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What free Android emulator do YOU use on Windows for running F-Droid APKs?



 
 
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  #61  
Old January 10th 18, 12:20 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
Ralph Fox
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Default What free Android emulator do YOU use on Windows for running F-Droid APKs?

On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 17:03:17 -0000 (UTC), Joe Scotch wrote:

It seems the quirks are similar between VirtualBox and VMWare.

In VirtualBox, the mouse is so hellish that it's the *major* flaw in the
setup, unless there's a trick to get the mouse to behave.

It takes *dozens* of steps to get past a multiple-click screen, such as the
Android setup screens are. It just does. It defies comprehension, and it
certainly defies an easy description.

The hellish mouse cursor works, but it's quirky as all hell. It will select
the wrong things so many times that it's not funny. You have to hold down
the left mouse button but the range of motion of the cursor is only one
small area on the Android screen - maybe 1/5th or 1/6th of the screen. So
you're constantly moving the mouse and then lifting up and then moving it.

That wouldn't be so bad if the cursor would start the second time where you
put it, but it doesn't. It's only sort of kind of in that spot you last
left it.

That too wouldn't be so bad if a scroll screen didn't occur - but when they
do, you end up constantly scrolling incorrectly, and selection buttons go
on and off because the mouse seems to start pseudo randomly on the screen.

So you move the mouse cursor constantly, where a multi-click screen takes
at least ten times the minimum clicks, and often twenty times that,
depending on the complexity of the screen.

There *must* be a trick to this mouse inside the Android window inside of
VirtualBox on Windows, because it's completely unusable as it stands.

Certainly the VirtualBox mouse additions is not the trick.

Maybe the guest additions ISO will solve it - but I can't get it to
install.



In VMware it is still quite usable without mouse guest additions.
Your experience with VirtualBox sounds far worse than mine with VMware.

In VMware you just have to remember that, without mouse guest additions,
the mouse operates in two different modes:
(1) The mouse is owned by the host.
(2) The mouse is owned by the guest.

If the mouse is owned by the host and you want to click on something
in the guest, it takes two clicks like so

1. You click the _host's_ mouse pointer in the VM client window.
2. Then you move the _guest's_ mouse pointer to the guest thing
you want to click on, ands click.

The Windows (host) mouse pointer is white with a black border, while
the Android (guest) mouse pointer is black with a white border.
So it is easy to see which mouse pointer you are working with.


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  #62  
Old January 10th 18, 07:13 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Wolf K wrote:

No, they (or the proxy server between them and you) has your IP, else
you won't get the movie. And to serve up the movie you're watching, they
must pass one your request, which translates into some ID for that
movie. So....


Just WHERE do you find NewPipe described as a proxy service provider?
Their own description is as a local client that scrapes the web pages
and parses elements out of them. There is no description of a proxy.

https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/
https://f-droid.org/wiki/page/org.schabi.newpipe
"NewPipe only parses the YouTube website in order to gain the
information it needs."

From their description, NewPipe is no different than any other
webcentric client, like a lightweight web browser, but has a special
purpose of parsing the web pages it retrieves from Youtube (rather than
use Google's API - which does NOT mandate tracking or even logging in).
The author has yet to qualify why using the YouTube API is more evil
than his app parsing Youtube's pages (which is unreliable and will fail
when Google changes elements in their pages or the nav between them).

Screen scrapers or web page parses are unreliable. This isn't the first
author that tried this very old scheme (which was primarily used when
the service provide an API or target program did not provide a CLI).
Operation is dependent on the site not changes the critical content of
the documents (web pages) that it delivers. Yeah, like that never
happens at any Google site, uh huh.

NewPipe is just a webcentric frontend app. It is NOT a proxy service.
In fact, only the element parsing of the web page delivered by Youtube
is unique to this app. All thei video functions are borrowed from other
open source projects. It is a *player* that uses document parsing
(rather than use the Youtube API).

https://newpipe.schabi.org/
"without annoying ads"

Never seen any (of THOSE type of "page ads" which are NOT within the
video stream). I use a web browser (Firefox) to visit Youtube. uBlock
Origin is used in Firefox (on my Android phone and in both Firefox and
Google Chrome on my desktop PC) to get rid of page ad content not just
at YouTube but elsewhere, too. Inline/instream ads (part of the video
stream) will NOT be eliminated by NewPipe or any adblocker in a web
browser nor by NewPipe that is merely displaying the video stream that
Youtube found for that client's request.

Where do *you* see that NewPipe is operating a proxy server?
  #63  
Old January 10th 18, 07:16 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default What free Android emulator do YOU use on Windows for running F-Droid APKs?

Joe Scotch wrote:

All that matters to me, from a privacy standpoint, is only what the NewPipe
people get and what Google get by way of my information.


EVERY webcentric program you run results in the other endpoint knowing
your IP address. Even if you use a VPN, the VPN provider knows your IP
address. Your web browser, e-mail client, telnet client, FTP client,
VPN client, and anything else connecting out results in the target
server getting your IP address.

All the NewPipe site can see, and only if you download from their site,
is your IP address when you downloaded their file. Obviously they need
your IP address to know where to deliver the file.

