of it somewhere, or just a gentle
(and hot!) breeze? Worth trying one of the utilities that reports
whatever temperature sensors it can find - I use
http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php, but there are plenty of such
utilities. Although if it's responsive enough after booting, that's
probably not the cause (but worth checking anyway; [a] if it gets _too_
hot, it will just shut itself off suddenly to prevent damage, [b] I have
a strong suspicion this is what caused my disc drive to spotweld s
couple of years ago, before I'd realised the fan was failing). If you
_think_ it's responsive enough once booted, see if that still applies
when it has to access the disc: I had a friend whose computer was quite
responsive enough when you were just working with RAM (which covers a
surprising amount of time - e. g. reading emails, even editing a
document most of the time), but crawled when it had to access the disc
(which was failing - took a quarter of an hour to boot, and I think that
was Windows 98!).

Meanwhile, it has occurred to me that just before I started haiving
this startup problem, when shutting down the previous night, it
installed 6 XP updates. Is there any chance one of them has slowed
startup, and is there a place where the Uninstall files for them is
located?


I take it you either have applied the POS hack, or hadn't used it for a
_very_ long time! Even with the POS hack, my latest seems to contain
files dated 2016-6-17, and is (you'll almost certainly have to (Tools,
Folder Options, View) change Hidden files and folders to Show to see
these folders) C:\Windows\$NtUninstallKB3164035$ (one of _many_
$NtUninstall...$ folders there); it has what looks like an uninstall
..exe in a subfolder (as do most of the few I just looked at). But
whether these are safe to run, I have no idea; (a) image before you try
if you can, (b) I'd do them last one first - but I'd wait until someone
more knowledgeable than me (e. g. Paul, VanguardLH, etc.) comes along to
advise on doing this.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Intelligence isn't complete without the full picture and the full picture is
all about doubt. Otherwise, you go the way of George Bush. - baroness Eliza
Manningham-Buller (former head of MI5), Radio Times 3-9 September 2011.
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Old May 7th 17, 08:02 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Micky
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On Sat, 6 May 2017 11:57:06 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Micky
writes:
[]
By golly, it will take 2G. This is the second computer for which I've
thought it had as much RAM as it could hold. I will look into what
fits it and what they sell when I get home.


If it's the same as mine (Samsung NC20, though I think the 10 is the
same), 2G is the biggest stick you can fit, and it only has one slot (so
you have to take out the 1G one).

Mike's suggestion of checking the ventilation is worth following: is
there a reasonable draught coming out of it somewhere, or just a gentle
(and hot!) breeze? Worth trying one of the utilities that reports
whatever temperature sensors it can find - I use
http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php, but there are plenty of such
utilities. Although if it's responsive enough after booting, that's
probably not the cause (but worth checking anyway; [a] if it gets _too_
hot, it will just shut itself off suddenly to prevent damage, [b] I have
a strong suspicion this is what caused my disc drive to spotweld s
couple of years ago, before I'd realised the fan was failing). If you
_think_ it's responsive enough once booted, see if that still applies
when it has to access the disc: I had a friend whose computer was quite
responsive enough when you were just working with RAM (which covers a
surprising amount of time - e. g. reading emails, even editing a
document most of the time), but crawled when it had to access the disc
(which was failing - took a quarter of an hour to boot, and I think that
was Windows 98!).

Meanwhile, it has occurred to me that just before I started haiving
this startup problem, when shutting down the previous night, it
installed 6 XP updates. Is there any chance one of them has slowed
startup, and is there a place where the Uninstall files for them is
located?


I take it you either have applied the POS hack, or hadn't used it for a


Right.

_very_ long time! Even with the POS hack, my latest seems to contain
files dated 2016-6-17, and is (you'll almost certainly have to (Tools,
Folder Options, View) change Hidden files and folders to Show to see
these folders) C:\Windows\$NtUninstallKB3164035$ (one of _many_
$NtUninstall...$ folders there); it has what looks like an uninstall
.exe in a subfolder (as do most of the few I just looked at). But
whether these are safe to run, I have no idea; (a) image before you try
if you can, (b) I'd do them last one first - but I'd wait until someone
more knowledgeable than me (e. g. Paul, VanguardLH, etc.) comes along to
advise on doing this.


