Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.

Mayayana wrote:


If you decide to try installing 7 on a "modern"
system you might look at things like this:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11182...-windows-7-x64

Apparently it's possible but a hassle. I'm guessing
Paul might stop by soon to explain that better.

With an article title like that, how could I do better ? :-)

That's the kind of article I would run off and look for.

Paul

On 15/01/2018 21:05, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-01-15 14:24, Maurice wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:10:21 -0500, Big Al wrote:

I've seen referbs on Newegg that are Win7.

Â*Â* Yes, seen some like that, but I'm really nervous about refurbs...

A good source for refurbs is a local computer-maintenance shop, who will
have off-lease machines from the businesses they serve. They will not
refurb a machine unless it's in good physical shape. A lot of businesses
have a two- to three-year replacement cycle, so you should be able to
get a refurb with W7 or 8 on it.

Like Phil Edmonson says about used cars: the best source is the dealer,
since they only keep the best trade-ins for their used-car lot.

Good luck,



I agree with Wolf K about the computer-maintenance shops. Ideal source
for tried and tested used machines.

Another good source "can be" a local market if it has a resident
computer stall. (Don't what ever you do use a casual stall. Ask adjacent
traders for their opinions.). Usually run by geeks, they can often get
hold of good quality used machines, and re-install any operating system
to your requirements together with trying and testing before passing it on.

jim

On 01/15/2018 6:22 PM, jbm wrote:
On 15/01/2018 21:05, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-01-15 14:24, Maurice wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:10:21 -0500, Big Al wrote:

I've seen referbs on Newegg that are Win7.

Â*Â* Yes, seen some like that, but I'm really nervous about refurbs...

A good source for refurbs is a local computer-maintenance shop, who
will have off-lease machines from the businesses they serve. They will
not refurb a machine unless it's in good physical shape. A lot of
businesses have a two- to three-year replacement cycle, so you should
be able to get a refurb with W7 or 8 on it.

Like Phil Edmonson says about used cars: the best source is the
dealer, since they only keep the best trade-ins for their used-car lot.

Good luck,



I agree with Wolf K about the computer-maintenance shops. Ideal source
for tried and tested used machines.

Another good source "can be" a local market if it has a resident
computer stall. (Don't what ever you do use a casual stall. Ask adjacent
traders for their opinions.). Usually run by geeks, they can often get
hold of good quality used machines, and re-install any operating system
to your requirements together with trying and testing before passing it on.

jim


Why in hell would he need another outdated junker, He's got one already
that he wants to replace.

Rene

On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 11:55:20 -0700, KenW wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 18:35:07 -0000 (UTC), Maurice
wrote:

Wanting to replace my 8-year-old desktop with one that also has W7
installed, but difficult to find.
The UK PC supplier from whom I bought the current one has replied:

"No modern CPUs support anything other than windows 10 and, thus, you
will find a huge range of either glitches, crashes or simple failures to
install the OS.
Your best option would be to maybe save money and go through a third
party for a cheap windows 10 key. Unfortunately no new, modern system
would work on windows 7; regardless of manufacturer."

Anyone in UK know of availability of a 'modern' PC that has (or can
have)
W7 installed?

Nothing wrong with Win 10. It can be tamed. Nothing but BS hype about
it.


KenW

Ken, I don't use win10, I tried it but reverted to 7 over some issue I
forget. I now run a dual system with linux mint and win7 (for macrium
image backup only).
However, I do help out with others in my community. The other day someone
was having a strange problem with 10 and I suggested a cold restart. This
we did and after the 1/2 hour or so we had to wait for the system to come
up all was fine. Win10 was kind enough to tell us to wait while it
installed updates and if people like yourself are happy living with that
ok, but I'm not.
Win10 seems to run well enough, but then so does my old win7 laptop.
I would add that this wasn't the first time I had to wait while win10
updated and suspect the reason I was helping the people with a win10
problem was because they never waited for updates to complete.

On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 21:44:21 +0000, Good Guy wrote:

Which one?

PC Specialist

Try Novatech:

https://www.novatech.co.uk/pc/home/

I know of them and have sent an email enquiry.
The $64 question is: Can they supply one with W7 installed?!