Am I correct that the NewPipe site gets nothing whatsoever


There is no "NewPipe site" regarding your traffic. The site is to only
provide a download of a file (NewPipe). Read the F-Droid and author's
site and even the GitHub repository. You will find NO MENTION of any
proxy service operated by NewPipe. It is just a local client, like any
other player. It parses the web pages delivered by Youtube and then
retrieves the stream that Youtube found. The parsing code is the
author's work in this app. The player components are borrowed from
other open source projects.
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Old January 10th 18, 10:40 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
Char Jackson
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Default What free Android emulator do YOU use on Windows for running F-Droid APKs?

On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:16:53 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

Joe Scotch wrote:

All that matters to me, from a privacy standpoint, is only what the NewPipe
people get and what Google get by way of my information.


EVERY webcentric program you run results in the other endpoint knowing
your IP address. Even if you use a VPN, the VPN provider knows your IP
address. Your web browser, e-mail client, telnet client, FTP client,
VPN client, and anything else connecting out results in the target
server getting your IP address.


I know you know this topic, but I don't think it was written clearly
enough above, which could lead to some confusion. The following is more
or less directed to the OP.

***
Without a VPN or proxy:
The remote endpoint obviously needs to know your IP address so that it
can reply to you.

You send a request directly to the remote endpoint; the remote endpoint
sends a response directly to you.

***
With a VPN or proxy:
The VPN or proxy provider needs to know your IP address, but the remote
endpoint only needs to know the VPN or proxy IP.

You attempt to send a request to a remote endpoint. The request is
intercepted and sent to the VPN or proxy instead. On your behalf, the
VPN or proxy sends a separate request to the remote endpoint. The remote
endpoint responds back to the VPN or proxy, and in turn, the VPN or
proxy responds back to you.

***
I lump VPN and proxy together because when they're used this way, they
are almost identical to each other. If the goal is to remain anonymous
to the remote endpoint, then VPN and proxy are indeed identical, and
that seems to be more and more how people are looking at a VPN. That's
not at all the traditional use or purpose of a VPN, but it's becoming a
popular new use case in recent years.


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Old January 11th 18, 12:27 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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Default What free Android emulator do YOU use on Windows for runningF-Droid APKs?

On 10/01/2018 21:40, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:16:53 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

Joe Scotch wrote:

All that matters to me, from a privacy standpoint, is only what the NewPipe
people get and what Google get by way of my information.


EVERY webcentric program you run results in the other endpoint knowing
your IP address. Even if you use a VPN, the VPN provider knows your IP
address. Your web browser, e-mail client, telnet client, FTP client,
VPN client, and anything else connecting out results in the target
server getting your IP address.


I know you know this topic, but I don't think it was written clearly
enough above, which could lead to some confusion. The following is more
or less directed to the OP.

***
Without a VPN or proxy:
The remote endpoint obviously needs to know your IP address so that it
can reply to you.

You send a request directly to the remote endpoint; the remote endpoint
sends a response directly to you.

***
With a VPN or proxy:
The VPN or proxy provider needs to know your IP address, but the remote
endpoint only needs to know the VPN or proxy IP.

You attempt to send a request to a remote endpoint. The request is
intercepted and sent to the VPN or proxy instead. On your behalf, the
VPN or proxy sends a separate request to the remote endpoint. The remote
endpoint responds back to the VPN or proxy, and in turn, the VPN or
proxy responds back to you.

***
I lump VPN and proxy together because when they're used this way, they
are almost identical to each other. If the goal is to remain anonymous
to the remote endpoint, then VPN and proxy are indeed identical, and
that seems to be more and more how people are looking at a VPN. That's
not at all the traditional use or purpose of a VPN, but it's becoming a
popular new use case in recent years.



That is *EXACTLY* as *I* see it! :-)

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Old January 12th 18, 05:08 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
Diesel
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Default What free Android emulator do YOU use on Windows for running F-Droid APKs?

"David B."
Wed, 10 Jan 2018 23:27:18 GMT in
alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

On 10/01/2018 21:40, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:16:53 -0600, VanguardLH
wrote:

Joe Scotch wrote:

All that matters to me, from a privacy standpoint, is only what
the NewPipe people get and what Google get by way of my
information.

EVERY webcentric program you run results in the other endpoint
knowing your IP address. Even if you use a VPN, the VPN
provider knows your IP address. Your web browser, e-mail
client, telnet client, FTP client, VPN client, and anything else
connecting out results in the target server getting your IP
address.


I know you know this topic, but I don't think it was written
clearly enough above, which could lead to some confusion. The
following is more or less directed to the OP.

***
Without a VPN or proxy:
The remote endpoint obviously needs to know your IP address so
that it can reply to you.

You send a request directly to the remote endpoint; the remote
endpoint sends a response directly to you.

***
With a VPN or proxy:
The VPN or proxy provider needs to know your IP address, but the
remote endpoint only needs to know the VPN or proxy IP.

You attempt to send a request to a remote endpoint. The request
is intercepted and sent to the VPN or proxy instead. On your
behalf, the VPN or proxy sends a separate request to the remote
endpoint. The remote endpoint responds back to the VPN or proxy,
and in turn, the VPN or proxy responds back to you.

***
I lump VPN and proxy together because when they're used this way,
they are almost identical to each other. If the goal is to remain
anonymous to the remote endpoint, then VPN and proxy are indeed
identical, and that seems to be more and more how people are
looking at a VPN. That's not at all the traditional use or
purpose of a VPN, but it's becoming a popular new use case in
recent years.



That is *EXACTLY* as *I* see it! :-)


What exactly do you see? In your own words, if you can.
I sniff an effort to hijack a thread... But, I'll humour you if you
can answer my question.


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