I didn't get to be president of a 4 billion dollar a year corporation
by waiting for Paul and Vanguard.

Wait... My company doesn't do 4 billion a year.

.... Wait. I don't have a corporation!

But I still didn't wait. There was only one directory for the
appriate date like the one you have above. It had a txt file which
didon't contain anything valuable. And it had spuninst.exe, which I
figured would uninstall the right one (since every folder had that
same exe file)

So I ran it and it had about 8 steps.
Assessing the situation, and it told me that the update had affected
net framework 4 and ie8. I installed NF4 for a program that it turned
out wouldn't run on XP anyhow, but uninstalls scare me so I left it, I
almost never use ie8. While FF and SMonkey have gotten better, IE8
stays an 8.
Checking for space
Closing services
Something about catalogs
Doing pre-uninstall stuff.

The first 4 ran almost instantaneously, the last took a few seconds.
Then it uninstalled and it also
Did post-uninstall stuff
Revised the registry
Something about catalogs.
Started services.

I've forgottent 1 step at most, but maybe none.

And it seems to have worked. Windows closed and reopened in 4
minutes. And last night I hibernated and it woke from that fine.

Even though I took the advice and cancelled the splash screen, I
didn't see any more. Either starting or coming out of hibernation ??

I wonder if it will offer to install the same update(s) again? LIke
an idiot, I didn't write down its number, even though I know it might
delete the relevant files. Which it did.

Fortunately I was smart enough to look in windows.log , which only
goes back a month, and had nothing about uninstalling today. That
really surprises me. But it does have about the install on 5/3, and
it says:

01:47:35:062+0300 1 193 102
{00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000} 0 0
AutomaticUpdates Success Content Install Restart Required: To
complete the installation of the following updates, the computer must
be restarted. Until this computer has been restarted, Windows cannot
search for or download new updates: - Security Update for WES09 and
POSReady 2009 (KB4015383) - April, 2017 Security and Quality Rollup
for .NET Framework 4 on WES09 and POSReady 2009 (KB4014570) -
Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 8 for WES09 and
POSReady 2009 (KB4014661) - Security Update for Microsoft .NET
Framework 4 for WEPOS and POSReady 2009 (KB3135993) - Security Update
for Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0 SP2 on Windows Server 2003 and
Windows XP x86 (KB2756918) - April, 2017 Security and Quality Rollup
for .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 on WES09 and POSReady 2009 (KB4014580)

So it looks like I uninstalled 6 different updates. That's the number
I thought there were that night, but it would be nice to be able to
uninstall one at a time. When in the first step it gave me a list
of 3 programs that would be affected, it only gave Accept or Cancel as
choices.

"Until this computer has been restarted, Windows cannot search for or
download new updates: " That seemed to be the case but this is the
first time I've seen it in print. It seems to be part of the message
sent when system downloads are offered, but I've never seen this line.
Have you?


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Old May 7th 17, 09:13 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default Suddently takes 3 tries and 10 minutes to start-up winXP

In message , Micky
writes:
On Sat, 6 May 2017 11:57:06 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Micky
writes:

[]
Meanwhile, it has occurred to me that just before I started haiving
this startup problem, when shutting down the previous night, it
installed 6 XP updates. Is there any chance one of them has slowed
startup, and is there a place where the Uninstall files for them is
located?


I take it you either have applied the POS hack, or hadn't used it for a


Right.