What I want to avoid is having to move over to W8 or W10 and then have
to therefore obtain a newer version of the video editor (Pinnacle
Studio) - with which I am familiar and want to avoid starting all
over again with a different version.
That's why I need a Windows 7 PC...

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On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:12:06 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

you can get them from Dell. See http://pilot.search.dell.com/windows%207

Ah, yes, I can see some W7 desktops there, but when I look at their
UK web site there is no such thing (part from W7 general support).

Mmm...

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On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 20:17:58 +0100, DAN wrote:

Keep your legacy on win7, and take the time to discover win10 at your
leisure.

But that assumes W7 will install/work on new PC.

I've already met W10 on my HP probook, and cannot get on with it.

But the reason I want to stay with W7 is so I don't have to change
video editor and start all over again with a steep video-editing
learning curve. I may not have all that much time left...

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On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 18:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Maurice
wrote:


On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 21:44:21 +0000, Good Guy wrote:


Which one?


PC Specialist


Try Novatech:

https://www.novatech.co.uk/pc/home/


I know of them and have sent an email enquiry.
The $64 question is: Can they supply one with W7 installed?!

What I want to avoid is having to move over to W8 or W10 and then have
to therefore obtain a newer version of the video editor (Pinnacle
Studio) - with which I am familiar and want to avoid starting all
over again with a different version.
That's why I need a Windows 7 PC...




What version of Pinnacle Studio do you have? You may be able to run it
under Windows 10 in compatibility mode.

On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:28:55 -0500, Big Al wrote:

That $500+ link is not a referb.

OK - will take a look. ThankS!
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 15:31:46 -0600, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I have to agree with Ken, Buy yourself a nice new system with Windows 10
From a different supplier than previous.
You'll have full warranty and an up todate system, And when you learn to
use and Optimize it You will be happy for a long term, Win 7 is OK but
outdated

It's still supported until January 2020. I wouldn't install it on a new
system, but I wouldn't call it "outdated" either. It does what I want,
every day...

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On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 18:35:07 -0000 (UTC), Maurice
wrote:

Wanting to replace my 8-year-old desktop with one that also has W7
installed, but difficult to find.
The UK PC supplier from whom I bought the current one has replied:

"No modern CPUs support anything other than windows 10 and, thus, you
will find a huge range of either glitches, crashes or simple failures to
install the OS.
Your best option would be to maybe save money and go through a third
party for a cheap windows 10 key. Unfortunately no new, modern system
would work on windows 7; regardless of manufacturer."

Anyone in UK know of availability of a 'modern' PC that has (or can have)
W7 installed?

try a UK surplus store
www.morgancomputers.co.uk

Plenty of refurb PCs and laptops here, many with Win7.

They seem to mainly come from end of lease or end of line stock.

The Lenovo laptops we use at work seem to have been chosen to survive
our workforce carrying them everywhere and support a 4G SIM card.

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Dave wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 11:55:20 -0700, KenW wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 18:35:07 -0000 (UTC), Maurice
wrote:

Wanting to replace my 8-year-old desktop with one that also has W7
installed, but difficult to find.
The UK PC supplier from whom I bought the current one has replied:

"No modern CPUs support anything other than windows 10 and, thus, you
will find a huge range of either glitches, crashes or simple failures to
install the OS.
Your best option would be to maybe save money and go through a third
party for a cheap windows 10 key. Unfortunately no new, modern system
would work on windows 7; regardless of manufacturer."

Anyone in UK know of availability of a 'modern' PC that has (or can
have)
W7 installed?
Nothing wrong with Win 10. It can be tamed. Nothing but BS hype about
it.


KenW

Ken, I don't use win10, I tried it but reverted to 7 over some issue I
forget. I now run a dual system with linux mint and win7 (for macrium
image backup only).
However, I do help out with others in my community. The other day someone
was having a strange problem with 10 and I suggested a cold restart. This
we did and after the 1/2 hour or so we had to wait for the system to come
up all was fine. Win10 was kind enough to tell us to wait while it
installed updates and if people like yourself are happy living with that
ok, but I'm not.
Win10 seems to run well enough, but then so does my old win7 laptop.
I would add that this wasn't the first time I had to wait while win10
updated and suspect the reason I was helping the people with a win10
problem was because they never waited for updates to complete.

On a few updates, there seems to be an interaction between
the act of putting the files into the Windows 10 folder, and
the behavior of the desktop.

The end result is, Windows 10 desktop, menus stop working,
clicking on icons isn't launching stuff, and so on. Which
I always interpret as Microsoft saying "hey, we *really* need
you to reboot now, won't you reboot for us ? Pretty please ?
Or you'll get it in the kneecaps".

After a reboot, the menu problems disappear.

Not all updates do that. Only a few. And some users would
probably panic and hit the power button out of frustration,
which is an unhelpful response in this situation. Try to
use alt-f4 to get to the restart menu, if all else fails.
Click the desktop surface, press alt-f4, and you can get
to reboot if you want. Even Task Manager is an App, so it
won't necessarily be there when you need it.

I have experimented with both HDD and SSD storage devices,
and the "Windows 10 experience" is more tolerable with
an SSD. So if your community is shopping for storage,
it's a tiny SSD for Windows 10 (60GB is plenty), and
the other drive can be an HDD to store your movie
collection. Using an SSD just for the Windows folder,
ensures fast Windows Defender scans, and fast PendMove
activity on updates.

A giant processor helps a bit, but isn't the killer purchase
you'd think it would be.

A single core CPU is pretty slow. My laptop has that.

A dual core CPU is pretty well a minimum.

If someone is searching for new kit, I'd recommend a quad
core CPU, simply because this trend is headed in the
wrong direction. If you don't need a quad today, Firefox
will need it tomorrow.

Windows maintenance activity tends to cap itself at "half
your CPU complex resources". If you're waiting for Windows
Defender to finish scanning, in theory it could have
been running twice as fast, if it used all the cores.
There's no metric in there to notice the user is no
longer standing in front of the computer, and so the
throttle could be moved to the 100% level. They only
move to the 50% level, even if the user has left the
room. This annoyance (until I can figure out a way to
fix it) means that having a larger processor than necessary,
helps, but not as much as it couldm given a different
"back-off" design.

If the users set their machines to sleep after two hours
of inactivity, it's possible that Windows can automatically
reboot after an update. I've seen my test machine wake
up at night, just for the purpose of rebooting and
doing 20 minutes of wheel spin, then go back to sleep.
So that's another possibility you can experiment with,
as a community leader. I don't normally run the Win10
machine that way, but did get caught by surprise once,
so that's an avenue to explore. If the machine has
permission to screw around on its own, and you set
the "usage hours" panel, you just might get lucky.
I don't have the patience it would take, and days
of testing, to get that working properly. And it's
unclear how you'd do that safely on a laptop, as
you don't want a laptop waking up in somebodies
backpack and doing 20 minutes of "backpack heating".

Paul

On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 16:17:23 -0000 (UTC), Dave
wrote in

Wanting to replace my 8-year-old desktop with one that also has W7
installed, but difficult to find.

Take a look at Dell Refurbished. I've been using one for two years.
They are great. Here's are a bunch that come with Win7 installed.

https://www.dellrefurbished.com/desk...ing_system=214

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On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 18:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Maurice
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 21:44:21 +0000, Good Guy wrote:

Which one?

PC Specialist

Try Novatech:

https://www.novatech.co.uk/pc/home/

I know of them and have sent an email enquiry.
The $64 question is: Can they supply one with W7 installed?!

What I want to avoid is having to move over to W8 or W10 and then have
to therefore obtain a newer version of the video editor (Pinnacle
Studio) - with which I am familiar and want to avoid starting all
over again with a different version.
That's why I need a Windows 7 PC...

I encourage you to also consider running a 'virtual machine' (VM). The
VM can run Win 7 while the host can run Win8 or *cough* Win10.
It's not as daunting as it may seem, but you'd need a license for the
Win7 VM.

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On 16/01/2018 20:19, Stephen wrote:

Plenty of refurb PCs and laptops here, many with Win7.


So your advice is to buy another clunker to avoid using Windows 10? Are
you off your meds?





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