_very_ long time! Even with the POS hack, my latest seems to contain
files dated 2016-6-17, and is (you'll almost certainly have to (Tools,
Folder Options, View) change Hidden files and folders to Show to see
these folders) C:\Windows\$NtUninstallKB3164035$ (one of _many_
$NtUninstall...$ folders there); it has what looks like an uninstall
.exe in a subfolder (as do most of the few I just looked at). But

[]
But I still didn't wait. There was only one directory for the
appriate date like the one you have above. It had a txt file which
didon't contain anything valuable. And it had spuninst.exe, which I
figured would uninstall the right one (since every folder had that
same exe file)


Aye, the ones I looked at had a file called that. (I'm guessing it means
"service pack uninstall", even though they weren't service packs in the
same sense as SP1, 2, and 3. Unless someone knows otherwise.)

So I ran it and it had about 8 steps.
Assessing the situation, and it told me that the update had affected
net framework 4 and ie8. I installed NF4 for a program that it turned
out wouldn't run on XP anyhow, but uninstalls scare me so I left it, I
almost never use ie8. While FF and SMonkey have gotten better, IE8
stays an 8.
Checking for space
Closing services
Something about catalogs
Doing pre-uninstall stuff.

The first 4 ran almost instantaneously, the last took a few seconds.
Then it uninstalled and it also
Did post-uninstall stuff
Revised the registry
Something about catalogs.
Started services.

I've forgottent 1 step at most, but maybe none.


Thanks for doing the experiment and giving that description.

And it seems to have worked. Windows closed and reopened in 4
minutes. And last night I hibernated and it woke from that fine.


Glad it seems to have sorted things for you!

Even though I took the advice and cancelled the splash screen, I
didn't see any more. Either starting or coming out of hibernation ??

I wonder if it will offer to install the same update(s) again? LIke
an idiot, I didn't write down its number, even though I know it might
delete the relevant files. Which it did.

Fortunately I was smart enough to look in windows.log , which only
goes back a month, and had nothing about uninstalling today. That
really surprises me. But it does have about the install on 5/3, and


It disappoints me, but it doesn't surprise me (-:.

it says:

01:47:35:062+0300 1 193 102
{00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000} 0 0
AutomaticUpdates Success Content Install Restart Required: To
complete the installation of the following updates, the computer must
be restarted. Until this computer has been restarted, Windows cannot
search for or download new updates: - Security Update for WES09 and
POSReady 2009 (KB4015383) - April, 2017 Security and Quality Rollup
for .NET Framework 4 on WES09 and POSReady 2009 (KB4014570) -
Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 8 for WES09 and
POSReady 2009 (KB4014661) - Security Update for Microsoft .NET
Framework 4 for WEPOS and POSReady 2009 (KB3135993) - Security Update
for Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0 SP2 on Windows Server 2003 and
Windows XP x86 (KB2756918) - April, 2017 Security and Quality Rollup
for .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 on WES09 and POSReady 2009 (KB4014580)

So it looks like I uninstalled 6 different updates. That's the number
I thought there were that night, but it would be nice to be able to
uninstall one at a time. When in the first step it gave me a list
of 3 programs that would be affected, it only gave Accept or Cancel as
choices.


Useful to know it does that - says what will be affected and gives you
the option to cancel. (Though unfortunately we don't know if all the
spuninst.exes will do that. Anyone else know?)

"Until this computer has been restarted, Windows cannot search for or
download new updates: " That seemed to be the case but this is the
first time I've seen it in print. It seems to be part of the message
sent when system downloads are offered, but I've never seen this line.
Have you?

No, but (AFAICR) I've never actually run one of these spuninst.exe
files, and I'm not sure whether I've ever looked in/at windows.log
either. (In fact - I've got Everything.exe open at the moment - I may
not have such a file; Everything's certainly not seeing one, but it may
need extra permissions or something to see it. Where's yours?)

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Old May 7th 17, 11:59 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 7 May 2017 09:13:32 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Micky
writes:
On Sat, 6 May 2017 11:57:06 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Micky
writes:

[]
Meanwhile, it has occurred to me that just before I started haiving
this startup problem, when shutting down the previous night, it
installed 6 XP updates. Is there any chance one of them has slowed
startup, and is there a place where the Uninstall files for them is
located?

I take it you either have applied the POS hack, or hadn't used it for a


Right.

_very_ long time! Even with the POS hack, my latest seems to contain
files dated 2016-6-17, and is (you'll almost certainly have to (Tools,
Folder Options, View) change Hidden files and folders to Show to see
these folders) C:\Windows\$NtUninstallKB3164035$ (one of _many_
$NtUninstall...$ folders there); it has what looks like an uninstall
.exe in a subfolder (as do most of the few I just looked at). But

[]
But I still didn't wait. There was only one directory for the
appriate date like the one you have above. It had a txt file which
didon't contain anything valuable. And it had spuninst.exe, which I
figured would uninstall the right one (since every folder had that
same exe file)


Aye, the ones I looked at had a file called that. (I'm guessing it means
"service pack uninstall", even though they weren't service packs in the
same sense as SP1, 2, and 3. Unless someone knows otherwise.)


When you've got a good name, you stick with it.

So I ran it and it had about 8 steps.
Assessing the situation, and it told me that the update had affected
net framework 4 and ie8. I installed NF4 for a program that it turned
out wouldn't run on XP anyhow, but uninstalls scare me so I left it, I
almost never use ie8. While FF and SMonkey have gotten better, IE8
stays an 8.
Checking for space
Closing services
Something about catalogs
Doing pre-uninstall stuff.

The first 4 ran almost instantaneously, the last took a few seconds.
Then it uninstalled and it also
Did post-uninstall stuff


By this and the pre-install stuff, that's what it said. It didn't
give any details about what the stuff was. Or use the word "stuff".

Revised the registry
Something about catalogs.
Started services.

I've forgottent 1 step at most, but maybe none.


Thanks for doing the experiment and giving that description.

And it seems to have worked. Windows closed and reopened in 4
minutes. And last night I hibernated and it woke from that fine.


Glad it seems to have sorted things for you!


Thanks.

Even though I took the advice and cancelled the splash screen, I
didn't see any more. Either starting or coming out of hibernation ??

I wonder if it will offer to install the same update(s) again? LIke
an idiot, I didn't write down its number, even though I know it might
delete the relevant files. Which it did.

Fortunately I was smart enough to look in windows.log , which only
goes back a month, and had nothing about uninstalling today. That
really surprises me. But it does have about the install on 5/3, and


It disappoints me, but it doesn't surprise me (-:.


I'm an eternal optimist. It's the optimists who are depressed,
because they are repeatedly getting disappointed. The pessimists can
be happier because things go as well as or better than expected.

it says:

01:47:35:062+0300 1 193 102
{00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000} 0 0
AutomaticUpdates Success Content Install Restart Required: To
complete the installation of the following updates, the computer must
be restarted. Until this computer has been restarted, Windows cannot
search for or download new updates: - Security Update for WES09 and
POSReady 2009 (KB4015383) - April, 2017 Security and Quality Rollup
for .NET Framework 4 on WES09 and POSReady 2009 (KB4014570) -
Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 8 for WES09 and
POSReady 2009 (KB4014661) - Security Update for Microsoft .NET
Framework 4 for WEPOS and POSReady 2009 (KB3135993) - Security Update
for Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0 SP2 on Windows Server 2003 and
Windows XP x86 (KB2756918) - April, 2017 Security and Quality Rollup
for .NET Framework 2.0 SP2 on WES09 and POSReady 2009 (KB4014580)

So it looks like I uninstalled 6 different updates. That's the number
I thought there were that night, but it would be nice to be able to
uninstall one at a time. When in the first step it gave me a list
of 3 programs that would be affected, it only gave Accept or Cancel as
choices.


Useful to know it does that - says what will be affected and gives you
the option to cancel. (Though unfortunately we don't know if all the
spuninst.exes will do that. Anyone else know?)


This is my only experience, but I have the feeling it always does
that. It seems to have available the text that came with that set of
downloads and maybe from that it makes up the list (rather than from
links within the updates)

Hmm. I didn't read the list closely but I know it had 3 lines and one
was IE8, one net framework 4, and I think the other was NF 3. IOW
there was no item for NF 2, even though it's in the paragraph above.

Split by lines:
Security Update for WES09 and POSReady 2009 (KB4015383) -

== I don't know what WES09 is, but this item didn't seem to have a
line in assessment, maybe because no particular program is affected.

April, 2017 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 4 on
WES09 and POSReady 2009 (KB4014570) -
Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 8 for WES09 and
POSReady 2009 (KB4014661) -
Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4 for WEPOS and
POSReady 2009 (KB3135993) -
Security Update for Microsoft .NET Framework 3.0 SP2 on Windows
Server 2003 and Windows XP x86 (KB2756918) -
April, 2017 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 2.0 SP2
on WES09 and POSReady 2009 (KB4014580)

== Nor I think did NF 2.


"Until this computer has been restarted, Windows cannot search for or
download new updates: " That seemed to be the case but this is the
first time I've seen it in print. It seems to be part of the message
sent when system downloads are offered, but I've never seen this line.
Have you?

No, but (AFAICR) I've never actually run one of these spuninst.exe



I don't mean one would have to run the uninstall. That paragraph
looks like it is what fills the details area of the Update box,
related to the yellow shield in the systray, except its split up by
item. Just about everything in the paragraph I see when I look at the
update box except for that one sentence.

files, and I'm not sure whether I've ever looked in/at windows.log
either. (In fact - I've got Everything.exe open at the moment - I may
not have such a file; Everything's certainly not seeing one, but it may
need extra permissions or something to see it. Where's yours?)


C:\windows\$NtUninstallKB2nnnnnn$\spuninst\

The attributes for the folder one level up are HDC, hidden, directory,
and I don't remember what C is. The attributes for the one I have
written are DC, but iirc it's hidden because the one above it is.

Hmmm, there were 8 of them for 9/28/2010, but I think they were 8
groups since I thats' when the computer was sold. (It's only 6 1/2
years old, not 8 to 10. )


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Old May 7th 17, 12:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In message , Micky
writes:
On Sun, 7 May 2017 09:13:32 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

[]
files, and I'm not sure whether I've ever looked in/at windows.log
either. (In fact - I've got Everything.exe open at the moment - I may
not have such a file; Everything's certainly not seeing one, but it may
need extra permissions or something to see it. Where's yours?)


C:\windows\$NtUninstallKB2nnnnnn$\spuninst\


Ah, so it created a windows.log in the spuninst directory. I see.

The attributes for the folder one level up are HDC, hidden, directory,
and I don't remember what C is. The attributes for the one I have
written are DC, but iirc it's hidden because the one above it is.


(Compressed maybe? Controlled access?)

Hmmm, there were 8 of them for 9/28/2010, but I think they were 8


The ninth of ... Oh, I see. I use the ISO format to avoid that confusion
(and to keep happy those who must have month first). [It has always
amused me that their most significant day (Independence) is always
referred to our way round ...]

groups since I thats' when the computer was sold. (It's only 6 1/2
years old, not 8 to 10. )


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Old May 7th 17, 12:11 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 05 May 2017 21:46:34 +1000, Lucifer Morningstar
wrote:

On Fri, 05 May 2017 13:06:52 +0300, Micky wrote:

A winXP question, but a serious one, so I'm asking for help from
v10-hotshots too.

My Acer Netbook (about 8 to 10 years old, model not remembered but on
request) has been working fine, except for the usual Firefox too many
tabs problem. This time I closed Windows normally and the next time I
tried to boot it, 10 or 15 minutes went by and nothing showed on the
screen. Nothing on the screen when I started, in the middle, or when
I got tired and turned the computer off.

Turned it off with the power button, and on restart, it did nothing
again, for 10 or 15 minutes. Much of the time the harddrive light was
on steadily. Sometimes it flickered and then went back to steady.

On the third try it started, but took much longer than normal, and it
displayed nothing along the way until the very end it displayed a blue
screen with a couple horizontal bars and Windows is Starting.

It's hard to believe but at the start it didn't even display the
startup options to go into the BIOS, etc.

But everything worked fine once it did start. After 8 hours of use,
the web browser (SeaMonkey) was slowing down, so I restarted it.

Same problems. Finally started on 3rd try, but took 10 minute to do
so. Working fine again.

What is the problem? What to do? I'm on vacation and if the whole
thing fails, I don't have equipment to "fix it" or even salvage data
from the HDD.)

Thanks for any help you can offer.


I suggest trying to boot from CD or USB drive.


It has no CD drive, though at home I have a USB CD drive that came
with it (via ebay) but it's not something I'd travel with.

I should have made the USB boot drive, but didn't, but I don't see the
opening messages anyhow. I guess I coudl ask here what Acer uses to
get into Boot Order and the BIOS, and try that key even when nothing
is displayed on the screen. (I'll have to see if the progress bar
for coming out of hibertnation displays. I know it did on my desktop
XP. I know they don't on win10, or Vista and I don't like it. You
can't tell if you're making progress.)

If that works maybe do a chkdsk on the internal hard drive.
A repair reinstall will refresh XP without changing any settings.


Have to wait until I'm home, in 3 weeks.

On my last trip, 9 years ago, for 8 weeks, I broke the entire computer
with about 4 days to go.. I went to someone I barely knew and either
I or he dl'd some repair medium for me, and I think I used that, and
after that, I think it was, I spent literally 2 days running chkdsk
until it was time for the plane to leave, and it still wasnt' done.

When I got home, I got it working, but a few days later, while I was
looking at a file manager, I saw the files start disappearing, 5 or 10
files per second. I had a copy of everything, and I bought another
3" HDD but didn't load it right for booting, and then I decided the
whole thing was old, WinME, upgreaded from 98SE..

How I broke the computer. I bought a bag of pistachios, and ate the
ones I could open. 5 or 10 were not open enough for me to get my
fingernail in, so I put one under the very flat bottom of the Thinkpad
and pressed down. First, the shell is so strong that could never have
worked. Second, the nut went shooting across the room. I heard it
hit the back wall but never found it. The computer worked fine for
the rest of the session, bedcause everything was in RAM, and I should
have never turned it off, but it wouldn't start the next day.
(because as you know, but some of my email recipients might not, the
"tone arm" of the hard drive bounced up and down on the platter,
ruining one or both of them.)

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Old May 7th 17, 12:13 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Micky
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On Fri, 5 May 2017 05:18:19 -0500, philo wrote:

On 05/05/2017 05:06 AM, Micky wrote:
A winXP question, but a serious one, so I'm asking for help from
v10-hotshots too.

My Acer Netbook (about 8 to 10 years old, model not remembered but on
request) has been working fine, except for the usual Firefox too many
tabs problem. This time I closed Windows normally and the next time I
tried to boot it, 10 or 15 minutes went by and nothing showed on the
screen. Nothing on the screen when I started, in the middle, or when
I got tired and turned the computer off.

Turned it off with the power button, and on restart, it did nothing
again, for 10 or 15 minutes. Much of the time the harddrive light was
on steadily. Sometimes it flickered and then went back to steady.



After a bad shut-down Windows will typically run CHKDSK /F. then reboot.

The monitor sometimes will be completely dark when that is happing and
you are only going to make things worse by just shutting things down.

If you turn off the splash screen you may be able to view what's happening


https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-disa...config-2626116


Did as it says, but on one start and one coming out of hibernation,
still didn't see anything until the big bright windows screen just a
couple seconds before the yet to be filled desktop. No opening
statements like Press F10 for BIOS or whatever else is on that page.

But it's working now, so that's good.
 




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